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David Goyer hints at possible titles for Zack Snyder's Superman/Batman film

Jul. 23, 2013by: Paul Shirey

Arguably the biggest reveal in Hall H during Comic Con was Zack Snyder introducing his next film (and next chapter in the DCU movie universe) as not only a sequel to this year's MAN OF STEEL, but a new Batman film at the same time, taking a decidedly different approach to building a comics-to-film universe than the reigning king, Marvel. It makes perfect sense, really, as the very last thing we need is another origin story of Batman. Best to just jump right in and get down to business.

However, as cool as that reveal was, which was simply the Superman crest with the Bat-symbol underneath, we didn't get an official title. Screenwriter David S. Goyer, who is currently writing the epic throwdown, gave a pretty straightforward answer at the Superman 75th Anniversary panel at Comic-Con, though, saying:

"So the next film we’re making, we’re already in pre-production, comes out in summer of 2015 and it’s–we’re actually not sure whether the title is Superman vs. Batman or Batman vs. Superman but yes, it’s–that rematch, that combination, the two guys onscreen and that’s happening.”

I think many are wondering just how much of this film will be a battle between the two iconic heroes and how much will be a team-up, as we all know that this film will lead towards the eventual JUSTICE LEAGUE film. It doesn't really matter to me which name comes first or even if the "vs." is in the title or not, but for some it's paramount. I'm sure we'll have a definitive answer soon enough. Do you have a preference?

SUPERMAN VS. BATMAN or whichever it shakes out to be is set for release in 2015.

Oh, and here's that reveal for those who weren't able to see it...


Batman/Superman Comic-Con announcement | Batman... by BatmanNewsCom

Source: Comicbook.com

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9:25PM on 07/24/2013

Look, here's the thing.

I have no problem with Superman, or Batman. I have no problem with a Superman and Batman team up at some point, if done right. But based on the information we have at this point, the way that WB/DC are going about this, is that this is a sequel to Man Of Steel, and it relegates Batman to a mere supporting character, akin to War Machine in Iron Man 2. Batman deserves better, and so does Superman.
I have no problem with Superman, or Batman. I have no problem with a Superman and Batman team up at some point, if done right. But based on the information we have at this point, the way that WB/DC are going about this, is that this is a sequel to Man Of Steel, and it relegates Batman to a mere supporting character, akin to War Machine in Iron Man 2. Batman deserves better, and so does Superman.
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8:46PM on 07/24/2013

Take a page from Injustice

Not only is it one of my favorite fighting games this year but the story and characters were interesting.
Not only is it one of my favorite fighting games this year but the story and characters were interesting.
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5:50PM on 07/24/2013

Im Ready!

I was quite happy with Man Of Steel, and I am ready for a new more comic inspired hyper realistic BATMAN. I've never really had a problem with David Goyers writing, its his directing im afraid of. Lets be thankful that hes not behind the camera.
I was quite happy with Man Of Steel, and I am ready for a new more comic inspired hyper realistic BATMAN. I've never really had a problem with David Goyers writing, its his directing im afraid of. Lets be thankful that hes not behind the camera.
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5:04PM on 07/24/2013

Superman Vs. Batman

makes supes sound like the good guy who's going up against the bad guy, bats. but then they must join forces. or more like batman comes crying for superman to save him lol
makes supes sound like the good guy who's going up against the bad guy, bats. but then they must join forces. or more like batman comes crying for superman to save him lol
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11:47AM on 07/24/2013

