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Face Off: Predator military team vs. Aliens Colonial Marines

Mar. 27, 2014by: Dave Davis
Last week's Face-Off column delved into a pair of futuristic societies from a couple of prominent sci-fi/action movies, and most of you agreed that MINORITY REPORT offered a more intriguing, thoughtful and plausible future over the explosive DEMOLITION MAN.

This weekend, Arnold Schwarzenegger returns to screen in SABOTAGE, leading a specialized squad of capable badasses. He's no stranger to that position after the John McTiernan action movie PREDATOR, but how would his team from that classic hold up against another tough group of military veterans facing an extraterrestrial threat -- the Colonial Marines from James Cameron's sci-fi masterpiece ALIENS?
TEAM LEADER
Cigar-chomping Maj. Dutch Schaefer, played by Arnold Schwarzenegger and therefore virtually guaranteed to be the last biped standing
Skittish Lt. Gorman (William Hope), whose actual military experience included 38 drops... simulated. And two combat drops. Including this one.
SQUAD MEMBERS
Five elite hard-hitting military veterans, who make short work of an entire camp of heavily armed rebel guerrillas before getting hunted by an invisible enemy
One sergeant, seven infantry, two pilots, one medic and one synthetic human, who anticipate a straightforward "bug-hunt" (and some juicy colonist daughters), but who eventually need civilian adviser Ellen Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) and a preteen girl to handle the xenomorph menace
COMIC RELIEF
Radio operator Hawkins (Shane Black), who tells bad jokes about pussy
Jumpy Pvt. Hudson (Bill Paxton), who makes hilarious facial expressions and spouts some of the most memorable one-liners in the history of genre movies
ARSENAL
Dutch and the crew are locked and loaded with M-16s, submachineguns, a couple of grenade launchers, an M-60, various knives, pistols and explosives, and "Painless", a devastating handheld minigun
The Marines are packing M41A pulse rifles (with over-under grenade launcher), fire-belching incinerators, auto-tracking smartguns, pistols, hand grenades and a backup shotgun "for close encounters". No laser guns?
COMPANY MAN
CIA liaison Dillon (Carl Weathers), who can hold his own with Dutch's macho badasses, even when missing an arm
Weyland-Yutani Corporation weasel Carter Burke (Paul Reiser), who prioritizes the value of the terraforming installation and the newly discovered alien species over the lives of the Marines
MISSION LOCATION
Dutch's rescue team has to rappel from hovering helicopters and trudge through dense, blisteringly hot South American jungle while being pursued by a creature who can blend in with the scenery
The Marines plummet through the atmosphere from the orbiting Sulaco in a dropship (also known as the "express elevator to Hell") down to the surface of Planet LV-426, a rainy rock with a terraforming facility that has cramped corridors and a dodgy thermal reactor
PRIMARY FOES
Besides a few dozen easily handled guerrilla soldiers, Dutch's team has to deal with a single extraterrestrial Predator, which collects skulls for sport, is armed with a deadly plasma cannon, and can camouflage itself with the push of a button
The Marines face a horde of crafty and lightning-fast xenomorphs, an alien species that bleeds corrosive acid and has a gigantic terrifying queen for a mother
SECRET WEAPONS
Dutch discovers that cold, clammy mud can prevent detection by the Predator's heat vision, which he uses to his advantage by dropping a huge tree on the lethal alien. Analog solutions!

Of course, the Predator decided he would rather leave a giant smoking crater in the earth than ever admit to his buddies that he got suckered into such a simple trap...
When a failed extraction crashed a ship into the reactor and caused unstoppable instability, that tactical failure at least meant they didn't have to bother using a nuke from orbit.

