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Zack Snyder on why Batman breaks his cardinal rule in Dawn of Justice

03.25.2016

There's a lot of fans up in arms over whether or not Batman would or should kill. He's certainly done his fair share over the movies that have been released so far, even if it was indirectly, but odds are that's still going to continue going forward. With the release of BATMAN V SUPERMAN, director Zack Snyder weighed on why he thinks it's okay for the Dark Knight to deal out the ultimate punishment from time to time.

I tried to do it in a technical way. There’s a great YouTube video that shows all the kills in the Christopher Nolan movies even though we would perceive them as movies where he doesn’t kill anyone. I think there’s 42 potential kills that Batman does! Also, it goes back and includes even the Tim Burton Batman movies where this reputation as a guy that doesn’t kill comes from.

So, I tried to do it by proxy. Shoot the car they’re in, the car blows up or the grenade would go off in the guy’s hand, or when he shoots the tank and the guy pretty much lights the tank [himself]. I perceive it as him not killing directly, but if the bad guy’s are associated with a thing that happens to blow up, he would say that that’s not really my problem.

A little more like manslaughter than murder, although I would say that in the Frank Miller comic book that I reference, he kills all the time. There’s a scene from the graphic novel where he busts through a wall, takes the guy’s machine gun…I took that little vignette from a scene in The Dark Knight Returns, and at the end of that, he shoots the guy right between the eyes with the machine gun. One shot. Of course, I went to the gas tank, and all of the guys I work with were like, ‘You’ve gotta shoot him in the head’ because they’re all comic book dorks, and I was like, ‘I’m not gonna be the guy that does that!’

So what do you think? Does Batman actually killing criminals take away from his character, or do you find it fitting? I suppose it depends on the situation, but I certainly don't have any qualms about him permanently taking down bad guys if it's not gratuitous. Then again, I'm not as fluent with the comic character as other fans, so what do I know? I'm pretty sure that's the least of the criticisms when it comes to DC's latest!

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2:23AM on 03/28/2016

The real reason:

Snyder: "Because I just don't give a shit."
Snyder: "Because I just don't give a shit."
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10:50AM on 03/27/2016
Batman breaks his cardinal rule in this movie for the very same reason Superman breaks his cardinal rule in 'Man of Steel' - the people making these movies don't want to make movies about Batman and Superman, they want to make movies about "badass" meatheads.
Batman breaks his cardinal rule in this movie for the very same reason Superman breaks his cardinal rule in 'Man of Steel' - the people making these movies don't want to make movies about Batman and Superman, they want to make movies about "badass" meatheads.
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11:30PM on 03/26/2016
Fine with it if we get some explanation why this grizzled Batman doesn't give a shit anymore.
Fine with it if we get some explanation why this grizzled Batman doesn't give a shit anymore.
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8:38PM on 03/26/2016
I've read and seen so many different takes on batman that I'm perfectly fine with it.
I've read and seen so many different takes on batman that I'm perfectly fine with it.
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5:17PM on 03/26/2016
Wasn't Batman's cardinal rule only that he wouldn't use guns, not necessarily that he wouldn't kill anyone? Wasn't the whole point of fighting Superman to kill him anyway?

Wasn't the sequence where Batman uses his assailant's guns part of a dream sequence anyway?
Wasn't Batman's cardinal rule only that he wouldn't use guns, not necessarily that he wouldn't kill anyone? Wasn't the whole point of fighting Superman to kill him anyway?

