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Rumor: Frank Miller meeting with Zack Snyder for Batman vs. Superman movie

07.31.2013

Here's a pretty cool rumor surrounding the BATMAN VS. SUPERMAN movie.

When the project was announced at Comic Con, fans were overcome with excitement. Then the next logical train of thought, okay well there's two was: 1. Who will play Batman? (don't worry we'll cover that this week) 2. What story will they go with?

Before the logo was flashed for everyone to see, Harry Lennix read some dialogue from Miller's THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS. Then BOOM! Snyder said that they wouldn't be adapting the graphic novel that pit the two heroes together in a brutal knock down drag out.

A source close to Miller told The Independent this:

“Frank had no idea the announcement in San Diego was going to happen so it did come as a surprise. He’s going to be meeting up with Zach in the next few days to go over the plans for the Superman film so things should be clearer after that.”

Perhaps Snyder is trying to get some tips and clues on what he should do with the film instead of pull directly from Miller's work. The film could be a combination of several comics that Batman and Superman have been in, or it could be an original work. Will be interesting to see what they come up with.

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11:35AM on 08/02/2013

Nobody Knows Batman better than Miller

He's the sole reason Batman is the Batman we all know and love, so anything he can bring to the table is cool with me.
He's the sole reason Batman is the Batman we all know and love, so anything he can bring to the table is cool with me.
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9:55PM on 08/01/2013
I don't really care since it's likely just some pre-vis marketing, but I had to laugh at the big, fat, bat symbol behind the slick new age superman crest.
I don't really care since it's likely just some pre-vis marketing, but I had to laugh at the big, fat, bat symbol behind the slick new age superman crest.
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8:24PM on 08/01/2013

HOLD ON A MINUTE!!!

Maybe this is one meeting out of many with lots of different writers. At least I hope so. Remember now, they will probably take lots of different ideas from many writers and make their own movie like with MOS.
Maybe this is one meeting out of many with lots of different writers. At least I hope so. Remember now, they will probably take lots of different ideas from many writers and make their own movie like with MOS.
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7:17PM on 08/01/2013

What a nightmare

The "Dark Knight Strikes Back" guy is advising. How could this get worse? Costume designs by Rob Liefeld?
The "Dark Knight Strikes Back" guy is advising. How could this get worse? Costume designs by Rob Liefeld?
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2:00PM on 08/01/2013

Crowd pleasing nonsense...

BatStud hit it on the head. Plus - Zack Snyder's no comic fan...he makes BMW ads. This is gonna be some lame, faux-gloom laden, ultra stylish 'punch-out' I'm sure, judging from 'TDKR' reading at comic-con. Expect to be disappointed.
BatStud hit it on the head. Plus - Zack Snyder's no comic fan...he makes BMW ads. This is gonna be some lame, faux-gloom laden, ultra stylish 'punch-out' I'm sure, judging from 'TDKR' reading at comic-con. Expect to be disappointed.
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8:05AM on 08/02/2013
Wait a minute...Snyder's not a comic book fan? The guy who was slavish to 300...the man who made the un-filmable Watchmen into a pretty goddamn good movie...and the dude who made the Superman movie I've waited my whole life for isn't a comic book fan? Seriously?
Wait a minute...Snyder's not a comic book fan? The guy who was slavish to 300...the man who made the un-filmable Watchmen into a pretty goddamn good movie...and the dude who made the Superman movie I've waited my whole life for isn't a comic book fan? Seriously?
1:27PM on 08/01/2013

Keep him FAR away from Batman.

"I'm the God Damn Batman" - 'nuff said.
"I'm the God Damn Batman" - 'nuff said.
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11:10AM on 08/01/2013

seems appropriate...

Frank Miller is the comic version of Zack Snyder. all style, little substance.

(worried)
Frank Miller is the comic version of Zack Snyder. all style, little substance.