But it was up to Ripley in a hydraulic power loader to dump the alien queen out of an airlock into the frigid vacuum of space
SURVIVORS
Dutch and a female prisoner got out of the jungle alive, but were never heard from again -- leaving it to Danny Glover, Adrien Brody and Paul WS Anderson to deal with the Predators
Ripley, Newt (Carrie Henn), Cpl. Hicks (Michael Biehn) and android Bishop (Lance Henriksen) survived their experience in one piece (well, maybe not Bishop), although only Ripley would return to fight the xenomorphs again on future occasions
COLONIAL MARINES
Both teams have enough muscle, munitions and machismo to fill a half-dozen movies, and they each wind up in unexpected scenarios involving decidedly dangerous creatures from other planets. Their exploits are both likely ranked high on the favorites list of any self-respecting genre fan, but the jarheads of the future have the edge on the soldiers of the present, and the Colonial Marines take the prize from Dutch and his crew.

Agree? Disagree? Which do you prefer?
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11:05PM on 03/27/2014
2 lines in Predator did it for me "GET TO THE CHOPPER!" and of course The Body's line of "I ain't got time to bleed".
2 lines in Predator did it for me "GET TO THE CHOPPER!" and of course The Body's line of "I ain't got time to bleed".
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5:28PM on 03/27/2014
Any army with a Schwarzenegger automatically wins.
Any army with a Schwarzenegger automatically wins.
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4:49PM on 03/27/2014

other than that one time

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1:55PM on 03/27/2014

Oddly enough.

Bill Paxton has been killed by both a Predator and an Alien while playing pretty much the same character.
Bill Paxton has been killed by both a Predator and an Alien while playing pretty much the same character.
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11:46AM on 03/27/2014

I'd like to see a role reversal movie

where predator faces off high tech marines while Arnold and a group of specials destroy xenomorphs.
where predator faces off high tech marines while Arnold and a group of specials destroy xenomorphs.
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11:22AM on 03/27/2014
The guys from Predator stuck in my head more than the Colonial Marines did. That's just the way it is.
The guys from Predator stuck in my head more than the Colonial Marines did. That's just the way it is.
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11:16AM on 03/27/2014

bug hunt?

Off topic but what did that "bug hunt" comment mean? Had the marines been called in on many a false alarm about aliens or did they handle alien life form just not as aggrresive / deadly as these Aliens?
Off topic but what did that "bug hunt" comment mean? Had the marines been called in on many a false alarm about aliens or did they handle alien life form just not as aggrresive / deadly as these Aliens?
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12:05PM on 03/27/2014
It is a quote from the movie soloaj. "Is this going to be another bug hunt?"
It is a quote from the movie soloaj. "Is this going to be another bug hunt?"
11:09AM on 03/27/2014

Dutch's team for the win!

The colonial marines went down smoking! Ripely finished off the threat with barely any training. Hicks made it but was indisposed during the last 30 minutes if the movie, he was the last of the marines. Dutch made it and killed the creature. He was a trained soldier and executed the plan. He did not take his adversary lightly. Like one poster said, you flip flop the teams into the others situation and I feel Dutch's teams wouldn't of been laughing and taking the Alien threat lightly. And if the
The colonial marines went down smoking! Ripely finished off the threat with barely any training. Hicks made it but was indisposed during the last 30 minutes if the movie, he was the last of the marines. Dutch made it and killed the creature. He was a trained soldier and executed the plan. He did not take his adversary lightly. Like one poster said, you flip flop the teams into the others situation and I feel Dutch's teams wouldn't of been laughing and taking the Alien threat lightly. And if the Marines were dropped into the jungle during the same circumstances, they wouldn't used the motion debtor thing they had but at the same time it could've been right on top of them and they wouldn't have even noticed. But the predator would've made swift work of them because of their foolish nature he wouldn't have found them all to be a worthy opponent.
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10:23AM on 03/27/2014

