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Face-Off: Batman Begins vs. Man of Steel

Aug. 22, 2013by: Indiana Sev
Last week's face-off featured an intense battle between Harrison Get off my plane! Ford and Gary Then you die the three of you! Oldman which I called a tie. You guys struck back with your thoughts and the result was Dr. Jones barely edging out Dracula by a vote or two.

The rest of the month of August has left me uninspired for Face-Off ideas and with the announcement of the BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN movie I wanted to dive into the DC movie universe this week and pit BATMAN BEGINS vs. MAN OF STEEL. Both movies marked the beginning of a new reboot with their respective superheroes and now its time to decide which film is just flat out better. Its important to note that BATMAN BEGINS has been part of two previous Face-Offs, the first vs. BATMAN and the second vs. THE DARK KNIGHT. The Bat in Black is back again and up against the alien son of both Kevin Costner and Russell Crowe so it might not be so easy.
Box Office
There are a total of three Batmovies that made more money in the U.S. than Christopher Nolans first foray into Gotham City (luckily none of those films were directed by Batmans biggest foe: Joel Schumacher). Although BATMAN BEGINS total of $206 million (#127 all-time) is nothing to sneeze at, its following two sequels easily doubled what it made and both broke the billion dollar mark worldwide. Maybe if it had added Egghead to its cast of villains that may have made all the difference but as it stands BATMAN BEGINS has its hands full as it goes head-to-head in the box office category against MAN OF STEEL.
MAN OF STEEL currently sits at #57 on the all-time biggest moneymaking films with earnings of $289 million and climbing. These totals crush 2006s SUPERMAN RETURNS earnings which peaked at $200 million. This also makes it the most successful Superman movie of all-time, financially-speaking. Its success worldwide is being felt as well as it sits at #69 all-time with totals of $648 million so far. Having accomplished all this without having Richard Pryor in the cast is pretty impressive and although these totals are laughable compared to what THE DARK KNIGHT and THE DARK KNIGHT RISES earned, it is more than enough to swat BATMAN BEGINS in this category.
Cast & Crew
Acting Gods Michael Caine, Gary Oldman and Morgan Freeman would normally be enough to win this battle against most movies but BATMAN BEGINS spoils us further with Christian Bale, Liam Neeson, Cillian Murphy and Tom Wilkinson. Rounding out this dream cast are Ken Watanabe, Rutger Hauer and Katie Holmes. I dont even want to start counting the Oscar nominations and wins in this entire group. Finally, Christopher Nolan was responsible for directing and co-writing this epic new beginning of the Batman legend. With a cast and crew as experienced and international as this, its no wonder the acting was flawless, the direction was crisp and the writing was fresh and meaningful.
MAN OF STEEL scored some big points for having Kevin Costner in its cast. Ive always thought he was an underrated actor and I was pleased to see him grace the screen in a meaningful role again. Russell Crowe and Laurence Dont call me Larry Fishburne add some more legitimacy to the production and Diane Lane, Amy Adams and the perfectly cast Michael Shannon round out the group. Henry Cavill did a solid job as Supes but hes no Christian Bale, on this planet or any other. In this instance, Zach Snyder and Christopher Nolan kind of cancel each other out and it was the same screenwriters for both movies so thats a draw as well. In the end, the cast of MAN OF STEEL didnt stand a chance with what BATMAN BEGINS served up so Superman gets his steel ass handed to him in this category.
Quotes
1) Thomas Wayne: "And why do we fall, Bruce? So we can learn to pick ourselves up."

2) Bruce Wayne: "Gotham isn't beyond saving."

3) Henri Ducard: "Your compassion is a weakness your enemies will not share."

Bruce Wayne: "That's why it's so important. It separates us from them."

4) Jim Gordon: "I never said thank you."

Batman: "And you'll never have to."

Wow. Am I the only one who rewinds that exchange between Gordon and Batman every time I watch the movie? Lets face it, the script to BATMAN BEGINS is as close to being perfect as you can get and the quotes above are just a few reasons why this is more than just another superhero flick. Now lets see what that kid from Krypton has to say about this...
1) Jonathan Kent: "You just have to decide what kind of man you want to grow up to be, Clark. Whoever that man is, he's going to change the world."

2) Jor-El: "Goodbye, my son. Our hopes and dreams travel with you."

Lara Lor-Van: "He will be an outcast. They'll kill him."

Jor-El: "How? He'll be a God to them."

3) Martha Kent: [about Jonathan Kent] "He always knew you were meant for great things."

Clark Kent: "I just wish he could have seen it."

Martha Kent: "He saw it coming..."

4) Superman: "Krypton had its chance!"

Although MAN OF STEEL has its fair share of memorable and poignant quotes, they just dont seem to compare to the lines in BATMAN BEGINS, which seem to stay with you long after youve watched the film and have the same effect on you on subsequent viewings. This was the closest race yet but the Dark Knight manages to once again edge out Superman in another category.
Villains
Superhero movies need good villains or they can just fizzle right out of the gate. The filmmakers decided to save Batmans greatest foe, the Joker, for THE DARK KNIGHT but still delivered with a diverse trio of interesting and threatening criminals.

