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Spielberg says George Lucas is mostly to blame for Indy 4

Oct. 26, 2011by:

They may be the best of friends, but that doesn't mean they won't call each other out. Steven Spielberg was recently interviewed about a few different things by Empire among them JURASSIC PARK 4 (which he says has a better story than the other three) and INDY 5 (which Lucas is writing), but the most interesting exchange came when he was asked about criticism of INDY 4 and its central alien theme.

"I sympathise with people who didn't like the MacGuffin because I never liked the MacGuffin. George and I had big arguments about the MacGuffin. I didn't want these things to be either aliens or inter-dimensional beings. But I am loyal to my best friend. When he writes a story he believes in - even if I don't believe in it - I'm going to shoot the movie the way George envisaged it."

What? That sounds like a terrible idea. You’re going to let your friend make your movie shit just because he’s your friend? I’m frankly surprised to hear him speak so openly about this, but perhaps he’s tired of getting the blame for INDY 4’s failings.

He did, however, admit that the famous “nuke the fridge” scene was his idea.

"Blame me. Don't blame George. That was my silly idea. People stopped saying "jump the shark". They now say, "nuked the fridge". I'm proud of that. I'm glad I was able to bring that into popular culture."

So, who was to blame for the CGI monkeys and prairie dogs?

Extra Tidbit: And youre letting him write the next one too?? I guess his good stories still outweigh his bad ones by a majority vote, but certainly not recently.
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9:36PM on 10/27/2011

psss....

Complain all you want.. people will still continue to watch whatever they do.

Sad part is that movies like Drive while awesome don't manage to do the same.

And to think that the prequels 3D crapfest will manage to get people waiting in line for days I bet... sad world we live in.. sigh
Complain all you want.. people will still continue to watch whatever they do.

Sad part is that movies like Drive while awesome don't manage to do the same.

And to think that the prequels 3D crapfest will manage to get people waiting in line for days I bet... sad world we live in.. sigh
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4:01PM on 10/27/2011
I literally just had this conversation with my girlfriend after watching "The People Vs. George Lucas".
I literally just had this conversation with my girlfriend after watching "The People Vs. George Lucas".
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12:38PM on 10/27/2011
Please, you both screwed up, just own up to it, and dammit, maybe listen to fan suggestions.
Please, you both screwed up, just own up to it, and dammit, maybe listen to fan suggestions.
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2:53PM on 10/27/2011
ok what did you read the article at all?

Pretty sure he just said they both made mistakes with the movie.
ok what did you read the article at all?

Pretty sure he just said they both made mistakes with the movie.
1:58PM on 10/29/2011
WP - he never reads what anyone writes, he just goes off on his uneducated rants
WP - he never reads what anyone writes, he just goes off on his uneducated rants
11:42AM on 10/27/2011

Lucas/The 'Berg... if you're reading this...

