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Robert Downey Jr. has Marvel by the balls and possibly the rest of the Avengers behind him when it comes to negotiations for the second installment

May. 7, 2013by: Niki Stephens

The time has come for Marvel Studios to start talking contracts for THE AVENGERS 2. While several of members of the cast are already in place because of the first film and other Marvel installments, Robert Downey Jr. will be the one that they have to play hard ball with.

The actors salary for IRON MAN 3 is somewhere near the $35 million mark then add the upwards of $70 million he made for doing THE AVENGERS, and you have someone who is seen as essential. Or is he? But will he come back? Downey recently told Jon Stewart on THE DAILY SHOW that he didn't know if he would return and that Marvel better pony up when it comes time to renegotiate. Again, that's IF he comes back. This isn't the first time as of late that Downey has indicated that he's ready to retire from the role. Can they risk getting another actor? One inside source says that, They need him, and they dont have him. Hes got a lot of leverage.

Don't think that Downey isn't replaceable though, especially according to CEO Kevin Feige who has said before that they could get someone else. Marvel is known for being notoriously cheap, however if Downey exits the rest of THE AVENGERS might be looking to add a few zeros to their own checks. Oh, and they are replaceable too. Anyone remember the tale of Terrence Howard? It's said that Downey is seen by the younger members as a "big brother" of sorts and are "united behind him." Another source states, "Hes the only guy with real power in this situation. and balls of steel, too. Hes already sent a message that hes not going to work for a place where they treat his colleagues like shit." But without Downey none of them have much room for anything.

When Deadline spoke with director Joss Whedon about possibly losing some of the talent, he said this, "I feel good about Avengers because I feel everyone who took it got something to sink their teeth into. They werent hung out to dry. Its not a soulless piece of work."

I found the first part of the exchange to be the most interesting:

DEADLINE: Marvel is notoriously cheap and some of the Avengers cast will want more money for the sequel. How could that affect Avengers 2?

WHEDON: Im not going to comment specifically because Im not privy to that sort of stuff and I dont think its my place to talk about. In general terms, yes Marvel can be very cheap, God knows. They can also be sensible and frugal. They have a very small infrastructure and theyre not heaping this money on themselves. I dont know a producer whos done more and is paid less than Kevin Feige. I think that its an issue but its part of a bigger issue, which is there was a time when there was a crisis in the acting community where stars were getting $20 million and character actors were disappearing as a concept. There were no middle class actors. It was suddenly bit players and Jim Carrey, and that was it. Now the studios have gotten to a point where theyre like, Do we need that star? With what theyre able to to digitally and the way they create franchises theres a little bit of a feeling of, maybe we can eliminate the actor not totally and not totally cynically, but Ive literally heard people at the agency say, not about Marvel, This studio is eliminating the middle movie. Theyre not making dramas or prestige pics or anything that isnt either a franchise or a Paranormal-style found footage. I think that changes the landscape for actors because really good actors are interested in doing a franchise because they need something.

As you can see, it's going to be a very bumpy ride.

Source: Deadline

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2:42PM on 05/09/2013

said it best

Teddy "KGB" from rounders said it best

"Pay that man his money."
Teddy "KGB" from rounders said it best

"Pay that man his money."
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2:07AM on 05/09/2013
So RDJ isn't having any genuine internal crisis about returning the role, but likely holding out for more scratch, huh. Greedy prick move.
So RDJ isn't having any genuine internal crisis about returning the role, but likely holding out for more scratch, huh. Greedy prick move.
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3:03PM on 05/08/2013
Anyone would think marvel was ran by some Mickey Mouse [link]
Anyone would think marvel was ran by some Mickey Mouse [link]
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2:28PM on 05/08/2013
This article sucks balls. It makes it seem like RDJ is just doing this for his own paycheck when in fact he's looking out for his fellow actors.
This article is a much better description of what's going down - [link]

This article sucks balls. It makes it seem like RDJ is just doing this for his own paycheck when in fact he's looking out for his fellow actors.
This article is a much better description of what's going down - [link]

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1:01PM on 05/08/2013
So RDJ isn't having any genuine internal crisis about returning the role, but likely holding out for more scratch, huh. Greedy prick move.
So RDJ isn't having any genuine internal crisis about returning the role, but likely holding out for more scratch, huh. Greedy prick move.
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12:11PM on 05/08/2013
I'm officially starting the Idris Elba for Tony Stark campaign now!! /sarcasm most definitely on
I'm officially starting the Idris Elba for Tony Stark campaign now!! /sarcasm most definitely on
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3:02PM on 05/08/2013
Didn't you get the memo sarcasm doesn't go down well here (it amused me though)
Didn't you get the memo sarcasm doesn't go down well here (it amused me though)
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12:08PM on 05/08/2013
I understand that they have shareholders to answer to and the purpose of a business is to make a profit, but when you put your overwhelmingly successful product at risk over simple greed it's not good business.

