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HBO's Game of Thrones will spoil upcoming books

03.23.2015

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This was bound to happen sooner or later, but with HBO churning out a season of Game of Thrones once per year, George R.R. Martin won't be able to finish the last two books in his Song of Ice and Fire series in time. People were wondering how HBO would proceed with filming beyond what's been written and if you thought they would sit on their hands until Martin delivered more books, guess again! Speaking to the Oxford Union this past weekend, show writer David Benioff revealed what he and Dan Weiss have planned for when the show reaches that moment.

David Benioff on what will happen when the show outpaces the books:

Luckily, we’ve been talking about this with George for a long time, ever since we saw this could happen, and we know where things are heading. And so we’ll eventually, basically, meet up at pretty much the same place where George is going; there might be a few deviations along the route, but we’re heading towards the same destination. I kind of wish that there were some things we didn’t have to spoil, but we’re kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place. The show must go on. . .and that’s what we’re going to do.

Benioff on why fans would want to finish the books after seeing the show:

I think the thing that’s kind of fun for George is the idea that he can still have surprises for people even once they’ve watched the show through to the conclusion. There are certain things that are going to happen in the books that are different in the show, and I think people who love the show and want more—want to know more about the characters, want to know more about the different characters who might not have made the cut for the show—will be able to turn to the books.

HBO's fifth season of Game of Thrones starts airing on April 12th, and it looks like it will more or less wrap up the plot points from books 4 and 5. There's still ample time for Martin to finish writing Book 6, "The Winds of Winter", before season 6 shows up NEXT year, but when it comes to book 7, it looks like HBO is going to beat the book by a wide margin. Weiss and Benioff are doing a hell of a job with Thrones so far, although I am admittedly a little uneasy about them writing a season without a book to work off of. Thankfully they're in pretty close with Martin so it looks like they'll share enough material to make sure we're not missing out on anything.

Season 5 of Game of Thrones will air on HBO on April 12, 2015.

Source: Vanity Fair

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7:01AM on 03/24/2015

If you thought GRRM was working slow BEFORE...

...just wait until you see how little he'll care after everyone already knows the plot of his upcoming work. Dimes to dollars says he never finishes now.
...just wait until you see how little he'll care after everyone already knows the plot of his upcoming work. Dimes to dollars says he never finishes now.
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9:52PM on 03/23/2015
Jon snow dies in Dance of dragons. Juss sayin
Jon snow dies in Dance of dragons. Juss sayin
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9:53PM on 03/23/2015
Ah that is not confirmed by the way, and dick move, by the way.
Ah that is not confirmed by the way, and dick move, by the way.
4:45AM on 03/24/2015
You know nothing, Urban Lenny.
You know nothing, Urban Lenny.
9:42PM on 03/23/2015
Knew this was going to happen, just from seeing the previews for the upcoming season. They are merging plot lines and characters, homogenizing the story. Don't get me wrong I really don't see it happening any other way as George seems to be suffering from the Robert Jordan disease of moving onto other projects before his main one is done. And of course he is not a young man, so hopefully he doesn't kick it before he is done, as I really want to read his version, it will be soooooo much better
Knew this was going to happen, just from seeing the previews for the upcoming season. They are merging plot lines and characters, homogenizing the story. Don't get me wrong I really don't see it happening any other way as George seems to be suffering from the Robert Jordan disease of moving onto other projects before his main one is done. And of course he is not a young man, so hopefully he doesn't kick it before he is done, as I really want to read his version, it will be soooooo much better than what the TV writers come up with.

I have to say I am kind of on the fence about watching as I am not really excited about getting the plot spoiled. Sure Georges story will be much richer but still knowing the outcome (thru TV) kind of makes it less enjoyable (when reading).
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8:30PM on 03/23/2015
I'm okay with this. The alternatives would be to either pause the show so George R.R. Martin can finish writing, or stretch out the show into several seasons per book. If they pause, Maisie Williams will be too old to play Arya by the time they start up again (unless they plan to kill her character off), and it would suck to make everyone wait. If they stretch it out, the show would become long and boring, and it's important to keep the pacing tight. This is the only way to finish the show
I'm okay with this. The alternatives would be to either pause the show so George R.R. Martin can finish writing, or stretch out the show into several seasons per book. If they pause, Maisie Williams will be too old to play Arya by the time they start up again (unless they plan to kill her character off), and it would suck to make everyone wait. If they stretch it out, the show would become long and boring, and it's important to keep the pacing tight. This is the only way to finish the show that makes sense. They should just make a good show with a good ending, and let Martin do his own thing, whenever he gets around to it.
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4:54PM on 03/23/2015

Sounds weird...