Love the Marines - but wrong decision

Another way to look at it, what would happen with this Predator and the Aliens? Sure he is out numbered, but I think this Predator beats the Aliens. Also the Marines were executing pretty poorly for the most part. Not following orders and fell apart when chaos hit. The Mercs stayed as a unit, executing and taking care of business. They went up against an unknown foe from space and still held together very well whereas the Marines KNEW what they were getting into and got killed with ease.
Another way to look at it, what would happen with this Predator and the Aliens? Sure he is out numbered, but I think this Predator beats the Aliens. Also the Marines were executing pretty poorly for the most part. Not following orders and fell apart when chaos hit. The Mercs stayed as a unit, executing and taking care of business. They went up against an unknown foe from space and still held together very well whereas the Marines KNEW what they were getting into and got killed with ease. My vote - MERCS
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10:05AM on 03/27/2014
Just a thought for decision making. The colonial marines were briefed on the kinda threat they would be facing. Dutch's team had no idea they would be fighting a 'f*cking Lizard'
Just a thought for decision making. The colonial marines were briefed on the kinda threat they would be facing. Dutch's team had no idea they would be fighting a 'f*cking Lizard'
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9:40AM on 03/27/2014
Both films hold up remarkably well over time. Overall, Aliens is probably my favorite film of all time. Just for memorable characters and lines alone. But having said that, I watched Predator with my son and he LOVED "Stick around" so perfectly delivered by Dutch. Nothing beats Hudson's "Game over man, Game OVER!"
Both films hold up remarkably well over time. Overall, Aliens is probably my favorite film of all time. Just for memorable characters and lines alone. But having said that, I watched Predator with my son and he LOVED "Stick around" so perfectly delivered by Dutch. Nothing beats Hudson's "Game over man, Game OVER!"
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9:29AM on 03/27/2014
Paul Reiser was a better 'douchebag you love to hate' than Carl Weathers, but Dutch's Team is the cooler bunch of badasses, so Predator gets the win for me.
Can't knock either film though, really. Solid classics.
Paul Reiser was a better 'douchebag you love to hate' than Carl Weathers, but Dutch's Team is the cooler bunch of badasses, so Predator gets the win for me.
Can't knock either film though, really. Solid classics.
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9:17AM on 03/27/2014
Everyone here is forgetting one thing that could prove the winner of this debate. The ending of each film. The entire Military Team, except for Arnold ofcourse, got wiped out by one Predator, and that one survivor killed the Predator by accident. The Colonial Marines mostly ended up dead too, but three got away, and they went up against an Armada of Aliens, including the Queen Bee herself. No Contest.
Everyone here is forgetting one thing that could prove the winner of this debate. The ending of each film. The entire Military Team, except for Arnold ofcourse, got wiped out by one Predator, and that one survivor killed the Predator by accident. The Colonial Marines mostly ended up dead too, but three got away, and they went up against an Armada of Aliens, including the Queen Bee herself. No Contest.
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11:11AM on 03/27/2014
Ripken killed the queen, she was not a marine. Hicks was KO'D be the end of Aliens. The whole "team" was dead.
Ripken killed the queen, she was not a marine. Hicks was KO'D be the end of Aliens. The whole "team" was dead.
9:17AM on 03/27/2014

Piss poor decision

And you effing well know it!
And you effing well know it!
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8:54AM on 03/27/2014
No fucking way! Predator all day! Aliens can't even touch that film! Awful face off.
No fucking way! Predator all day! Aliens can't even touch that film! Awful face off.
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9:21AM on 03/27/2014
They're not debating which film was better, but if they were, Aliens would still win.
They're not debating which film was better, but if they were, Aliens would still win.
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8:52AM on 03/27/2014
Damn good face off! However, I believe it should have ended in either a draw or the predator team coming out on top. But seriously, this was probably one of the best face off ideas of all time!
Damn good face off! However, I believe it should have ended in either a draw or the predator team coming out on top. But seriously, this was probably one of the best face off ideas of all time!
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8:24AM on 03/27/2014
Wrong again. If it where which movie was better Aliens would win. But Predator has ARNOLD which is an automatic win for the squad. And in the comic relief section you forgot to ad ARNOLD. And in the Survivors you mentioned, but I don't think you let sink in... ARNOLD.
Wrong again. If it where which movie was better Aliens would win. But Predator has ARNOLD which is an automatic win for the squad. And in the comic relief section you forgot to ad ARNOLD. And in the Survivors you mentioned, but I don't think you let sink in... ARNOLD.
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7:56AM on 03/27/2014

Now that's a face off!