When the CEO of Marvel Studios is the 3rd largest individual shareholder in Disney then you have a direct conflict of interest. Of course Iger (Disney CEO) isn't going to say boo to him; he's essentially his boss.
I understand that they have shareholders to answer to and the purpose of a business is to make a profit, but when you put your overwhelmingly successful product at risk over simple greed it's not good business.

When the CEO of Marvel Studios is the 3rd largest individual shareholder in Disney then you have a direct conflict of interest. Of course Iger (Disney CEO) isn't going to say boo to him; he's essentially his boss.
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11:27AM on 05/08/2013

Yeah....

But what more could he want? He's already gotten a king's ransom. A bigger trailer? Free snacks? More Cocai... (Oh sorry, that was the "Old" him.) But seriously, what's left? Merchandising? Surely he alrready has a piece of that... right? And, by all accounts, quite a bit of artistic clout. ...a pony maybe?
But what more could he want? He's already gotten a king's ransom. A bigger trailer? Free snacks? More Cocai... (Oh sorry, that was the "Old" him.) But seriously, what's left? Merchandising? Surely he alrready has a piece of that... right? And, by all accounts, quite a bit of artistic clout. ...a pony maybe?
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11:18AM on 05/08/2013
This struggle reeks of problems coming from both sides, and the tragedy is is things get worse, we will be the losers. Yes, RDJ is kind of essential to the role. Yes, he deserves healthy compensation for all the success he's brought to Marvel Studios. And yes, given the exorbitant amount of money he's already earned, asking for an even higher paycheck makes him seem greedy. That being said, The Avengers made a ka-jillion dollars (to put it scientifically). It's not like they can't afford
This struggle reeks of problems coming from both sides, and the tragedy is is things get worse, we will be the losers. Yes, RDJ is kind of essential to the role. Yes, he deserves healthy compensation for all the success he's brought to Marvel Studios. And yes, given the exorbitant amount of money he's already earned, asking for an even higher paycheck makes him seem greedy. That being said, The Avengers made a ka-jillion dollars (to put it scientifically). It's not like they can't afford to bump his salary, especially considering Avengers 2 would likely bring in the same profits. I'd think as long as RDJ isn't asking for the entire box office, it's worth it to keep him. And for Fury's sake, they should be offering similar salaries to Hemsworth and Evans, and anyone else who will put in just as much work on Avengers 2 as RDJ. Marvel, you have an excellent thing going right now. Don't screw this up.
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12:06PM on 05/08/2013
Totally reasonable. Why not offer all of the cast a little bit of the back end? Allow them to share in the success too? Maybe Evans and Hemsworth got some of it for their Cap 2 and Thor 2 deal? But there is plenty of wealth to go around. Marvel Studios just doesn't want to share it..
Totally reasonable. Why not offer all of the cast a little bit of the back end? Allow them to share in the success too? Maybe Evans and Hemsworth got some of it for their Cap 2 and Thor 2 deal? But there is plenty of wealth to go around. Marvel Studios just doesn't want to share it..
10:58AM on 05/08/2013
That entire cast deserves every penny they get for how successful the Phase One films were. That's why they negotiate, everyone will get what they want in the end, especially with Downey behind them. AVENGERS made $1.5 billion, if I was Chris Hemsworth I'd be asking for at least $10-15 million for AVENGERS 2.
That entire cast deserves every penny they get for how successful the Phase One films were. That's why they negotiate, everyone will get what they want in the end, especially with Downey behind them. AVENGERS made $1.5 billion, if I was Chris Hemsworth I'd be asking for at least $10-15 million for AVENGERS 2.
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10:44AM on 05/08/2013
This is a very dangerous game at least as far as The Avengers and future Tony Stark is concerned. Downey wants out. How do you keep him? You pay him. No one would bat an eyelash if Hawkeye was changed. Hell, Chris Hemsworth could even be traded out if another actor could come in, bulk up, and speak like Thor. But Iron Man is the most successful part of the Marvel-verse right now. And a big part of that is Downey. Yes, they could replace him. But don't think it wouldn't impact their business. If
This is a very dangerous game at least as far as The Avengers and future Tony Stark is concerned. Downey wants out. How do you keep him? You pay him. No one would bat an eyelash if Hawkeye was changed. Hell, Chris Hemsworth could even be traded out if another actor could come in, bulk up, and speak like Thor. But Iron Man is the most successful part of the Marvel-verse right now. And a big part of that is Downey. Yes, they could replace him. But don't think it wouldn't impact their business. If they decided to excise him from the franchise altogether, that might work better. Except Tony Stark is kind of the star of the Avengers right now.
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10:11AM on 05/08/2013
Didn't Whedon say the script was basically done, it just had to he tweaked unless they added QuickSilver & Scarlet Witch? Downey Jr. also said in the one video joblo posted that it's a definite possibility that he'll return. I mean, it really does sound like he's coming back.
Didn't Whedon say the script was basically done, it just had to he tweaked unless they added QuickSilver & Scarlet Witch? Downey Jr. also said in the one video joblo posted that it's a definite possibility that he'll return. I mean, it really does sound like he's coming back.
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9:43AM on 05/08/2013
give the actors more money, not saying give them a ton of money, but come on, $200,000 for playing one of the 6 avengers, while RDJ was making millions. I understand he has more star power, but dont treat the rest like they dont count.
give the actors more money, not saying give them a ton of money, but come on, $200,000 for playing one of the 6 avengers, while RDJ was making millions. I understand he has more star power, but dont treat the rest like they dont count.
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9:28AM on 05/08/2013