...here is what you do. Take your asses out to that rumored storage unit where you keep all those fan-submitted scripts you never cared to read and sit down and read them. I guarantee you there are fantastic ideas from the fans of your films. Ideas that I bet even you would love and appreciate. Take them all and get the best adventure writers you know together and hash that shit out. If Ford is willing to give Indy one more chance, then so should you. And do it right. Let's pretend 4 never even
...here is what you do. Take your asses out to that rumored storage unit where you keep all those fan-submitted scripts you never cared to read and sit down and read them. I guarantee you there are fantastic ideas from the fans of your films. Ideas that I bet even you would love and appreciate. Take them all and get the best adventure writers you know together and hash that shit out. If Ford is willing to give Indy one more chance, then so should you. And do it right. Let's pretend 4 never even happened. And for fucks sake get Sallah back.
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2:16PM on 10/27/2011
They can't. Would they do it, any fan who see a single idea of his used, could sue the production... Think about the other guy and Hangover 2 case...
They can't. Would they do it, any fan who see a single idea of his used, could sue the production... Think about the other guy and Hangover 2 case...
10:14AM on 10/27/2011
George Lucas's fault? I don't f*cking think so. Spielberg is the director. If Spielberg decided he didn't want to do Crystal Skulls then there would be no Crystal Skulls. He is absolutely, 100% to blame for making a movie he admits he didn't believe in.
George Lucas's fault? I don't f*cking think so. Spielberg is the director. If Spielberg decided he didn't want to do Crystal Skulls then there would be no Crystal Skulls. He is absolutely, 100% to blame for making a movie he admits he didn't believe in.
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2:59AM on 10/27/2011
Now he knows better. Even the masters never stop learning. Crystal Skull is SO bad that people (actors, director, etc.) can't stop apologizing for it even years later. That says it all doesn't it?
Now he knows better. Even the masters never stop learning. Crystal Skull is SO bad that people (actors, director, etc.) can't stop apologizing for it even years later. That says it all doesn't it?
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12:08AM on 10/27/2011
While I tend to agree with every one else on most of the points, I think I might be one of the minority who actually liked the nuke-the-fridge scene. It was actually one of the few original bits in the movie. Everything else was a rehash of the other movies, the Mummy movies, and everything in between.
While I tend to agree with every one else on most of the points, I think I might be one of the minority who actually liked the nuke-the-fridge scene. It was actually one of the few original bits in the movie. Everything else was a rehash of the other movies, the Mummy movies, and everything in between.
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12:00AM on 10/27/2011
I'm amazed he finally threw George under the bus regarding this. I honestly thought Spielberg would continue to take the blame until George died. I wonder what this will do to their friendship?
I'm amazed he finally threw George under the bus regarding this. I honestly thought Spielberg would continue to take the blame until George died. I wonder what this will do to their friendship?
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8:46PM on 10/26/2011
Let's get this straight: nothing Lucas writes is good. Okay, MAYBE American Graffiti, but that's IT. Dare I say, even Star Wars is full of bad writing and poor acting (that's right, I said it). Lucas is a good producer and should stick to producing. Let the writers write and the directors direct. Really, Spielberg should be getting an actual screenwriter to write Indy 5, someone with a decent veteran status as an adventure flick writer. I'd have to look into who that would be, but there sure
Let's get this straight: nothing Lucas writes is good. Okay, MAYBE American Graffiti, but that's IT. Dare I say, even Star Wars is full of bad writing and poor acting (that's right, I said it). Lucas is a good producer and should stick to producing. Let the writers write and the directors direct. Really, Spielberg should be getting an actual screenwriter to write Indy 5, someone with a decent veteran status as an adventure flick writer. I'd have to look into who that would be, but there sure are a hell of a lot more of them than Lucas.
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12:11AM on 10/27/2011
So you're saying man has good ideas, terrible with scripts. I mean, most of his movies, the ones we remember him for, he wrote. So thank Philip Kaufman, Lawrence Kasdan, et. al. Is that right?
So you're saying man has good ideas, terrible with scripts. I mean, most of his movies, the ones we remember him for, he wrote. So thank Philip Kaufman, Lawrence Kasdan, et. al. Is that right?
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8:30PM on 10/26/2011
Come on Steve really? You let him sleep with your wife cuz he is your best friend and he belives in it also?
Come on Steve really? You let him sleep with your wife cuz he is your best friend and he belives in it also?
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8:18PM on 10/26/2011

Breaking News

Also just in...water is sometimes wet.
Also just in...water is sometimes wet.
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8:09PM on 10/26/2011

Wait... he's STILL writing INDY 5??

WHY IS GEORGE LUCAS BEING ALLOWED TO WRITE AGAIN!!!!!????
WHY IS GEORGE LUCAS BEING ALLOWED TO WRITE AGAIN!!!!!????
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7:25PM on 10/26/2011
Spielberg isn't telling us anything that we obviously didn't already know. Indy 4 had many of the same problems as the prequels. There really isn't much in Indy 4 that felt like a Spielberg film, it was like Spielberg was just on auto pilot while shooting everything.