Wasn't the sequence where Batman uses his assailant's guns part of a dream sequence anyway?
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1:34PM on 03/26/2016
So, are critics and fans ignoring he killed dozens of people already? there is Youtube videos highlighting Batmans "kills", From Ace Chemicals, to Talia, even the Batman tv show.
So, are critics and fans ignoring he killed dozens of people already? there is Youtube videos highlighting Batmans "kills", From Ace Chemicals, to Talia, even the Batman tv show.
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12:14PM on 03/26/2016
Most people know what Batman's "Cardinal Rule" is. Shouldn't the title have been less spoilerific? I haven't seen the movie yet and now I know Batman kills somebody. Just sayin'.
Most people know what Batman's "Cardinal Rule" is. Shouldn't the title have been less spoilerific? I haven't seen the movie yet and now I know Batman kills somebody. Just sayin'.
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12:41PM on 03/26/2016
Bumbray already spoiled that bit in his review.
Bumbray already spoiled that bit in his review.
10:28AM on 03/26/2016
Remember how Affleck's Daredevil outright killed criminals by pushing them in front of a train because Frank Miller told Mark Steven Johnson to do so? Yeah, screw Frank Miller. As far as movie Batman goes, he's fine as long as he didn't shoot a bastard point blank in the face. Or break his neck.
Remember how Affleck's Daredevil outright killed criminals by pushing them in front of a train because Frank Miller told Mark Steven Johnson to do so? Yeah, screw Frank Miller. As far as movie Batman goes, he's fine as long as he didn't shoot a bastard point blank in the face. Or break his neck.
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9:23AM on 03/26/2016
My personal take - I find the idea of there being a period in Bruce's /Batman's life where at least part of his psyche is a broken gun-toting judge/ jury/ executioner stopped-giving-a-shit kinda dude refreshing. It's something I haven't seen other than in certain runs of the comics. Much like I didn't need to see the death of his parents again (and again...and I think again) I didn't want to see the exact character I have already witnessed in 8 movies prior (yes I'm including the 1966 film).
My personal take - I find the idea of there being a period in Bruce's /Batman's life where at least part of his psyche is a broken gun-toting judge/ jury/ executioner stopped-giving-a-shit kinda dude refreshing. It's something I haven't seen other than in certain runs of the comics. Much like I didn't need to see the death of his parents again (and again...and I think again) I didn't want to see the exact character I have already witnessed in 8 movies prior (yes I'm including the 1966 film).
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5:00AM on 03/26/2016
Batman did kill bunch of villains in Batman Returns. The Batman's Honest Trailer made me realized that.
Batman did kill bunch of villains in Batman Returns. The Batman's Honest Trailer made me realized that.
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4:58AM on 03/26/2016

Snyder should really stop constantly comparing to other movies

Just stand behind your own movie. don't be a little kid who goes "But he did this! and she did that!"
Besides that the notion of Batman not killing anyone doesn't come from the Burton movies at all. I remember back in the day one of the main complaints about those movies was Batman killing people left and right. I mean I personally don't even care wether Batman kills or not. But Snyders defence is just plain stupid. Like the movie he just made. (sorry couldn't resist!)
Just stand behind your own movie. don't be a little kid who goes "But he did this! and she did that!"
Besides that the notion of Batman not killing anyone doesn't come from the Burton movies at all. I remember back in the day one of the main complaints about those movies was Batman killing people left and right. I mean I personally don't even care wether Batman kills or not. But Snyders defence is just plain stupid. Like the movie he just made. (sorry couldn't resist!)
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1:57PM on 03/26/2016
Batman killed in the Burton films. The non-killing thing is from the comics. But he will still cripple you.
Batman killed in the Burton films. The non-killing thing is from the comics. But he will still cripple you.
2:06AM on 03/26/2016