sounds like

Greed to me.
Greed to me.
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8:40AM on 05/08/2013
Further to my earlier post about Marvel having the ability to replace actors...they've got the same ability with directors. The change over for Iron Man worked very well and judging by the trailer for Thor 2 it looks like their good track record will continue on this path.

As for Marvel doing things on the cheap...given what they've already reportedly paid RDJ and the fact that their movies look extremely far from cheap I fail to see how they do things on the cheap. Yes, perhaps they're
Further to my earlier post about Marvel having the ability to replace actors...they've got the same ability with directors. The change over for Iron Man worked very well and judging by the trailer for Thor 2 it looks like their good track record will continue on this path.

As for Marvel doing things on the cheap...given what they've already reportedly paid RDJ and the fact that their movies look extremely far from cheap I fail to see how they do things on the cheap. Yes, perhaps they're extremely frugal but its their money....why shouldn't they be especially when what they're producing is clearly delivering.

Marvel are at great expense bringing movies I never thought I'd see to the big screen and whilst I'd be very gutted to see RDJ leave Marvel have given me no reason to overly question them.
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6:34AM on 05/08/2013
Come on, this goes beyond Terrance Howard. Do Bana and Norton not ring any bells? Marvel thought they could get away with replacing actors, and you can when you are making crap, but once you start having hits people start to care. The Avengers II will take a hit if Iron Man is included and it isn't RDJ. (They need to recast in a stand alone) Plus if they keep jerking actors around it will get harder and harder for them to recast. What if the benefit of an actor playing a reoccurring role if
Come on, this goes beyond Terrance Howard. Do Bana and Norton not ring any bells? Marvel thought they could get away with replacing actors, and you can when you are making crap, but once you start having hits people start to care. The Avengers II will take a hit if Iron Man is included and it isn't RDJ. (They need to recast in a stand alone) Plus if they keep jerking actors around it will get harder and harder for them to recast. What if the benefit of an actor playing a reoccurring role if when the paychecks should start getting bigger they just dump your contract?
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6:27AM on 05/08/2013

Bond, James Bond

I remember an interview with Kevin Feige a while back in which he likened Iron man to Bond in that you wouldn't necessarily need to reboot if RDJ left, you could easily just replace him with another actor as Bond has done successfully for years. I would be sad to see RDJ leave the role but why not replace him if they can do it with a worthy actor for less money. if the story were still good, I'd go see it!!!
I remember an interview with Kevin Feige a while back in which he likened Iron man to Bond in that you wouldn't necessarily need to reboot if RDJ left, you could easily just replace him with another actor as Bond has done successfully for years. I would be sad to see RDJ leave the role but why not replace him if they can do it with a worthy actor for less money. if the story were still good, I'd go see it!!!
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6:26AM on 05/08/2013

Bond, James Bond

I remember an interview with Kevin Feige a while back in which he likened Iron man to Bond in that you wouldn't necessarily need to reboot if RDJ left, you could easily just replace him with another actor as Bond has done successfully for years. I would be sad to see RDJ leave the role but why not replace him if they can do it with a worthy actor for less money. if the story were still good, I'd go see it!!!
I remember an interview with Kevin Feige a while back in which he likened Iron man to Bond in that you wouldn't necessarily need to reboot if RDJ left, you could easily just replace him with another actor as Bond has done successfully for years. I would be sad to see RDJ leave the role but why not replace him if they can do it with a worthy actor for less money. if the story were still good, I'd go see it!!!
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6:27AM on 05/08/2013
Plus, they did this with Hulk and it turned out fine!!
Plus, they did this with Hulk and it turned out fine!!
6:55AM on 05/08/2013
The difference is the Bond movies are all stand alone films (with the exception of Quantum). Marvel has not been doing that at all, they have been constructing interweaving story lines.
The difference is the Bond movies are all stand alone films (with the exception of Quantum). Marvel has not been doing that at all, they have been constructing interweaving story lines.
11:34PM on 05/08/2013
"successfully" is very debatable. Say the name Pierce to a die hard Bond fan and see what reaction you get. None of his Bond movies even broke $35mil opening weekend. Quantum of Solace did $67mil, but even as much as I like Daniel, Casino Royale only did like $40mil. Iron Man 3 just pulled down $174mil opening weekend. That's more than any of Pierce's did in their lifetime. Letting RDJ go would be a huge boner move on Marvel's part. Anyone who has seen his movies will forever compare anyone
"successfully" is very debatable. Say the name Pierce to a die hard Bond fan and see what reaction you get. None of his Bond movies even broke $35mil opening weekend. Quantum of Solace did $67mil, but even as much as I like Daniel, Casino Royale only did like $40mil. Iron Man 3 just pulled down $174mil opening weekend. That's more than any of Pierce's did in their lifetime. Letting RDJ go would be a huge boner move on Marvel's part. Anyone who has seen his movies will forever compare anyone else in the role to RDJ, and it will be a long time before anyone plays it better.
6:11AM on 05/08/2013
Maybe if Downey didn't demand such a hilariously high sum of money, Marvel could afford to pay the other actors more. You can't demand 1/4 of the entire movie's budget to go to your paycheck, then complain when they don't have enough money for other things.
Maybe if Downey didn't demand such a hilariously high sum of money, Marvel could afford to pay the other actors more. You can't demand 1/4 of the entire movie's budget to go to your paycheck, then complain when they don't have enough money for other things.
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12:01PM on 05/08/2013
It wasn't part of the budget. He earned his money on the back end. I'm not sure that those complaining of actor's greed understand how a back end points deal work. If Avengers had bombed RDJ wouldn't have made nearly that much. But it didn't. It did amazingly, historically well. That's why he made that much money. It did not come from the film's production budget.
It wasn't part of the budget. He earned his money on the back end. I'm not sure that those complaining of actor's greed understand how a back end points deal work. If Avengers had bombed RDJ wouldn't have made nearly that much. But it didn't. It did amazingly, historically well. That's why he made that much money. It did not come from the film's production budget.
5:56AM on 05/08/2013

