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Sylvester Stallone is certain Expendables 4 will be rated R

11.24.2014

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There's no doubts that with a $40 million domestic gross, THE EXPENDABLES 3 was not the home-run Lionsgate and director Patrick Hughes were swinging for. Despite toting its most robust cast to date, the film underperformed its previous two installments by a pretty wide margin. So what was the fault? The PG-13 rating? The movie leaking online three weeks before the film's theatrical release? The story itself? Possibly an amalgamation of all of the above, but Stallone is conscious of this and not looking to make the same mistake twice. In a recent chat about the third installment, the inevitable talk of a fourth came into question.

Stallone on whether or not future installments will be rated R:

Absolutely unequivocally yes. I believe it was a horrible miscalculation on everyone’s part in trying to reach a wider audience, but in doing such, diminish the violence that the audience expects. I’m quite certain it won’t happen again.

In regards to the next EXPENDABLES film using time travel:

I have actually entertained the idea of putting the group into such an unnatural environment that it, in an of itself, creates extra suspense and tension: the “fish out of water” scenario. That environment might not be time travel, but nearly just as jarring.

The question about time travel may seem out of left field, but was actually a suggestion from EXPANDBLES 3 director Patrick Hughes. It's no secret that Stallone has been looking to shake up one of his franchises. After all, there was a time when John Rambo was going to hunt a Predator-esque creature. I don't know about time-travel, but it may do the series good to take a departure from the usual formula. If they're really trying to emulate action flicks of yesteryear, perhaps a look back on what made those films great, rather than lampooning them, is in order. After all, I don't think they could do much worse. Oh wait, THE EXPENDABELLES . . .

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Source: Crave Online

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2:43PM on 11/25/2014
Why is there even another one of these?
Why is there even another one of these?
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2:21AM on 11/25/2014

Cut the budget and the cast!

Make a hard-R action movie. Kill some of the Expendables for crying out loud! They are called The Expendables. They should die at some point! Kill a couple major characters like Christmas. Statham's act is getting old. Heck, kill Stallone. Anything to make it seem like there is actually something at stake.Make this on a tight 50 mill or so budget. There is no reason any of these movies should ever cost over 100 mill. Action movies, unless the are comic book movies, can not turn a profit with
Make a hard-R action movie. Kill some of the Expendables for crying out loud! They are called The Expendables. They should die at some point! Kill a couple major characters like Christmas. Statham's act is getting old. Heck, kill Stallone. Anything to make it seem like there is actually something at stake.Make this on a tight 50 mill or so budget. There is no reason any of these movies should ever cost over 100 mill. Action movies, unless the are comic book movies, can not turn a profit with this ludicrous amount of money being spent. Use fucking squibs! Make the kills matter. On second thought, just stop. It's over man. If movies like John Wick can't make money, then what chance do big tentpole action movies with geriatrics have a chance? Write something else.
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11:09PM on 11/24/2014
Thing is... even with the leak, and some bad word of mouth the movie did really good overseas so I don't think a 4th is going to change so much. And even when I enjoyed most of them (EX2 not so much) I', still wating for and EX movie with Arnold and Sly's team fightin each other.
Thing is... even with the leak, and some bad word of mouth the movie did really good overseas so I don't think a 4th is going to change so much. And even when I enjoyed most of them (EX2 not so much) I', still wating for and EX movie with Arnold and Sly's team fightin each other.
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10:16PM on 11/24/2014

No crap but

studios won't learn.
studios won't learn.
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9:16PM on 11/24/2014
I like these movies they know what they are and do it well.
I like these movies they know what they are and do it well.
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8:28PM on 11/24/2014

Learn

Learn from your mistakes Stallone... LEARN!
Learn from your mistakes Stallone... LEARN!
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8:22PM on 11/24/2014

Nope

This doesn't matter because of two reasons:
1) Expendables 4 will never happen. E3 did way worse than previous films and I don't think anyone is in ahurry to make another based on a very lackluster financial performance
2) Even if it happened and it was rated R - it doesn't matter. Because E1 and E2 were also Rated R but it was a bulshit R! Except for two scenes in the first film you wouldn't even notice the gore and there was absolutely no edgy language. If you want a rated R example? Just
This doesn't matter because of two reasons:
1) Expendables 4 will never happen. E3 did way worse than previous films and I don't think anyone is in ahurry to make another based on a very lackluster financial performance
2) Even if it happened and it was rated R - it doesn't matter. Because E1 and E2 were also Rated R but it was a bulshit R! Except for two scenes in the first film you wouldn't even notice the gore and there was absolutely no edgy language. If you want a rated R example? Just look at The Raid 2 for example. That's a real R-rated film. See the difference?
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7:12PM on 11/24/2014
The Expendables IN SPACE!
The most important to change is to completely get rid of the Young Expendables.
The Expendables IN SPACE!
The most important to change is to completely get rid of the Young Expendables.
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5:29PM on 11/24/2014

Bring it!