Scarecrow (Dr. Jonathan Crane), mobster Carmine Falcone and the mysterious Ras Al Ghul made life very difficult for Batman/Bruce Wayne as he began to experience just how brutal and scary the city of Gotham really is. Of course a villain is only as good as the actor portraying him and Cillian Murphy (Scarecrow), Tom Wilkinson (Falcone) and Liam Neeson (Al Ghul) portrayed these famous foes so realistically that we forgot for a moment that they were born within the pages of a comic book. If all that werent enough, Rutger Hauer plays a pretty good asshole in this too.
MAN OF STEEL decided to skip the most well-known foe of Supermans (Lex Luthor) and went with General Zod who was deliciously played in SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE and SUPERMAN II by the great Terence Stamp. Michael Shannon stepped up to the plate and did a formidable job at playing this interstellar prick that possesses powers that match-up pretty evenly to Supermans. Unfortunately Zod is the only real threat in this movie and nowhere near as fascinating and multi-dimensional as the numerous villains in BATMAN BEGINS. I suppose a Gene Hackman cameo as Lex Luthor's dad might have helped a little but the verdict is in and Superman loses this category by a pretty wide margin.
Batman Begins
Holy blowout, Batman, I guess this was pretty easy! The only thing MAN OF STEEL seems to have over its challenger are the dollars it earned. BATMAN BEGINS was much better received critically and in my opinion is better suited for repeated viewings than MAN OF STEEL. Add to that a stronger and tighter script, less CGI, no gimmicky 3D option and a better cast and you have a face-off that is pretty one-sided. If this trend continues, Batman wont even need any kryptonite to clean Supermans clock in BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN.

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7:07AM on 08/23/2013
The only thing that 'Man of Steel' has over 'Batman Begins' is the lack of a stupid-sounding title. Other than that, 'Batman Begins' pounds 'Man of Steel' all across Metropolis before snapping its neck.
The only thing that 'Man of Steel' has over 'Batman Begins' is the lack of a stupid-sounding title. Other than that, 'Batman Begins' pounds 'Man of Steel' all across Metropolis before snapping its neck.
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2:09AM on 08/23/2013

Batman Begins

Fairly easy call here. I mean, BB had its problems too, but against MoS this is not even a contest.
Fairly easy call here. I mean, BB had its problems too, but against MoS this is not even a contest.
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1:26AM on 08/23/2013

Yep...

Batman Begins > Man Of Steel and it's really not that close.
Batman Begins > Man Of Steel and it's really not that close.
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12:21AM on 08/23/2013
I'm I the only person in this world that thought Man of Steel was awesome? I guess so. I liked it better than Batman Begins. I thought the action was better and I was more entertained by it...IMO. Proceed to thumb me down.
I'm I the only person in this world that thought Man of Steel was awesome? I guess so. I liked it better than Batman Begins. I thought the action was better and I was more entertained by it...IMO. Proceed to thumb me down.
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9:36PM on 08/25/2013
I really enjoyed Man of Steel, doesn't seem to be many of us, but I def thought Batman Begins was better.
I really enjoyed Man of Steel, doesn't seem to be many of us, but I def thought Batman Begins was better.
10:38PM on 08/22/2013
Batman Begins is my favorite comic book movie, so I'm glad to see it win. I think instead of box office (which doesn't mean much with 8 years and 3D prices between the 2 films), you should have used another category, like Love Story. Say what you will about Holmes, but I liked the way Nolan developed Rachel, a childhood friend of Bruce who also grows up to fight corruption in Gotham in her own way. Whereas with Man of Steel the love story seemed one of the weaker parts of the movie, with Lois
Batman Begins is my favorite comic book movie, so I'm glad to see it win. I think instead of box office (which doesn't mean much with 8 years and 3D prices between the 2 films), you should have used another category, like Love Story. Say what you will about Holmes, but I liked the way Nolan developed Rachel, a childhood friend of Bruce who also grows up to fight corruption in Gotham in her own way. Whereas with Man of Steel the love story seemed one of the weaker parts of the movie, with Lois and Clark getting involved only b/c everyone knows they do already.
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10:15PM on 08/22/2013

Batman Begins, No Doubt.