If he returns, I bet they kill him off

It may sound crazy, but they will probably pay him to return once more. But didn't they say the Avengers will fail in A2? I bet they kill off Iron Man.
It may sound crazy, but they will probably pay him to return once more. But didn't they say the Avengers will fail in A2? I bet they kill off Iron Man.
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5:26AM on 05/08/2013

Stealing again Niki

This is a about the third time I've read one of your articles and it is almost word for word stolen from another. Your "source" is deadline but the entire first and second paragraph are stolen from Variety. Amazing how the Internet works. How do you still have a job???
This is a about the third time I've read one of your articles and it is almost word for word stolen from another. Your "source" is deadline but the entire first and second paragraph are stolen from Variety. Amazing how the Internet works. How do you still have a job???
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5:15AM on 05/08/2013
I just love the sh*t-eating grin he's sporting in that photo.
I just love the sh*t-eating grin he's sporting in that photo.
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4:26AM on 05/08/2013
RDJ is Tony Stark and I would be absolutely gutted should this not be the case. However, how much money should you pay an actor? There has to be a limit...no matter how good they are. Yes, Iron Man has greatly benefitted from RDJ but this also goes equally the other way around. So this comes down to a balance...where RDJ will still be paid a crazy amount of money just not astronomically crazy.

I think that's acceptable. I don't believe for a second that this is about him standing up for the
RDJ is Tony Stark and I would be absolutely gutted should this not be the case. However, how much money should you pay an actor? There has to be a limit...no matter how good they are. Yes, Iron Man has greatly benefitted from RDJ but this also goes equally the other way around. So this comes down to a balance...where RDJ will still be paid a crazy amount of money just not astronomically crazy.

I think that's acceptable. I don't believe for a second that this is about him standing up for the smaller actors who also are by no means small fry anymore...thanks to these Marvel movies. How many of these stars were already box office draws before they took their turn playing Marvel superheroes?

I was gutted when Norton was replaced but Marvel showed they had the ability to replace him well. I don't want to debate who was a better Banner...they both did a fine job and during the Avengers movie I forgot Norton was ever Banner.

They also replaced Rhodey. While my emotions with regard to the actor change was nothing near the scale of the Norton change it was still disappointing from a continuity perspective. Still, the change worked...not that T Howard did bad (he played Rhodes well) but that I didn't miss him in Iron Man 2. Point is, Marvel appear to have the ability to replace their actors well because they know exactly what they're looking for. Should RDJ cost too much, as gutted as I'll once again be, I have every faith in Marvel to deliver us another very good Tony Stark.
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4:10AM on 05/08/2013
"Hes the only guy with real power in this situation. and balls of steel, too. Hes already sent a message that hes not going to work for a place where they treat his colleagues like shit."

What a cool guy!
"Hes the only guy with real power in this situation. and balls of steel, too. Hes already sent a message that hes not going to work for a place where they treat his colleagues like shit."