Snyder

First of all I think this movie is going to be awesome..I have a lot of faith in Zack Snyder as a filmmaker and this will be epic! The other thing is I think this news was so huge that Snyder seemed nervous and almost didn't know how to break it. Oh and Karl Urban for Batman
First of all I think this movie is going to be awesome..I have a lot of faith in Zack Snyder as a filmmaker and this will be epic! The other thing is I think this news was so huge that Snyder seemed nervous and almost didn't know how to break it. Oh and Karl Urban for Batman
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11:19AM on 07/24/2013
Horrible idea to combine the two characters in one film... if this is a way to introduce the Justice League, then you've got a huge up hill battle Goyer on making this movie good before that ever happens.
Horrible idea to combine the two characters in one film... if this is a way to introduce the Justice League, then you've got a huge up hill battle Goyer on making this movie good before that ever happens.
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7:50AM on 07/24/2013
Wow the cry babies that flood this site. Much of the great stories in DC comics involve batman and supes . Those saying this cant work have no fucking idea what they are talking about. Batman is the ultimate strategist He learns everyone's weaknesses just in case shit gets real. I'm sure they will tussle early on then unite against whatever villain they bring, hopefully Luthor. Then have Darkseid or someone really nasty show up at the end to set up JLA
Wow the cry babies that flood this site. Much of the great stories in DC comics involve batman and supes . Those saying this cant work have no fucking idea what they are talking about. Batman is the ultimate strategist He learns everyone's weaknesses just in case shit gets real. I'm sure they will tussle early on then unite against whatever villain they bring, hopefully Luthor. Then have Darkseid or someone really nasty show up at the end to set up JLA
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6:55AM on 07/24/2013
It's gotta be called World's Finest. Or at least Superman-Batman: World's Finest.
It's gotta be called World's Finest. Or at least Superman-Batman: World's Finest.
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4:19AM on 07/24/2013
Now that we know there will be Batman/Superman movie, what about the villain? The Joker and Lex Luthor? Or maybe Black Mask and Lex Luthor?
Now that we know there will be Batman/Superman movie, what about the villain? The Joker and Lex Luthor? Or maybe Black Mask and Lex Luthor?
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2:45AM on 07/24/2013
I'm in the "WORLD'S FINEST" camp on this one, folks. To me, I just don't feel like you could title it Batman vs. Superman or the other way around. MAN OF STEEL: WORLD'S FINEST does it for me.

Bruce Wayne/Batman to Superman: "You owe me a satellite."
I'm in the "WORLD'S FINEST" camp on this one, folks. To me, I just don't feel like you could title it Batman vs. Superman or the other way around. MAN OF STEEL: WORLD'S FINEST does it for me.

Bruce Wayne/Batman to Superman: "You owe me a satellite."
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1:45AM on 07/24/2013
Wow, would you listen to all those nerds having their nerdgasm [link]
Wow, would you listen to all those nerds having their nerdgasm [link]
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9:48PM on 07/23/2013

How bout this title:

Man of Steel: In Darkness comes the Knight
Man of Steel: In Darkness comes the Knight
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9:25PM on 07/23/2013

Alternate titles

The Bold & The Beautiful
Black And Blue
Batman Of Steel
Heroes With Capes But No Underpants
The Bold & The Beautiful
Black And Blue
Batman Of Steel
Heroes With Capes But No Underpants
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7:36AM on 07/24/2013
Ok you've taken up half the thread to bitch. Time to troll elsewhere
Ok you've taken up half the thread to bitch. Time to troll elsewhere
7:04PM on 07/24/2013
@Antarius

Hahahahahahaha Fuck you, fanboy.
@Antarius

Hahahahahahaha Fuck you, fanboy.
7:09PM on 07/24/2013
Oh, also, it's painfully obvious you're intellectually incapable of seeing the humour in this situation. I kind of feel sorry for you.
Oh, also, it's painfully obvious you're intellectually incapable of seeing the humour in this situation. I kind of feel sorry for you.
7:12PM on 07/24/2013
Also, I'm not "taking up half the thread". I can't help it if I have some valid points to raise and something more intelligent to say than "OMG SO EXCITED THIS IS GOING TO BE SO AWESOME"
Also, I'm not "taking up half the thread". I can't help it if I have some valid points to raise and something more intelligent to say than "OMG SO EXCITED THIS IS GOING TO BE SO AWESOME"
8:08PM on 07/23/2013
This whole idea is an example of studios being motivated totally by dollar signs instead of giving us a proper Superman trilogy. However they end up doing it, Batman is going to feel tacked on. I was actually excited at the end of MoS, there are so many other elements to explore within his own universe without having to resort to bringing Batman in this soon. Lex Luthor, Brainiac, Doomsday, Bizarro (okay, maybe not Bizarro).
This whole idea is an example of studios being motivated totally by dollar signs instead of giving us a proper Superman trilogy. However they end up doing it, Batman is going to feel tacked on. I was actually excited at the end of MoS, there are so many other elements to explore within his own universe without having to resort to bringing Batman in this soon. Lex Luthor, Brainiac, Doomsday, Bizarro (okay, maybe not Bizarro).
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7:59PM on 07/23/2013
I really hope we don't get another Batman origin story.
I really hope we don't get another Batman origin story.
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7:58PM on 07/23/2013

The Title.

