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Will the low box office for The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo cost Fincher the franchise?

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For those hoping to see a completed trilogy of THE GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO, the wait may be longer and/or without director David Fincher's involvement at all.  In a call to investors, MGM CEO Gary Barber revealed that they ”were hoping we’d do 10% more than we did," and that even with a $231 million worldwide take, the film was “below our expectations, and we booked a modest loss.”

Although both sequels, THE GIRL WHO PLAYED WITH FIRE and THE GIRL WHO KICKED THE HORNET'S NEST are scheduled to move forward, it's still “assuming we can achieve better economics," according to Barber, and part of that could involve hiring someone other than Fincher, which would come with a $5 million price tag as Fincher has the option.  And that's before anything is even in pre-production.

With the Video release of THE GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO out this week, it's likely that MGM will watch its performance in that market to better gauge how to move forward with the sequels.  Inevitably, the sequels will have to come in with a lower budget than TATTOO's $90 million to get going.

I thought THE GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO was great, both in style and performance, mostly from Rooney Mara who simply killed it as Lisbeth Salander (and I'm also a fan of Noomi Repace's version of the character).  I felt that the character of Lisbeth Salander is a unique archetype for female characters; strong, smart, vulnerable, yet dangerous, cunning and flawed.  These characteristics are missing so often from female roles today and it would be a shame to cut Salander's journey short.  Yeah, we have the Swedish films, which are well-made and engaging, but this is one remake I can get behind, especially with Fincher and Mara involved.

I'm sure that not everyone will agree, but to lose Fincher or the franchise itself would be a shitty loss.  Some franchises are better left dead, but I don't think that's the case with this one.  Hopefully video and TV licensing will bring the profit margin up, otherwise THE GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO will prove, yet again, that we get what we pay for, which in this case would be more SMURFS movies and less of the Millenium series. 

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Extra Tidbit: Fincher has yet to confirm his next project, dancing between the sequel to Dragon Tattoo and the long-delayed 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea remake. Which would you rather see?
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1:20AM on 03/26/2012
I hope the can make TGWKTHN better than the original, although I think that's pretty hard to do given that its mainly Lizbeth in a hospital room and then in jail and then in court. Most of the plot there focuses on Blomquist and the Millenium team writing an expose on the government and its ties to Lizbeth and the death threats. Usually plots that involve a seque into court are not so enthusiastically viewed.
I hope the can make TGWKTHN better than the original, although I think that's pretty hard to do given that its mainly Lizbeth in a hospital room and then in jail and then in court. Most of the plot there focuses on Blomquist and the Millenium team writing an expose on the government and its ties to Lizbeth and the death threats. Usually plots that involve a seque into court are not so enthusiastically viewed.
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12:31AM on 03/26/2012
To save money, which is all they really care about, couldn't they try to get Fincher to film both movies simultaneously?
To save money, which is all they really care about, couldn't they try to get Fincher to film both movies simultaneously?
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9:29PM on 03/25/2012

Fincher Must be back for TGWPWF

Anyone who knows Fincher's work, would DEFIANTLY want him for the next instalment of this franchise. The feel, and tone set in the first film, should defiantly carry over for the action packed, intense drama that awaits us in the Girl Who Played With Fire. As for the courtroom drama in the 3rd instalment, maybe not so much. But would Much prefer he did all 3
Anyone who knows Fincher's work, would DEFIANTLY want him for the next instalment of this franchise. The feel, and tone set in the first film, should defiantly carry over for the action packed, intense drama that awaits us in the Girl Who Played With Fire. As for the courtroom drama in the 3rd instalment, maybe not so much. But would Much prefer he did all 3
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10:33AM on 03/25/2012

Now I hope they make the sequels

I saw all the Swedish versions and thought they were very good. Finally gave in and watched the American version last night and I loved it. So now I do hope they move forward with the other two...sooner than later.
I saw all the Swedish versions and thought they were very good. Finally gave in and watched the American version last night and I loved it. So now I do hope they move forward with the other two...sooner than later.
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1:19AM on 03/25/2012
Well, I bought this film this week. So, I did my part. It's a very good movie, period.
Well, I bought this film this week. So, I did my part. It's a very good movie, period.
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10:53PM on 03/24/2012