For anyone who says Batman doesn't kill

You are wrong [link]
You are wrong [link]
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1:36PM on 03/26/2016
Very wrong, and are being busted for being trolls on top of that. Burton, Shcoonmaker, and even teh sainted Nolan all had Batman take lives. This whole "One Rule" BS is only being applied to Batman V Superman.
Very wrong, and are being busted for being trolls on top of that. Burton, Shcoonmaker, and even teh sainted Nolan all had Batman take lives. This whole "One Rule" BS is only being applied to Batman V Superman.
8:53PM on 03/25/2016
Snyder seems interested in showcasing these heroes as struggling to uphold the image they're supposed to. I guess that's not everyone's cup o' tea.
Snyder seems interested in showcasing these heroes as struggling to uphold the image they're supposed to. I guess that's not everyone's cup o' tea.
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6:40PM on 03/25/2016
Wasn't the whole sequence with Batman in the desert shooting people just a dream?
Wasn't the whole sequence with Batman in the desert shooting people just a dream?
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6:26PM on 03/25/2016
Remember how powerful it was, that in the aftermath of the horrible cinema massacre that accompanied TDKR, the media played the clip from TDKR where Batman stops Catwoman from shooting someone and says: "No guns. No killing." The power of those words were in this hero essentially saying "This is not how it should be." Yes, Batman is a fantasy, but it's an important one that real life worth, and when this hero that kids worship is killing and shooting people, then it does damage to the notion of
Remember how powerful it was, that in the aftermath of the horrible cinema massacre that accompanied TDKR, the media played the clip from TDKR where Batman stops Catwoman from shooting someone and says: "No guns. No killing." The power of those words were in this hero essentially saying "This is not how it should be." Yes, Batman is a fantasy, but it's an important one that real life worth, and when this hero that kids worship is killing and shooting people, then it does damage to the notion of what heroism looks like, and given all we face today, a little heroism would go a long way. No guns. No killing.
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1:56PM on 03/26/2016
Right, I guess it's no killing, unless you are in a vehicle he is shooting at or driving.
Right, I guess it's no killing, unless you are in a vehicle he is shooting at or driving.
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6:14PM on 03/25/2016
I'll reiterate: Batman doesn't kill. It's not just a code, it's part of his character. It's a dynamic that makes him interesting. Bruce Wayne is a disciplined character and part of that discipline is doing everything in his power to prevent death. And Snyder's excuses are not only BS, they verge on insulting. It's basically saying that, despite this one thing being so ingrained in the character for the decades the comic has been around, because there are times in the films when someone might
I'll reiterate: Batman doesn't kill. It's not just a code, it's part of his character. It's a dynamic that makes him interesting. Bruce Wayne is a disciplined character and part of that discipline is doing everything in his power to prevent death. And Snyder's excuses are not only BS, they verge on insulting. It's basically saying that, despite this one thing being so ingrained in the character for the decades the comic has been around, because there are times in the films when someone might die because of something Batman did, then it's okay for him to kill in the film. That's bogus and just goes to show that Snyder doesn't care. It was a dumb, avoidable decision in the story and Snyder could have easily done it differently, keeping in line with something so fundamental with the character. Instead, he decided to be self-indulgent. And lo and behold, it doesn't work.
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6:19PM on 03/25/2016
Absolutely spot on!!
Absolutely spot on!!
11:28PM on 03/25/2016
Batman has indirectly killed in nearly every single Batman movie since Tim Burton. Both Burton films Batman kills, Batman Forever he uses coins to distract Two-face who ends up plummeting to his death, Batman and Robin killed the franchise (I really can't remember if thugs were killed or not but Ivy and Freeze lived). Now on to Nolanverse.
Batman chooses to not save Raz indirectly causing Raz to die. TDK Batman is the reason Two-face dies even if his actions was to save the kid. TDKR his chase
Batman has indirectly killed in nearly every single Batman movie since Tim Burton. Both Burton films Batman kills, Batman Forever he uses coins to distract Two-face who ends up plummeting to his death, Batman and Robin killed the franchise (I really can't remember if thugs were killed or not but Ivy and Freeze lived). Now on to Nolanverse.
Batman chooses to not save Raz indirectly causing Raz to die. TDK Batman is the reason Two-face dies even if his actions was to save the kid. TDKR his chase with Talia results in her death.
I'm not saying I agree with it but I don't ignore that the movies have had Batman, in some form or another, be the result of someones death.
In BvS, chasing after the Kryptonite in the Batmobile, highly likely people died. Saving Martha, some being tossed around with finger on the trigger shooting other guys probably killed as well as grenades the guy went back for and the head slam into the floor, Batman killed that guy for sure. The nightmare sequence does not count.
I do like the animated series and JLA series that has Batman do whatever he can to not kill and I think the morality of no guns no killing is important, but don't condemn this movie for Batmans actions when previous films are less brutal but still kill
2:05AM on 03/26/2016
So apparently you wiki and don't read, so here's all the times batman has killed [link]