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10:51AM on 08/01/2013
All-Star Batman and Robin, The Dark Knight Strikes Again, he originally wanted Holy Terror to be a Batman story I believe... yeah, this would be TERRIBLE.
All-Star Batman and Robin, The Dark Knight Strikes Again, he originally wanted Holy Terror to be a Batman story I believe... yeah, this would be TERRIBLE.
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10:39AM on 08/01/2013
Disney needs to buy DC, then we would get some good movies and a decent cinematic universe.
Disney needs to buy DC, then we would get some good movies and a decent cinematic universe.
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4:36PM on 08/18/2013
no fuckin way! never do i want a chance for DC and Marvel to be under the same company!!! thats blasphemy!!! you want to know why??? google: Amalgam comics. or any other DC/Marvel crossover... THEY ARE FUCKING HORRIBLE!!! its just wrong and itll never work, and it should never be done... let comic universes stay by themselves.... their own universes are big enough.....
no fuckin way! never do i want a chance for DC and Marvel to be under the same company!!! thats blasphemy!!! you want to know why??? google: Amalgam comics. or any other DC/Marvel crossover... THEY ARE FUCKING HORRIBLE!!! its just wrong and itll never work, and it should never be done... let comic universes stay by themselves.... their own universes are big enough.....
9:15AM on 08/01/2013
Bad idea. Miller got stuck in Sin City mode ages ago. Didn't Snyder & co. see the atrocious The Spirit?
Bad idea. Miller got stuck in Sin City mode ages ago. Didn't Snyder & co. see the atrocious The Spirit?
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8:07AM on 08/01/2013
Sounds to me like they announced this at Comic-Con for the sake of announcing it. Now you're telling us they're bringing in Frank Miller, which tells me they don't have any strong ideas for a storyline or how to cohesively put these two characters together.
Sounds to me like they announced this at Comic-Con for the sake of announcing it. Now you're telling us they're bringing in Frank Miller, which tells me they don't have any strong ideas for a storyline or how to cohesively put these two characters together.
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6:07AM on 08/01/2013
Yeah, Frank Miller was the shite...a decade ago!
Yeah, Frank Miller was the shite...a decade ago!
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6:05AM on 08/01/2013
I'm still not keen on a just on the block Superman meeting up with a Batman...who to the watching audience will also have just arrived on the scene. I understand WB's are playing catch up with Marvel...but heck, they'd have cut themselves the greatest ever shortcut, if they just fine tuned Nolan's Dark Knight Rises and bought it in to this world. You'd have an 8-10 year old established Batman (albeit with a 8 year hiatus) on the block and looking at the Man of Steel with much concern. You'd
I'm still not keen on a just on the block Superman meeting up with a Batman...who to the watching audience will also have just arrived on the scene. I understand WB's are playing catch up with Marvel...but heck, they'd have cut themselves the greatest ever shortcut, if they just fine tuned Nolan's Dark Knight Rises and bought it in to this world. You'd have an 8-10 year old established Batman (albeit with a 8 year hiatus) on the block and looking at the Man of Steel with much concern. You'd essentially have Batman thinking he's too powerful but accepting he's good...and then Luthor on the other side...thinking he's too powerful and is jealous / wants the power. Would have made for a great basis to launch this movie from. I'm sorry, I canít but help cry over spilt milk! :o(
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7:57AM on 08/01/2013
Who says it will be a new Batman? Perhaps this Batman has already fought Ras Al Ghul and the Joker. In fact, you pretty much have to assume that Batman has been around for a few years if the villains are Luthor and the Joker. It would be a bit much if everybody were meeting for the first time. Presumably Luthor and the Joker will join forces against Superman and the Batman. It wouldn't make much sense if the Joker and batman had never met and there was no history between them.

The Dark
Who says it will be a new Batman? Perhaps this Batman has already fought Ras Al Ghul and the Joker. In fact, you pretty much have to assume that Batman has been around for a few years if the villains are Luthor and the Joker. It would be a bit much if everybody were meeting for the first time. Presumably Luthor and the Joker will join forces against Superman and the Batman. It wouldn't make much sense if the Joker and batman had never met and there was no history between them.

