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Christopher Nolan talks film vs. digital, his take on CGI, his disinterest in 3D, and much more in insightful DGA interview

Apr. 15, 2012by: George Merchan

Many judge Christopher Nolan (THE DARK KNIGHT RISES) to be one of the more intelligent filmmakers working in the business today. It's not hard to see why, as there's always been clarity of intent, vision, and ideas in every one of his films. So when the man sits down to share his thoughts on the craft of film and the tools used to create them, it's worth checking out.

Below we have excerpts from a recent DGA interview conducted with Nolan, where he discusses among other things his preference for film over digital (and what he's doing to insure it remains a real choice for filmmakers), his thoughts on the uses of CGI, and of course, 3D.

On film vs. digital: "For the last 10 years, Ive felt increasing pressure to stop shooting film and start shooting video, but Ive never understood why. Its cheaper to work on film, its far better looking, its the technology thats been known and understood for a hundred years, and its extremely reliable. I think, truthfully, it boils down to the economic interest of manufacturers and [a production] industry that makes more money through change rather than through maintaining the status quo. We save a lot of money shooting on film and projecting film and not doing digital intermediates. In fact, Ive never done a digital intermediate. Photochemically, you can time film with a good timer in three or four passes, which takes about 12 to 14 hours as opposed to seven or eight weeks in a DI suite. Thats the way everyone was doing it 10 years ago, and Ive just carried on making films in the way that works best and waiting until theres a good reason to change. But I havent seen that reason yet."

On preserving film as a viable shooting option: "Ive kept my mouth shut about this for a long time and its fine that everyone has a choice, but for me the choice is in real danger of disappearing. So right before Christmas I brought some filmmakers together [which included Edgar Wright, Joe Dante, Michael Bay, and Bryan Singer to name a few] and showed them the prologue for The Dark Knight Rises that we shot on IMAX film, then cut from the original negative and printed. I wanted to give them a chance to see the potential, because I think IMAX is the best film format that was ever invented. Its the gold standard and what any other technology has to match up to, but none have, in my opinion. The message I wanted to put out there was that no one is taking anyones digital cameras away. But if we want film to continue as an option, and someone is working on a big studio movie with the resources and the power to insist [on] film, they should say so. I felt as if I didnt say anything, and then we started to lose that option, it would be a shame. When I look at a digitally acquired and projected image, it looks inferior against an original negative anamorphic print or an IMAX one."

On his approach to CGI: "The thing with computer-generated imagery is that its an incredibly powerful tool for making better visual effects. But I believe in an absolute difference between animation and photography. However sophisticated your computer-generated imagery is, if its been created from no physical elements and you havent shot anything, its going to feel like animation. There are usually two different goals in a visual effects movie. One is to fool the audience into seeing something seamless, and thats how I try to use it. The other is to impress the audience with the amount of money spent on the spectacle of the visual effect, and that, I have no interest in."

On his disinterest in 3D: "Warner Bros. would have been very happy [to shoot THE DARK KNIGHT RISES in 3-D], but I said to the guys there that I wanted it to be stylistically consistent with the first two films and we were really going to push the IMAX thing to create a very high-quality image. I find stereoscopic imaging too small scale and intimate in its effect. 3-D is a misnomer. Films are 3-D. The whole point of photography is that its three-dimensional. The thing with stereoscopic imaging is it gives each audience member an individual perspective. Its well suited to video games and other immersive technologies, but if youre looking for an audience experience, stereoscopic is hard to embrace. I prefer the big canvas, looking up at an enormous screen and at an image that feels larger than life. When you treat that stereoscopically, and weve tried a lot of tests, you shrink the size so the image becomes a much smaller window in front of you."