What a cool guy!
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3:42AM on 05/08/2013

They'll need him for "Avengers 2"

It' be like a sore thumb, the film will make bank but without RDJ in the sequel but it'll be missing something for sure and the audience will notice.
It' be like a sore thumb, the film will make bank but without RDJ in the sequel but it'll be missing something for sure and the audience will notice.
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2:19AM on 05/08/2013
On one hand the actors deserve to be recognized monetarily we have to look at the business side of things as well. One big thing to keep in mind before you start saying poor Marvel is the fact that Marvel is making these movies on their own. They may be owned by Disney but Marvel is doing things themselves. They have to remain somewhat frugal because they only release one or two movies a year. They throw too much money at these movies and come up with only one or two bombs and that's the end of
On one hand the actors deserve to be recognized monetarily we have to look at the business side of things as well. One big thing to keep in mind before you start saying poor Marvel is the fact that Marvel is making these movies on their own. They may be owned by Disney but Marvel is doing things themselves. They have to remain somewhat frugal because they only release one or two movies a year. They throw too much money at these movies and come up with only one or two bombs and that's the end of Marvel making their own movies. When a big studio releases 12 or 15 movies in a year then they can afford to be much less frugal. Sure Marvel can be cheap sometimes and it seems like they are rolling in the money (which they are) but that could very well end with just a few bad mistakes. Look at what happened to Carolco in the 90's as a good example at what happens when a successful, small release studio blows too much money and then start coming up with even just a couple bombs.
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11:57AM on 05/08/2013
Dude, Avengers alone grossed 1.5 billion worldwide and is the 3rd highest grossing film of all time. Which is to say nothing of the grosses of the other Marvel phase 1 films. How can Marvel claim poverty when it comes to paying talent?
Dude, Avengers alone grossed 1.5 billion worldwide and is the 3rd highest grossing film of all time. Which is to say nothing of the grosses of the other Marvel phase 1 films. How can Marvel claim poverty when it comes to paying talent?
9:03PM on 05/08/2013
And Carolco had some of the biggest movies of the time (i.e. Terminator II and the Rambo movies) but since they only released a few movies a year a few big bombs and they were suddenly done. No one isn't saying that Marvel hasn't made a ton of money so far but the goal of a business is to stay in business and keep making money.
And Carolco had some of the biggest movies of the time (i.e. Terminator II and the Rambo movies) but since they only released a few movies a year a few big bombs and they were suddenly done. No one isn't saying that Marvel hasn't made a ton of money so far but the goal of a business is to stay in business and keep making money.
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1:56AM on 05/08/2013
I do understand both sides. Downey Jr. stands up for this fellow actors regarding the huge success of those movies. However I understand Marvel as well (and I hated them letting Terence Howard go). They want their characters and stories be the foccus of their cinematic universe not a bunch of actors fishing for bigger and better paychecks with each installment. And quite honest, I dont need another actor earning 100 Million, shooting one film. No actor deserves this, no matter how good he is
I do understand both sides. Downey Jr. stands up for this fellow actors regarding the huge success of those movies. However I understand Marvel as well (and I hated them letting Terence Howard go). They want their characters and stories be the foccus of their cinematic universe not a bunch of actors fishing for bigger and better paychecks with each installment. And quite honest, I dont need another actor earning 100 Million, shooting one film. No actor deserves this, no matter how good he is (most of those A-list guys earn more than the whole crew, producers and director included, combined)! There are so much more stories to tell, do they really need RDJ in another Iron Man movie?
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1:33AM on 05/08/2013

Did you really

Just compare Terrence Howard to Robert Downey Jr.??
Just compare Terrence Howard to Robert Downey Jr.??
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2:00AM on 05/08/2013
Why not? He´s a great actor and could easily carry a franchise (War Machine, Black Panther, Luke Cage) on his own! A few years ago nobody cared about RDJ.
Why not? He´s a great actor and could easily carry a franchise (War Machine, Black Panther, Luke Cage) on his own! A few years ago nobody cared about RDJ.
1:23AM on 05/08/2013
To say RDJ has leverage is an understatement. He holds all the cards. Disney knows that the massive box office Iron Man 3 just took is a sign that all their Marvel properties will see a big boost from the success of Avengers, and Avengers 2 will make over $250 million its opening weekend alone. And he knows the more he gets paid the more his fellow cast members will, both for Avengers and the standalone Marvel films. Evans, Helmsworth, Ruffalo, ScarJo, Renner while all talented and famous
To say RDJ has leverage is an understatement. He holds all the cards. Disney knows that the massive box office Iron Man 3 just took is a sign that all their Marvel properties will see a big boost from the success of Avengers, and Avengers 2 will make over $250 million its opening weekend alone. And he knows the more he gets paid the more his fellow cast members will, both for Avengers and the standalone Marvel films. Evans, Helmsworth, Ruffalo, ScarJo, Renner while all talented and famous were not exactly the top moneymakers in Hollywood prior to Avengers.

All talk of him getting replaced and who knows is a charade....he's absolutely going to get what he wants just as Joss Whedon did.
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12:49AM on 05/08/2013
RDJ isn't leveraging for himself. He's looking out for his friends that aren't in his position and could be easily be replaced (even if their EXCELLENT and talented!). I say RDJ is a standup guy!!!
RDJ isn't leveraging for himself. He's looking out for his friends that aren't in his position and could be easily be replaced (even if their EXCELLENT and talented!). I say RDJ is a standup guy!!!
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12:19AM on 05/08/2013
I posted in the 'RDJ continuing as Iron Man" thread the other day saying that RDJ should stay loyal and appreciate the chance that Marvel took on him.