The trailers for Tintin look like a real Spielberg adventure film, like what I was expecting Indy 4 to be.
Spielberg isn't telling us anything that we obviously didn't already know. Indy 4 had many of the same problems as the prequels. There really isn't much in Indy 4 that felt like a Spielberg film, it was like Spielberg was just on auto pilot while shooting everything.

The trailers for Tintin look like a real Spielberg adventure film, like what I was expecting Indy 4 to be.
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7:04PM on 10/26/2011

I don't get peoples problem with it

the interdimensional beings, I mean really. Was that too out there for Indy fans? Too much fantasy/sci-fi? Really? REALLY?

It's just bullshit, I mean if you get upset it's 'aliens' or whatever you want to improperly label it as, go ahead and watch the other three movies and then start complaining about how out there key plot devices in those movies are. It's only right.
the interdimensional beings, I mean really. Was that too out there for Indy fans? Too much fantasy/sci-fi? Really? REALLY?

It's just bullshit, I mean if you get upset it's 'aliens' or whatever you want to improperly label it as, go ahead and watch the other three movies and then start complaining about how out there key plot devices in those movies are. It's only right.
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8:10PM on 10/26/2011
My issue is with the over usage of CGI which is an UBER hallmark of George Lucas.
My issue is with the over usage of CGI which is an UBER hallmark of George Lucas.
2:54PM on 10/27/2011
@electriclite - that wasn't the main issue people had with it and because of that isn't what I'm talking about so...

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@electriclite - that wasn't the main issue people had with it and because of that isn't what I'm talking about so...

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6:46PM on 10/26/2011
Extra Tidbit:

Umm, no. Have you heard his ideas for the original star wars? They would have been garbage if he didn't have people around telling him what to do.

The Star Ward prequels are a perfect example of George Lucas making every creative decision. He's terrible at it. Period.
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Umm, no. Have you heard his ideas for the original star wars? They would have been garbage if he didn't have people around telling him what to do.

The Star Ward prequels are a perfect example of George Lucas making every creative decision. He's terrible at it. Period.
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6:35PM on 10/26/2011
The aliens weren't even the bad part about it. What sucked in this movie was the cgi animals and their effort to connect it to the first Indy by adding Marion. People complain about Shai but I actually liked his character. Marion was the annoying addition in Indy 4. I still liked the movie though just not as good as the original 3.
The aliens weren't even the bad part about it. What sucked in this movie was the cgi animals and their effort to connect it to the first Indy by adding Marion. People complain about Shai but I actually liked his character. Marion was the annoying addition in Indy 4. I still liked the movie though just not as good as the original 3.
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6:34PM on 10/26/2011
... because 'God' coming down and essentially vacuuming up a small band of Nazis for opening the Ark of the Covenant was SOOOO much more plausible than aliens coming to Earth. : P
... because 'God' coming down and essentially vacuuming up a small band of Nazis for opening the Ark of the Covenant was SOOOO much more plausible than aliens coming to Earth. : P
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6:30PM on 10/26/2011
I really think at some point both Harrison Ford and Spielberg said to each other, fuck it, just make the damn thing already before we all die of old age. George was the only one holding it back so they agreed with him, just to be able to make a new Indy and enjoy the whole process together once more while they still could.

That said, I pretty much hated Indy 4 but I actually liked the nuking the fridge scene. Well, except for the CGI prairie dog at the end of it, but like you said, I doubt
I really think at some point both Harrison Ford and Spielberg said to each other, fuck it, just make the damn thing already before we all die of old age. George was the only one holding it back so they agreed with him, just to be able to make a new Indy and enjoy the whole process together once more while they still could.