I love them both but if it really came down to a battle for your life, I'd also go with the Colonial Marines (minus Hudson). They have the firepower, technology and brains (minus their leadership) to get through most situations. Plus I may get lucky with Ripley or Vasquez.
I love them both but if it really came down to a battle for your life, I'd also go with the Colonial Marines (minus Hudson). They have the firepower, technology and brains (minus their leadership) to get through most situations. Plus I may get lucky with Ripley or Vasquez.
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5:02PM on 03/27/2014
you're just so badass!
you're just so badass!
10:35AM on 03/27/2014
No. Were you?
No. Were you?
10:01AM on 03/27/2014
Really! wasnt vasquez mistaken for a man?
Really! wasnt vasquez mistaken for a man?
7:38AM on 03/27/2014

Colonial Marines for me

They were better equipped and they were up against a tougher opponent. Plus, I have a soft spot for Sigourney Weaver.
They were better equipped and they were up against a tougher opponent. Plus, I have a soft spot for Sigourney Weaver.
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5:47AM on 03/27/2014

I agree.

I think the Predator military team is better trained than the Colonial Marines, BUT the Marines just have technological superiority that can't be overlooked. Not just with their guns but with their flight support, tanks, and little things like their motion trackers.
I think the Predator military team is better trained than the Colonial Marines, BUT the Marines just have technological superiority that can't be overlooked. Not just with their guns but with their flight support, tanks, and little things like their motion trackers.
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5:57AM on 03/27/2014
Who needs Motion Trackers when you have Billy, he has a sixth sense and can tell you what direction the fire fight was going!
Who needs Motion Trackers when you have Billy, he has a sixth sense and can tell you what direction the fire fight was going!
5:31AM on 03/27/2014
Draw for me. Id pick either one to help me in an alien confrontation. Ideally i would pick em both.
Draw for me. Id pick either one to help me in an alien confrontation. Ideally i would pick em both.
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5:33AM on 03/27/2014
Also I do not think you can include Bishop as a survivor, he's an android. He is what Dillon would call an expendable asset.
Also I do not think you can include Bishop as a survivor, he's an android. He is what Dillon would call an expendable asset.
4:32AM on 03/27/2014

Who would you rather have with you if things went bad? Predator military team wins for me!

Why? Well, the Colonial Marines Squad included almost a dozen members including pilots and other crew and only Hicks survived; The Predator military team had 5 members and one survived as well so no real advantage there. It's true that the Colonial marines faced a bigger menace considering the number of Aliens but most of them acted extremely unprofessionally and were caught completely off guard despite a civilian's warning and complete report and Hicks and Bishop only managed to run away and
Why? Well, the Colonial Marines Squad included almost a dozen members including pilots and other crew and only Hicks survived; The Predator military team had 5 members and one survived as well so no real advantage there. It's true that the Colonial marines faced a bigger menace considering the number of Aliens but most of them acted extremely unprofessionally and were caught completely off guard despite a civilian's warning and complete report and Hicks and Bishop only managed to run away and blow everything up from a distance and survived because of Ripley; on the other end, the Predator team was strictly made of bad-ass, competent and professional guys facing an unexpected, unknown and invisible menace and still they wounded it and Dutch killed it all alone, or better yet, led him to commit suicide in despair so no contest here for me (even though I absolutely love both films). If you actually switched the teams and put them in the other movie and vice-versa (not the gear, just the members) I bet the colonial Marines would all die against the Predator without even knowing what hit them but the Aliens would have had a much tougher time against Dutch's Team... Talking about their gear, support or equipment isn't fair because one film is set in the present (past now but you know what i mean) and the other far away into the future not to mention that only one of these teams went in knowing they were going to face an an extraterrestrial threat.
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3:33AM on 03/27/2014