This was before I was aware of Marrvel's ongoing business practices which seem to be draconian at best. They actually said the break even point for The Avengers was 1.1 billion globally. Are you fucking kidding? They low-balled every party involved in the Avengers except Downey, and have plans to continue doing so because the actors involved
I posted in the 'RDJ continuing as Iron Man" thread the other day saying that RDJ should stay loyal and appreciate the chance that Marvel took on him.

This was before I was aware of Marrvel's ongoing business practices which seem to be draconian at best. They actually said the break even point for The Avengers was 1.1 billion globally. Are you fucking kidding? They low-balled every party involved in the Avengers except Downey, and have plans to continue doing so because the actors involved signed multi-picture deals.

Do you have any idea how ludicrous the claim of a 1.1 billion dollar break even point is? As they say in the article, why would you even make the fucking movie? You would have to be one of the top #10 all time grossing movies just to break even at that price. No reasonable business person could assume that. And that's because it is total bullshit.

The break even price was likely half that and they just didn't want to give Downey or any other party with back end points their money. Downey himself said Marvel was pissed at how much he ended up getting for Avengers. Studio accounting is notoriously shady about stuff like this.

It seems that Downey is the only one with any leverage and is using it to help out his cast-mates. Good for him. How much money is enough? The Avengers made 1.5 billion fucking dollars. Why in god's name can you not spread the wealth a little? As Jack Nicholson once said, "How much better can you eat?"
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12:01AM on 05/08/2013

Cheap?

How is marvel cheap when an one actor gets $70 million for 1 movie?! Here's another thing I can't stand, an actor who never had a movie gross a$100 million, an actor who was pretty much given a second chance with Iron Man and he is going to sit there and play the leverage card?!
I know that Robert Downey is Tony Stark, but they can find another actor who had a drug/ alchol problem to tap into.
How is marvel cheap when an one actor gets $70 million for 1 movie?! Here's another thing I can't stand, an actor who never had a movie gross a$100 million, an actor who was pretty much given a second chance with Iron Man and he is going to sit there and play the leverage card?!
I know that Robert Downey is Tony Stark, but they can find another actor who had a drug/ alchol problem to tap into.
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12:30AM on 05/08/2013
Exactly. ONE actor. The rest of them got very little. Why is Downey using his pull to help out the other actors-- who are largely signed to long term contracts and can't negotiate-- an issue?

Exactly. ONE actor. The rest of them got very little. Why is Downey using his pull to help out the other actors-- who are largely signed to long term contracts and can't negotiate-- an issue?

11:58PM on 05/07/2013
He deserves all the success and money that he has gotten from playing the character, considering he has always done a brilliant job each time he has donned the suit and metal suit.

I say Marvel should give in and pay him whatever he wants because not only is Downey Jr the most vital and essential actor out of everyone involved in these films, but his character is the heart and soul of these films. I want to see Tony Stark/Iron Man to finish his story arc from now to the Avengers 3 and the
He deserves all the success and money that he has gotten from playing the character, considering he has always done a brilliant job each time he has donned the suit and metal suit.

I say Marvel should give in and pay him whatever he wants because not only is Downey Jr the most vital and essential actor out of everyone involved in these films, but his character is the heart and soul of these films. I want to see Tony Stark/Iron Man to finish his story arc from now to the Avengers 3 and the only way that would work is to keep and have Downey Jr. be Tony Stark/Iron Man until the very end. To replace him this late in the story and phases would just be a terrible move by Marvel.

So yeah, Marvel should do the smart and right thing and just give Downey Jr his money and sit back and watch.
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11:44PM on 05/07/2013

Give it to him!

Give it to him for five good reasons
1. The Avengers 2 will probably make a billion dollars.
2. He's a good guy, Robert Downey Jr. will probably end up giving away a lot of the money to charities.
3. It's Robert Downey Jr.! The man has fought a difficult Hollywood career and won against all odds. He's got my vote.
4. If Kristen Stewart can make nearly that much in a half assed performance, I'd much rather see a great actor actually make that amount for a really solid performance.
5. The
Give it to him for five good reasons
1. The Avengers 2 will probably make a billion dollars.
2. He's a good guy, Robert Downey Jr. will probably end up giving away a lot of the money to charities.
3. It's Robert Downey Jr.! The man has fought a difficult Hollywood career and won against all odds. He's got my vote.
4. If Kristen Stewart can make nearly that much in a half assed performance, I'd much rather see a great actor actually make that amount for a really solid performance.
5. The Avengers would not have been the same if he had not been in it.
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11:38PM on 05/07/2013

Just sayin

Regardless, hard for me to relate or sympathize to anyone who made $39 million in 1 movie and $100 million in a combined 2 movies alone. Soo..
Regardless, hard for me to relate or sympathize to anyone who made $39 million in 1 movie and $100 million in a combined 2 movies alone. Soo..
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11:23PM on 05/07/2013

I'm also a RDJ fan...