I want Fincher to move on

I like "Tattoo", but I would like him to move on to other projects where his talents will shine. I don't care about sequels to a series I already saw - and liked - even if it wasn't in English. I'd rather Fincher spent his time on more original material.
I like "Tattoo", but I would like him to move on to other projects where his talents will shine. I don't care about sequels to a series I already saw - and liked - even if it wasn't in English. I'd rather Fincher spent his time on more original material.
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12:17PM on 03/24/2012
Fincher is one of the best directors working right now, but what makes him good - his non-Hollywoodness, you might say - is also what plays against him. He goes dark and doesn't mind not slapping purdy bowties on the end of his films. When I saw the last scene of Dragon Tattoo, I knew he was screwed again. Lots of emotional impact, perfect resonance with the character and the rest of the film, but boy... certainly not a crowd pleaser. Some of us admire him for this, but it's box-office poison,
Fincher is one of the best directors working right now, but what makes him good - his non-Hollywoodness, you might say - is also what plays against him. He goes dark and doesn't mind not slapping purdy bowties on the end of his films. When I saw the last scene of Dragon Tattoo, I knew he was screwed again. Lots of emotional impact, perfect resonance with the character and the rest of the film, but boy... certainly not a crowd pleaser. Some of us admire him for this, but it's box-office poison, and in a game ruled by numbers, well...
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9:11AM on 03/24/2012
Whether it is the Academy, the studio heads, or box office, they always find a way to screw Fincher over. He might be a control freak, but he is at least one of the Top 5 best living directors right now!
Whether it is the Academy, the studio heads, or box office, they always find a way to screw Fincher over. He might be a control freak, but he is at least one of the Top 5 best living directors right now!
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10:19PM on 03/23/2012
Fuck this article, they have to be made period, I mean if you can film the entire shitfest of those godawful twilight books, then this is a trilogy that DEMANDS to be made, and bring back Fincher, because he is the one director who can handle the story the correct way & will fight for it tooth & nail. Also it did gross slightly over $100 mil going against M:I4 & Sherlock Holmes.

The last 2 books are continuing stories of one another, so if you do decide to make Playing With Fire than you
Fuck this article, they have to be made period, I mean if you can film the entire shitfest of those godawful twilight books, then this is a trilogy that DEMANDS to be made, and bring back Fincher, because he is the one director who can handle the story the correct way & will fight for it tooth & nail. Also it did gross slightly over $100 mil going against M:I4 & Sherlock Holmes.

The last 2 books are continuing stories of one another, so if you do decide to make Playing With Fire than you have no choice but to also make Kicked the Hornet's Nest. I am just about done reading the 3rd book & i am very intrigued by how it would translate to screen if Fincher did them.