The Dark Knight Trilogy was set in a world in which no other heroes did not exist. Now we have Batman and Superman in the same universe. This is a world in which Bane's plot to destroy Gotham would have had to have been handled very differently.
9:11AM on 08/01/2013
"The Dark Knight Trilogy was set in a world in which no other heroes did not exist" True but that's easily worked around. At the time of Bane's plot - you had a Green Lantern movie. If WB wanted to include this in the DC cinematic universe as well, it could have just been explained that Reynolds' Hal Jordan found his ring a little time after the events of the Gotham siege. The events of Man of Steel could also have been set after the siege. Kal-El would still have been a powerful being but
"The Dark Knight Trilogy was set in a world in which no other heroes did not exist" True but that's easily worked around. At the time of Bane's plot - you had a Green Lantern movie. If WB wanted to include this in the DC cinematic universe as well, it could have just been explained that Reynolds' Hal Jordan found his ring a little time after the events of the Gotham siege. The events of Man of Steel could also have been set after the siege. Kal-El would still have been a powerful being but it could have been explained away by either him not wanting to expose himself on that level (up until Zod arriving, he did small time stuff - push a bus out of the water - save a few people from an oil rig - witnesses, yes, but not a lot of people to piece it all together - besides, with the words of a dead human father in his head - perhaps he'd heed Costners' words about not exposing his powers to the world). Don't like that, what about Kal-El still not knowing the limits of his powers - so didn't want to try to help due to threat of blowing the bomb if anyone tried to intervene and help the people of Gotham. Don't like that? Perhaps Man of Steel could have been changed a little so Kal-El rec'd a lengthy spell of training once he discovered Jor-El and was cut off from life outside the ship - and this happened to coincide with the siege. The rest of the super powered beings only show themselves once Man of Steel revealed himself. The comics often have their heroes isolated from outside help when we know full well there are others out there who could sort out their predicaments in quick fashion.
10:42AM on 08/01/2013
Riz Man. That's actually not that bad of a idea. Having Green Lantern take place just after the Gotham takeover. And having Man of Steel take place during the very same timeline of that film.
Riz Man. That's actually not that bad of a idea. Having Green Lantern take place just after the Gotham takeover. And having Man of Steel take place during the very same timeline of that film.
5:31AM on 08/01/2013

Don't let Miller near this project

As much as I LOVE Year One and TDKR, Miller has lost it regarding Batman with his "All-star" run and particularly "The Dark Knight Strikes Again". Oh my God what a piece of shit that was.
Plus, if the script by Aronofski and Miller for the cancelled Year One is legit, you've got to be kidding me !
Thank God for Batman Begins.
Don't they dare bring that Big Al shit.
As much as I LOVE Year One and TDKR, Miller has lost it regarding Batman with his "All-star" run and particularly "The Dark Knight Strikes Again". Oh my God what a piece of shit that was.
Plus, if the script by Aronofski and Miller for the cancelled Year One is legit, you've got to be kidding me !
Thank God for Batman Begins.
Don't they dare bring that Big Al shit.
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2:41AM on 08/01/2013

They gotta fix that Bat-logo.

While I LOVE Frank Miller's work and the Dark Knight Returns, I don't like the idea that they are channeling anything from that beloved graphic novel for the next movie. There was DECADES of crap built up between Clark and Bruce that created part of the reason that they were sort of on opposite sides of the fight in that story. In the sequel, Clark comes around to Bruce's side anyway...but my point is that while I don't mind a little friction at first between the two, at heart these guys are
While I LOVE Frank Miller's work and the Dark Knight Returns, I don't like the idea that they are channeling anything from that beloved graphic novel for the next movie. There was DECADES of crap built up between Clark and Bruce that created part of the reason that they were sort of on opposite sides of the fight in that story. In the sequel, Clark comes around to Bruce's side anyway...but my point is that while I don't mind a little friction at first between the two, at heart these guys are both heroes trying to do the right thing and should mostly get along. They're getting inspiration from a book that was riffing off of YEARS of history between the two, and yet this will be the first time they meet in the cinematic world.
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9:56AM on 08/02/2013
do you think they should fix that bat-logo?
do you think they should fix that bat-logo?
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2:40AM on 08/01/2013

They gotta fix that Bat-logo.