You can read the entire fascinating DGA interview with Nolan RIGHT HERE where he goes into detail on everything from how he works with his actors to how he's never done reshoots for one of his films.
Source: DGA

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5:47PM on 04/16/2012
It's great to see a director with integrity be commercially accepted. He now has the power to say to studios; "hey, fuck that, I'm shooting this picture how I want and you'll pay me well to do so because at the end of the day I'll be bringing in trucks of cash for you people and without the extra $3 per ticket for 3D." At least that's how I'd like to imagine it.
It's great to see a director with integrity be commercially accepted. He now has the power to say to studios; "hey, fuck that, I'm shooting this picture how I want and you'll pay me well to do so because at the end of the day I'll be bringing in trucks of cash for you people and without the extra $3 per ticket for 3D." At least that's how I'd like to imagine it.
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4:48PM on 04/16/2012
Good insight. I will still never understand people who seem to hate Nolan. He deserves every bit of praise he gets for being one of the few filmmakers who can create a blockbuster, but do so in an intelligent and thoughtful way. It's like some people are only happy if the kind of people making films in Hollywood are guys like Fincher and Aronofsky.
Good insight. I will still never understand people who seem to hate Nolan. He deserves every bit of praise he gets for being one of the few filmmakers who can create a blockbuster, but do so in an intelligent and thoughtful way. It's like some people are only happy if the kind of people making films in Hollywood are guys like Fincher and Aronofsky.
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4:04PM on 04/16/2012
Nolan is the most overrated / hyped director ever (besides Cameron), mostly by some kids who don't know anything about movies (He did two pretty great ovies though - The prestige and Memento). But damn, he just got way more sympathetic. Thank god there are still some guys like himself left who get that film is so much better than digital (Go look at the Avenger trailers, just awful)

The day there only will be digital movies in the theatre will be the day I stop watching movies (in the
Nolan is the most overrated / hyped director ever (besides Cameron), mostly by some kids who don't know anything about movies (He did two pretty great ovies though - The prestige and Memento). But damn, he just got way more sympathetic. Thank god there are still some guys like himself left who get that film is so much better than digital (Go look at the Avenger trailers, just awful)

The day there only will be digital movies in the theatre will be the day I stop watching movies (in the theatre). There just isn't anything worse.

Edit: Okay, what I forgot.. Not that symphatetic. Since his statement about Imax is pretty much on the same level as someone who prefers digital. Imax format is fuckin awful as well. Movies have to be cinemascope, nothing else.
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4:45PM on 04/16/2012
This entire post just comes off as elitist and invalidates your opinion of film. You sound like some kind of Armond White clone. I love Nolan and film is my life. He's a great filmmaker who knows what he's doing, has great insight into his projects and doesn't just do these films for money or spectacle like so many other filmmakers out there. Assuming that anyone who likes Nolan is nothing more than a child who doesn't know film proves how arrogant and full of yourself you are. Get over
This entire post just comes off as elitist and invalidates your opinion of film. You sound like some kind of Armond White clone. I love Nolan and film is my life. He's a great filmmaker who knows what he's doing, has great insight into his projects and doesn't just do these films for money or spectacle like so many other filmmakers out there. Assuming that anyone who likes Nolan is nothing more than a child who doesn't know film proves how arrogant and full of yourself you are. Get over yourself.
6:21AM on 04/17/2012
Wow. You exaggerate A LOT. I don't care if you think Nolan is overrated, but empty statements like you'll never visit a cinema again the day everything goes digital just makes you sound ridiculous.
Wow. You exaggerate A LOT. I don't care if you think Nolan is overrated, but empty statements like you'll never visit a cinema again the day everything goes digital just makes you sound ridiculous.
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1:10PM on 04/16/2012

disagree with his stance on 3D

but he brings up some good points elsewhere in the interview. I like Chris Nolan, but he always just says 'humans can already see in 3D, movies are already in 3D' as if there's no difference between seeing a movie in 2D as opposed to 3D. I mean, it just doesn't make sense to me. I saw Hugo in 3D and Hugo in 2D and they are VERY different experience, the 3D version of which greatly, greatly adds to the experience. Now I'm not saying all movies should be in 3D (and am certainly not saying that
but he brings up some good points elsewhere in the interview. I like Chris Nolan, but he always just says 'humans can already see in 3D, movies are already in 3D' as if there's no difference between seeing a movie in 2D as opposed to 3D. I mean, it just doesn't make sense to me. I saw Hugo in 3D and Hugo in 2D and they are VERY different experience, the 3D version of which greatly, greatly adds to the experience. Now I'm not saying all movies should be in 3D (and am certainly not saying that all 3D is well done) but 3D can be a fantastic filmmaking tool. I don't care if Nolan likes it or not, it's fine if he doesn't want to explore it as a tool with the medium, but he slams it as if it's worthless to the experience, when filmmakers like Scorsese and Cameron have proven otherwise. To each their own though.
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12:41PM on 04/16/2012
I respect this man with all my heart. Period.
I respect this man with all my heart. Period.
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12:36PM on 04/16/2012