Superman vs Batman. Batman vs Superman. Could they possibly go more vanilla? One of my problems with this (and indeed the whole idea in the first place) is that I don't know whether it's supposed to be a Superman movie with Batman in it, or a Batman movie with Superman in it. I really hope they don't go with a "vs" in the title.
Superman vs Batman. Batman vs Superman. Could they possibly go more vanilla? One of my problems with this (and indeed the whole idea in the first place) is that I don't know whether it's supposed to be a Superman movie with Batman in it, or a Batman movie with Superman in it. I really hope they don't go with a "vs" in the title.
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7:55PM on 07/23/2013

The Logo.

Clearly the logo in the video reveal is based on the combination of the current Superman logo and Frank Miller's Batman logo from The Dark Knight Returns graphic novel. I'm sure when they redesign Batman for this movie he will have a new Bat symbol and they won't use the horrendous hastily mashed together logo in the video.
Clearly the logo in the video reveal is based on the combination of the current Superman logo and Frank Miller's Batman logo from The Dark Knight Returns graphic novel. I'm sure when they redesign Batman for this movie he will have a new Bat symbol and they won't use the horrendous hastily mashed together logo in the video.
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7:26PM on 07/23/2013
Goyer can suck it. Already ruined Superman, so hey lets give him the greatest DC character to ruin too. Unless he has a "real" writer to assist him then the screenplay is crap. Avengers 2 and Star Wars will blow this away.
Goyer can suck it. Already ruined Superman, so hey lets give him the greatest DC character to ruin too. Unless he has a "real" writer to assist him then the screenplay is crap. Avengers 2 and Star Wars will blow this away.
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9:59PM on 07/23/2013
He's already written for Batman in three movies. Poorly I might add but he has written for him.
He's already written for Batman in three movies. Poorly I might add but he has written for him.
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6:41PM on 07/23/2013
Title isn't so important as much as the story. So Now I can still hold out hope that Snyder & Co. turn to Bruce Timm and just give us a live-action version of "Batman/Superman: World's Finest". That would be perfect
Title isn't so important as much as the story. So Now I can still hold out hope that Snyder & Co. turn to Bruce Timm and just give us a live-action version of "Batman/Superman: World's Finest". That would be perfect
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6:04PM on 07/23/2013
"The Brave and the Bold" ...USE THIS PLEASE.
"The Brave and the Bold" ...USE THIS PLEASE.
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5:59PM on 07/23/2013
A bad potential title for a potentially bad movie.
A bad potential title for a potentially bad movie.
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5:56PM on 07/23/2013
I'm sorry Avengers 2 and Star Wars: Episode 7. I'm sure you two are gonna be awesome movies, but Batman/Superman is the most anticipated movie of 2015. I CAN'T WAIT!
I'm sorry Avengers 2 and Star Wars: Episode 7. I'm sure you two are gonna be awesome movies, but Batman/Superman is the most anticipated movie of 2015. I CAN'T WAIT!
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5:35PM on 07/23/2013
It's a great idea, but the title should be "World's Finest" if they're not going for a more "Man of Steel"-type sequel title.