That said, I pretty much hated Indy 4 but I actually liked the nuking the fridge scene. Well, except for the CGI prairie dog at the end of it, but like you said, I doubt that was Spielberg's idea...
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6:36PM on 10/26/2011
Yeah, I don't get all the hate for the fridge scene. Yes, it's an extremely elaborate set-up for what is a fairly minor gag, but in the end, it was still funny.
Yeah, I don't get all the hate for the fridge scene. Yes, it's an extremely elaborate set-up for what is a fairly minor gag, but in the end, it was still funny.
6:28PM on 10/26/2011
Honestly I'm sick of the infamous hate for this movie, I thought it was really good. And it makes me sick that individuals like Shia or Steven will publicly pass blame around and not stand behind their art.
Honestly I'm sick of the infamous hate for this movie, I thought it was really good. And it makes me sick that individuals like Shia or Steven will publicly pass blame around and not stand behind their art.
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5:38PM on 10/26/2011

Why didn't you post the WHOLE article?

Funny how you post only the parts where people would bash Lucas more, but you left out the parts where Spielberg still praises Indy 4. Not only that, you didn't even post a link to read the FULL artcile. I like this website, but sometimes you guys go out of your way to post your own opinion instead of posting a unbiased article. I respect your opinion, but article like this? No, this is just a way to have Lucas bashed more.

As for Indy 4, meh. It's not nearly as good as Raiders or
Funny how you post only the parts where people would bash Lucas more, but you left out the parts where Spielberg still praises Indy 4. Not only that, you didn't even post a link to read the FULL artcile. I like this website, but sometimes you guys go out of your way to post your own opinion instead of posting a unbiased article. I respect your opinion, but article like this? No, this is just a way to have Lucas bashed more.

As for Indy 4, meh. It's not nearly as good as Raiders or Crusade, and the CGI felt very out of place, but it was still enjoyable for me. If anything, I think the major reason why this movie wasn't very good was because Spielberg and Lucas didn't compromise on the story.
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6:14PM on 10/26/2011
Hello!! The whole point of the site is to allow the writers a chance to voice their opinions! If you don't like it, tough!
Hello!! The whole point of the site is to allow the writers a chance to voice their opinions! If you don't like it, tough!
6:20PM on 10/26/2011
It's a news site, not a blog Terminal.
It's a news site, not a blog Terminal.
6:31PM on 10/26/2011
This is how JoBlo has been for years and it's not going to change. Stop trying to tell JoBlo what it should and shouldn't be.
This is how JoBlo has been for years and it's not going to change. Stop trying to tell JoBlo what it should and shouldn't be.
6:46PM on 10/26/2011
I have no problem with Paul expressing his opinion, my point was they should post the entire article or at the very least post a link to the full article. They did neither, they only posted the parts where Lucas is being blamed, and the nuke scene. In that way, if seems like this article was mostly made to bash Lucas and the fourth Indy film again.
I have no problem with Paul expressing his opinion, my point was they should post the entire article or at the very least post a link to the full article. They did neither, they only posted the parts where Lucas is being blamed, and the nuke scene. In that way, if seems like this article was mostly made to bash Lucas and the fourth Indy film again.
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5:02PM on 10/26/2011
Am I the only one who respects this about him? I hated Indy 4 like everyone else, but its nice to hear that he values his friendship with Lucas more than his reputation as a filmmaker.
Am I the only one who respects this about him? I hated Indy 4 like everyone else, but its nice to hear that he values his friendship with Lucas more than his reputation as a filmmaker.
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6:04PM on 10/26/2011
Interesting point, but as enduring as it is, when do value the friendship enough to stand up your ground for your artistic integrity?
Interesting point, but as enduring as it is, when do value the friendship enough to stand up your ground for your artistic integrity?
4:55PM on 10/26/2011
I understand his statement because he doesn't want to point any fingers, but again, come on. we know who's idea was it to bring in aliens. I still liked the movie though. I am part of the unpopular opinion.
I understand his statement because he doesn't want to point any fingers, but again, come on. we know who's idea was it to bring in aliens. I still liked the movie though. I am part of the unpopular opinion.
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4:20PM on 10/26/2011
Fuck! That! I call shenanigans! Did he not read the script before shooting?! Steve you are even MORE to blame for actually filming that abomination. And for people saying that aliens are just as believable as someone ripping a heart out with their bare hands... At least THAT looked realer than any fuckin cgi alien, ant, or swinging monkey ever could! As for Indy V bring back Sallah, Short Round, and Sean Connery (in a flash back scene) and you will have a FAR SUPERIOR sequel than that last
Fuck! That! I call shenanigans! Did he not read the script before shooting?! Steve you are even MORE to blame for actually filming that abomination. And for people saying that aliens are just as believable as someone ripping a heart out with their bare hands... At least THAT looked realer than any fuckin cgi alien, ant, or swinging monkey ever could! As for Indy V bring back Sallah, Short Round, and Sean Connery (in a flash back scene) and you will have a FAR SUPERIOR sequel than that last p.o.s.
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1:13PM on 10/27/2011
Realer?