While I LOVE Frank Miller's work and the Dark Knight Returns, I don't like the idea that they are channeling anything from that beloved graphic novel for the next movie. There was DECADES of crap built up between Clark and Bruce that created part of the reason that they were sort of on opposite sides of the fight in that story. In the sequel, Clark comes around to Bruce's side anyway...but my point is that while I don't mind a little friction at first between the two, at heart these guys are
While I LOVE Frank Miller's work and the Dark Knight Returns, I don't like the idea that they are channeling anything from that beloved graphic novel for the next movie. There was DECADES of crap built up between Clark and Bruce that created part of the reason that they were sort of on opposite sides of the fight in that story. In the sequel, Clark comes around to Bruce's side anyway...but my point is that while I don't mind a little friction at first between the two, at heart these guys are both heroes trying to do the right thing and should mostly get along. They're getting inspiration from a book that was riffing off of YEARS of history between the two, and yet this will be the first time they meet in the cinematic world.
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2:38AM on 08/01/2013

They gotta fix that Bat-logo.

While I LOVE Frank Miller's work and the Dark Knight Returns, I don't like the idea that they are channeling anything from that beloved graphic novel for the next movie. There was DECADES of crap built up between Clark and Bruce that created part of the reason that they were sort of on opposite sides of the fight in that story. In the sequel, Clark comes around to Bruce's side anyway...but my point is that while I don't mind a little friction at first between the two, at heart these guys are
While I LOVE Frank Miller's work and the Dark Knight Returns, I don't like the idea that they are channeling anything from that beloved graphic novel for the next movie. There was DECADES of crap built up between Clark and Bruce that created part of the reason that they were sort of on opposite sides of the fight in that story. In the sequel, Clark comes around to Bruce's side anyway...but my point is that while I don't mind a little friction at first between the two, at heart these guys are both heroes trying to do the right thing and should mostly get along. They're getting inspiration from a book that was riffing off of YEARS of history between the two, and yet this will be the first time they meet in the cinematic world.
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12:34AM on 08/01/2013
Miller lost his mojo years ago (that and a lot else as well clearly). He is a burn out in my opinion. Talk to Paul Dini, Grant Morrison, heck even young new blood like Scott Snyder (who is kicking ass right now as the current writer). Just basically talk to any writer who actually loves Batman and you will be fine
Miller lost his mojo years ago (that and a lot else as well clearly). He is a burn out in my opinion. Talk to Paul Dini, Grant Morrison, heck even young new blood like Scott Snyder (who is kicking ass right now as the current writer). Just basically talk to any writer who actually loves Batman and you will be fine
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5:36AM on 08/01/2013
I agree totally with you regarding Paul Dini and Scott Snyder. But fuck Morisson. That "Batman Inc" idea is the worst and totally out of character. Plus the whole death of Bruce Wayne and time-travelling resurrection was awful.
I agree totally with you regarding Paul Dini and Scott Snyder. But fuck Morisson. That "Batman Inc" idea is the worst and totally out of character. Plus the whole death of Bruce Wayne and time-travelling resurrection was awful.
12:21AM on 08/01/2013
Batman isnt a psychopathic killer as Miller likes to portray him. Lets hope Snyder doesnt listen to him too much.
Batman isnt a psychopathic killer as Miller likes to portray him. Lets hope Snyder doesnt listen to him too much.
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2:14AM on 08/01/2013
Yep - Batman is not Crazy Steve! Although Atop the Fourth Wall videos do run pretty long, Linkara has done a great job breaking down just why Frank Miller gets so much wrong when it comes to writing Batman.
Yep - Batman is not Crazy Steve! Although Atop the Fourth Wall videos do run pretty long, Linkara has done a great job breaking down just why Frank Miller gets so much wrong when it comes to writing Batman.
12:05AM on 08/01/2013
Free advice to Zack Snyder on creating a proper Batman...put down the Frank Miller. Read Dennis O'Neill, Jeph Loeb (particularly Dark Victory, Hush, and Superman/Batman: Public Enemies), early Grant Morrison, and make Bruce Timm your new best friend.