It's a great idea, but the title should be "World's Finest" if they're not going for a more "Man of Steel"-type sequel title.
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5:08PM on 07/23/2013
My title : Snyder/Goyer Suck
My title : Snyder/Goyer Suck
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4:58PM on 07/23/2013
Plot details. Batman comes to Metropolis since a super alien killed millions in Metropolis and Smallville. Batman finds him hiding in a news office where he's being hidden by an alien groupie.
Plot details. Batman comes to Metropolis since a super alien killed millions in Metropolis and Smallville. Batman finds him hiding in a news office where he's being hidden by an alien groupie.
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5:09PM on 07/23/2013
You jest but this is basically the plot in a nutshell, I mean it kind of has to be.
You jest but this is basically the plot in a nutshell, I mean it kind of has to be.
4:38PM on 07/23/2013
Hey Goyer, you douchbag, you can only ride Nolan's coattails for so long. MoS had one of the worst screenplays of the year, and the dialog was painfully bad. When Goyer gets a big head, we get films like Blade 3.
Hey Goyer, you douchbag, you can only ride Nolan's coattails for so long. MoS had one of the worst screenplays of the year, and the dialog was painfully bad. When Goyer gets a big head, we get films like Blade 3.
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4:32PM on 07/23/2013
I agree with many of my fellow strikebackers, 1) That official logo looks hideous, in fact the fan made logo used as the header was perfect enough 2) The title should be "World's Finest" or "The Brave & The Bold". I don't want to see Batman and Superman fighting each other, I want to see them working together to solve a problem that's bigger than either of them if they were alone 3) David S. Goyer is a terrible writer so I have no faith in this script having any humanity or fun whatsoever (and
I agree with many of my fellow strikebackers, 1) That official logo looks hideous, in fact the fan made logo used as the header was perfect enough 2) The title should be "World's Finest" or "The Brave & The Bold". I don't want to see Batman and Superman fighting each other, I want to see them working together to solve a problem that's bigger than either of them if they were alone 3) David S. Goyer is a terrible writer so I have no faith in this script having any humanity or fun whatsoever (and this is coming from a guy who loved The Dark Knight and will defend Man of Steel even though it has many flaws)
But I will say that the idea of this team up isn't an awful one, mainly for the fact that we won't have to see another whole film dedicated to Batman's origin story which is a big relief. It's tough being a DC fan.
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4:39PM on 07/23/2013
The Brave and the Bold is the perfect title. The Justice League started in The Brave and the Bold.
The Brave and the Bold is the perfect title. The Justice League started in The Brave and the Bold.
3:59PM on 07/23/2013
I agree the name Superman vs Batman is not the best title. However having these two battle is a great idea. If well written as like in the comics it can be something to behold.
I agree the name Superman vs Batman is not the best title. However having these two battle is a great idea. If well written as like in the comics it can be something to behold.
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3:50PM on 07/23/2013