I'll be there opening night!
I'll be there opening night!
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5:15PM on 11/24/2014

STARBURST said it right.... CHOP CAST down to SIX

dear god you KNEW going in that Jet Li would have an extended cameo... but the WHOLE original team?
(and Sly was wondering why it tanked at the box office?) look at movies that actually boast having an ALL-STAR CAST... even THOSE movies do not have the bloated cast that was Expendables 4!!!!!!!
dear god you KNEW going in that Jet Li would have an extended cameo... but the WHOLE original team?
(and Sly was wondering why it tanked at the box office?) look at movies that actually boast having an ALL-STAR CAST... even THOSE movies do not have the bloated cast that was Expendables 4!!!!!!!
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5:01PM on 11/24/2014
While watching the third one in theaters there just came a point when my mind turned on and said "ok do you really give a damn about anybody in this movie? Are you terribly interested how this is going to end? Is there something else you would rather be doing right now? Then you only have one choice" then I just got up and walked out. It's rare for me to walk out of a movie but if I have this conversation with myself then I must really not be enjoying this.
While watching the third one in theaters there just came a point when my mind turned on and said "ok do you really give a damn about anybody in this movie? Are you terribly interested how this is going to end? Is there something else you would rather be doing right now? Then you only have one choice" then I just got up and walked out. It's rare for me to walk out of a movie but if I have this conversation with myself then I must really not be enjoying this.
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4:39PM on 11/24/2014

Um....good?

At this point I think maybe Stallone has more to worry about than just what rating it's gonna be.

My suggestion though, cut it back to just a few key players. Sly, Stath, Crews, (Dolph and Li, but only if he promises to let them do something), and if Snipes and Banderas fit in, just so they can have some of Sly's old buddies along for the ride (leave Couture to save their ass in the last act, maybe with Arnold in tow). Stick 'em in a Heart of Darkness kind of situation. Leave the popcorn
At this point I think maybe Stallone has more to worry about than just what rating it's gonna be.

My suggestion though, cut it back to just a few key players. Sly, Stath, Crews, (Dolph and Li, but only if he promises to let them do something), and if Snipes and Banderas fit in, just so they can have some of Sly's old buddies along for the ride (leave Couture to save their ass in the last act, maybe with Arnold in tow). Stick 'em in a Heart of Darkness kind of situation. Leave the popcorn catchphrases for some down-and-dirty mercenary work.

Then again, I tend toward darker stuff. And I only turned out for the first movie. But I think a stripped-down version with just the key elements (maybe even pull a Ghost Protocol and have them on the run from the law).
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4:35PM on 11/24/2014
Honestly the best thing from all three movies thus far is the trailer for the third one with the Eminem song (song? sorry...I'm not hip with what you call it...talking with a beat? :o) Anywayz, the trailer with the jam...that was loads of fun. Possibly, followed by a distance...the Norris and Stallone scene in part two....then may be Van Damme showing up in his first scene - I actually forgot he was going to be in the movie at that point - so some Van Damme is always welcome...and then
Honestly the best thing from all three movies thus far is the trailer for the third one with the Eminem song (song? sorry...I'm not hip with what you call it...talking with a beat? :o) Anywayz, the trailer with the jam...that was loads of fun. Possibly, followed by a distance...the Norris and Stallone scene in part two....then may be Van Damme showing up in his first scene - I actually forgot he was going to be in the movie at that point - so some Van Damme is always welcome...and then perhaps the Jet Li put downs throughout all three movies. The thing is, I'll go and watch 4 in the full knowledge that there's a 99% chance that it'll be as lackluster as the previous entries...coz I'm doing by bit to keep people like Stallone and Arnold in business. It's not been totally without reward...I mean I enjoyed Balboa...the depressing/thoughtful bits from Rambo...and the Last Stand...some more of that...and I'll be happy.
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3:31PM on 11/24/2014

Is anybody really waiting for a 4th film?

The first one was fun because of the nostalgia, the second one had some small laugh's but was already pretty mediocre, but the third one was worse than Stalone's variety of facial expressions...
Can't those guys just move on and do their own solo projects?
The first one was fun because of the nostalgia, the second one had some small laugh's but was already pretty mediocre, but the third one was worse than Stalone's variety of facial expressions...
Can't those guys just move on and do their own solo projects?
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3:50PM on 11/24/2014
Nostalgia is more popular now than ever before, and it will likely grow even more. I love films like this, and the fan base is big enough that they will likely make at least 1 more film.
Nostalgia is more popular now than ever before, and it will likely grow even more. I love films like this, and the fan base is big enough that they will likely make at least 1 more film.
3:22PM on 11/24/2014

