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Joss Whedon says The Avengers: Age of Ultron will introduce a new origin for the robotic villain

Jul. 22, 2013by: Alex Maidy

I was out of the country when news came down that THE AVENGERS sequel would now be known as THE AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON. As much as anyone, I had a full nerdgasm at the possibilities that this news conveyed. But, now that the dust is beginning to settle a bit, we are beginning to get more news about what the inclusion of Ultron means for the Marvel Cinematic Universe from Joss Whedon himself.

Marvel has posted a new video from their Marvel Live! coverage from Comic Con and explained that just because the comics have Hank Pym (aka AntMan) as the creator of the robot menace, that doesn't mean he will be in the film.

"We're doing our own version of the origin story of Ultron, and the other thing is, in the origin story there was Hank Pym, so a lot of people assumed he was going to be in the mix, but he's not, because we're basically taking the things from the comics for the movies that we need and can use. A lot of stuff has to fall by the wayside. We're crafting our own version of it where his origin comes more directly from the Avengers we already know about."

I am putting my money on Ultron being created by Tony Stark which forces him back into his Iron Man gear after being in retirement. This would capitalize on the ending of IRON MAN 3 and also give a nice way for Robert Downey Jr. to jump back into the storyline. Either way, THE AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON looks to be a step up from the first movie and the screenplay isn't even complete yet.

THE AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON hits theaters on May 1, 2015.

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2:50PM on 08/18/2013

please let it be this alternative explanation and not Stark... :'(

i just posted this under the article where they announced the new Avengers film would be called AGE OF ULTRON, and although (slightly unnervingly), i pretty much agree with the author of this article, and sounds like theyre going to make Ultron Tony's creation instead (which just kinda doesnt seem right and slightly cheapens Pym's entire future dynamic), but what i wrote could also alternatively explain what's going on.... check it out:

"You would think that the ANT-MAN movie would lay the
i just posted this under the article where they announced the new Avengers film would be called AGE OF ULTRON, and although (slightly unnervingly), i pretty much agree with the author of this article, and sounds like theyre going to make Ultron Tony's creation instead (which just kinda doesnt seem right and slightly cheapens Pym's entire future dynamic), but what i wrote could also alternatively explain what's going on.... check it out:

"You would think that the ANT-MAN movie would lay the ground work for Ultron and The Vision. So why would they release it after AVENGERS 2. That makes no sense. That way THE AVENGERS film can focus on The Vision turning on Ultron. Just my two cents."
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i totally agree, and don't understand why they wouldn't have Pym's story in ANTMAN before AVENGERS 2... that way they'd be able to show his inventions, and Vision & Ultron's origins, and develop the precursor to where they wanna go with AGE OF ULTRON, but to have it after? i dunno... maybe they're going to relate to the recent story arc in the comics, by having it as Ultron traveling time from the future, and thus the Marvel Cinematic Universe AVENGERS need to defeat, and then afterwards, with ANT-MAN, we see how Ultron was created and where he came from...?? that's the only way i can see it making sense to have ANTMAN made afterwards... and it would also make the most sense, since the title for both the Avengers sequel, and the recent arc that just wrapped in the Marvel Comics Universe, it intimates the time-travelling Ultron from the future (or an alternate one, at least).... this is probably how it will all work out and be explained, im guessing, in my honest opinion....
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7:50PM on 07/23/2013
To me, not having Hank Pym create Ultron is like the Ninja Turtles being aliens. It's taking his biggest story line ever and saying it never happened.
To me, not having Hank Pym create Ultron is like the Ninja Turtles being aliens. It's taking his biggest story line ever and saying it never happened.
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1:51PM on 07/23/2013
There's a line I've drawn between acceptable and unnecessary changes between the comics and films. Organic webshooters were completely acceptable for me. Black Nick Fury was fine. However, Pym not being involved in Ultrong's origin is completely pointless to me. What the heck is Ant-Man going to do in his solo flick? Fight a cat?
There's a line I've drawn between acceptable and unnecessary changes between the comics and films. Organic webshooters were completely acceptable for me. Black Nick Fury was fine. However, Pym not being involved in Ultrong's origin is completely pointless to me. What the heck is Ant-Man going to do in his solo flick? Fight a cat?
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2:18PM on 07/23/2013
That's an interesting point. Everyone's line appears to be different. Mine seems to be similar to yours. But it's difficult to explain why organic web shooters are OK in my book, yet I feel strongly that Ultron's origin should remain with its original creator, Hank Pym. Granted changes like these can be justified by good writing and storytelling. I guess we won't know how acceptable these changes are until the movies come out. Maybe there's an incredibly evil cat.
That's an interesting point. Everyone's line appears to be different. Mine seems to be similar to yours. But it's difficult to explain why organic web shooters are OK in my book, yet I feel strongly that Ultron's origin should remain with its original creator, Hank Pym. Granted changes like these can be justified by good writing and storytelling. I guess we won't know how acceptable these changes are until the movies come out. Maybe there's an incredibly evil cat.
8:23AM on 07/23/2013
Can his body be formed of adamantium? For those that don't know, Ultron is made of adamantium, the same "indestructible" fictional metal that Wolverine's skeleton is laced with. We all know that Marvel can't use Wolverine in their movies, but can they use the same fictional metal?