Fuck Short Round. SR and Kate Capshaw alone made Temple of Doom the worst Indy movie to date.
Realer?

Fuck Short Round. SR and Kate Capshaw alone made Temple of Doom the worst Indy movie to date.
5:13PM on 10/28/2011
More Realistic* But no. KOTCS was a lot worser (just joking. lol) a lot worse than TOD. TOD has some cult status. I love that movie!
More Realistic* But no. KOTCS was a lot worser (just joking. lol) a lot worse than TOD. TOD has some cult status. I love that movie!
4:17PM on 10/26/2011

Balls

Grow a pair Stephen!
Grow a pair Stephen!
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4:08PM on 10/26/2011
I'll say this about Indy 4, you can edit out maybe 20 minutes (the fridge flying, the monkeys, the weird Jedi move Cate Blanchett does on the 51 door, etc) and it would be a much stronger film. The same can't be said about the new Star Wars trilogy. Had Indy 4 come out prior to Phantom Menace, I don't think there would have been all the hate towards it. The new trilogy left enough of a bad taste, people were prepped to tear this down.
I'll say this about Indy 4, you can edit out maybe 20 minutes (the fridge flying, the monkeys, the weird Jedi move Cate Blanchett does on the 51 door, etc) and it would be a much stronger film. The same can't be said about the new Star Wars trilogy. Had Indy 4 come out prior to Phantom Menace, I don't think there would have been all the hate towards it. The new trilogy left enough of a bad taste, people were prepped to tear this down.
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3:56PM on 10/26/2011
I call bullshit on Spielberg's statement about Jurassic Park 4. Not only is JP1's story unbeatable, but JP4 will simply never happen. And if it turns out I'm wrong, then I don't exist.
I call bullshit on Spielberg's statement about Jurassic Park 4. Not only is JP1's story unbeatable, but JP4 will simply never happen. And if it turns out I'm wrong, then I don't exist.
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3:15PM on 10/26/2011
I think it's low for Spielberg to come out and say this. He's just giving in to the criticism. Had Indy 4 been a hit, this statement would have never surfaced. I think film makers need to stand up for their films sometimes.
I think it's low for Spielberg to come out and say this. He's just giving in to the criticism. Had Indy 4 been a hit, this statement would have never surfaced. I think film makers need to stand up for their films sometimes.
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3:35PM on 10/26/2011
If you read the whole article, he says he is very proud of the film, in nearly every way. He simply had a hard time getting used to the Macguffin.

I definitely agree with you're comment in general (examples: Shia Labeouf, Micky Rourke, etc) but this simply isn't one of those times.
If you read the whole article, he says he is very proud of the film, in nearly every way. He simply had a hard time getting used to the Macguffin.

I definitely agree with you're comment in general (examples: Shia Labeouf, Micky Rourke, etc) but this simply isn't one of those times.
4:02PM on 10/26/2011
Uh, domestically the movie made 317 million and almost 800 million worldwide, I think that qualifies a hit. Granted I thought it was the weakest of the four, but it wasn't a dud...
Uh, domestically the movie made 317 million and almost 800 million worldwide, I think that qualifies a hit. Granted I thought it was the weakest of the four, but it wasn't a dud...
4:52PM on 10/26/2011
Hmmmm.. Only read what was provided by Joblo, did not read the whole article.