I consider Batman Begins to be the best of Nolan's trilogy. TDK and TDKR are awesome movies and The Joker was arguably the best performance I've seen from anyone who isn't Daniel Day Lewis, but to me Batman Begins is the definitive Batman movie. Loved Man Of Steel as well, but Begins is just the better of the two, without a doubt.
I consider Batman Begins to be the best of Nolan's trilogy. TDK and TDKR are awesome movies and The Joker was arguably the best performance I've seen from anyone who isn't Daniel Day Lewis, but to me Batman Begins is the definitive Batman movie. Loved Man Of Steel as well, but Begins is just the better of the two, without a doubt.
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9:38PM on 08/22/2013

Definitely Batman Begins

I didn't want Batman Begins to end. I couldn't wait for Man of Steel to end.
I didn't want Batman Begins to end. I couldn't wait for Man of Steel to end.
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9:17PM on 08/22/2013
Batman Begins is my favorite movie of all time, and the main reason is because of the script. No plot holes, everything fits together perfectly. That's hard to do in any movie, let alone a superhero movie.
Batman Begins is my favorite movie of all time, and the main reason is because of the script. No plot holes, everything fits together perfectly. That's hard to do in any movie, let alone a superhero movie.
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8:24PM on 08/22/2013
Man of Steel was solid as far as superhero movies go and one of the better origin stories but let's not kid ourselves, this can't even compete with Batman Begins.
Man of Steel was solid as far as superhero movies go and one of the better origin stories but let's not kid ourselves, this can't even compete with Batman Begins.
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8:02PM on 08/22/2013

Box office figures are misleading.

Adjusted for inflation the Reeve Superman movie beats out Man of Steel. Some of the stuff you're debating is subjective (better cast, better villain, whatever) -- but in purely factual terms, Batman Begins had stronger weekly holds, it earned better reviews, and it was extremely well-received (not as much controversy amongst fanboys about Batman killing someone, although in that film there was a bit of that with the "I don't have to save you" scene). Batman Begins wins by a large margin.
Adjusted for inflation the Reeve Superman movie beats out Man of Steel. Some of the stuff you're debating is subjective (better cast, better villain, whatever) -- but in purely factual terms, Batman Begins had stronger weekly holds, it earned better reviews, and it was extremely well-received (not as much controversy amongst fanboys about Batman killing someone, although in that film there was a bit of that with the "I don't have to save you" scene). Batman Begins wins by a large margin.
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7:50PM on 08/22/2013

MOS > BB

Begins was fairly boring. Yes it had a great cast, but it didn't strike me enough to care to see it again after I saw it in the theater. The only one of Nolan's films I would call GREAT is Dark Knight. That film was paced very well and of course had an amazing performance in it. Otherwise, it was not great in other respects. Anyway, MoS was far superior to Begins IMO.
Begins was fairly boring. Yes it had a great cast, but it didn't strike me enough to care to see it again after I saw it in the theater. The only one of Nolan's films I would call GREAT is Dark Knight. That film was paced very well and of course had an amazing performance in it. Otherwise, it was not great in other respects. Anyway, MoS was far superior to Begins IMO.
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7:02PM on 08/22/2013

Batman Begins

"It's not who I am underneath...but what I do that defines me."

Easily my favorite origin film. Not for nothing, Man of Steel is a good movie but it doesn't compare to Batman Begins IMO.
"It's not who I am underneath...but what I do that defines me."

Easily my favorite origin film. Not for nothing, Man of Steel is a good movie but it doesn't compare to Batman Begins IMO.
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6:26PM on 08/22/2013
There is no contest. Batman Begins by a mile.
There is no contest. Batman Begins by a mile.
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6:23PM on 08/22/2013
For me Batman Begins is the best of Nolan's three movies. I missed it at the cinema (no one to go with) so waited for the DVD - as hard as it might be to believe, I read very little about it at the time and watched it with no expectations whatsoever. The film blew me away - I loved it - the lines delivered by Wayne senior (about falling down), Alfred and his advice about what does a rich bachelor do...the classic line delivered by Neeson about Wayne's father being the one who failed to
For me Batman Begins is the best of Nolan's three movies. I missed it at the cinema (no one to go with) so waited for the DVD - as hard as it might be to believe, I read very little about it at the time and watched it with no expectations whatsoever. The film blew me away - I loved it - the lines delivered by Wayne senior (about falling down), Alfred and his advice about what does a rich bachelor do...the classic line delivered by Neeson about Wayne's father being the one who failed to act...brilliant stuff. I loved the small details like the blades on the Bat gloves...or the purchasing of the bat equipment. It was a great Batman movie. Oldman was a fantastic Gordon and the banter with Freeman, excellent. If this movie was up against the third trailer for Man of Steel movie, the winner for me would be the Man of Steel - I so very much wanted to see the movie that trailer presented. The final product, however, was for me a big disappointment and as a result Batman Begins is the clear winner.
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5:42PM on 08/22/2013
Batman Begins is one of my all time favorite movies. However, I also love Man Of Steel, not as much as Batman Begins but I do love it.
Batman Begins is one of my all time favorite movies. However, I also love Man Of Steel, not as much as Batman Begins but I do love it.
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3:47PM on 08/22/2013
Batman Begins was absolutely perfect. I honestly favor this over the TDK and TDK Rises. Bale was buff and bruting, like Batman should be, he was way too skinny in the follow ups, the suit was menacing, it had too much going on in the follow ups, the ninja component was prevalent, etc. etc.. The only way Man of Steel could be comparable is to add Batman himself. Oh wait....
(lol @ the "cancel each other out"
Batman Begins was absolutely perfect. I honestly favor this over the TDK and TDK Rises. Bale was buff and bruting, like Batman should be, he was way too skinny in the follow ups, the suit was menacing, it had too much going on in the follow ups, the ninja component was prevalent, etc. etc.. The only way Man of Steel could be comparable is to add Batman himself. Oh wait....
(lol @ the "cancel each other out"
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3:29PM on 08/22/2013
I pretty much stopped reading after I read this line in your article:
" Zach Snyder and Christopher Nolan kind of cancel each other out..."
Are you EFFing kidding me? They stand on equal ground to you? Yeah... you've just lost all credibility right there.
I pretty much stopped reading after I read this line in your article:
" Zach Snyder and Christopher Nolan kind of cancel each other out..."
Are you EFFing kidding me? They stand on equal ground to you? Yeah... you've just lost all credibility right there.
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3:23PM on 08/22/2013