I'm gonna have me some fun

Bill Duke was awesome in Predator.
Bill Duke was awesome in Predator.
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3:46AM on 03/27/2014
And he's got a score to settle with Predator himself!
And he's got a score to settle with Predator himself!
2:41AM on 03/27/2014
Aliens' Colonial Marines for me. They have one awesome weapon - The Power Loader!
Aliens' Colonial Marines for me. They have one awesome weapon - The Power Loader!
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2:27AM on 03/27/2014
I am of the mind that Hicks would be easily welcomed in Dutch's crew because he kept his complete cool with limited amo and also the threat of hundreds of Aliens climbing in the walls and not to mention the looming nuclear explosion from the atmosphere creator happening in a few hours. Cooler than cool. Ripley as well heck she was even cooler.
I am of the mind that Hicks would be easily welcomed in Dutch's crew because he kept his complete cool with limited amo and also the threat of hundreds of Aliens climbing in the walls and not to mention the looming nuclear explosion from the atmosphere creator happening in a few hours. Cooler than cool. Ripley as well heck she was even cooler.
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2:11AM on 03/27/2014
The Predator crew has more badass-ness per capita, so it's hard not to side with them. However I submit that Ripley's power loader was ten times cooler than Dutch's simple coat of mud.
The Predator crew has more badass-ness per capita, so it's hard not to side with them. However I submit that Ripley's power loader was ten times cooler than Dutch's simple coat of mud.
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1:58AM on 03/27/2014
This article just made me feel depressed at how much I miss real action movies.
This article just made me feel depressed at how much I miss real action movies.
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1:52AM on 03/27/2014

No, no, no

This is not a fair comparison. The CM have better firepower, motion sensors and more members. But head to head, one on one, Dutch & Co. would annihilate the CMs. Also, the Dutch Co. have shown their ability to engage, ambush and blend in while the CMs just GET ambushed and hunker down. Now the one thing that hasn't been mentioned; is Ripley apart of the CMs? Cause shes a wild card and can sway the outcome greatly. Bitch don't die!
This is not a fair comparison. The CM have better firepower, motion sensors and more members. But head to head, one on one, Dutch & Co. would annihilate the CMs. Also, the Dutch Co. have shown their ability to engage, ambush and blend in while the CMs just GET ambushed and hunker down. Now the one thing that hasn't been mentioned; is Ripley apart of the CMs? Cause shes a wild card and can sway the outcome greatly. Bitch don't die!
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1:48AM on 03/27/2014

This is gonna be a strictly 50/50 affair

theres no winner here, especially with fans, youll have a 50 50 split on who should win.
theres no winner here, especially with fans, youll have a 50 50 split on who should win.
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1:47AM on 03/27/2014

I gotta agree

While the Predator team definitely has it in overall machismo, just listen to Hudson's speech to Ripley right before they land. I think it's extended in the director's cut. It's been forever since I've actually seen the theatrical version. The 1 where he goes on about ultimate bad assess & have a target particle beam phalanx, or something, that can fry 1/2 a city. Then goes on to say that they've got knives & sharp sticks. Those hombres had superior fire power & went up against 1 of the most
While the Predator team definitely has it in overall machismo, just listen to Hudson's speech to Ripley right before they land. I think it's extended in the director's cut. It's been forever since I've actually seen the theatrical version. The 1 where he goes on about ultimate bad assess & have a target particle beam phalanx, or something, that can fry 1/2 a city. Then goes on to say that they've got knives & sharp sticks. Those hombres had superior fire power & went up against 1 of the most fearsome entities in the universe & still had more people walk out alive. I'd say team Aliens was a bit more bad ass. I'd actually put money on Hicks taking Dutch tactically. Not in an arm wrestling match.
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1:46AM on 03/27/2014

Have To Disagree...

I would take the Predator Military team easily.
I would take the Predator Military team easily.
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1:25AM on 03/27/2014
Predator wins for me. But its not fair. Aliens' team was a bit more grounded than Predator's. Predator played heavily with them being the invincible action hero types. It was like GI Joe vs a badass alien hunter. Aliens played them as scared as shit undisciplined soldiers. It was like Platoon vs alien insects.
Predator wins for me. But its not fair. Aliens' team was a bit more grounded than Predator's. Predator played heavily with them being the invincible action hero types. It was like GI Joe vs a badass alien hunter. Aliens played them as scared as shit undisciplined soldiers. It was like Platoon vs alien insects.
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