@fury159: I meant both critics and box office alike. These two combine usually constitutes as a hit to me. Additionally, it's the only term that comes to mind.
Hmmmm.. Only read what was provided by Joblo, did not read the whole article.

@fury159: I meant both critics and box office alike. These two combine usually constitutes as a hit to me. Additionally, it's the only term that comes to mind.
6:01PM on 10/26/2011
Kingdom sits at 77% on rottentomatoes, so it wasn't bashed by critics. I'm just saying technically, as business, it did what it was supposed to. I totally see your point, but I think it's mostly the fans (or lack thereof) that dismiss it.
Kingdom sits at 77% on rottentomatoes, so it wasn't bashed by critics. I'm just saying technically, as business, it did what it was supposed to. I totally see your point, but I think it's mostly the fans (or lack thereof) that dismiss it.
3:09PM on 10/26/2011
Just say "No", Steve.
Just say "No", Steve.
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3:09PM on 10/26/2011
I wonder if either of them have ever commented on the South Park episode about Indy 4.
I wonder if either of them have ever commented on the South Park episode about Indy 4.
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3:04PM on 10/26/2011
I didn't mind the gophers. I didn't even mind the fridge sequence because it was well shot. What ruined the film for me was the CGI-soaked jungle chase sequence where the ethos of what the Indy films were supposed to be - good old fashioned romps with real stuntwork and practical effects - was totally discarded. If you think that was a well staged action sequence you hate cinema. People were worried about Ford being too old, but he was the only one who delivered. And don't get me started
I didn't mind the gophers. I didn't even mind the fridge sequence because it was well shot. What ruined the film for me was the CGI-soaked jungle chase sequence where the ethos of what the Indy films were supposed to be - good old fashioned romps with real stuntwork and practical effects - was totally discarded. If you think that was a well staged action sequence you hate cinema. People were worried about Ford being too old, but he was the only one who delivered. And don't get me started on Mac and Marian...
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2:43PM on 10/26/2011
I never understood the hate for Indy 4, He's Indiana Jones.... Of course he's gonna be the one to come in to contact with aliens. Yeah the monkeys were ridiculous and the vine swinging too but thats why these movies are fun to watch, are you guys trying to tell me ripping someones heart out with your bare hands is any more realistic than swinging through trees on vines?
I never understood the hate for Indy 4, He's Indiana Jones.... Of course he's gonna be the one to come in to contact with aliens. Yeah the monkeys were ridiculous and the vine swinging too but thats why these movies are fun to watch, are you guys trying to tell me ripping someones heart out with your bare hands is any more realistic than swinging through trees on vines?
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2:26PM on 10/26/2011
Yeah um. It really comes down to this. What is more important to you? Your "friend" who is widely viewed by the world as a lunatic or your reputation and legacy?

Rule of thumb in the industry, never EVER mingle with the merchandise.
Yeah um. It really comes down to this. What is more important to you? Your "friend" who is widely viewed by the world as a lunatic or your reputation and legacy?