Whoa whoa whoa

"Zach Snyder and Christopher Nolan kind of cancel each other out." If you said this to me at a bar I would walk away from you immediately.
"Zach Snyder and Christopher Nolan kind of cancel each other out." If you said this to me at a bar I would walk away from you immediately.
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3:31PM on 08/22/2013
I should have read this before posting my reply... but i was too blinded by white rage haha.
I should have read this before posting my reply... but i was too blinded by white rage haha.
3:12PM on 08/22/2013
I love them both. I walked out of the theater after seeing both of them saying "Finally!" Being a huge DC comics fan, I felt that I got to see what I had always wanted to see with both of them.......they took them seriously, made them "real".
I love them both. I walked out of the theater after seeing both of them saying "Finally!" Being a huge DC comics fan, I felt that I got to see what I had always wanted to see with both of them.......they took them seriously, made them "real".
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2:39PM on 08/22/2013

GOOD!!!

Batman Begins was great and Man of Shit was, well, shit.
Batman Begins was great and Man of Shit was, well, shit.
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2:31PM on 08/22/2013
Zod's, "I will find him!" was my favorite quote, and Ducard's "Your parents' death was not your fault, it was your father's."
Zod's, "I will find him!" was my favorite quote, and Ducard's "Your parents' death was not your fault, it was your father's."
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2:02PM on 08/22/2013
While I agree that Batman Begins is better flick in general, especially with the caliber of actors, Man of Steel opens up an entire new universe. Nolan's Batman was very contained in it's own tiny part of the DC universe. Man of Steel is leading not only to a new Batman, but eventually to the Justice League. So for me, the "value" of, or reasoning behind, the reboot goes to MoS.
While I agree that Batman Begins is better flick in general, especially with the caliber of actors, Man of Steel opens up an entire new universe. Nolan's Batman was very contained in it's own tiny part of the DC universe. Man of Steel is leading not only to a new Batman, but eventually to the Justice League. So for me, the "value" of, or reasoning behind, the reboot goes to MoS.
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2:56PM on 08/22/2013
I don't understand that logic. So you agree Batman was the better movie, but just because MoS will lead to a bigger DC universe, that makes MoS better?
I don't understand that logic. So you agree Batman was the better movie, but just because MoS will lead to a bigger DC universe, that makes MoS better?
1:51PM on 08/22/2013
Batman Begins quote #4 - so romantic.
This is actually a tough face-off. For an origin movie I'd probably err slightly on the side of Batman. Other than that it's totally down to what sort of mood I'm in - thoughtful or explodey. Both offer excellent takes on that hero's origins. Having seen Man Of Steel once and Batman Begins many times, I'd probably be inclined to give it to Batman, but in a year or two that might change.
Batman Begins quote #4 - so romantic.
This is actually a tough face-off. For an origin movie I'd probably err slightly on the side of Batman. Other than that it's totally down to what sort of mood I'm in - thoughtful or explodey. Both offer excellent takes on that hero's origins. Having seen Man Of Steel once and Batman Begins many times, I'd probably be inclined to give it to Batman, but in a year or two that might change.
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1:43PM on 08/22/2013

You forgot the best line from Man of Steel

ZOD: Where did you learn to fight, Waldo? On a Farm?
ZOD: Where did you learn to fight, Waldo? On a Farm?
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5:01PM on 08/22/2013
But how would Zod know what a farm is?
But how would Zod know what a farm is?
2:32PM on 08/22/2013
The way he said it too was freaking amazing, and funny at the same time.
The way he said it too was freaking amazing, and funny at the same time.
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1:40PM on 08/22/2013
This is like, "Faceoff: Citizen Kane VS Biodome"...
This is like, "Faceoff: Citizen Kane VS Biodome"...
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1:37PM on 08/22/2013

Batman Begins

I love both films and both films are in my top superhero films of all time, but I have to give this to Batman Begins. I remember being so amazed by it the first time I watched it and the fact that we haven't had a really great Batman film since Batman Returns.