Batman is a hero, not the simplistic, impulsive psychopath Miller insists upon. Even though Year One and TDKR are clear influences upon the Nolan trilogy...Nolan was careful to not make Batman a vengeful character, but one that fights for
Free advice to Zack Snyder on creating a proper Batman...put down the Frank Miller. Read Dennis O'Neill, Jeph Loeb (particularly Dark Victory, Hush, and Superman/Batman: Public Enemies), early Grant Morrison, and make Bruce Timm your new best friend.

Batman is a hero, not the simplistic, impulsive psychopath Miller insists upon. Even though Year One and TDKR are clear influences upon the Nolan trilogy...Nolan was careful to not make Batman a vengeful character, but one that fights for justice and balance and protection of the innocent.
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12:41AM on 08/01/2013
I agree.
I agree.
5:30AM on 08/01/2013
Yes! Batman IS a hero, and Frank Miller has failed to understand this every single time. He has this pessimistic view on the world that's just so depressing. Even Gordon is a damaged character in his books, and I hate that. Batman, in all his darkness, is in fact a symbol that good things can come out of tragedy and a corrupted mess like Gotham City. That's the whole point. I love how Nolan took inspiration from Miller but filtered all the crap out. Gordon in Nolan's trilogy is perfect, and his
Yes! Batman IS a hero, and Frank Miller has failed to understand this every single time. He has this pessimistic view on the world that's just so depressing. Even Gordon is a damaged character in his books, and I hate that. Batman, in all his darkness, is in fact a symbol that good things can come out of tragedy and a corrupted mess like Gotham City. That's the whole point. I love how Nolan took inspiration from Miller but filtered all the crap out. Gordon in Nolan's trilogy is perfect, and his relationship with Batman is by far the best thing of the trilogy next to The Joker. Bruce Timm is the guy for the job. Miller's Batman is just a sociopathic, damaged human being bent on revenge. Timm's Batman is always dark, mysterious, and has the conviction of a true icon.
5:39AM on 08/01/2013
Jeph Loeb got it so right with Long Halloween.
Jeph Loeb got it so right with Long Halloween.
11:11PM on 07/31/2013

Okey dokey

Will it be a comedy like Jason VS Freddy ?
Will it be a comedy like Jason VS Freddy ?
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10:43PM on 07/31/2013

Not planned out

After comic-con people were acting like WB had this planned for a long time and comparing them to marvel, this news goes to show that they only know how to do money grabs and not tell good stories. Marvel and Joss did pull an audible and change Avengers 2 but the pieces are still in place to move Thanos forward in other ways, but WB has nothing planned out and just seems to throw things in screen while they try to figure out how to make other DC movies work
After comic-con people were acting like WB had this planned for a long time and comparing them to marvel, this news goes to show that they only know how to do money grabs and not tell good stories. Marvel and Joss did pull an audible and change Avengers 2 but the pieces are still in place to move Thanos forward in other ways, but WB has nothing planned out and just seems to throw things in screen while they try to figure out how to make other DC movies work
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2:40AM on 08/01/2013
I wholeheartedly agree...the WB has never had a plan and they treat their comic book licenses with utter disdain.
I wholeheartedly agree...the WB has never had a plan and they treat their comic book licenses with utter disdain.
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10:28PM on 07/31/2013

How About Bruce Timm Instead?