Rule of thumb in the industry, never EVER mingle with the merchandise.
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2:22PM on 10/26/2011
I dug Indy 4. I dug the aliens. Never understood how the concept of inter dimensional beings was any "crazier" than holy arks, grails and tribal, heart ripping out black magic.
Fridge didn't bother me either. He's Indiana Jones. Dude has survived sillier shit than that. Get rid of the CGI gopher and monkeys, and you've got a damn fine flick.
I dug Indy 4. I dug the aliens. Never understood how the concept of inter dimensional beings was any "crazier" than holy arks, grails and tribal, heart ripping out black magic.
Fridge didn't bother me either. He's Indiana Jones. Dude has survived sillier shit than that. Get rid of the CGI gopher and monkeys, and you've got a damn fine flick.
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5:54PM on 10/26/2011
The Fridge never bothered me either.
The Fridge never bothered me either.
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2:02PM on 10/26/2011
The alien stuff was fine, but the cartoony CGI totally ruined the film for me. Remember when movies used to look real?
The alien stuff was fine, but the cartoony CGI totally ruined the film for me. Remember when movies used to look real?
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1:57PM on 10/26/2011
I am excited that it sounds like Jurassic Park 4 could be underway soon. Would love a short synopsis of the story.
I am excited that it sounds like Jurassic Park 4 could be underway soon. Would love a short synopsis of the story.
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1:52PM on 10/26/2011
Crystal Skull was by no means a 'bad film'. It was just a bad Indiana Jones' movie. By Steven admitting to just doing a movie because George feels right about it makes me question his credibility and his willingness to put his name on anything these days, whether that means the end result is good or bad doesn't seem to necessarily phase him. I'm hoping George learned his lesson and will not include aliens in Indy V.
Crystal Skull was by no means a 'bad film'. It was just a bad Indiana Jones' movie. By Steven admitting to just doing a movie because George feels right about it makes me question his credibility and his willingness to put his name on anything these days, whether that means the end result is good or bad doesn't seem to necessarily phase him. I'm hoping George learned his lesson and will not include aliens in Indy V.
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1:52PM on 10/26/2011
I can't find this article anywhere, but Spielberg has done this before with Temple Of Doom, in regards to such a darker tone than Raiders, where he apparently told Lucas, who was going through a horrible divorce during filming, "Don't bring your marriage into the movie," roughly along those lines. Phew, run on sentence! As far as Indy 5 is concerned, Lucas always gets story credit, let's just hope they get someone better than David Keopp to tackle the actual script. Edgar Wright?
I can't find this article anywhere, but Spielberg has done this before with Temple Of Doom, in regards to such a darker tone than Raiders, where he apparently told Lucas, who was going through a horrible divorce during filming, "Don't bring your marriage into the movie," roughly along those lines. Phew, run on sentence! As far as Indy 5 is concerned, Lucas always gets story credit, let's just hope they get someone better than David Keopp to tackle the actual script. Edgar Wright?
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1:48PM on 10/26/2011

Not surprising

In an interview Lucas states that they were wanting to go in different directions with the film stating that "Steve was more the old school while was the new. He wanted to keep it in familiar territory while I wanted to take it somewhere new" or something to that effect.
In the end it raises the question on how far do you take a sequel out of the mold that made it great and into something new? I'd say that in this case they should of stuck with what worked since it was just so long since the
In an interview Lucas states that they were wanting to go in different directions with the film stating that "Steve was more the old school while was the new. He wanted to keep it in familiar territory while I wanted to take it somewhere new" or something to that effect.
In the end it raises the question on how far do you take a sequel out of the mold that made it great and into something new? I'd say that in this case they should of stuck with what worked since it was just so long since the last installment. If you're churning out sequels in less time then taking it somewhere new might be good.
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2:53PM on 10/26/2011
To be honest, reviving a franchise and keeping it in familiar territory was the exact same that a lot of people felt what killed Superman Returns. I myself have no problem with Supes, but a lot of complaints were that all Brian Singer did was remake the first movie, so it was TOO familiar territory. I guess you have to find the fine line.
To be honest, reviving a franchise and keeping it in familiar territory was the exact same that a lot of people felt what killed Superman Returns. I myself have no problem with Supes, but a lot of complaints were that all Brian Singer did was remake the first movie, so it was TOO familiar territory. I guess you have to find the fine line.
2:59PM on 10/26/2011
Well i see them in the same spectrum but Superman being much worse in that it really was just a remake in some cases.

Indy 4 wasn't like that, it was a continuing adventure of Indy but it seemed to step too far outside of the of the Indy box for some.
Well i see them in the same spectrum but Superman being much worse in that it really was just a remake in some cases.

Indy 4 wasn't like that, it was a continuing adventure of Indy but it seemed to step too far outside of the of the Indy box for some.
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1:47PM on 10/26/2011
i just feel like the monkeys and that vine swinging shit ruined it...and how do you top finding an inter dimensional being/alien craft in south america if they do a 5th indy?
i just feel like the monkeys and that vine swinging shit ruined it...and how do you top finding an inter dimensional being/alien craft in south america if they do a 5th indy?
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1:44PM on 10/26/2011

I actually kinda like Crystal Skull now.