I thought it was the perfect origins film for Batman and it's easily my favorite Batman film out of Nolan's trilogy.
I love both films and both films are in my top superhero films of all time, but I have to give this to Batman Begins. I remember being so amazed by it the first time I watched it and the fact that we haven't had a really great Batman film since Batman Returns.

I thought it was the perfect origins film for Batman and it's easily my favorite Batman film out of Nolan's trilogy.
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3:15PM on 08/22/2013
I feel the same way, though I prefer TDK. And FINALLY seeing Superman kick some ass and what it would be like if a fight happened between superpowered beings was just....wow.
I feel the same way, though I prefer TDK. And FINALLY seeing Superman kick some ass and what it would be like if a fight happened between superpowered beings was just....wow.
1:33PM on 08/22/2013

Is this even a fair fight?

Maybe Man of Steel should go up against Green Lantern instead.

Man of Steel was just terrible. The flashback scenes were random & redundant as fuck, we had to hear the painfully heavy handed "your destined for great things" speech over & over from not one but TWO FATHERS, and our "hero" drags the super villains through several miles of large empty fields only to drop the fight right in the middle of a heavily populated town. Seriously, Superman took these incredibly dangerous villains away
Maybe Man of Steel should go up against Green Lantern instead.

Man of Steel was just terrible. The flashback scenes were random & redundant as fuck, we had to hear the painfully heavy handed "your destined for great things" speech over & over from not one but TWO FATHERS, and our "hero" drags the super villains through several miles of large empty fields only to drop the fight right in the middle of a heavily populated town. Seriously, Superman took these incredibly dangerous villains away from a desolate farmland and into the town! Talk about placating to the "we need MORE CGI destruction" mentality at the cost of anything resembling intelligence.
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1:24PM on 08/22/2013
I'm a big fan of both films but Batman Begins was the better film. Although I'm not objective as I am a huge Batman fan.
I'm a big fan of both films but Batman Begins was the better film. Although I'm not objective as I am a huge Batman fan.
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1:21PM on 08/22/2013

Easiest call of all time.

Batman Begins was a perfect origin story and possibly my favorite of the Dark Knight trilogy, while Man of Steel was pretty much sunk by the 30 minute mark.
Batman Begins was a perfect origin story and possibly my favorite of the Dark Knight trilogy, while Man of Steel was pretty much sunk by the 30 minute mark.
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1:03PM on 08/22/2013

Forgotten "Batman Begins" quote

Alfred: "Why bats, master Wayne?"
Bruce: "Bats frighten me. It's time my enemies share my dread."
This one line, summed up everything that was missing before with the Batman franchise. In just one little line, that strikes deeper than any other line in any previous Batman film. Wayne's reason for choosing to dress like a bat and fight criminals. I'll never forget seeing this film in theaters and hearing that line for the first time, I literary said with so much enthusiasm "Finally, thank you
Alfred: "Why bats, master Wayne?"
Bruce: "Bats frighten me. It's time my enemies share my dread."
This one line, summed up everything that was missing before with the Batman franchise. In just one little line, that strikes deeper than any other line in any previous Batman film. Wayne's reason for choosing to dress like a bat and fight criminals. I'll never forget seeing this film in theaters and hearing that line for the first time, I literary said with so much enthusiasm "Finally, thank you Nolan. This is a GREAT Batman film".
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12:56PM on 08/22/2013

Duh...."Batman Begins"

Without the concept of "Batman Begins" starting off "The Dark Knight" trilogy, "Man of Steel" would not have been conceived. It was the Nolan brothers and David Goyer who finally jump on broad with the brilliant new and realistic new look of superhero films. Still, "Man of Steel" does not even hold a candle to the greatness of "Batman Begins".
Batman: "Your welcome Superman."
Without the concept of "Batman Begins" starting off "The Dark Knight" trilogy, "Man of Steel" would not have been conceived. It was the Nolan brothers and David Goyer who finally jump on broad with the brilliant new and realistic new look of superhero films. Still, "Man of Steel" does not even hold a candle to the greatness of "Batman Begins".
Batman: "Your welcome Superman."
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12:45PM on 08/22/2013

Well I saw that coming....

Of course Batman Begins was the better movie. Man of Steel was doing it's absolute best to try to copy Nolan's formula for success from Batman Begins: Origin story told through flashbacks, grittier and darker version of the character...I wouldn't have minded it so much but Batman just did it so much better. At least the flashbacks in Batman made sense and felt fluid and smooth with the events happening in present day. In MoS, they just wanted to go through Superman's typical "Greatest Hits" in
Of course Batman Begins was the better movie. Man of Steel was doing it's absolute best to try to copy Nolan's formula for success from Batman Begins: Origin story told through flashbacks, grittier and darker version of the character...I wouldn't have minded it so much but Batman just did it so much better. At least the flashbacks in Batman made sense and felt fluid and smooth with the events happening in present day. In MoS, they just wanted to go through Superman's typical "Greatest Hits" in his life, even if it had no bearing on what he was going through in present day. Definitely one of my biggest gripes with MoS
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12:41PM on 08/22/2013

B.B. - 9/10; M.O.S. - 5/10.