While I did appreciate the Swedish films & Rapace's portayal of Salander, they veered too much away from the actual books & changed too much. What i loved about the US version of Dragon Tattoo was how faithful it was to the book. I am literally obsessed with this entire series & will be disappointed if it is not completed.
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7:31PM on 03/23/2012
I liked the style of the film, which is largely thanks to Fincher. I just think he's to great of a director to do another 2 remakes. I'd love him to do more original projects. Also, I think if the film got more Oscar love the sequels would have been green lit. Maybe the movie was too dark to get enough award attention (the last film to do so being Silence of the lambs).
I liked the style of the film, which is largely thanks to Fincher. I just think he's to great of a director to do another 2 remakes. I'd love him to do more original projects. Also, I think if the film got more Oscar love the sequels would have been green lit. Maybe the movie was too dark to get enough award attention (the last film to do so being Silence of the lambs).
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6:22PM on 03/23/2012
Fincher and Mara should just slowly step away, credibility still intact. he TGwTDT was perfectly complete and fulfilling on it's own. Fuck the trilogy. General movie audiences are dimwits anyway - fuck 'em if they don't want first class cinema... they'll suffice with a Chipmunks film instead.
Fincher and Mara should just slowly step away, credibility still intact. he TGwTDT was perfectly complete and fulfilling on it's own. Fuck the trilogy. General movie audiences are dimwits anyway - fuck 'em if they don't want first class cinema... they'll suffice with a Chipmunks film instead.
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5:05PM on 03/23/2012
I would rather see Fincher finish this trilogy out than do anything else. The franchise is fucked if Fincher turns it down. No one else can handle this.
I would rather see Fincher finish this trilogy out than do anything else. The franchise is fucked if Fincher turns it down. No one else can handle this.
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10:24PM on 03/23/2012
totally agree with you, this franchise is nothing without Fincher, I just cannot picture ANY other director out there who can do the books justice.
totally agree with you, this franchise is nothing without Fincher, I just cannot picture ANY other director out there who can do the books justice.
4:56PM on 03/23/2012
A clear example of quantity over quality. It's all about the bottom $$ and f**k the art. I too would love to see the trilogy completed and w/ Fincher on board. I'm just glad and appreciative that we got to see the one. Great film.
A clear example of quantity over quality. It's all about the bottom $$ and f**k the art. I too would love to see the trilogy completed and w/ Fincher on board. I'm just glad and appreciative that we got to see the one. Great film.
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4:49PM on 03/23/2012
I really want Fincher to finish the trilogy, but I can understand a director of Fincher's caliber doesn't want to do 3 movies from same type source materials...plus a Fincher take of 20,000 Leagues Under Sea is just too delicious and tempting to ignore. What I absolutely can't understand is the outragious expectations of the studio. So a 231M return of 90M is a not good enough? What did they expect, 400M from a psychological drama? Really, when was the last TRUE psychological mystery thriller
I really want Fincher to finish the trilogy, but I can understand a director of Fincher's caliber doesn't want to do 3 movies from same type source materials...plus a Fincher take of 20,000 Leagues Under Sea is just too delicious and tempting to ignore. What I absolutely can't understand is the outragious expectations of the studio. So a 231M return of 90M is a not good enough? What did they expect, 400M from a psychological drama? Really, when was the last TRUE psychological mystery thriller (which is NOT an action/horror mix) had boxoffice smashing business, maybe The Fugitive or The Silence of the Lambs? Those were 20 years ago...Today's audiences are used to of superhero scifi CGIladden bombastic films, its just not realistic to expect a return of same amount from a film which is essentially an R-rated drama. If you can't meet your own stupid vision, don't blame the director or source for that.

BTW I can totally see a Brian De Palma take of TGWPWF, he might not have a good movie in years, but he was the master of psychological thrillers back in the day.
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10:26PM on 03/23/2012
DePalma? NO thanks, next!
DePalma? NO thanks, next!
4:30PM on 03/24/2012
Yeah, everybody's entitled of their openions...and De Palma did direct some of my most favorite films like Untouchables, Scarface, Carlito's Way, Blow Out, MI1, Carrie etc. More importantly in this case, he directed some really good atmospheric thrillers, like Dressed to Kill, Obsession, Sisters or Body Double. But as I said, its just my openion. Whats a better suggestion?
Yeah, everybody's entitled of their openions...and De Palma did direct some of my most favorite films like Untouchables, Scarface, Carlito's Way, Blow Out, MI1, Carrie etc. More importantly in this case, he directed some really good atmospheric thrillers, like Dressed to Kill, Obsession, Sisters or Body Double. But as I said, its just my openion. Whats a better suggestion?
4:45AM on 03/25/2012
Well it would have to be a similar genre director but I don't feel DePalma is well out of his league on this one, the only pothers who come to mind is David Croenenberg (sp?) or William Friedkin
Well it would have to be a similar genre director but I don't feel DePalma is well out of his league on this one, the only pothers who come to mind is David Croenenberg (sp?) or William Friedkin
4:48PM on 03/23/2012
It's disheartening seeing good movies not meet expectations mainly because of their huge budgets. I see movies like this, or John Carter, and wonder if the same quality could have been reached with less money. I say yes. What say you Schmoes?
It's disheartening seeing good movies not meet expectations mainly because of their huge budgets. I see movies like this, or John Carter, and wonder if the same quality could have been reached with less money. I say yes. What say you Schmoes?
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3:41PM on 03/23/2012