They should ...

Can't wait for this movie! But I think they should just call it Man of Steel: World's finest.
Can't wait for this movie! But I think they should just call it Man of Steel: World's finest.
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3:44PM on 07/23/2013

Am I the only one who doesn't see this working as a film?

I love Batman, and I enjoy Superman... But I really don't see these two working together on film... But then again, I really thought the Avengers wouldn't work, and it was damn near perfect, so what do I know. But Goyer can't write very well unless he's working with a partner, and the Nolan brothers have better things to do, I'm sure. Bale is out, and we have to recast, which is already tricky ground. Now their rushing to get this made so they can stay competitive with Marvel, which just
I love Batman, and I enjoy Superman... But I really don't see these two working together on film... But then again, I really thought the Avengers wouldn't work, and it was damn near perfect, so what do I know. But Goyer can't write very well unless he's working with a partner, and the Nolan brothers have better things to do, I'm sure. Bale is out, and we have to recast, which is already tricky ground. Now their rushing to get this made so they can stay competitive with Marvel, which just seems like it's going to be a disaster. Marvel's films have turned out so well because they put so much care and thought into them... If they rush into production on this with a sub par script and no replacement for Bale, we'll all see it for what it is; A poorly slapped-together cash grab.

Man of Steel was decent, and Nolan really set the foundation for all modern superhero films. If D.C. fumbles this one, after finally getting some good footing, that'll probably be the final nail in the coffin for me. No one's forgotten what they did with Green Lantern, or Batman when Burton left, or Superman when Donner left.
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11:54AM on 07/24/2013
Very thoughtful, well written post. I agree Goyer needs a cowriter but I just have a feeling that this is going to workout! I just wanted to compliment you on an insightful post that avoided the venomous snark that seems to have flooded over to this post back from Ain't It Cool lately.
Very thoughtful, well written post. I agree Goyer needs a cowriter but I just have a feeling that this is going to workout! I just wanted to compliment you on an insightful post that avoided the venomous snark that seems to have flooded over to this post back from Ain't It Cool lately.
3:40PM on 07/23/2013
I just love how some are commenting "Goyer's writing is shit" and talking about that "smug look on his face" after his just just grossed half a billion dollars. 99% of those talking smack don't even have enough talent to write better lyrics than the song "Tequila."
I just love how some are commenting "Goyer's writing is shit" and talking about that "smug look on his face" after his just just grossed half a billion dollars. 99% of those talking smack don't even have enough talent to write better lyrics than the song "Tequila."
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3:31PM on 07/23/2013
Is Goyer actually that small? Cavill looked like he was only about 2 or 3 inches taller than the women in 'Man of Steel' at the best of times. Hollywood isn't run by Jews, it's run by midgets.
Is Goyer actually that small? Cavill looked like he was only about 2 or 3 inches taller than the women in 'Man of Steel' at the best of times. Hollywood isn't run by Jews, it's run by midgets.
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3:56PM on 07/23/2013
I think Cavill is sitting up straight while Goyer is hunched over.
I think Cavill is sitting up straight while Goyer is hunched over.
3:19PM on 07/23/2013
Damn. I was under the impression that there would be no kryptonite because it's a weak plot device that's been used in every other superman movie. I just don't see how else Batman could have a snowballs chance in hell of going toe to toe. It's an awesome idea having them battle, but I don't have much faith that they can turn this into a quality full length movie without cheapening both properties just a little in comparison to what Nolan gave us. I'm no die hard Nolan fan, but those were
Damn. I was under the impression that there would be no kryptonite because it's a weak plot device that's been used in every other superman movie. I just don't see how else Batman could have a snowballs chance in hell of going toe to toe. It's an awesome idea having them battle, but I don't have much faith that they can turn this into a quality full length movie without cheapening both properties just a little in comparison to what Nolan gave us. I'm no die hard Nolan fan, but those were smart movies that didn't rely on a lot of CGI.
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3:14PM on 07/23/2013

Bat-Man of Steel

Done.

I have no problem with Goyer writing the first draft of this film, but please get a writer more capable of wringing some humanity out of a story to do the rewrite. Goyer's great at big ideas, but he lacks in the character department.
Done.

I have no problem with Goyer writing the first draft of this film, but please get a writer more capable of wringing some humanity out of a story to do the rewrite. Goyer's great at big ideas, but he lacks in the character department.
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3:07PM on 07/23/2013

I think no title ...Just the logo of the Bat and Superman Crest in front of that logo is just fine..

...let everyone have his/her own name in their imagination
...let everyone have his/her own name in their imagination
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3:12PM on 07/23/2013
Like when Prince changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol.
Like when Prince changed his name to an unpronounceable symbol.
6:03PM on 07/23/2013
hahahaha.

"The movie formally known as..."
hahahaha.

"The movie formally known as..."
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3:01PM on 07/23/2013
question? is Goyer a actual comic fan? maybe Snyder is, i dont follow him as much as everyone else does, I only like two of his movies maybe three. and also i think this new film will tone down the destruction, how else will Bats survive. i also agree with the way they met on the World Finest episode, loved how they both found out each others identities.
question? is Goyer a actual comic fan? maybe Snyder is, i dont follow him as much as everyone else does, I only like two of his movies maybe three. and also i think this new film will tone down the destruction, how else will Bats survive. i also agree with the way they met on the World Finest episode, loved how they both found out each others identities.
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3:00PM on 07/23/2013