Both have the right amount of seriousness, but M.O.S. has bad pacing. Also, not all of the performances were good.
Both have the right amount of seriousness, but M.O.S. has bad pacing. Also, not all of the performances were good.
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12:22PM on 08/22/2013
'Man Of Steel', which is flawed but entertaining, is far superior to the turgidly paced, overly talkative stupidity of 'Batman Begins'.
'Man Of Steel', which is flawed but entertaining, is far superior to the turgidly paced, overly talkative stupidity of 'Batman Begins'.
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12:09PM on 08/22/2013

Come on now

I could have told you begins was a better movie, I LOVED man of steel and thought it was great but begins was def the better movie,
I could have told you begins was a better movie, I LOVED man of steel and thought it was great but begins was def the better movie,
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11:50AM on 08/22/2013
Man of Steel is a much better movie. Try watching Begins now and you won't make it past the halfway mark. No rewatchability what so ever.
Man of Steel is a much better movie. Try watching Begins now and you won't make it past the halfway mark. No rewatchability what so ever.
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12:21PM on 08/22/2013
to each his own but I still think Begins is awesome.

Gordon: "Armed robbery, double homicide, has a taste for the theatrical, like you. Leaves a calling card. "

Talk about the ultimate set up!
to each his own but I still think Begins is awesome.

Gordon: "Armed robbery, double homicide, has a taste for the theatrical, like you. Leaves a calling card. "

Talk about the ultimate set up!
12:20PM on 08/22/2013
yep just watched it on Tuesday and it was just as awesome as wehn I first watched. Still love the scene where the narrows have all been infected and he flies over all of them making them scared of him and setting up why most criminals are scared of the bat as they were poisoned by Crane and made him look to be a monster to those infected. Great movie and VERY rewatchable. On the otehr hand if you want to watch someone with really no origin story or story period and want to see lots of things
yep just watched it on Tuesday and it was just as awesome as wehn I first watched. Still love the scene where the narrows have all been infected and he flies over all of them making them scared of him and setting up why most criminals are scared of the bat as they were poisoned by Crane and made him look to be a monster to those infected. Great movie and VERY rewatchable. On the otehr hand if you want to watch someone with really no origin story or story period and want to see lots of things explode, Superman is the movie for you.
12:09PM on 08/22/2013
Just rewatched it last night on spike, still awesome
Just rewatched it last night on spike, still awesome
12:08PM on 08/22/2013
Then yer a shallow minded fool
Then yer a shallow minded fool
11:42AM on 08/22/2013
I feel like Superman has a disadvantage. Even though he has God-like power, his villains that we've seen in the movie so far are just General Zod and Lex Luthor. On the other hand, Batman doesn't have God-like power but we've seen a LOT of Batman's villains over the year - not just The Joker but other lesser known villains like Scarecrow.
I feel like Superman has a disadvantage. Even though he has God-like power, his villains that we've seen in the movie so far are just General Zod and Lex Luthor. On the other hand, Batman doesn't have God-like power but we've seen a LOT of Batman's villains over the year - not just The Joker but other lesser known villains like Scarecrow.
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11:31AM on 08/22/2013
I liked Man Of Steel a bit better. And I am not really a fan of Superman. I felt Batman Begins was a long movie that tended to drag a bit. Man Of Steel had some epic action and a good script. Good character development and well edited. Batman Begins was good, the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises were better. Man of Steel was very enjoyable. It was played as realistic, which is hard for Superman.
I liked Man Of Steel a bit better. And I am not really a fan of Superman. I felt Batman Begins was a long movie that tended to drag a bit. Man Of Steel had some epic action and a good script. Good character development and well edited. Batman Begins was good, the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises were better. Man of Steel was very enjoyable. It was played as realistic, which is hard for Superman.
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11:26AM on 08/22/2013

Fire Snyder!