my thoughts on 3d exactly

I HATE 3d, and his reasons are why. I remember seeing Avatar, and being like, this feels really small in front of my face. It wasn't even 3d really, just a bunch of layers in front of my face to increase depth, but I lost a grand scale.

Seriously people that like 3d are just sheep thinking they are seeing something incredible when they really aren't. 3d is stupid, and hopefully it's a trend that dies.
I HATE 3d, and his reasons are why. I remember seeing Avatar, and being like, this feels really small in front of my face. It wasn't even 3d really, just a bunch of layers in front of my face to increase depth, but I lost a grand scale.

Seriously people that like 3d are just sheep thinking they are seeing something incredible when they really aren't. 3d is stupid, and hopefully it's a trend that dies.
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8:38AM on 04/16/2012
i love this man
i love this man
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7:53AM on 04/16/2012
I agree with a lot that he has to say, but he does over simplify everything. I'm pretty sure most directors want their special effects to look seamless. The problem with CGI is that the special effects companies are so quick to use it as the "all in one special effect", and they pressure filmmakers to use it for everything (because this puts more money in their pocket).
Also, I flat out disagree with him about film vs digital. This isn't a debate anymore. Digital now looks every bit as good as
I agree with a lot that he has to say, but he does over simplify everything. I'm pretty sure most directors want their special effects to look seamless. The problem with CGI is that the special effects companies are so quick to use it as the "all in one special effect", and they pressure filmmakers to use it for everything (because this puts more money in their pocket).
Also, I flat out disagree with him about film vs digital. This isn't a debate anymore. Digital now looks every bit as good as film ever did, and the technology keeps on getting better! Choosing one format over another is now a matter of personal choice, not the fact that one is better than the other.
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8:10AM on 04/16/2012
As someone whom is about to graduate film school, who has shot digitally, and who is now shooting his short film on 16mm as are many other seniors making their thesis, I can wholeheartedly tell you that film and digital do not look the same and if you think they do, you need be more attentive to the actual image. The Alexa probably does the best job of recreating the "film look" but there are still noticeable differences in the quality and image.
As someone whom is about to graduate film school, who has shot digitally, and who is now shooting his short film on 16mm as are many other seniors making their thesis, I can wholeheartedly tell you that film and digital do not look the same and if you think they do, you need be more attentive to the actual image. The Alexa probably does the best job of recreating the "film look" but there are still noticeable differences in the quality and image.
2:58PM on 04/16/2012
@Chino - You see in the article that Nolan himself gave the most telling fact about film vs. digital,

"it looks inferior against an original negative anamorphic print or an IMAX one"

I'm sorry but most of the resolution in film, is on the negative and is lost during processing. Not to mention he is talking about large format film which is obviously better quality.

But the large 4k - 5k sensor like the Red or Alexa beats standard or super 35mm any day of the week, easy.

Most of the
@Chino - You see in the article that Nolan himself gave the most telling fact about film vs. digital,

"it looks inferior against an original negative anamorphic print or an IMAX one"

I'm sorry but most of the resolution in film, is on the negative and is lost during processing. Not to mention he is talking about large format film which is obviously better quality.

But the large 4k - 5k sensor like the Red or Alexa beats standard or super 35mm any day of the week, easy.

Most of the differences between the quality of digital vs film comes down to the grain/noise structure. Hard edged pixels vs analog grain with slight gradation...

10:11PM on 04/16/2012
@ ChinoMoreno7

I'm glad that you are about to graduate film school, and I wish you the best on your 16mm project.