As far as changing the origin, this disappoints me. I thought one of the most interesting stories behind Hank Pym was that he created Ultron. I think that really takes away from his character.
Can his body be formed of adamantium? For those that don't know, Ultron is made of adamantium, the same "indestructible" fictional metal that Wolverine's skeleton is laced with. We all know that Marvel can't use Wolverine in their movies, but can they use the same fictional metal?

As far as changing the origin, this disappoints me. I thought one of the most interesting stories behind Hank Pym was that he created Ultron. I think that really takes away from his character.
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11:46AM on 07/23/2013
probably substitute vibranium for admantium
probably substitute vibranium for admantium
2:18PM on 07/23/2013
That would work. And not all versions of Ultron were made of adamantium. So to keep continuity tight, it would make sense to use vibranium. Still curious though if a fictional substance holds the same exclusive rights as characters do.
That would work. And not all versions of Ultron were made of adamantium. So to keep continuity tight, it would make sense to use vibranium. Still curious though if a fictional substance holds the same exclusive rights as characters do.
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5:48AM on 07/23/2013
Sounds like a set up from Iron Man 3 - how often was Stark in the suit? He already has AI in Jarvis...now just needs to completely merge the two...and something goes wrong...or the robot simply does what all robots do best.... thinks logically... and in so doing... becomes evil. Well not really evil...but removing the cause of all problems on this planet... humanity just isn't a workable solutionso to try simply makes you evil :o) Then again, may be its more simple then thatmay be Jarvis
Sounds like a set up from Iron Man 3 - how often was Stark in the suit? He already has AI in Jarvis...now just needs to completely merge the two...and something goes wrong...or the robot simply does what all robots do best.... thinks logically... and in so doing... becomes evil. Well not really evil...but removing the cause of all problems on this planet... humanity just isn't a workable solutionso to try simply makes you evil :o) Then again, may be its more simple then thatmay be Jarvis developed a human trait of jealously and betrayal or Stark blew up all the suits that Jarvis helped create his babies may be its revenge time.
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1:17AM on 07/23/2013

Did he already create it in Iron Man 3?

Think about it, the suits can run themselves... all he needs is an AI........

What if JARVIS becomes Ultron?

It would certainly add an interesting dynamic to the film, Tony grieving a friend he has lost, who never _really_ existed in the first place.
Think about it, the suits can run themselves... all he needs is an AI........

What if JARVIS becomes Ultron?