Christ Almighty! Get a new director!
Christ Almighty! Get a new director!
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9:06AM on 08/23/2013
Yeah, if only Batman versus Superman could have input from an Oscar winning actor / writer / director / producer. Hmm.
Yeah, if only Batman versus Superman could have input from an Oscar winning actor / writer / director / producer. Hmm.
1:44PM on 08/22/2013
Snyder's proved himself with 300 and Dawn of the Dead, with a strong script, he just doesn't see things through. Sucker Punch? And just echoing everyone else, Goyer just needs to contribute story and let another, stronger writer handle the script.
Snyder's proved himself with 300 and Dawn of the Dead, with a strong script, he just doesn't see things through. Sucker Punch? And just echoing everyone else, Goyer just needs to contribute story and let another, stronger writer handle the script.
1:24PM on 08/22/2013
Yeah I really believe that Goyer is the main problem, the guy's a pretty lousy writer, should probably be doing Saturday morning cartoons, at least the 6 year olds wouldn't be able to tell how shitty he is.
Yeah I really believe that Goyer is the main problem, the guy's a pretty lousy writer, should probably be doing Saturday morning cartoons, at least the 6 year olds wouldn't be able to tell how shitty he is.
11:44AM on 08/22/2013
It is more imperative that another writer be hired. I'm not saying Goyer needs to be replaced, but he needs help. Goyer is a great idea man. He can churn out great big concepts, but he has always lacked in the character and humanity department.
It is more imperative that another writer be hired. I'm not saying Goyer needs to be replaced, but he needs help. Goyer is a great idea man. He can churn out great big concepts, but he has always lacked in the character and humanity department.
11:08AM on 08/22/2013
Joel Schumacher wasn't Batman's biggest foe, that honor falls to the McDonalds marketing department.
Soon after Returns opened, the folks at Mickey Ds met with Warners and told them 'we cannot sell happy meals with green shit coming out of the penguins mouth' .
I remember my colleague saying to me, 'I guess Mr. Burton won't be directing part 3 '.
Parts 3 & 4 were specifically redesigned and made for kids to sell toys. And Schumacher? well he was just told what to do.
Shame too as he made
Joel Schumacher wasn't Batman's biggest foe, that honor falls to the McDonalds marketing department.
Soon after Returns opened, the folks at Mickey Ds met with Warners and told them 'we cannot sell happy meals with green shit coming out of the penguins mouth' .
I remember my colleague saying to me, 'I guess Mr. Burton won't be directing part 3 '.
Parts 3 & 4 were specifically redesigned and made for kids to sell toys. And Schumacher? well he was just told what to do.
Shame too as he made some fine films, recently contributing two excellent episodes on House of Cards.
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10:57AM on 08/22/2013

BATMAN BEGINS

While Man of Steel is a masterpiece (yup that's what I said),Batman Begins will always triumph. The first and only movie to actually ground Bruce Waynes traumatic childhood crafted by Mr. Nolan himself. Still a fantastic film.
While Man of Steel is a masterpiece (yup that's what I said),Batman Begins will always triumph. The first and only movie to actually ground Bruce Waynes traumatic childhood crafted by Mr. Nolan himself. Still a fantastic film.
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10:52AM on 08/22/2013
No contest. Begins was a fantastic character driven origin story. Man of Steel was a lazy mess of a film, with one dimensional characters, & some of the worst dialog ever spoken on screen. I'm a huge DC fanboy, but MoS killed me ever wanting to see another film by that clusterfuck team of Goyer/Snyder.
No contest. Begins was a fantastic character driven origin story. Man of Steel was a lazy mess of a film, with one dimensional characters, & some of the worst dialog ever spoken on screen. I'm a huge DC fanboy, but MoS killed me ever wanting to see another film by that clusterfuck team of Goyer/Snyder.
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10:43AM on 08/22/2013

Man of Steel ...

was not inspiring
was not inspiring
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1:54PM on 08/22/2013
Don't thank me too much, I stole it from a video on How It Should Have Ended - about the Batman/Superman news. But I think it's quite accurate.
Don't thank me too much, I stole it from a video on How It Should Have Ended - about the Batman/Superman news. But I think it's quite accurate.
11:20AM on 08/22/2013
Thankyou Bojac, Thankyou
Thankyou Bojac, Thankyou
10:41AM on 08/22/2013
I think Batman Begins would win. It's interesting, when Batman Begins came out, the term "reboot" wasn't commonly heard - in fact, it was just about being heard for the first time at all. A lot of people have come down on the Nolan films for taking themselves too seriously but the thing is, in order to pull Batman from the neon-lit ashes, it hard to be dark, it had to be different, it had to be credible - and I think Begins managed to do all that. I think it still had an element of
I think Batman Begins would win. It's interesting, when Batman Begins came out, the term "reboot" wasn't commonly heard - in fact, it was just about being heard for the first time at all. A lot of people have come down on the Nolan films for taking themselves too seriously but the thing is, in order to pull Batman from the neon-lit ashes, it hard to be dark, it had to be different, it had to be credible - and I think Begins managed to do all that. I think it still had an element of heightenedness to it - the League of Shadows, Scarecrow's fear gas, using Ra's al Ghul as a Bond villain (the way he was conceived) and it worked very well. The only weak link would be Katie Holmes' Rachel Dawes. I really loved the performances of both Gary Oldman and Liam Neeson, playing against both their types and doing marvellously. Now, I did enjoy Man of Steel, but it comes at a time when audiences seem to have become jaded. I think if Man of Steel had come out at the time Superman Returns did, and if a World's Finest film progressed from there, it would've been a different story reception-wise.
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11:27AM on 08/22/2013
I remember having to explain all the time in France "No, it's not a sequel, it starts at the very beginning again, pretend the other films don't exist". Today all you have to say is "reboot" and people understand, even non-English speaking people.
I remember having to explain all the time in France "No, it's not a sequel, it starts at the very beginning again, pretend the other films don't exist". Today all you have to say is "reboot" and people understand, even non-English speaking people.
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10:37AM on 08/22/2013