Both he and superman have broken that rule on more than one occasion, and Snyder references a comic HE KILLS IN, the same comic he based this version of batman off of, one that has used a gun as well, smh
So apparently you wiki and don't read, so here's all the times batman has killed [link]

Both he and superman have broken that rule on more than one occasion, and Snyder references a comic HE KILLS IN, the same comic he based this version of batman off of, one that has used a gun as well, smh
3:20PM on 03/25/2016
I honestly have no problem with Batman losing his temper and killing criminals and/or villains from time to time considering that this is an older, grizzled, and more burnt out Bruce Wayne/Batman who has probably seen the worst of it.
I honestly have no problem with Batman losing his temper and killing criminals and/or villains from time to time considering that this is an older, grizzled, and more burnt out Bruce Wayne/Batman who has probably seen the worst of it.
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7:46PM on 03/25/2016
in general i agree. but not for this movie. this whole movie is built on the idea that Batman thinks Superman is too powerful. Supes has the ability to kill whoever he wants. even if he's a good guy now, he could change in the future, so he can't be trusted.

in the same vein, Batman could kill whoever he wanted too. though he's not as powerful as Superman, he's much more powerful than any normal person. they're actually in the same position.

but Batman knows that he would never kill
in general i agree. but not for this movie. this whole movie is built on the idea that Batman thinks Superman is too powerful. Supes has the ability to kill whoever he wants. even if he's a good guy now, he could change in the future, so he can't be trusted.

in the same vein, Batman could kill whoever he wanted too. though he's not as powerful as Superman, he's much more powerful than any normal person. they're actually in the same position.

but Batman knows that he would never kill anyone. he can trust himself to honor his code. so when Batman actually does start killing in this movie, it just makes him a big hypocrite. his whole argument is lost.
8:07PM on 03/25/2016
I don't agree that Batman is a hypocrite in this film. With Supes, he was concerned about the future of the human race and Batman doesn't possess the power to create global devastation like that. I also tend to think senseless murder would catch up to him faster than superman because most cops in Gotham look the other way when he's pummeling criminals, but I think they would change their tune and form massive manhunts for him if he took the lives of innocents, which would essentially force him
I don't agree that Batman is a hypocrite in this film. With Supes, he was concerned about the future of the human race and Batman doesn't possess the power to create global devastation like that. I also tend to think senseless murder would catch up to him faster than superman because most cops in Gotham look the other way when he's pummeling criminals, but I think they would change their tune and form massive manhunts for him if he took the lives of innocents, which would essentially force him to lay low.
2:46PM on 03/25/2016
"I'm not going to kill you. But I don't have to save you."

- Batman Begins
"I'm not going to kill you. But I don't have to save you."