It would certainly add an interesting dynamic to the film, Tony grieving a friend he has lost, who never _really_ existed in the first place.
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11:26PM on 07/22/2013
dkev is right, the teaser trailer basically showed Iron Man's helmet being smashed up and essentially reforged into a red Ultron helmet. So Iron Man probably will play a part in Ultron's origins.
dkev is right, the teaser trailer basically showed Iron Man's helmet being smashed up and essentially reforged into a red Ultron helmet. So Iron Man probably will play a part in Ultron's origins.
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9:43PM on 07/22/2013
I think Alex is on to something. Wasn't there a Con teaser showing Iron Mans helmet being crushed then reformed into Ultron?
I think Alex is on to something. Wasn't there a Con teaser showing Iron Mans helmet being crushed then reformed into Ultron?
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9:04PM on 07/22/2013
wah wah something something mandarin
wah wah something something mandarin
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8:43PM on 07/22/2013
My guess is Jarvis in the distant future will see the death of Tony Stark and blame his death on shield and some of the bad guys out there. As a result, Jarvis will transfer itself into the ultron suit and use the cosmic cube to travel back in time to our present along with several hundred automated iron man suits created by ultron.
My guess is Jarvis in the distant future will see the death of Tony Stark and blame his death on shield and some of the bad guys out there. As a result, Jarvis will transfer itself into the ultron suit and use the cosmic cube to travel back in time to our present along with several hundred automated iron man suits created by ultron.
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7:52PM on 07/22/2013
Wrong move here marvel. We hardly know anything at this point though other then Ultron isnt made by Hank. We'll see how this plays out but this is a little blow to comic fans just like the mandarin in Iron Man 3.
Wrong move here marvel. We hardly know anything at this point though other then Ultron isnt made by Hank. We'll see how this plays out but this is a little blow to comic fans just like the mandarin in Iron Man 3.
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7:24PM on 07/22/2013
Did it twice. My bad.
Did it twice. My bad.
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6:55PM on 07/22/2013

The comic has it's story, the movie will have it's own...

And I'm not sure if I can hold myself to accepting that. The only way I could would be if Vin Diesel ended up playing Absorbing Man and he absorbs Ultron (a la Earth-X). I think Creel could still likely be his role, since Avengers 2 was only just recently announced officially. But, Diesel seems wayyyy to eager to spill it, so he's probably going to be Ultron. Ah, Sh*t. *kicks dirt*
And I'm not sure if I can hold myself to accepting that. The only way I could would be if Vin Diesel ended up playing Absorbing Man and he absorbs Ultron (a la Earth-X). I think Creel could still likely be his role, since Avengers 2 was only just recently announced officially. But, Diesel seems wayyyy to eager to spill it, so he's probably going to be Ultron. Ah, Sh*t. *kicks dirt*
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6:52PM on 07/22/2013
Accidental repost. How do you delete them
Accidental repost. How do you delete them
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6:08PM on 07/22/2013
Why? If they're already making an Ant-Man movie why change the origins of his biggest nemesis? It's like cutting Loki's ties with Thor.
Why? If they're already making an Ant-Man movie why change the origins of his biggest nemesis? It's like cutting Loki's ties with Thor.
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5:30PM on 07/22/2013

I KNOW

James Earl Jones for the voice of ultron.
James Earl Jones for the voice of ultron.
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5:36PM on 07/22/2013
Yes
Yes
4:38PM on 07/22/2013
In response to the general consensus in the talkbacks, I think everyone might be jumping the gun by getting angry at Tony Stark creating Ultron instead of Hank Pym. Joss Whedon hasn't stated that Stark would be creating Ultron, just that Ultron would be created within the confines of the existing Avengers. Stark is the most likely guess, but we don't know that for sure. Granted it would be an awesome way to introduce Pym into the MCU, but if it's not going to happen, it's not a big deal.
In response to the general consensus in the talkbacks, I think everyone might be jumping the gun by getting angry at Tony Stark creating Ultron instead of Hank Pym. Joss Whedon hasn't stated that Stark would be creating Ultron, just that Ultron would be created within the confines of the existing Avengers. Stark is the most likely guess, but we don't know that for sure. Granted it would be an awesome way to introduce Pym into the MCU, but if it's not going to happen, it's not a big deal. As long as they tell a logical and concise story to explain Ultron's origin, it'll be fine.
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4:37PM on 07/22/2013

Hmmm...

I guess I'm the only one that believes that Marvel is in this AS A BUSINESS. The reason they change some stuff around, is so that not everyone has to be fanboy or comic book reader to feel they can connect with the idea of the movie. That being said, if they kept everything the same as the comics, they would just re-release the old version of comics. Why do that, when there's a perfectly good way of generating dollars and cents with the NEW VERSION, introduced by the movie. REVENUE, that's what
I guess I'm the only one that believes that Marvel is in this AS A BUSINESS. The reason they change some stuff around, is so that not everyone has to be fanboy or comic book reader to feel they can connect with the idea of the movie. That being said, if they kept everything the same as the comics, they would just re-release the old version of comics. Why do that, when there's a perfectly good way of generating dollars and cents with the NEW VERSION, introduced by the movie. REVENUE, that's what business is all about...
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4:28PM on 07/22/2013

Totally agree with drewmanning..