How about he not meet with Snyder? I respect Miller and the way his work has influenced comics, pop-culture, and cinema over the years, but his approach doesn't really work well anymore. His take on things are always bleak and dark and depressing. I absolutely love how gritty Nolan's take on Batman was, but now it's time to go the Arkham route and make things more fun. Keep Batman mysterious and very much like the Kevin Conroy version, but also let the movie be cool and fun. Miler should stay
How about he not meet with Snyder? I respect Miller and the way his work has influenced comics, pop-culture, and cinema over the years, but his approach doesn't really work well anymore. His take on things are always bleak and dark and depressing. I absolutely love how gritty Nolan's take on Batman was, but now it's time to go the Arkham route and make things more fun. Keep Batman mysterious and very much like the Kevin Conroy version, but also let the movie be cool and fun. Miler should stay away. Get Bruce Timm on board!
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10:45PM on 07/31/2013
Agree, some of the DC animation movies are better stories than the regular films.
Agree, some of the DC animation movies are better stories than the regular films.
10:54PM on 07/31/2013
Bruce Timm should really oversee the DC film universe. He knows as much as anyone and could really help shape their film universe as they bring it out. He's the perfect consultant for them. Don't really see what Frank Miller would add to this other than Snyder filming some fight bits from TDKR.
Bruce Timm should really oversee the DC film universe. He knows as much as anyone and could really help shape their film universe as they bring it out. He's the perfect consultant for them. Don't really see what Frank Miller would add to this other than Snyder filming some fight bits from TDKR.
2:41AM on 08/01/2013
Hell yes.
Hell yes.
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10:28PM on 07/31/2013
I'd feel alot safer if Zack met with say Grant Morrison, Mark Waid or Paul Dini.
I'd feel alot safer if Zack met with say Grant Morrison, Mark Waid or Paul Dini.
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10:24PM on 07/31/2013
Nope, please keep Frank Miller far away from this. Yes, he gave us Batman: Year One and The Dark Knight Returns, but he's also given us The Dark Knight Strikes Again, the mind-numbingly awful All Star Batman and Robin, Holy Terror and of course his directorial effort, The Spirit.
Nope, please keep Frank Miller far away from this. Yes, he gave us Batman: Year One and The Dark Knight Returns, but he's also given us The Dark Knight Strikes Again, the mind-numbingly awful All Star Batman and Robin, Holy Terror and of course his directorial effort, The Spirit.
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11:13PM on 07/31/2013
The Spirit popped to mind first for me. And then you went and reminded me of DK Strikes Again. Holy hell . . .

Hard to believe the guy who brought us DK Returns has created so much crap since . . .
The Spirit popped to mind first for me. And then you went and reminded me of DK Strikes Again. Holy hell . . .

Hard to believe the guy who brought us DK Returns has created so much crap since . . .
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10:18PM on 07/31/2013
Just another nail in the coffin of a rushed craptastic DC movie.
Just another nail in the coffin of a rushed craptastic DC movie.
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9:55PM on 07/31/2013
I really, really hope not.
He used to be great, but his latest stuff it's just hilariously bad.
I really, really hope not.
He used to be great, but his latest stuff it's just hilariously bad.
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9:49PM on 07/31/2013

I know I can't have what I reallty want

Which is a *quality* film adaptation of Red Son. Look, you can even have Batman in there.
Which is a *quality* film adaptation of Red Son. Look, you can even have Batman in there.
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9:35PM on 07/31/2013

Matt Bomer.

Matt Bomer for Batman!
Matt Bomer for Batman!
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10:31PM on 07/31/2013
Seriously??? They might as well save money and have Cavill play BOTH leads.
Seriously??? They might as well save money and have Cavill play BOTH leads.
8:57PM on 07/31/2013

Hmmmm...

Definitely neutral on this...Love some of Miller's work and thoroughly confused by the borderline atrocity of the rest. When the guy is on he's right on when he's off he's waaaay off. I know Scott Snyder is kind of the new kid on the Batman block but his run for the last year and a half in the comics has been spectacular. If they want "perspectives" on Bats I'd put him on the list. That being said they're probably just gonna have lunch and talk about their mutual love for the character.
Definitely neutral on this...Love some of Miller's work and thoroughly confused by the borderline atrocity of the rest. When the guy is on he's right on when he's off he's waaaay off. I know Scott Snyder is kind of the new kid on the Batman block but his run for the last year and a half in the comics has been spectacular. If they want "perspectives" on Bats I'd put him on the list. That being said they're probably just gonna have lunch and talk about their mutual love for the character.
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8:39PM on 07/31/2013

No. Dear God No.