- Batman Begins
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8:45PM on 03/25/2016
Also he is a direct result of Harvey Dents death in TDK as well as Talia indirectly in TDKR. Batmans hands aren't clean in the Nolanverse either yet no one bats an eye.
Also he is a direct result of Harvey Dents death in TDK as well as Talia indirectly in TDKR. Batmans hands aren't clean in the Nolanverse either yet no one bats an eye.
2:33PM on 03/25/2016
I'm half and half on it, the killing doesn't make him any better than the criminals but I'm also interested in a Batman that's struggling to have hope in the world.
I'm half and half on it, the killing doesn't make him any better than the criminals but I'm also interested in a Batman that's struggling to have hope in the world.
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1:33PM on 03/25/2016
Movies are not comic books. Movies tell a linear story where as comics must tell a never ending story. The whole reason they adopted this is because they needed their villains for further battles. Leaving the Joker alive in the comic books actually defies hero logic as it would be better to sacrifice himself to rid the world of the Joker once and for all. His reasons for not doing so are so twisted up in BS its become a parody.
Movies are not comic books. Movies tell a linear story where as comics must tell a never ending story. The whole reason they adopted this is because they needed their villains for further battles. Leaving the Joker alive in the comic books actually defies hero logic as it would be better to sacrifice himself to rid the world of the Joker once and for all. His reasons for not doing so are so twisted up in BS its become a parody.
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1:30PM on 03/25/2016

What's the big deal?

I know this may get fanboys riled up, but so what if Batman kills people? He's been killing people since the Burton films. As long as he's kills the bad guys, then I'm totally fine.
I know this may get fanboys riled up, but so what if Batman kills people? He's been killing people since the Burton films. As long as he's kills the bad guys, then I'm totally fine.
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1:34PM on 03/25/2016
He doesn't kill. That's his cardinal rule. That's what makes Batman an interesting character: he doesn't kill the bad guys. I'm sorry that you're so ignorant.
He doesn't kill. That's his cardinal rule. That's what makes Batman an interesting character: he doesn't kill the bad guys. I'm sorry that you're so ignorant.
1:57PM on 03/25/2016
I'm not ignorant, I just don't care. Plus Daredevil and Superman have the same exact cardinal rules.
I'm not ignorant, I just don't care. Plus Daredevil and Superman have the same exact cardinal rules.
2:24PM on 03/25/2016
It begs the question why kill thugs but not the Joker. Superheroes generally don't kill.
It begs the question why kill thugs but not the Joker. Superheroes generally don't kill.
3:44PM on 03/25/2016
If you don't care, then I'd suggest shutting up. You're posting on a movie site. Go watch something else.
If you don't care, then I'd suggest shutting up. You're posting on a movie site. Go watch something else.
4:04PM on 03/25/2016
@otterhead so, do you not find any other Batman movies good? As was pointed out in the article..he kills in all the other movies.
@otterhead so, do you not find any other Batman movies good? As was pointed out in the article..he kills in all the other movies.
4:40PM on 03/25/2016
@otterhead, I post here cause I'm fan of this site and I can voice my opinion. So don't get all sensitive. This is just my opinion. No need for personal attacks.
@otterhead, I post here cause I'm fan of this site and I can voice my opinion. So don't get all sensitive. This is just my opinion. No need for personal attacks.
10:25AM on 03/27/2016
You missed the point entirely. Who decides who the bad guys are? You?