What's the point of introducing ANT-MAN and giving him his own movie if you're not going to explore his greatest story with him as the central character and instead give it to the most popular character. That just sounds ridiculous. Especially from a financial point of view. You're going to take away the only thing that makes that character interesting or even relevant and give it to a character that, if he took a shit in the snow for 2 hours straight and called it IRON MAN:AGE OF SHIT, it
What's the point of introducing ANT-MAN and giving him his own movie if you're not going to explore his greatest story with him as the central character and instead give it to the most popular character. That just sounds ridiculous. Especially from a financial point of view. You're going to take away the only thing that makes that character interesting or even relevant and give it to a character that, if he took a shit in the snow for 2 hours straight and called it IRON MAN:AGE OF SHIT, it would make money; is just plain stupid and boring.
It's MANDARIN GATE all over again.
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4:15PM on 07/22/2013
Who gives a shit what character builds Ultron? As long as the themes are the same, and the result is the same, and Ultron is still Ultron. I could care less if it was built by Antman or Iron Man. Actually, I'd rather it be Iron Man.
Who gives a shit what character builds Ultron? As long as the themes are the same, and the result is the same, and Ultron is still Ultron. I could care less if it was built by Antman or Iron Man. Actually, I'd rather it be Iron Man.
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1:23PM on 07/23/2013
Why would you rather it be Iron Man?
Why would you rather it be Iron Man?
3:54PM on 07/22/2013

I feel like this is going to be Iron Man centric, again

In The Avengers, Tony's wonderful new tower acted as the perfect base for Loki to release his "army", now, there's a possibility of Tony creating something (likely from the extremis) that now wants humanity dead. I hope Whedon has thought of something more original.
In The Avengers, Tony's wonderful new tower acted as the perfect base for Loki to release his "army", now, there's a possibility of Tony creating something (likely from the extremis) that now wants humanity dead. I hope Whedon has thought of something more original.
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3:28PM on 07/22/2013

I have a theory.....

Well more like the expansion of Alex's theory. I believe if they are going to change Ultron's origins and have Tony Stark involved, it will be something like this....
"Its been a couple of years since the events of Iron Man 3 followed by the retirement of Tony as Iron Man. However, Tony still feels obligated to contribute in the protection and safety of Earth (or with pressure from the government and S.H.I.E.L.D to create an Avenger that they can 100% control, due to the unpredictable nature
Well more like the expansion of Alex's theory. I believe if they are going to change Ultron's origins and have Tony Stark involved, it will be something like this....
"Its been a couple of years since the events of Iron Man 3 followed by the retirement of Tony as Iron Man. However, Tony still feels obligated to contribute in the protection and safety of Earth (or with pressure from the government and S.H.I.E.L.D to create an Avenger that they can 100% control, due to the unpredictable nature of the Avengers and partially due to the destruction of NY) and create a self-evolving AI being in the form of Voltron. This backfires when Voltron goes "General Zod/HAL 9000" on them and Tony must don the Iron Man suit to fight alongside his fellow Avengers to end Voltron's menace".
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3:46PM on 07/22/2013
While Avengers + Voltron would probably be incredibly awesome, I think you mean Ultron.
While Avengers + Voltron would probably be incredibly awesome, I think you mean Ultron.
6:37PM on 07/22/2013
Whoops, yeah. My mistake. Got my pop culture twisted.
Whoops, yeah. My mistake. Got my pop culture twisted.
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3:27PM on 07/22/2013

Hank Pym

Hes not just the creator of Ultron, It's his brain patterns that Ultron's mind is based on. He's messed up head is the reason Ultron free from human conscience is the villain that he is. One of Pym's defining characteristics is his guilt over Ultron. To have him as the villain but no Pym is a slap to the face of the source material.
Hes not just the creator of Ultron, It's his brain patterns that Ultron's mind is based on. He's messed up head is the reason Ultron free from human conscience is the villain that he is. One of Pym's defining characteristics is his guilt over Ultron. To have him as the villain but no Pym is a slap to the face of the source material.
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3:26PM on 07/22/2013

I have a theory.....