Bla

Shoulda known this bc everyone sucks on Nolan's wee wee, but with cast and crew, maybe their cast has the edge, but at that time Nolan was really a nobody. There was no "In Nolan We Trust" BS. He directed memento (a solid film) and remade insomnia (which was pretty good too - awesome robin Williams performance - but under seen). Snyder's had a couple duds for sure but as far as when the movies came out, Snyder is a way bigger name. You can say, and Zack Snyder is directing it, and if they
Shoulda known this bc everyone sucks on Nolan's wee wee, but with cast and crew, maybe their cast has the edge, but at that time Nolan was really a nobody. There was no "In Nolan We Trust" BS. He directed memento (a solid film) and remade insomnia (which was pretty good too - awesome robin Williams performance - but under seen). Snyder's had a couple duds for sure but as far as when the movies came out, Snyder is a way bigger name. You can say, and Zack Snyder is directing it, and if they don't know who that is, say it's the dude from 300 and Watchmen. But mainly, it comes down to the villains. In BB, the villain is basically himself, is him finding himself. That's why there's no real big villain because he's trying to find himself. I'm not totally crazy about Zod, but bc of all the one on one fighting, he's the way better villain. Ppl just can't seperate ANY of the over rated Bat films from the rest of Nolan's over-rated bat films
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2:08PM on 08/22/2013
Nolan also had the Following, which rocked. When Nolan did Batman he had a reputation for good story. Snyder has never had that.
Nolan also had the Following, which rocked. When Nolan did Batman he had a reputation for good story. Snyder has never had that.
12:23PM on 08/22/2013
I think you lost me when you said Memento "was solid" , it was much more than solid and for sure harder than Kryptonite
I think you lost me when you said Memento "was solid" , it was much more than solid and for sure harder than Kryptonite
11:18AM on 08/22/2013
Begins was by far the best batman movie, after that I kinda thought the dark knight was overrated and the dark knight rises killed it in the water for me. So im by no means part of the In Nolan we trust crowd and lets not forget that Nolan produced Man Of Steel. But for me Man Of Steel had no Heart. I remember watching Begins on the opening day and finally thinking that Batman had been done right. Little did I know it was gonna go down hill.
Begins was by far the best batman movie, after that I kinda thought the dark knight was overrated and the dark knight rises killed it in the water for me. So im by no means part of the In Nolan we trust crowd and lets not forget that Nolan produced Man Of Steel. But for me Man Of Steel had no Heart. I remember watching Begins on the opening day and finally thinking that Batman had been done right. Little did I know it was gonna go down hill.
10:44AM on 08/22/2013
You're going to pay my medical bills for the cancer this gave me.
You're going to pay my medical bills for the cancer this gave me.
10:32AM on 08/22/2013

"acting gods"

great line. But you left out Liam Neeson!
great line. But you left out Liam Neeson!
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10:31AM on 08/22/2013
Thank God for that, If MOS had won I was gonna leave this site.
Thank God for that, If MOS had won I was gonna leave this site.
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10:16AM on 08/22/2013
I actually think MOS has BB on the quotes department. I loved Man of Steel. It was everything a modern Superman movie should have been. Every complaint from fanboys is overblown, or simply misconception or standards they don't hold other superhero films too.
I actually think MOS has BB on the quotes department. I loved Man of Steel. It was everything a modern Superman movie should have been. Every complaint from fanboys is overblown, or simply misconception or standards they don't hold other superhero films too.
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3:21PM on 08/22/2013
I agree with you. It feels like everyone expected something else or they haven't read a DC comic in about 20 years.
I agree with you. It feels like everyone expected something else or they haven't read a DC comic in about 20 years.
1:27PM on 08/22/2013
Pretty sure it doesn't, I can't remember a single thing anybody said in that clunker aside from that cheesy "Doesn't it!!" line Supes said to Zod for some reason. The movie sucked, hopefully the sequel is 10 times better, which would not be that hard to do.
Pretty sure it doesn't, I can't remember a single thing anybody said in that clunker aside from that cheesy "Doesn't it!!" line Supes said to Zod for some reason. The movie sucked, hopefully the sequel is 10 times better, which would not be that hard to do.
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10:15AM on 08/22/2013
This is no contest. While I liked "Man of Steel", "Batman Begins" is the textbook example of how to make a superhero origin movie.
This is no contest. While I liked "Man of Steel", "Batman Begins" is the textbook example of how to make a superhero origin movie.
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