You missed the point entirely. Who decides who the bad guys are? You?
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1:20PM on 03/25/2016
Whilst I agree that the Nolan movie also stupidly have Batman killing, Snyder should be nowhere near these characters.
Whilst I agree that the Nolan movie also stupidly have Batman killing, Snyder should be nowhere near these characters.
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1:15PM on 03/25/2016
Then why hasn't Batman killed The Joker? The most violent mass murder he's ever encountered, and Batman lets him live. Yet Batman will kill no named thugs indiscriminately. The entire plot of BvS wraps around Batman trying to assassinate another hero. Yet he lets The Joker live. Really, Snyder has no idea what he is doing or talking about. He's in over his head, and he is in pure damage control mode right now.
Then why hasn't Batman killed The Joker? The most violent mass murder he's ever encountered, and Batman lets him live. Yet Batman will kill no named thugs indiscriminately. The entire plot of BvS wraps around Batman trying to assassinate another hero. Yet he lets The Joker live. Really, Snyder has no idea what he is doing or talking about. He's in over his head, and he is in pure damage control mode right now.
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1:25PM on 03/25/2016
You saw the Joker in BatVSSuperman? Wow, I missed that scene. Where was it?
You saw the Joker in BatVSSuperman? Wow, I missed that scene. Where was it?
1:40PM on 03/25/2016
It's called Suicide Squad.
It's called Suicide Squad.
2:02PM on 03/25/2016
You couldn't be more right!! I guess that makes you a Marvel fanboy! Haha
You couldn't be more right!! I guess that makes you a Marvel fanboy! Haha
2:20PM on 03/25/2016
He kills him in killing joke
He kills him in killing joke
6:07PM on 03/25/2016
@bealzf No he doesn't. They leave it ambiguous, but knowing Bruce Wayne/Batman, he doesn't kill him.
@bealzf No he doesn't. They leave it ambiguous, but knowing Bruce Wayne/Batman, he doesn't kill him.
12:59AM on 03/26/2016
He absolutely Kills joker, tho it's technically a one off. Go back and read it. The title - the joke that made bats realize he had to kill joker to stop him. No way would DC let him kill him like supes did Zod, u can even tell he doesn't want to but he needs to. It's not a loud obvious murder, but he def does it. And think what he did that story. If he didn't kill him what was the point of all the parallel pannels to the joke at the end? The point to all the last page or so? They
He absolutely Kills joker, tho it's technically a one off. Go back and read it. The title - the joke that made bats realize he had to kill joker to stop him. No way would DC let him kill him like supes did Zod, u can even tell he doesn't want to but he needs to. It's not a loud obvious murder, but he def does it. And think what he did that story. If he didn't kill him what was the point of all the parallel pannels to the joke at the end? The point to all the last page or so? They could've stopped a page earlier. The book is full of parallels and the only argument I can think of that he doesn't realize he has to kill joker to stop him is that we don't see actually see it, but again the writers couldn't have gotten away with that so they did it very quietly. And again, it wasn't a rage kill. He killed joker man
3:50AM on 03/26/2016
Batman does very clearly say that Superman poses a threat to the entirety of the Earth and mankind. So, Batman sees Superman as a much greater threat than the Joker...which honestly isn't that irrational at that point in time.
Batman does very clearly say that Superman poses a threat to the entirety of the Earth and mankind. So, Batman sees Superman as a much greater threat than the Joker...which honestly isn't that irrational at that point in time.
1:12PM on 03/25/2016