Frank Miller is the biggest hack working in comics today. Decades ago he wrote two great Batman stories, since then all of his Bat stuff is crap. Unreadable crap. He gets so much credit for Year One and Dark Knight Returns that people forget All-Star Batman and Dark Knight Strikes Back. Oh yeah, and his adaptation of his own work he did 12 years ago when he wrote the screenplay for the failed Year One movie. As a long time Batman fan, this rumor is very disheartening. If this is true my
Frank Miller is the biggest hack working in comics today. Decades ago he wrote two great Batman stories, since then all of his Bat stuff is crap. Unreadable crap. He gets so much credit for Year One and Dark Knight Returns that people forget All-Star Batman and Dark Knight Strikes Back. Oh yeah, and his adaptation of his own work he did 12 years ago when he wrote the screenplay for the failed Year One movie. As a long time Batman fan, this rumor is very disheartening. If this is true my enthusiasm for this movie just dropped 110%. Paul Dini and Dennis O'Neil have written far more better Batman stories than Miller has, but they never get any mainstream love. Miller helping on this movie is as bad as Uwe Boll directing it, in my opinion. Don't believe me? Go watch his adaptation of The Spirit. Watch the whole thing. I dare you.
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9:47PM on 07/31/2013
I have to agree. I'm more of a Marvel guy when it comes to mainstream comics, but I've read enough Miller to know he's significantly overrated in critical circles. A lot of what he does that's good is at the conceptual level, and the farther down he goes with the details, that's when things fall apart.
I have to agree. I'm more of a Marvel guy when it comes to mainstream comics, but I've read enough Miller to know he's significantly overrated in critical circles. A lot of what he does that's good is at the conceptual level, and the farther down he goes with the details, that's when things fall apart.
9:53PM on 07/31/2013
And don't forget, Miller is responsible for the cinematic abortion that was Robocop 3.
And don't forget, Miller is responsible for the cinematic abortion that was Robocop 3.
8:25AM on 08/01/2013
Frank Miller is credited for Robocop 2 _and_ 3 for writing the story, not the final scripts.
Frank Miller is credited for Robocop 2 _and_ 3 for writing the story, not the final scripts.
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8:21PM on 07/31/2013

Remember..

That episode of Batman Beyond when Terry joins the new JLA, only to discover that future Supes has been taken over by some frigging one-eyed starfish alien...

yeah, that was cool.
That episode of Batman Beyond when Terry joins the new JLA, only to discover that future Supes has been taken over by some frigging one-eyed starfish alien...

yeah, that was cool.
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11:46PM on 08/01/2013
I remember that. Was a 2 parter. It was pretty good.
I remember that. Was a 2 parter. It was pretty good.
7:44PM on 07/31/2013
A year or 2 ago I never understood the hate Miller got thrown at him... I get it now. Wonder how this will affect his position at Fox "running" the Marvel films?
A year or 2 ago I never understood the hate Miller got thrown at him... I get it now. Wonder how this will affect his position at Fox "running" the Marvel films?
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7:49PM on 07/31/2013
Frank Miller and Mark Millar are two different people.
Frank Miller and Mark Millar are two different people.
7:53PM on 07/31/2013
Frank Miller and Mark Millar are two different people. Plus nobody hates either of them: Frank Miller did runs on Daredevil and Batman and created Sin City and 300; Mark Millar did runs on the X-Men and the Avengers and created Wanted and Kick Ass. They've earned their respective positions in the industry.
Frank Miller and Mark Millar are two different people. Plus nobody hates either of them: Frank Miller did runs on Daredevil and Batman and created Sin City and 300; Mark Millar did runs on the X-Men and the Avengers and created Wanted and Kick Ass. They've earned their respective positions in the industry.
8:59PM on 07/31/2013
@MartinPhipps, while I don't hear much about Mark Millar one way or the other, over the past decade and a half, Frank Miller has garnered a huge amount of haters, that while respecting his earlier, good work, can barely take his ramblings or comics serious any more. A ton of people currently hate him, deservedly so, IMO.