Well more like the expansion of Alex's theory. I believe if they are going to change Ultron's origins and have Tony Stark involved, it will be something like this....
"Its been a couple of years since the events of Iron Man 3 followed by the retirement of Tony as Iron Man. However, Tony still feels obligated to contribute in the protection and safety of Earth (or with pressure from the government and S.H.I.E.L.D to create an Avenger that they can 100% control, due to the unpredictable nature
Well more like the expansion of Alex's theory. I believe if they are going to change Ultron's origins and have Tony Stark involved, it will be something like this....
"Its been a couple of years since the events of Iron Man 3 followed by the retirement of Tony as Iron Man. However, Tony still feels obligated to contribute in the protection and safety of Earth (or with pressure from the government and S.H.I.E.L.D to create an Avenger that they can 100% control, due to the unpredictable nature of the Avengers and partially due to the destruction of NY) and create a self-evolving AI being in the form of Voltron. This backfires when Voltron goes "General Zod/HAL 9000" on them and Tony must don the Iron Man suit to fight alongside his fellow Avengers to end Voltron's menace".
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3:29PM on 07/22/2013
you basically just said what the author already said. only in more words. and you replaced "ultron" with "voltron". i think i like your version better.
you basically just said what the author already said. only in more words. and you replaced "ultron" with "voltron". i think i like your version better.
3:41PM on 07/22/2013
That sounds like a great theory, pretty much what I would guess, except for that character is Ultron, not Voltron. Voltron is this guy:

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That sounds like a great theory, pretty much what I would guess, except for that character is Ultron, not Voltron. Voltron is this guy:

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3:43PM on 07/22/2013
lol @ tae k
Voltron would be the ultimate superhero mashup.
lol @ tae k
Voltron would be the ultimate superhero mashup.
4:33PM on 07/22/2013
That would be an awesome storyline where the Avengers need to fight Voltron, if it was possible, I'd buy my ticket today!
That would be an awesome storyline where the Avengers need to fight Voltron, if it was possible, I'd buy my ticket today!
3:17PM on 07/22/2013
Why even bother doing an Ant-Man movie if you're going to take away his best storyline? It's the Mandarin all over again! At least Joss had the decency to announce it a head of time so I won't be disappointed two years from now. If Marvel wanted me to lose all the good faith I had with them since Avengers then between this and Iron man 3 they're doing a hell of a job.
Why even bother doing an Ant-Man movie if you're going to take away his best storyline? It's the Mandarin all over again! At least Joss had the decency to announce it a head of time so I won't be disappointed two years from now. If Marvel wanted me to lose all the good faith I had with them since Avengers then between this and Iron man 3 they're doing a hell of a job.
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3:41PM on 07/22/2013
Come on... nothing was as bad as The Mandarin.
Come on... nothing was as bad as The Mandarin.
3:17PM on 07/22/2013

I'm a huge fan of the comics, but...