But what I want to know is, at what point on the road to fame do you decide $35mil is not enough for you? F*ck it, this swimming pool needs more banknotes in it!
But what I want to know is, at what point on the road to fame do you decide $35mil is not enough for you? F*ck it, this swimming pool needs more banknotes in it!
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11:20PM on 05/07/2013

Love RDJ

But if that's the case, just replace Iron Man with someone like Namor, Black Knight, or hell just throw Hercules in there, lol.
But if that's the case, just replace Iron Man with someone like Namor, Black Knight, or hell just throw Hercules in there, lol.
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11:13PM on 05/07/2013

I love Downey JR. But...

Doesn't he have enough money? I mean he made about 100 million just for 2 films! This whole whole thing with him saying he may be done with iron man is obviously just a negotiation strategy. And he had hit rock bottom before he stared as iron man. Marvel resurrected his career! Doesn't he kind of owe them?
Doesn't he have enough money? I mean he made about 100 million just for 2 films! This whole whole thing with him saying he may be done with iron man is obviously just a negotiation strategy. And he had hit rock bottom before he stared as iron man. Marvel resurrected his career! Doesn't he kind of owe them?
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10:50PM on 05/07/2013

Cheap way to keep him

Just put him in the Avenger Movies. I think the Iron Man films have ran it's course anyway.
Just put him in the Avenger Movies. I think the Iron Man films have ran it's course anyway.
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10:30PM on 05/07/2013
Sadly, I feel like Marvel has already been trying to cut costs. When you look at the directors hired for the phase 2 films, they're not big names that are going to require a big paycheck. Same thing with the Guardians of the Galaxy cast. That's not to say they aren't talented and won't make a good film, but it's just something I noticed. As for RDJ, there's a reason he's the guy front and center on the Avengers poster, he's the face of this franchise and the hardest to replace. I really hope
Sadly, I feel like Marvel has already been trying to cut costs. When you look at the directors hired for the phase 2 films, they're not big names that are going to require a big paycheck. Same thing with the Guardians of the Galaxy cast. That's not to say they aren't talented and won't make a good film, but it's just something I noticed. As for RDJ, there's a reason he's the guy front and center on the Avengers poster, he's the face of this franchise and the hardest to replace. I really hope all parties can reach a reasonable agreement and continue to put out quality films.
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10:27PM on 05/07/2013
Nah, I think people are just blowing this out of proportion. Downey's just looking out for his colleagues and making sure that everyone gets their due credit. And at this point, I doubt Marvel will risk letting Downey go. If he leaves, others will too, and then the Avengers dynasty will crumble. Are they looking for a Marvel Universe without Iron Man? Definitely, because it gives them more leverage. Will they risk having that scenario pan out now? Nope.

Everything will be fine. Avengers 2,
Nah, I think people are just blowing this out of proportion. Downey's just looking out for his colleagues and making sure that everyone gets their due credit. And at this point, I doubt Marvel will risk letting Downey go. If he leaves, others will too, and then the Avengers dynasty will crumble. Are they looking for a Marvel Universe without Iron Man? Definitely, because it gives them more leverage. Will they risk having that scenario pan out now? Nope.

Everything will be fine. Avengers 2, bring it on!
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10:24PM on 05/07/2013

They NEED to bring RDJ back

He's the whole reason this franchise made it off the ground in the first place, PAY THE MAN
He's the whole reason this franchise made it off the ground in the first place, PAY THE MAN
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10:33PM on 05/07/2013
Did you even read the article? RDJ made $100 million off Iron Man 3 and the Avengers.
Did you even read the article? RDJ made $100 million off Iron Man 3 and the Avengers.
12:18AM on 05/08/2013
And? Neither would have been what they are without him and how he brought stark to life, if say Tom cruise had played the role it would not be where it is right now, so what if he's made a shitload of money? Does that mean he shouldn't get paid just because he's made so much?
And? Neither would have been what they are without him and how he brought stark to life, if say Tom cruise had played the role it would not be where it is right now, so what if he's made a shitload of money? Does that mean he shouldn't get paid just because he's made so much?
1:46PM on 05/08/2013
I agree. So what if he has made 100 million? Marvel has made 20x that from him playing Iron Man.
I agree. So what if he has made 100 million? Marvel has made 20x that from him playing Iron Man.
10:21PM on 05/07/2013
This is kind of a no-win scenario, isn't it? I mean, yeah, Marvel has made a ton of money but they have spent a lot of money too. If he tries to get a 9 figure deal or something, they may have to cut corners where need be in order to not treat his colleagues like shit, which woudn't happen because it would risk the final product and thus box office. Or, they say no and replace him, which also risks box office draw. He could take a pay cut, which would be a selfless act of epic proportions, and
This is kind of a no-win scenario, isn't it? I mean, yeah, Marvel has made a ton of money but they have spent a lot of money too. If he tries to get a 9 figure deal or something, they may have to cut corners where need be in order to not treat his colleagues like shit, which woudn't happen because it would risk the final product and thus box office. Or, they say no and replace him, which also risks box office draw. He could take a pay cut, which would be a selfless act of epic proportions, and yet that's unfair since he is a big reason these movies make so much.
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10:18PM on 05/07/2013
Hope this doesn't get ugly because we the fans will have the most to lose.
Hope this doesn't get ugly because we the fans will have the most to lose.
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10:06PM on 05/07/2013

Pony up Marvel

Banner and Rhodes have both already been recast. Don't make the same mistake again. I know I'm in the minority when I say I prefer Norton and Howard but still. If Stark or Thor get recast, it'll be much more of an issue.