My thoughts on making EXPENDABLES 4

- Chop the cast back. The series suffers from serious bloat as it is. Just keep it to a team of 6, whoever is strongest.
- Have at least one strong heroine. Gina Carano, Sigourney Weaver, Linda Hamilton . . . any of these ladies should be available.
- Make it a hard R. And I mean HARD.
- Chop the cast back. The series suffers from serious bloat as it is. Just keep it to a team of 6, whoever is strongest.
- Have at least one strong heroine. Gina Carano, Sigourney Weaver, Linda Hamilton . . . any of these ladies should be available.
- Make it a hard R. And I mean HARD.
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2:36PM on 11/24/2014
Too many actors to make it interesting. A lot of them aren't even action stars, they're just doing direct to dvd shit. If I were to get interested in this franchise I would want a smaller cast of only the bigger stars with more focus on each and practical effects and a hard R, of course. The story doesn't matter much, just don't make it so dumb it detracts from the fighting.
Too many actors to make it interesting. A lot of them aren't even action stars, they're just doing direct to dvd shit. If I were to get interested in this franchise I would want a smaller cast of only the bigger stars with more focus on each and practical effects and a hard R, of course. The story doesn't matter much, just don't make it so dumb it detracts from the fighting.
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2:09PM on 11/24/2014

Expendables + Time Travel = Expendables in the 80s!!

They need to do an R rated Expendables (with NO CGI)

Set it in the 80s (with help of time travel) and make a real 80s action movie.
They need to do an R rated Expendables (with NO CGI)

Set it in the 80s (with help of time travel) and make a real 80s action movie.
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12:52PM on 11/24/2014
Stop them getting leaked online a month before they release at cinema would be a help
Stop them getting leaked online a month before they release at cinema would be a help
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1:17PM on 11/24/2014
you know that "leak" was a marketing strategy from the studio? they do this when testscreenings turn out really bad to get word for mouth ad for free
you know that "leak" was a marketing strategy from the studio? they do this when testscreenings turn out really bad to get word for mouth ad for free
2:10PM on 11/24/2014
Yeah, they leaked it online themselves... It was someone internally and they supposedly only got a slap on the wrist.

It was a good thing too, because everyone who saw it early warned everyone else to stay the fuck away from it.

Yeah, they leaked it online themselves... It was someone internally and they supposedly only got a slap on the wrist.

It was a good thing too, because everyone who saw it early warned everyone else to stay the fuck away from it.

12:23PM on 11/24/2014
At least he admitted to his mistakes here. So many in Hollywood avoid their mistakes and dance around them. I just hope he can convince the other producers to go back to a R rating next time.
At least he admitted to his mistakes here. So many in Hollywood avoid their mistakes and dance around them. I just hope he can convince the other producers to go back to a R rating next time.
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2:11PM on 11/24/2014
Well it is still bullshit. His fans have been saying make it R rated and stop using shitty CGI for TWO movies now.
Well it is still bullshit. His fans have been saying make it R rated and stop using shitty CGI for TWO movies now.
3:48PM on 11/24/2014
Actually, the CG blood and whatnot is not as big of a problem as some would expect. I personally see most hatred from lack on any blood, CG or no CG.

Part 2 was blood filled, but they added that blood in post production because of backlash. The box office aspect backfired as well, more people didn't show up because of the lower rating. I have no doubt that if they make another film, it will be more similar to the first film in terms of blood and Rating.
Actually, the CG blood and whatnot is not as big of a problem as some would expect. I personally see most hatred from lack on any blood, CG or no CG.

Part 2 was blood filled, but they added that blood in post production because of backlash. The box office aspect backfired as well, more people didn't show up because of the lower rating. I have no doubt that if they make another film, it will be more similar to the first film in terms of blood and Rating.
12:12PM on 11/24/2014

Here's a better idea Sly,

Stop making these shitty movies. Please.
Stop making these shitty movies. Please.
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11:54AM on 11/24/2014
Maybe he should just try making a movie instead of just making sure he covers an action movie checklist as much as possible.
Maybe he should just try making a movie instead of just making sure he covers an action movie checklist as much as possible.
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11:46AM on 11/24/2014

Hate to say it Sly...

...but we fricken told ya so.
...but we fricken told ya so.
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11:35AM on 11/24/2014
From the beginning, you could tell that Expendables wanted to go towards PG13. Now that it went there and ended in a disaster, I say go hard R if they make a fourth film. And I mean HARD.
From the beginning, you could tell that Expendables wanted to go towards PG13. Now that it went there and ended in a disaster, I say go hard R if they make a fourth film. And I mean HARD.
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11:31AM on 11/24/2014
I'm Certain that I won't see Expendables 4 in theaters.
I'm Certain that I won't see Expendables 4 in theaters.
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