I personally have shot my own projects on 35mm, 16mm, Red One, Red Epic, and nearly every prosumer digital video camera since the DVX100.

Film will always have its own unique aesthetic for those few with a trained eye, but the quality of film vs the quality of digital is no longer a debate. Digital now matches the quality of film, and in ways surpasses it. Can you
@ ChinoMoreno7

I'm glad that you are about to graduate film school, and I wish you the best on your 16mm project.

I personally have shot my own projects on 35mm, 16mm, Red One, Red Epic, and nearly every prosumer digital video camera since the DVX100.

Film will always have its own unique aesthetic for those few with a trained eye, but the quality of film vs the quality of digital is no longer a debate. Digital now matches the quality of film, and in ways surpasses it. Can you honestly say that films like Prometheus, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, or Hugo would have looked better if shot on film? Hugo actually won the Oscar for best cinematography. The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was also nominated. The footage from the trailer for The Hobbit looks every bit as good as what was shot on film in the original LOTR trilogy.
5:49AM on 04/16/2012

Fascinating read!

Really gives an insight about the behind the scenes of hands on filmmaking process to a layman like myself. Not to mention his opinions about different aspects of filming (CGI, IMAX, camera work, 3D etc.) are clear, precise and sound. He has a definite vision with what he wants & how he wants it, as well as being humble and softspoken about it, instead of an egoistic, loudmouthed, pretentious like some directors working today, even after delivering some of the biggest critical & commercial
Really gives an insight about the behind the scenes of hands on filmmaking process to a layman like myself. Not to mention his opinions about different aspects of filming (CGI, IMAX, camera work, 3D etc.) are clear, precise and sound. He has a definite vision with what he wants & how he wants it, as well as being humble and softspoken about it, instead of an egoistic, loudmouthed, pretentious like some directors working today, even after delivering some of the biggest critical & commercial successes of this decade. No wonder he's one of my alltime favorite director. Take a bow, Brother!
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4:04AM on 04/16/2012
His storytelling ability leaves a lot to be desired, and I don't know if I agree that his films have the clarity or coherence suggested by the writer of this article, but I love what he's saying here. I am so over these over-graded, over-produced films Hollywood is churning out. As much as I dislike him as a writer/director, his films always look great. It's awesome to see someone so influential keeping film alive.
His storytelling ability leaves a lot to be desired, and I don't know if I agree that his films have the clarity or coherence suggested by the writer of this article, but I love what he's saying here. I am so over these over-graded, over-produced films Hollywood is churning out. As much as I dislike him as a writer/director, his films always look great. It's awesome to see someone so influential keeping film alive.
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3:22AM on 04/16/2012

Insightful interview

Chris Nolan = Intelligent, articulate and most of all - a gifted storyteller

Interesting that he doesn't do reshoots or have a second unit crew.
Chris Nolan = Intelligent, articulate and most of all - a gifted storyteller