I still can't stand the crappy CG Monkeys and Praise Dogs, but they don't ruin it for me.
People hate Shia because it's Shia and we were afraid they were grooming him to replace Indy (which wasn't gonna happen).
And Aliens do actually fit in the storyline, since they are treated as the Mayans' gods.
I still can't stand the crappy CG Monkeys and Praise Dogs, but they don't ruin it for me.
People hate Shia because it's Shia and we were afraid they were grooming him to replace Indy (which wasn't gonna happen).
And Aliens do actually fit in the storyline, since they are treated as the Mayans' gods.
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1:35PM on 10/26/2011
I agree with the comment below, I mean what is the statute of limitations for not giving a s**t about who was to blame for this movie. At the same time, I'm surprised to see that so many people enjoyed it, even as a stand alone movie I thought it was horrible.
I agree with the comment below, I mean what is the statute of limitations for not giving a s**t about who was to blame for this movie. At the same time, I'm surprised to see that so many people enjoyed it, even as a stand alone movie I thought it was horrible.
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1:25PM on 10/26/2011
I'll always believe that Indy 4, on its own, is a pretty solid adventure movie. Were it not Indy, I'd have enjoyed it quite a lot. I didn't even mind the aliens in theory but man that monkey stuff was awful.
I'll always believe that Indy 4, on its own, is a pretty solid adventure movie. Were it not Indy, I'd have enjoyed it quite a lot. I didn't even mind the aliens in theory but man that monkey stuff was awful.
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12:57PM on 10/26/2011
Indy IV was a pile of shit. I remember that sinking feeling I had in the theater during opening night.. almost embarrassment for the franchise and myself as a fan. I defended it for awhile out of loyalty to the Indy trilogy and pure denial... but the more you watch it the more you realize how terrible it actually is. The characters aside from Indy were paper thin with no development at all. Mac was useless to the overall storyline and I didn't buy into his relationship with Indy for a
Indy IV was a pile of shit. I remember that sinking feeling I had in the theater during opening night.. almost embarrassment for the franchise and myself as a fan. I defended it for awhile out of loyalty to the Indy trilogy and pure denial... but the more you watch it the more you realize how terrible it actually is. The characters aside from Indy were paper thin with no development at all. Mac was useless to the overall storyline and I didn't buy into his relationship with Indy for a second. Marion was a shell of herself and was turned into a cartoon character, wide-eyed and hilariously spewing clunky lines of dialogue. The script, lack of suspense, tension, or believability.. it's all there.
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3:09PM on 10/26/2011
Whoever has given you 'thumbs down' are morons who hate cinema.
Whoever has given you 'thumbs down' are morons who hate cinema.
12:41PM on 10/26/2011
I enjoy Indy 4 through and through. I like adventures movie and all 4 Indy films deliver it.
I enjoy Indy 4 through and through. I like adventures movie and all 4 Indy films deliver it.
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12:25PM on 10/26/2011
Lucas is slipping in his old age, he needs to have a co-writer make sense of his plot and re-work scenes that don't make sense. I mean come on! DeBeef swinging with monkeys?!?
Lucas is slipping in his old age, he needs to have a co-writer make sense of his plot and re-work scenes that don't make sense. I mean come on! DeBeef swinging with monkeys?!?
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12:22PM on 10/26/2011

This bullshit has to stop...

The 4th movie was fine. Sure it wasn't the best but so what? People complain endlessly about this and it's tiresome. So there were fucking aliens...what's wrong with that?
You try looking at one of your best friends and telling him that his story or script sucks or makes no sense. That's tough and I sympathize with Steven.
The 4th movie was fine. Sure it wasn't the best but so what? People complain endlessly about this and it's tiresome. So there were fucking aliens...what's wrong with that?
You try looking at one of your best friends and telling him that his story or script sucks or makes no sense. That's tough and I sympathize with Steven.
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