I think the non-RDJs should make more, but the amount he's made off being Iron Man is insane. He has no reason to complain. But I like that he's sticking up for his fellow Avengers.
Banner and Rhodes have both already been recast. Don't make the same mistake again. I know I'm in the minority when I say I prefer Norton and Howard but still. If Stark or Thor get recast, it'll be much more of an issue.

I think the non-RDJs should make more, but the amount he's made off being Iron Man is insane. He has no reason to complain. But I like that he's sticking up for his fellow Avengers.
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10:30PM on 05/07/2013
It was sort of their faults though. Norton acted unprofessionally because scenes he insisted be rewritten weren't so he threw some tantrums and when he would do press for the film, he was very unenthusiastic. He was fired for forgetting his place in the pecking order (something he has a reputation for anyway). Howard's situation is a little different. He wasn't the first choice, but was the highest paid actor from Iron Man 1 and when he asked for a pay raise and tried to stonewall them, they
It was sort of their faults though. Norton acted unprofessionally because scenes he insisted be rewritten weren't so he threw some tantrums and when he would do press for the film, he was very unenthusiastic. He was fired for forgetting his place in the pecking order (something he has a reputation for anyway). Howard's situation is a little different. He wasn't the first choice, but was the highest paid actor from Iron Man 1 and when he asked for a pay raise and tried to stonewall them, they called his bluff and he lost out. Sometimes, investments are worth big payouts, but excessive ones or ones for characters that are fairly inconsequential to the success of the film, despite fairly large roles, can drive studios into the ground.

Besides, no one really complains when characters get redrawn in comics, so it doesn't really bother me when there's a recast so long as it's not a downgrade. You may have preferred Norton and Howard, but I've never like Howard (dat voice) and Ruffalo's Banner seemed more complex and dynamic than Norton. He felt more like someone who's been on the run from the Army and himself for quite some time.
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10:03PM on 05/07/2013
I think the real question is: is Marvel smart enough to make the investment? Because that's what RDJ is. And it's no wonder he doesn't want to get the low end from Marvel. He's done four of their films and is essentially the central figure when it comes to the Avengers. I know that all the characters have their limelight and rightful place, but RDJ's Tony Stark really is the soul. If Marvel is smart, they know this. If they're smart, then they will give RDJ what he wants so he can continue
I think the real question is: is Marvel smart enough to make the investment? Because that's what RDJ is. And it's no wonder he doesn't want to get the low end from Marvel. He's done four of their films and is essentially the central figure when it comes to the Avengers. I know that all the characters have their limelight and rightful place, but RDJ's Tony Stark really is the soul. If Marvel is smart, they know this. If they're smart, then they will give RDJ what he wants so he can continue being Stark. However, I am all for replacing him the moment he starts phoning in his performance, though I can hardly think of a suitable replacement.
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9:59PM on 05/07/2013

cheapo

so the main villain is not Thanos now its Marvel
so the main villain is not Thanos now its Marvel
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9:57PM on 05/07/2013
Come on, Marvel, you've got tons of profit from your Marvel movies, including The Avengers. Don't be stingy.
Come on, Marvel, you've got tons of profit from your Marvel movies, including The Avengers. Don't be stingy.
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9:49PM on 05/07/2013
It is sadly the one stain that keeps coming back to bite Marvel they low ball their talent. I remember Samuel L. being quite vocal during his early negotiations that he was being low-balled in a major way as well, not just Terence Howard. One would hope that with Avengers making $1.5B on box office alone that they would spend some more money to secure their investment there are very few franchises with which one can all but guarantee a $1B+ return on a particular film, so cutting into that
It is sadly the one stain that keeps coming back to bite Marvel they low ball their talent. I remember Samuel L. being quite vocal during his early negotiations that he was being low-balled in a major way as well, not just Terence Howard. One would hope that with Avengers making $1.5B on box office alone that they would spend some more money to secure their investment there are very few franchises with which one can all but guarantee a $1B+ return on a particular film, so cutting into that margin slightly is a small price to ensure the flick gets made, one would hope. Hopefully good business sense will triumph over egos certainly this is disconcerting to see.
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9:47PM on 05/07/2013

"Anyone remember the tale of Terrence Howard?"

Terrence Howard played a role that could easily be recast.
Terrence Howard played a role that could easily be recast.
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4:43AM on 05/08/2013
And was.
And was.
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