Interesting that he doesn't do reshoots or have a second unit crew.
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2:15AM on 04/16/2012
I still think that the CGI football field looks fake as hell and should be removed from the film.
I still think that the CGI football field looks fake as hell and should be removed from the film.
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12:51AM on 04/16/2012
Christopher Nolan is not perfect, no director is, but his logic is so sound that it's hard to disagree with the guy. His breakdown of CGI being used as either a cop out or to enhance scenes so seamlessly is exactly correct. He, Fincher, and Aronofsky use CGI so well that it becomes secondary that it's actually being implemented. Additionally, I think his critique on 3D is dead on. 3D has sadly been used only as a gimmick for studios to make a greater profit, they're not truly using it to
Christopher Nolan is not perfect, no director is, but his logic is so sound that it's hard to disagree with the guy. His breakdown of CGI being used as either a cop out or to enhance scenes so seamlessly is exactly correct. He, Fincher, and Aronofsky use CGI so well that it becomes secondary that it's actually being implemented. Additionally, I think his critique on 3D is dead on. 3D has sadly been used only as a gimmick for studios to make a greater profit, they're not truly using it to enhance the audience's viewing pleasure, IMAX does that and it does it very effectively. Sadly, I think Nolan's message will just get swept under the rug because people like Bay don't care about the viewer's enjoyment, he just wants to see what he can blow up with a $200 million dollar budget.
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11:47PM on 04/15/2012
The man is truly an inspiration. Whether you agree with his views or not (and, for the most part, I do), he's classy all the way. Despite having very strong opinions, he doesn't denigrate anyone else or their work.
The man is truly an inspiration. Whether you agree with his views or not (and, for the most part, I do), he's classy all the way. Despite having very strong opinions, he doesn't denigrate anyone else or their work.
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12:03AM on 04/16/2012
exactly & that humbleness is always welcomed, he has never compared his Batman films to the others nor has he put them down in anyway, he welcomed the criticisms of Inception & gladly gave his own explanations of what he tried to create & he is putting his trust into Zach Snyder on MAn of Steel & will hopefully give him pointers during the process.
exactly & that humbleness is always welcomed, he has never compared his Batman films to the others nor has he put them down in anyway, he welcomed the criticisms of Inception & gladly gave his own explanations of what he tried to create & he is putting his trust into Zach Snyder on MAn of Steel & will hopefully give him pointers during the process.
11:32PM on 04/15/2012
Amen!
Amen!
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11:30PM on 04/15/2012
Awesome stuff. I think moviegoers, critics, and even budding filmmakers need to understand one important aspect though: No director is the RIGHT director. Nolan has his views and his views make his movies the phenomenal works of art that they are. David Fincher may have a different view, as may Scorsese or Abrams or Spielberg. While it's safe to unanimously agree that 3D sucks donkeyballs, things like 'film vs digital' are extremely subjective, and I think digital tech has evolved to a point
Awesome stuff. I think moviegoers, critics, and even budding filmmakers need to understand one important aspect though: No director is the RIGHT director. Nolan has his views and his views make his movies the phenomenal works of art that they are. David Fincher may have a different view, as may Scorsese or Abrams or Spielberg. While it's safe to unanimously agree that 3D sucks donkeyballs, things like 'film vs digital' are extremely subjective, and I think digital tech has evolved to a point where it has its own charm. What's most important, I think, is that we see this amazing diversity among the big directors of the current era translate beautifully into the movies they make. There's a massive gap between the logic of Nolan and Fincher and Spielberg, but it's that gap that allows us to have somewhat of a buffet of different movie styles, all awesome, and each with its own signature touch. Seeing people like Nolan have strong opinions means that we'll always have that "buffet", and we'll be able to expect unique films every time one of these filmmakers comes out with something new.
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11:25PM on 04/15/2012
Chris Nolan is a fucking genius.
Chris Nolan is a fucking genius.
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9:38PM on 04/15/2012

Incredibly Interesting Interview

I love reading interviews like this. The ones that really break down the nuts and bolts of film making, as opposed to interviews with softball questions like "What is like working with Leo DiCaprio?" or something. He's an incredibly insightful and well-educated filmmaker.

However, this whole film vs. digital argument is getting more and more irrelevant. These are the facts of cinemetography right now:
-Most cinemas are switching over to 4K digital projectors
-Digital cameras (Red, Arri,
I love reading interviews like this. The ones that really break down the nuts and bolts of film making, as opposed to interviews with softball questions like "What is like working with Leo DiCaprio?" or something. He's an incredibly insightful and well-educated filmmaker.

However, this whole film vs. digital argument is getting more and more irrelevant. These are the facts of cinemetography right now:
-Most cinemas are switching over to 4K digital projectors
-Digital cameras (Red, Arri, etc.) are delivering anywhere between 2-5k resolution, guaranteed.
-Some of the greatest directors out there have either fully switched to digital, or have at least done one film with the format (Fincher, Scorsese, Cameron, Spielberg, Zemeckis, Sam Mendes, etc.)