So boring

I read all the books and the first is the only good one. 2and 3 were so boring and tedious. To leave after 1 woud be fine, it is a stand alone story, unlike to sequels. Fincher should just move along. One great movie is better than a mediocre trilogy
I read all the books and the first is the only good one. 2and 3 were so boring and tedious. To leave after 1 woud be fine, it is a stand alone story, unlike to sequels. Fincher should just move along. One great movie is better than a mediocre trilogy
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5:36PM on 03/23/2012
Personally, I thought the third one the best. As for the first... 75% greatness 25% pure tedium
Personally, I thought the third one the best. As for the first... 75% greatness 25% pure tedium
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3:37PM on 03/23/2012
I enjoyed Fincher's and would like to see him make the other two.

However, I think they are stressing about the money because the second one has a very 'Empire Strikes Back' ending without a complete resolution. So if they make the second they pretty much have got to make the third.
I enjoyed Fincher's and would like to see him make the other two.

However, I think they are stressing about the money because the second one has a very 'Empire Strikes Back' ending without a complete resolution. So if they make the second they pretty much have got to make the third.
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3:35PM on 03/23/2012
Fincher should direct another Chuck Palahniuk novel to the big screen. Bring us Survivor!
Fincher should direct another Chuck Palahniuk novel to the big screen. Bring us Survivor!
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3:28PM on 03/23/2012
To be honest, the first one was the really interesting one. I could take or leave the other two movies. I haven't seen this remake but I saw the Swedish films and the first is excellent and the second two are alright but not nearly as engaging.
To be honest, the first one was the really interesting one. I could take or leave the other two movies. I haven't seen this remake but I saw the Swedish films and the first is excellent and the second two are alright but not nearly as engaging.
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3:25PM on 03/23/2012
Business is business, at least they took a chance on this project in the first place. I can't dicate how multi million and billion dollar corporations decide to run things, even if they don't always make the best decisions
Business is business, at least they took a chance on this project in the first place. I can't dicate how multi million and billion dollar corporations decide to run things, even if they don't always make the best decisions
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2:53PM on 03/23/2012

I'm curious about the Budget

Zodiac and G.W.T.D.T. seem to have a similar scale and yet the former's budget was 65 million to the latters 90. Heck, Social Network was only 40. I'm really curious where all the money goes. Does 1 car exploding really cost that much more?
Zodiac and G.W.T.D.T. seem to have a similar scale and yet the former's budget was 65 million to the latters 90. Heck, Social Network was only 40. I'm really curious where all the money goes. Does 1 car exploding really cost that much more?
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7:27PM on 03/23/2012
I assume because it was filmed in Sweden. Cost more for cast/crew to travel and stay there.
I assume because it was filmed in Sweden. Cost more for cast/crew to travel and stay there.
2:48PM on 03/23/2012

Fincher and the studio clashed heads

That's not mentioned here, but they clashed heads throughout production, both in terms of budget and more basic storytelling manners. From the very get-go he butted heads with them when it came to the casting of Lisbeth (the studio wanted a bigger marquee name, but he refused to give in). Stubborn he may be, he certainly nailed the film; however, the studios aren't looking for someone who will challenge them at every bend in the road, and given the relatively modest box-office intake of the
That's not mentioned here, but they clashed heads throughout production, both in terms of budget and more basic storytelling manners. From the very get-go he butted heads with them when it came to the casting of Lisbeth (the studio wanted a bigger marquee name, but he refused to give in). Stubborn he may be, he certainly nailed the film; however, the studios aren't looking for someone who will challenge them at every bend in the road, and given the relatively modest box-office intake of the sequel, it's likely he won't be asked to return and that will be used as the scapegoat reasoning. The truth is that they simply don't want him back.
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2:46PM on 03/23/2012

Fincher should be able to finish it

I really enjoyed the film, and it would be a shame to not finish the story. As others have said before, SONY really needed to adjust their expectations. It may be a best selling series of books, but this ain't the Hunger Games or Harry Potter.
I really enjoyed the film, and it would be a shame to not finish the story. As others have said before, SONY really needed to adjust their expectations. It may be a best selling series of books, but this ain't the Hunger Games or Harry Potter.
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2:43PM on 03/23/2012

Here's an idea...