Has it really been said that they more or less will do book 4 and 5 in this season? Like people have said in their comments before: Sounds weird.
Book 3: 960 pages = two seasons
Book 4 & 5: Together 1846 pages = one season?
The math just doesn't add up even though book 3 probably was the best and most exciting book and, especially, book 4 introduced a couple of new persons who they will be able to cut from the show. And, if I remember correctly, the show has gone further with some
Has it really been said that they more or less will do book 4 and 5 in this season? Like people have said in their comments before: Sounds weird.
Book 3: 960 pages = two seasons
Book 4 & 5: Together 1846 pages = one season?
The math just doesn't add up even though book 3 probably was the best and most exciting book and, especially, book 4 introduced a couple of new persons who they will be able to cut from the show. And, if I remember correctly, the show has gone further with some storylines from book three but at the same time haven't finished some storylines from book 3 with others. So there is more or less two whole (and loong) books to take from.

Having said that, I do understand that they can't wait for Martin to finish the books. Just thought they had at least two seasons left before they would be ahead (and that Martin hopefully would have been able to finish at least the next bookfor that)
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9:46PM on 03/23/2015
Well book 4 was really light on anything but political intrigue and with the addition of the High Sparrow to this season they are going to cram it all in it appears. It's just kind of a shame that so much good stuff is going to be missed by the people that haven't read the books.
Well book 4 was really light on anything but political intrigue and with the addition of the High Sparrow to this season they are going to cram it all in it appears. It's just kind of a shame that so much good stuff is going to be missed by the people that haven't read the books.
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4:19PM on 03/23/2015
50 bucks says Martin will never finish the books.
50 bucks says Martin will never finish the books.
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4:42PM on 03/23/2015
He'll finish the books, but not before some of his readers have died of natural causes.
He'll finish the books, but not before some of his readers have died of natural causes.
3:45PM on 03/23/2015
Yeah, I'm amazed there's been no word on them splitting book 5 into two seasons. That book was so friggin' long, I just can't see how they'll be able to fit it all into 10 episodes. Especially with some of book 4 still left to tell.
Yeah, I'm amazed there's been no word on them splitting book 5 into two seasons. That book was so friggin' long, I just can't see how they'll be able to fit it all into 10 episodes. Especially with some of book 4 still left to tell.
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3:11PM on 03/23/2015
I'm a little surprised that the show will be able to wrap up what's left of Book 4 and do all of Book 5 in one season. From what I remember, Book 5 was the longest book of the series and carries a lot of storylines forward while also introducing some new storylines that play a big part moving forward. Seems to me like they would have needed to split up Book 5 into two seasons like they did with Book 3, but I guess not.

Anyhoo, if/when the show surpasses the books, that's it I'm done.
I'm a little surprised that the show will be able to wrap up what's left of Book 4 and do all of Book 5 in one season. From what I remember, Book 5 was the longest book of the series and carries a lot of storylines forward while also introducing some new storylines that play a big part moving forward. Seems to me like they would have needed to split up Book 5 into two seasons like they did with Book 3, but I guess not.

Anyhoo, if/when the show surpasses the books, that's it I'm done. Martin isn't getting any more of my money. Guy takes way too long to get these books finished that I'm not going to support his ass anymore. The show is good on it's own merits and have stayed pretty true to the books so far. I can only assume that Season 6 will envision Book 6 fairly accurate. Martin needs to get his shit together!
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2:43PM on 03/23/2015

Stretching it out

If they were able to make two seasons out of the last book, why don't they stretch the most recent two books into four seasons?

Boom problem solved. Gimme my cut.
If they were able to make two seasons out of the last book, why don't they stretch the most recent two books into four seasons?

Boom problem solved. Gimme my cut.
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2:39PM on 03/23/2015

How will they write a show...

Without the books to go off of? They already lift huge chunks of dialogue from the books as is. But I guess they are that there are storylines that Martin has introduced (The Citadel of the Maesters, for example) that have not been introduced in the TV series that we do get to finish up in the books.
Without the books to go off of? They already lift huge chunks of dialogue from the books as is. But I guess they are that there are storylines that Martin has introduced (The Citadel of the Maesters, for example) that have not been introduced in the TV series that we do get to finish up in the books.
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3:06PM on 03/23/2015
You are aware George is a cell phone call away for these guys, right? he even has written scripts.
You are aware George is a cell phone call away for these guys, right? he even has written scripts.
4:59PM on 03/23/2015
I'm aware. But he skipped his script writing duties last season to finish the next book and will likely be doing the same this season. The most refreshing dialogue I've heard in the series outside the book was Tywin's confrontation with Joffrey on the Iron Throne, and Martin wrote that. Anyway, I still have my doubts these guys can deliver as well without a concise road map from Martin, considering how consistent they've been about following Martin's every move so far.
I'm aware. But he skipped his script writing duties last season to finish the next book and will likely be doing the same this season. The most refreshing dialogue I've heard in the series outside the book was Tywin's confrontation with Joffrey on the Iron Throne, and Martin wrote that. Anyway, I still have my doubts these guys can deliver as well without a concise road map from Martin, considering how consistent they've been about following Martin's every move so far.
2:08PM on 03/23/2015

Can someone just lock him up for 6 months with a healthy diet and plenty of vitamins.

And demand he finish book 6 and take a chunk out of book 7.
And demand he finish book 6 and take a chunk out of book 7.
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