Film will always be "film" (if that makes sense) but digital has progressed so strongly in the last few years, it is nearly impossible to tell the difference anymore. I predict that digital cameras will be able to record 10-15K resolution within the next 10-20 years easy. That means IMAX-type quality for every film within the next 20 years.
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9:15PM on 04/15/2012
He doesn't use 3D because he is a story teller and 3D is just fad(again.) that can take away from the story.
He doesn't use 3D because he is a story teller and 3D is just fad(again.) that can take away from the story.
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11:50PM on 04/15/2012
It's a fad for now. While I hate 3D at the moment, I would be very excited to see a capable director (a Nolan or a Fincher) embrace it and make a film that uses it as a tool rather than a gimmick. It may never catch on, but I'm not going to write it off until someone legitimately tries to incorporate it into the fabric of their vision.
It's a fad for now. While I hate 3D at the moment, I would be very excited to see a capable director (a Nolan or a Fincher) embrace it and make a film that uses it as a tool rather than a gimmick. It may never catch on, but I'm not going to write it off until someone legitimately tries to incorporate it into the fabric of their vision.
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8:51PM on 04/15/2012
Great read & I hope every up & coming filmmaker & even studio execs read this interview. He is spot on about CGI where nowadays its become so obvious when something is done with CGI, the best use of CGI though is where the audience does not even realize it was compurer generated. I was amazed watching Dragon Tattoo & in the special feature they show how much visual effects they put into the movie. Would love to be a fly on a wall if Nolan & Fincher ever had a conversation together, 2 of the
Great read & I hope every up & coming filmmaker & even studio execs read this interview. He is spot on about CGI where nowadays its become so obvious when something is done with CGI, the best use of CGI though is where the audience does not even realize it was compurer generated. I was amazed watching Dragon Tattoo & in the special feature they show how much visual effects they put into the movie. Would love to be a fly on a wall if Nolan & Fincher ever had a conversation together, 2 of the better directors out there right now.
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9:23PM on 04/15/2012
David Fincher recognizes how CGI can be used to enhance a film. He has incorporated digital effects in most of his movies: Fight Club used it frequently, and Panic Room used CG to create some shots a camera couldn't capture. The Social Network used CG so effectively and with such subtlety that it was seamless. I didn't realize that the Winklevoss twins was actually one person. From what I understand, though, Fincher is a proponent of digital cameras and finds many uses for CGI. In that
David Fincher recognizes how CGI can be used to enhance a film. He has incorporated digital effects in most of his movies: Fight Club used it frequently, and Panic Room used CG to create some shots a camera couldn't capture. The Social Network used CG so effectively and with such subtlety that it was seamless. I didn't realize that the Winklevoss twins was actually one person. From what I understand, though, Fincher is a proponent of digital cameras and finds many uses for CGI. In that way, they approach films differently, which would make a discussion between him and Nolan very interesting indeed.
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8:45PM on 04/15/2012
The man is a genius. I'd rather watch movie on IMAX rather than headaching 3-D.
The man is a genius. I'd rather watch movie on IMAX rather than headaching 3-D.
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8:12PM on 04/15/2012
Chris Nolan just makes a lot of sense. I completely agree about digital effects. The point is to pull the audience into the reality you're creating as a director, not to impress them with bells and whistles that draw them out of the overall experience.
Chris Nolan just makes a lot of sense. I completely agree about digital effects. The point is to pull the audience into the reality you're creating as a director, not to impress them with bells and whistles that draw them out of the overall experience.
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6:58PM on 04/15/2012

This dude owns

legit.I agree with him on CGI some films use it well other films do not. I think some of us know those films :)
legit.I agree with him on CGI some films use it well other films do not. I think some of us know those films :)
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6:53PM on 04/15/2012
I somewhat disagree with him regarding the quality of digital, but the rest is spot-on. Wish more directors were like him.
I somewhat disagree with him regarding the quality of digital, but the rest is spot-on. Wish more directors were like him.
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6:45PM on 04/15/2012
Class act.
Class act.
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5:43PM on 04/15/2012
A great read, and I agree with his views. In Nolan I trust.
A great read, and I agree with his views. In Nolan I trust.
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5:40PM on 04/15/2012
Amen brother.
Amen brother.
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