They shouldn't have spent $90 million+ making the first one in the first place! What did they think was going to happen? If the movie doesn't have giant alien robots fighting each other or a 3-D upconvert tied into a happy meal, then it's not gonna happen. Now, if they had only made a damn Lisbeth Salander action figure complete with tattoo kit and anal plug.
They shouldn't have spent $90 million+ making the first one in the first place! What did they think was going to happen? If the movie doesn't have giant alien robots fighting each other or a 3-D upconvert tied into a happy meal, then it's not gonna happen. Now, if they had only made a damn Lisbeth Salander action figure complete with tattoo kit and anal plug.
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2:39PM on 03/23/2012
The first story is by the best, in that it had the murder mystery to it, that the last 2 stories don't have. but I still want to see the interpretation of the final 2 stories. I loved the originals. I think Mara did a good job in the role, but I am just not a big fan of hers. In interviews she comes off super arrogant, and I don't feel her performance was anywhere near Noomi Rapace's performance, even though it seems Rooney got far more praise.

I would like to see Fincher return for the
The first story is by the best, in that it had the murder mystery to it, that the last 2 stories don't have. but I still want to see the interpretation of the final 2 stories. I loved the originals. I think Mara did a good job in the role, but I am just not a big fan of hers. In interviews she comes off super arrogant, and I don't feel her performance was anywhere near Noomi Rapace's performance, even though it seems Rooney got far more praise.

I would like to see Fincher return for the sequels, but i do think there is another director out there who can do a great job, should FIncher not return
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2:35PM on 03/23/2012
If another director took over, I feel like the whole vibe and look of the film will be different. While the second and third books are very different from the first, I would like there to be some form of continuity regarding the script and direction. It seems like Rooney Mara hangs on Fincher's every word. Maybe she will not give as good of a performance for someone else.
If another director took over, I feel like the whole vibe and look of the film will be different. While the second and third books are very different from the first, I would like there to be some form of continuity regarding the script and direction. It seems like Rooney Mara hangs on Fincher's every word. Maybe she will not give as good of a performance for someone else.
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2:26PM on 03/23/2012

Oneday hollywood won't exist...

And movies will just be art, and not for the money.
And movies will just be art, and not for the money.
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1:26PM on 03/23/2012
I definitely want Fincher to tackle The Girl Who Played With Fire. It was my least favorite of the Swedish trilogy, and I'd like to see his take on it.
I definitely want Fincher to tackle The Girl Who Played With Fire. It was my least favorite of the Swedish trilogy, and I'd like to see his take on it.
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1:07PM on 03/23/2012

What I don't understand.....

....is what Sony expected this movie to do: It's R rated, 2 1/2 hours, and it cost $90 million. If they expected this to be "Lord of the Rings," that's stupid. So your options are simple: Lower your expectations, or reduce the budget. Simple as that.

I thought the first one was great, but I doubt the sequels would do BIGGER business than the first one. Maybe equal or close, but this won't be a Batman Begins vs. The Dark Knight.

It'll be interesting if Fincher wants to just do his one and
....is what Sony expected this movie to do: It's R rated, 2 1/2 hours, and it cost $90 million. If they expected this to be "Lord of the Rings," that's stupid. So your options are simple: Lower your expectations, or reduce the budget. Simple as that.

I thought the first one was great, but I doubt the sequels would do BIGGER business than the first one. Maybe equal or close, but this won't be a Batman Begins vs. The Dark Knight.