I say.. who cares!!

Honestly, who cares There is no where that says "Batman AKA Bruce Wayne does not kill..." This is there version of Batman, so let them be and just enjoy the damn movie for what it is. The movie will never be perfect because it will always be missing something... everyone has a different opinion and ideas of story telling. So let WB/DC do their thing.. look how comic books evolve over the years, why wouldn't it work for film? Also, keep in mind that the people behind all these films are using
Honestly, who cares There is no where that says "Batman AKA Bruce Wayne does not kill..." This is there version of Batman, so let them be and just enjoy the damn movie for what it is. The movie will never be perfect because it will always be missing something... everyone has a different opinion and ideas of story telling. So let WB/DC do their thing.. look how comic books evolve over the years, why wouldn't it work for film? Also, keep in mind that the people behind all these films are using characters based from DC Comics.. they are not making EXACT adaptations of these characters. So with that said.. let them do their thing and stop complaining about things you will NEVER be able to change.
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2:11PM on 03/25/2016
Yeah, sure! Take the S and the Bat and just do whatever the hell you want with them! Why not just call them Superbrah and Batdude? That's pretty updated wouldn't you say? Screw the people who know and love these characters, that have grown up with them as part of their lives, what do they matter, they're only the ones that have invested in them all along? I mean this is just DC for nickleback fans after all, so make it all up for the mindless millennials that think they own everything anyway,
Yeah, sure! Take the S and the Bat and just do whatever the hell you want with them! Why not just call them Superbrah and Batdude? That's pretty updated wouldn't you say? Screw the people who know and love these characters, that have grown up with them as part of their lives, what do they matter, they're only the ones that have invested in them all along? I mean this is just DC for nickleback fans after all, so make it all up for the mindless millennials that think they own everything anyway, they'll pay to see a bunch of explosions inside a paper bag, screw plot, screw it all! Cha-Ching
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1:06PM on 03/25/2016
Batman doesn't kill. That's not just a cardinal rule, it's what his entire character is centered around: he's a detective, not a hitman. Making him a murderer-by-proxy by "technically" not directly killing people doesn't hack it and is sloppy storytelling. Zack Snyder should not be directing these movies.
Batman doesn't kill. That's not just a cardinal rule, it's what his entire character is centered around: he's a detective, not a hitman. Making him a murderer-by-proxy by "technically" not directly killing people doesn't hack it and is sloppy storytelling. Zack Snyder should not be directing these movies.
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1:12PM on 03/25/2016
Agreed! Did Snyder really think no comic book fans would call bullshit here? I guess now we know what Frank Castle as Batman would be like. I think it's a comment on how blood thirsty our culture has become when everyone is just cool with murderous Batman. It's a loss to go this route. Batman's hatred of killing makes him more interesting and complex character. I'm sorry I don't view murder as heroic at all.
Agreed! Did Snyder really think no comic book fans would call bullshit here? I guess now we know what Frank Castle as Batman would be like. I think it's a comment on how blood thirsty our culture has become when everyone is just cool with murderous Batman. It's a loss to go this route. Batman's hatred of killing makes him more interesting and complex character. I'm sorry I don't view murder as heroic at all.
4:32PM on 03/25/2016
He doesn't go out of his way to kill people in the movie and if they die in a fight with him it's mostly indirectly like Snyder said. The problem with the cardinal rule being upheld in a film that's going for some semblance of realism within a comic context is that stuff starts to not make any sense. For instance, you could have someone else direct the batmobile chase from the movie and decide that the batmobile won't have guns on it. So what now? How does he take out the other vehicles to get
He doesn't go out of his way to kill people in the movie and if they die in a fight with him it's mostly indirectly like Snyder said. The problem with the cardinal rule being upheld in a film that's going for some semblance of realism within a comic context is that stuff starts to not make any sense. For instance, you could have someone else direct the batmobile chase from the movie and decide that the batmobile won't have guns on it. So what now? How does he take out the other vehicles to get to the main one? If you're going to tell me some bullshit about how he could simply ram them off the road doing 80 and that it wouldn't possibly kill them, now I have to call bullshit. I don't want them going for a grittier take and then stopping to pump the brakes like Marvel because it just kills what they're trying to do. Marvel pretends that almost no one would die in their films with their heroes around, DC does not. There's also another seen in BVS in which Batman knocks someone down and they drop a grenade. Is it his fault for it going off? What was he supposed to do? Jump over ten bad guys and desperately try to knock it away while being simultaneously shot and stabbed? Trying to do that doesn't make you a hero, it makes you stupid.
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12:51PM on 03/25/2016
Batman doesn't shoot anyone in the head in The Dark Knight Returns. This guy is such a hack. Batman tries to kill the Joker in DKR but can't go through with it.
Batman doesn't shoot anyone in the head in The Dark Knight Returns. This guy is such a hack. Batman tries to kill the Joker in DKR but can't go through with it.
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12:48PM on 03/25/2016
Batman never killed in Frank Millers TDKR comic. Snyder is an idiot. If you can't make a scene where Batman doesn't kill anyone, then you are doing it wrong. This is fiction we are talking about, the storyteller has complete control over who dies and who lives. To act like it is out of your hands is just hilariously stupid.
Batman never killed in Frank Millers TDKR comic. Snyder is an idiot. If you can't make a scene where Batman doesn't kill anyone, then you are doing it wrong. This is fiction we are talking about, the storyteller has complete control over who dies and who lives. To act like it is out of your hands is just hilariously stupid.
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