@Daredevil, wrong Miller entirely.
@MartinPhipps, while I don't hear much about Mark Millar one way or the other, over the past decade and a half, Frank Miller has garnered a huge amount of haters, that while respecting his earlier, good work, can barely take his ramblings or comics serious any more. A ton of people currently hate him, deservedly so, IMO.

@Daredevil, wrong Miller entirely.
10:12PM on 07/31/2013
Your correcti got them confused, Frank is the one who gets the heat.
Your correcti got them confused, Frank is the one who gets the heat.
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7:42PM on 07/31/2013
This gonna be awesome movie if Snyder just pay attention to Fcking Frank Master Miller ....
This gonna be awesome movie if Snyder just pay attention to Fcking Frank Master Miller ....
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7:41PM on 07/31/2013
Christ.

I'm actually genuinely annoyed that I'm going to have to spend the next year and change reading headlines and news about this movie knowing full well it's most likely going to be as po-faced, dire, overly preachy, faux "epic", messy, plot hole filled character assassination of a movie as Man of Steel (and even Dark Knight Rises) was.

What I'd give to have a smaller budgeted, noir Batman movie concentrating on him taking down some street level crime and doing some actual detective
Christ.

I'm actually genuinely annoyed that I'm going to have to spend the next year and change reading headlines and news about this movie knowing full well it's most likely going to be as po-faced, dire, overly preachy, faux "epic", messy, plot hole filled character assassination of a movie as Man of Steel (and even Dark Knight Rises) was.

What I'd give to have a smaller budgeted, noir Batman movie concentrating on him taking down some street level crime and doing some actual detective work on a localised case that doesn't include the entire annihilation of a city, perhaps using some of the more fantastical characters from the comics to remind audiences of these movies source material.

I don't want every conversation to be a meaningful epic speech, I want characters to interact like they actually should do, I want heroes who promote the "no guns no killing" ethic, and don't end up killing half of their entire rogues gallery through neck snaps, five story rugby tackles, bike missiles and plane missiles. But instead actually bring them to JUSTICE. I want to see Batman take on, let's say Clayface or Poison Ivy, and it be noir and dark, but not hide it behind a curtain of GRITTY REALISM!! I want a Superman that's light, and inspiring, and not dour and angsty. A Superman that is the thematic opposite of Batman, the way he SHOULD be. I want a Pa Kent who is JUST as inspiring and believes in Clark, instead of telling him to hide himself, to change to fit in with people, not to stand out and to let kids die on buses before dying in a ridiculous fucking tornado.

I'm already bored of this film and its awful awful logo.
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8:01PM on 07/31/2013
A-fucking-men. *slow clap*
A-fucking-men. *slow clap*
9:52PM on 07/31/2013
Ditto. This movie and the leadup to it is going to be a million facepalms.
Ditto. This movie and the leadup to it is going to be a million facepalms.
8:39AM on 08/01/2013
I'm already more interested in Guy's proposed movies than stupid, depressing shit in the vein of 'Man of Steel'.
I'm already more interested in Guy's proposed movies than stupid, depressing shit in the vein of 'Man of Steel'.
7:37PM on 07/31/2013

I'm the goddamn Batman!

25 years ago: Hooray!
Present: Ah No! Noooo!
25 years ago: Hooray!
Present: Ah No! Noooo!
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7:35PM on 07/31/2013

I'm the goddamn Batman!

25 years ago: Hooray!
Present: Ah No! Noooo!
25 years ago: Hooray!
Present: Ah No! Noooo!
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7:38PM on 07/31/2013
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