It'll be interesting if Fincher wants to just do his one and move on, or own the trilogy. My guess is he'll move on.
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1:04PM on 03/23/2012
I love Fincher and I enjoyed the heck out of his TGWTDT. The thing is though I could totally see someone else coming in on the next movie. It's just such a different book/story that it's almost fitting someone else got their shot. But don't base this change on a "modest loss". That would be ridiculous.
I love Fincher and I enjoyed the heck out of his TGWTDT. The thing is though I could totally see someone else coming in on the next movie. It's just such a different book/story that it's almost fitting someone else got their shot. But don't base this change on a "modest loss". That would be ridiculous.
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12:19PM on 03/23/2012
Only in Hollywood would a 231 million dollar return on a 90 million investment be called a "loss." Fuck these people. Even factoring in publicity and other costs, they still made a money, and will continue to make money via DVDs, BluRays, downloads, streaming, etc. Fuck the bureaucrats who deny us excellent cinema (which is already a scarcity) just because they didn't make ENOUGH millions of dollars.
Only in Hollywood would a 231 million dollar return on a 90 million investment be called a "loss." Fuck these people. Even factoring in publicity and other costs, they still made a money, and will continue to make money via DVDs, BluRays, downloads, streaming, etc. Fuck the bureaucrats who deny us excellent cinema (which is already a scarcity) just because they didn't make ENOUGH millions of dollars.
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11:48AM on 03/23/2012
Much to my surprise, I thought the english version of the movie was on par with the swedish one, David Fincher had more money to work on, plus Bond. I didn't care much for Mara, thought Rapace was way better.

In regard to the sequels, I don't mind much if they're not interested in making them, because those stories are much less interesting than the first. Sure, I would like to see Fincher make them, but it's not that big of a loss if he doesn't.
Much to my surprise, I thought the english version of the movie was on par with the swedish one, David Fincher had more money to work on, plus Bond. I didn't care much for Mara, thought Rapace was way better.

In regard to the sequels, I don't mind much if they're not interested in making them, because those stories are much less interesting than the first. Sure, I would like to see Fincher make them, but it's not that big of a loss if he doesn't.
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11:46AM on 03/23/2012
I want more Fincher sequels AND 20,000 Leagues lol The more Fincher the better.
I want more Fincher sequels AND 20,000 Leagues lol The more Fincher the better.
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11:42AM on 03/23/2012
Just shows you its all about the money in hollywood no matter how good a movie can be if it doesnt make enough money then screw it. I mean the sweedish versions were much better but I did enjoy this one too. Just stupid that no one cares about a good movie if it doesnt make money.
Just shows you its all about the money in hollywood no matter how good a movie can be if it doesnt make enough money then screw it. I mean the sweedish versions were much better but I did enjoy this one too. Just stupid that no one cares about a good movie if it doesnt make money.
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11:32AM on 03/23/2012

I never liked his take on the series to begin with

Bad casting, bad choice of director, okay cinematography and editing.

This news gives me a little hope that this will be the last. The Swedish versions are definitely better, and I can't wait for Daniel Craig to step back in the Bond role in "Skyfall".
Bad casting, bad choice of director, okay cinematography and editing.

This news gives me a little hope that this will be the last. The Swedish versions are definitely better, and I can't wait for Daniel Craig to step back in the Bond role in "Skyfall".
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10:32PM on 03/23/2012
are you serious? What other director would you have wanted? I mean for christs sake, the damn studio wanted Scarlett Johansson, who is way too well sexy for this part.
are you serious? What other director would you have wanted? I mean for christs sake, the damn studio wanted Scarlett Johansson, who is way too well sexy for this part.
11:28AM on 03/23/2012
I thought he wasnt even sure he wanted to do the sequels.
I thought he wasnt even sure he wanted to do the sequels.
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11:22AM on 03/23/2012
I'm dying to see his take on 20,000 Leagues as I think it could be spectacular.
I'm dying to see his take on 20,000 Leagues as I think it could be spectacular.
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