I prefer Whedon's method. What works on the printed page will not always transfer well onto the big screen. Besides, I like being surprised. Like with the Walking Dead. The show stays true to the spirit of the graphic while making it new & keeping it fresh. Best way to keep fans of the source material interested is to keep it fresh while giving them a "tip of the hat" to the way it was in the comics. While I'm a comic guy, I'm also a huge film fan. I want a flick that surprises me & that I
I prefer Whedon's method. What works on the printed page will not always transfer well onto the big screen. Besides, I like being surprised. Like with the Walking Dead. The show stays true to the spirit of the graphic while making it new & keeping it fresh. Best way to keep fans of the source material interested is to keep it fresh while giving them a "tip of the hat" to the way it was in the comics. While I'm a comic guy, I'm also a huge film fan. I want a flick that surprises me & that I don't already know the end to before I walk into the theater or figure out 10 minutes into. Granted, it's still fun to watch it unfold on the screen, but if it surprises me also it's just that much better. I also think that they'll use Tony to create Ultron. He'll probably use some pieces of armor he finds or has laying around somewhere & makes Ultron to do some "Iron Man" duties or something before he turns against them. Something along those lines maybe. I'm excited to see it.
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3:17PM on 07/22/2013
But if Tony comes back out of retirement his girlfriend is going to be sooooo mad
But if Tony comes back out of retirement his girlfriend is going to be sooooo mad
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3:13PM on 07/22/2013
With Ant-Man slated for 2015 and secretive nature of Hollywood, I'm feeling like a little smoke is being blown up my behind.
With Ant-Man slated for 2015 and secretive nature of Hollywood, I'm feeling like a little smoke is being blown up my behind.
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2:59PM on 07/22/2013
Ant Man or Pym should just be in Age of Ultron. Creating Ultron is one the cool factors about Ant Man, kind of frustrating that Ant Man has been in production since Iron Man and Incredible Hulk and we still haven't seen him yet!!
Ant Man or Pym should just be in Age of Ultron. Creating Ultron is one the cool factors about Ant Man, kind of frustrating that Ant Man has been in production since Iron Man and Incredible Hulk and we still haven't seen him yet!!
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2:59PM on 07/22/2013
I've already resigned myself to the fact that the Marvel movie universe is substantially different to that of the comics (though they themselves are open to constant reinvention anyway) so if they want to change things up a bit with Ultron it's not the end of the world. Ideally I'd want him to look as much like the original comic design, but how they decide he was created shouldn't be a deal breaker.
I've already resigned myself to the fact that the Marvel movie universe is substantially different to that of the comics (though they themselves are open to constant reinvention anyway) so if they want to change things up a bit with Ultron it's not the end of the world. Ideally I'd want him to look as much like the original comic design, but how they decide he was created shouldn't be a deal breaker.
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2:55PM on 07/22/2013
Separating Hank and Ultron is probably the only thing Marvel has done that has really left me disappointed. I'm confident the movie will be good regardless though.
Separating Hank and Ultron is probably the only thing Marvel has done that has really left me disappointed. I'm confident the movie will be good regardless though.
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2:51PM on 07/22/2013
I agree with you Alex, that the story will involve Stark's creation of Ultron. Since this reveal, I've been thinking about what Joss Whedon had said about the sequel, which was "Death and more death." That alone just triggered my excitement beyond meter.
I agree with you Alex, that the story will involve Stark's creation of Ultron. Since this reveal, I've been thinking about what Joss Whedon had said about the sequel, which was "Death and more death." That alone just triggered my excitement beyond meter.
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2:50PM on 07/22/2013
Obviously I would want to this movie to tell the proper origins tale of Ultron including Hank Pym/Ant Man, but having Tony create him then having to stop him by putting on the suit again sounds like a very cool idea.
Obviously I would want to this movie to tell the proper origins tale of Ultron including Hank Pym/Ant Man, but having Tony create him then having to stop him by putting on the suit again sounds like a very cool idea.
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2:48PM on 07/22/2013

whats the point of making a comic book film that doesnt follow the comics...at least the basic elements...

all we fan boys want is to see how the comic book stories are conveyed on the screen....not change em drastically!Changing the vital aspects just doesn't inspire the same vibe!
all we fan boys want is to see how the comic book stories are conveyed on the screen....not change em drastically!Changing the vital aspects just doesn't inspire the same vibe!
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2:52PM on 07/22/2013
like when Tim Burton decided to make the Joker the killer of Bruce Wayne's parents?
like when Tim Burton decided to make the Joker the killer of Bruce Wayne's parents?
3:35PM on 07/22/2013
Amen!
Amen!
3:55PM on 07/22/2013
TAE K... absolutely right.
I also liked how Professor X lost his ability to walk by Magneto
TAE K... absolutely right.
I also liked how Professor X lost his ability to walk by Magneto
1:25PM on 07/23/2013
I can't tell if Noble is being agreed or disagreed with.

The Joker AND Prof.X examples were both terrible decisions. To me, they're proving Noble's point.
I can't tell if Noble is being agreed or disagreed with.

The Joker AND Prof.X examples were both terrible decisions. To me, they're proving Noble's point.
2:47PM on 07/22/2013
Let the incessant fanboy bitching commence.
Let the incessant fanboy bitching commence.
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2:39PM on 07/22/2013
Hearing about the title for the first time too. Very... geeky, and bold.
Hearing about the title for the first time too. Very... geeky, and bold.
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