Ehhhh

First of all, if these are the options of the names, I think Batman should go first bc he is the bigger drawl, which has already been mentioned (plus it's alphabetical!). But I think this is a bad idea. Obviously we don't know much, but I'll say I think this movie right now with a recasted Bats is a bad idea. It'll confuse people. WB is again rushing. They should first make a MoS sequel and introduce kryptonite. And then maybe at the end have batman like watching footage of supes in the
First of all, if these are the options of the names, I think Batman should go first bc he is the bigger drawl, which has already been mentioned (plus it's alphabetical!). But I think this is a bad idea. Obviously we don't know much, but I'll say I think this movie right now with a recasted Bats is a bad idea. It'll confuse people. WB is again rushing. They should first make a MoS sequel and introduce kryptonite. And then maybe at the end have batman like watching footage of supes in the batcave with and analyzing kryptonite, with his beef being all the destruction he helped cause. Otherwise, what's his beef with superman? Or what's supes beef with batman? Of course they will eventually team up in the end to fight someone or who ever manipulated them into fighting, but with out a MoS 2 introducing kryptonite, how's batman gonna fight him? And I also think ppl will be confused that this isn't Nolan's universe. I kinda feel like there also needs to be a new batman movie in this new dcu before this film that doesn't have to be an origin story - and I don't want it to be. It can just start, maybe with the origin in the credits like the 2nd Hulk movie. But make this batman much more the detective than Nolan did. That's the only kind if Batman that can fight Supes. I mentioned in an earlier post that if Nolan and company came back, JGL could die as Batman by an alien, and Bale would feel bad for not teaching him shit, assume all aliens were bad, and take it out on supes, or some reason Bale thinks supes did it. But you'd have to use the older batman like Miller did in his dark knights and how he fought him then with the help of green arrow. But Supes was a tool in that so I don't see why they'd fight. I want a bat and supes movie, but this is too soon...really even the release date.
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2:52PM on 07/23/2013
I'm excited for this movie, but guaranteed this will never live up to its own hype.
I'm excited for this movie, but guaranteed this will never live up to its own hype.
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2:32PM on 07/23/2013
Wait. VS?
Wait. VS?
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2:50PM on 07/23/2013
The line that Harry Lennix read to introduce it was from The Dark Knight Returns where Superman works for the government and is ordered to root out Batman.
The line that Harry Lennix read to introduce it was from The Dark Knight Returns where Superman works for the government and is ordered to root out Batman.
2:29PM on 07/23/2013
Those titles suck. Hopefully they just call it World's Finest.

And I do not want to see Superman and Batman fighting in this film because based off of Man of Steel, Superman would beat the living shit out of Batman.
Those titles suck. Hopefully they just call it World's Finest.

And I do not want to see Superman and Batman fighting in this film because based off of Man of Steel, Superman would beat the living shit out of Batman.
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2:53PM on 07/23/2013
I don't know it you've read the comic this is supposedly based on, but in it Batman creates an exoskeleton specifically designed to fight Superman as well as a kryptonite weapon to weaken him.
I don't know it you've read the comic this is supposedly based on, but in it Batman creates an exoskeleton specifically designed to fight Superman as well as a kryptonite weapon to weaken him.
3:02PM on 07/23/2013
He also brought Green Arrow for backup. Somehow I doubt that happens in the movie . . .
He also brought Green Arrow for backup. Somehow I doubt that happens in the movie . . .
3:09PM on 07/23/2013
The soloist has never read a comic in his life.
The soloist has never read a comic in his life.
4:28PM on 07/23/2013
Before the 2 of you bash him too hard wasn't it said kryptonite wasn't going to be in this incarnation of Superman. If that in fact is true and there is no kryptonite, Supes would beat the utter shit out of batman. So I would much rather a team up rather then a battle against the two
Before the 2 of you bash him too hard wasn't it said kryptonite wasn't going to be in this incarnation of Superman. If that in fact is true and there is no kryptonite, Supes would beat the utter shit out of batman. So I would much rather a team up rather then a battle against the two
5:02PM on 07/24/2013
@Goldfinger007, I think the producers only stated that Krypton would not be in Man of Steel. I don't think they said Krypton wouldn't exist period. I think they're trying to leave the door open for some twists and turns in a Superman story.
@Goldfinger007, I think the producers only stated that Krypton would not be in Man of Steel. I don't think they said Krypton wouldn't exist period. I think they're trying to leave the door open for some twists and turns in a Superman story.
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2:26PM on 07/23/2013

crappy batman logo

Yep. I'm not really psyched about this. I guess kryptonite will be involved somehow..since that's the only way a human like Batman could harm Superman. It sounds like WB needs batman in this in order to "add value" b/c they don't trust Superman alone. Which is kinda sad.
Yep. I'm not really psyched about this. I guess kryptonite will be involved somehow..since that's the only way a human like Batman could harm Superman. It sounds like WB needs batman in this in order to "add value" b/c they don't trust Superman alone. Which is kinda sad.
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2:23PM on 07/23/2013
Great stuff but as Bob Loblaw points out below - not making Superman comes across as a boy scout (all the collateral damage he played his part in) will make it odd when trying to compare him with the Batman since MoS "was every bit as dark & violent (if not more so) as Batman". It was the biggest source of disappointment for me and I feel bad for not loving MoS as much as I loved that third trailer. Everything up to him becoming Superman was done right - learning from Pa Kent - from Ma Kent -
Great stuff but as Bob Loblaw points out below - not making Superman comes across as a boy scout (all the collateral damage he played his part in) will make it odd when trying to compare him with the Batman since MoS "was every bit as dark & violent (if not more so) as Batman". It was the biggest source of disappointment for me and I feel bad for not loving MoS as much as I loved that third trailer. Everything up to him becoming Superman was done right - learning from Pa Kent - from Ma Kent - his father's sacrifice to protect his son - the son letting his dad die to honour his wish - all top stuff - the stuff of a Superman. Just when he actually became Superman - all those lessons seemed to go out of the window. It'll be interesting how they play Batman off against Superman but one thing I know for certain, they won't beat the why it was played off when Conroy's Batman met the animated Superman for the first time - personalities clashing first with Batman even throwing a caught off guard Superman across a night club floor...in to tables Ė but eventually joining forces - brilliant stuff. Why the heck did a proper Batman reference not get made in MoS like the one made by Ma Kent in the one of the opening Superman animated series episodes...I'll never know.
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2:38PM on 07/23/2013
The animated meeting was perfection. THAT needs to influence this movie, not Dark Knight Returns.
The animated meeting was perfection. THAT needs to influence this movie, not Dark Knight Returns.
2:21PM on 07/23/2013

I hate this idea!!!

I can't state enough how I hate this idea!!! After the epic level of strength and power Superman was shown having in The Man of Steel, there is nothing that makes Batman stand out in a team-up or fight between them both. Unless we get Kryptonite in the next movie (which would be the biggest copout in history) their is nothing Batman can do to even be on the same stage as Superman after Man of Steel! If we had the JLA at least their would be at least other characters that could go toe to toe
I can't state enough how I hate this idea!!! After the epic level of strength and power Superman was shown having in The Man of Steel, there is nothing that makes Batman stand out in a team-up or fight between them both. Unless we get Kryptonite in the next movie (which would be the biggest copout in history) their is nothing Batman can do to even be on the same stage as Superman after Man of Steel! If we had the JLA at least their would be at least other characters that could go toe to toe with Superman. But Batman has no chance in this universe unless we get some rank and cheesey plot point to make Batman relevant and the new Superman a puss.
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2:28PM on 07/23/2013
Read a fucking Comic Man. Batman is the Iron Man of DC. He is extremely intelligent and studies his opponents. He's defeated Superman several times in the Comics.
Read a fucking Comic Man. Batman is the Iron Man of DC. He is extremely intelligent and studies his opponents. He's defeated Superman several times in the Comics.
3:06PM on 07/23/2013
Watch Man of Steel asshat! With one punch Superman leveled blocks of landscape and had no weaknesses. So to make this move make sense they have to make Superman a weakling (or give him a weakness he didn't need) just to match up, just like all the times Batman had to weaken superman in the comics. Which was a lame copout.
Watch Man of Steel asshat! With one punch Superman leveled blocks of landscape and had no weaknesses. So to make this move make sense they have to make Superman a weakling (or give him a weakness he didn't need) just to match up, just like all the times Batman had to weaken superman in the comics. Which was a lame copout.
2:18PM on 07/23/2013
They should call it 'World's Finest at Levelling a City'.
They should call it 'World's Finest at Levelling a City'.
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2:14PM on 07/23/2013

Bat symbol is crap

I'm all for this movie but the batman symbol looks cartoonish, superman would laugh at batman for his dumb symbol. So I hope that's not the final, I like the one at the very top
I'm all for this movie but the batman symbol looks cartoonish, superman would laugh at batman for his dumb symbol. So I hope that's not the final, I like the one at the very top
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2:13PM on 07/23/2013
That reveal was nuts! Whatever the title will be, it's going to draw in no matter what.
That reveal was nuts! Whatever the title will be, it's going to draw in no matter what.
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2:10PM on 07/23/2013
How about Batman/Superman? Or Superman/Batman. That's what the comic was called and the "slash" works better than "vs." or "and" which makes it sound kinda cheesy.
How about Batman/Superman? Or Superman/Batman. That's what the comic was called and the "slash" works better than "vs." or "and" which makes it sound kinda cheesy.
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1:53PM on 07/23/2013

That smug look on Goyer's face says it all...

He'll reap the rewards for writing garbage but it'll make money regardless of quality. Of course everybody wants to see a World's Finest, but I have little to no faith in Goyer UNLESS his script gets passed to a more capable writer. He's OK as an idea guy, but when he writes solo, you get crap. Plus that logo looks like a five year old did it photoshop....
He'll reap the rewards for writing garbage but it'll make money regardless of quality. Of course everybody wants to see a World's Finest, but I have little to no faith in Goyer UNLESS his script gets passed to a more capable writer. He's OK as an idea guy, but when he writes solo, you get crap. Plus that logo looks like a five year old did it photoshop....
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2:00PM on 07/23/2013
You're right, he can write the biggest turd laden script and know that it'll make 100 mil opening weekend.
You're right, he can write the biggest turd laden script and know that it'll make 100 mil opening weekend.
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1:50PM on 07/23/2013
I remember in 2010, there was a movie being made called 'Untitled Spider-Man Reboot'. I predicted the final title will be "The Amazing Spider-Man".
So now, I predict, the final title for this movie will be... SUPERMAN & BATMAN!
Oh, will see...
I remember in 2010, there was a movie being made called 'Untitled Spider-Man Reboot'. I predicted the final title will be "The Amazing Spider-Man".
So now, I predict, the final title for this movie will be... SUPERMAN & BATMAN!
Oh, will see...
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1:57PM on 07/23/2013
i think in the end batman will be first since hes the bigger box office draw.
i think in the end batman will be first since hes the bigger box office draw.
1:48PM on 07/23/2013

Wow, that made every hair on my body stand up...

And I'm in England watching it 2 days after it was announced.
And I'm in England watching it 2 days after it was announced.
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1:43PM on 07/23/2013

Wait...

Isn't that "Nolan's" Batman logo?
Doesn't that imply anything?
Isn't that "Nolan's" Batman logo?
Doesn't that imply anything?
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1:56PM on 07/23/2013
no, its fan made
no, its fan made
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1:36PM on 07/23/2013

vs.

i dont want a movie where they fight, i want them to team up to take down criminals
i dont want a movie where they fight, i want them to team up to take down criminals
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1:30PM on 07/23/2013
But they made Superman every bit as dark & violent (if not more so) as Batman. There is no longer any contrast between the two. It will be weird to have Superman condemn Batman's violence after MoS.

Plus Goyer is a horrible writer. There is no way that this film will ever be anything more than mindless messy fanfare.
But they made Superman every bit as dark & violent (if not more so) as Batman. There is no longer any contrast between the two. It will be weird to have Superman condemn Batman's violence after MoS.

Plus Goyer is a horrible writer. There is no way that this film will ever be anything more than mindless messy fanfare.
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1:18PM on 07/23/2013

public enemies

Make it happen
Make it happen
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1:18PM on 07/23/2013

"World's Finest"

Yea... "The World's FInest" seems like the obvious choice
Yea... "The World's FInest" seems like the obvious choice
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1:17PM on 07/23/2013
I would go with The Words Finist
I would go with The Words Finist
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1:16PM on 07/23/2013
Is 'The Odd Couple' taken?
Is 'The Odd Couple' taken?
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1:09PM on 07/23/2013
First of all, the logo is fucking shit. Out of all the version of the S emblem over the Bat logo they've picked the downright worst.

Secondly it should be called "World's Finest" surely?
First of all, the logo is fucking shit. Out of all the version of the S emblem over the Bat logo they've picked the downright worst.

Secondly it should be called "World's Finest" surely?
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