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Red Dawn producer explains China to North Korea villain shift

Mar. 18, 2011by: Paul Tassi

The RED DAWN reboot is shaping up to be one of the most ill-conceived films in recent memory. Since its inception it upset China and Chinese people for its depiction of them as the main villain, invading and enslaving America.

Well it only took those behind the film years later to figure out it might not be the best idea to completely alienate their fifth biggest market. They just announced they were going to go back and digitally change all Chinese references to North Korea. Why North Korea? Because poor starving farmers don't really have time to go to the movies much, and the fat dictators and government officials that might hate us passionately already.

In an e-mail to AICN, producer Tripp Vinson explains the thought process behind the villain shift and the film itself.

I know there is a lot of interest and questions as to the changes announced regarding ‘Red Dawn.’

This movie has been rebooted because the filmmakers all love the original movie. The experience of seeing Red Dawn as a young boy in the middle of a Cold War, was life changing for me and a generation. I assure you that everyone involved with the reboot is keenly aware of the responsibility of delivering a movie that can stand eye to eye with the original.

The changes made to ‘Red Dawn’ in the last few weeks were made in consultation with military think tanks and people that specialize in game theory. Really smart people that spend their days constructing doomsday scenarios for our military and government. The type of people that know the limitations of the North Korean military. The type of people that can project a series of events that could lead to some very scary things happening to our Country. I can assure you, we listened well to those people, especially with regards to the capability of the North Korean military.

‘Red Dawn’ isn’t for everyone. So, if you are interested in seeing a movie filled with preachy political discussions – ‘Red Dawn’ ain’t for you. If you love movies in which Americans are the bad guys – Red Dawn ain’t for you. If you get emotional watching daytime television – ‘Red Dawn’ ain’t for you. If you’re a vegetarian – ‘Red Dawn’ probably ain’t for you.

But! If you like meat with your potatoes, muscle cares that roar, tanks, guns and things blowing the fuck up by American’s kicking some Commie ass – the we have something special coming your way.

WOLVERINES!

Tripp Vinson

So in short, "AMERICA, F*CK YEAH!"

Extra Tidbit: But don't worry, they've consulted with "military think tanks" and it's totally plausible that North Korea could successfully invade and occupy America. Good to know.
Source: AICN

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6:32AM on 03/21/2011
Did they consult North Korean military think tanks? Man, what a joke.
Did they consult North Korean military think tanks? Man, what a joke.
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11:50PM on 03/20/2011
I like meat and potatoes, and watching stuff blow up! Maybe this IS the movie for me! LOL! I'm not gonna pass judgement till I see a trailer.
I like meat and potatoes, and watching stuff blow up! Maybe this IS the movie for me! LOL! I'm not gonna pass judgement till I see a trailer.
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10:12PM on 03/19/2011
Yeah, cuz I'm sure China will be all ready to go see a movie about American's killing Commies, just so long as they're north Korean commies played by Chinese actors and not Chinese commies played by chinese actors.
Yeah, cuz I'm sure China will be all ready to go see a movie about American's killing Commies, just so long as they're north Korean commies played by Chinese actors and not Chinese commies played by chinese actors.
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8:11PM on 03/19/2011
I'll totally still see it, but damn was this a pussified move. It might (MIGHT!) still be good. I doubt it. But I'm willing to find out.
I'll totally still see it, but damn was this a pussified move. It might (MIGHT!) still be good. I doubt it. But I'm willing to find out.
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7:42PM on 03/19/2011
Red Dawn aint for me.
Red Dawn aint for me.
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5:20PM on 03/19/2011

So the reason for the antagonist nationality change is...

..to appease the Chinese market AND because the producer is mentally retarded?

Good to know.
..to appease the Chinese market AND because the producer is mentally retarded?

Good to know.
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12:31PM on 03/19/2011
I ain't gonna lie I liked Red Dawn when it came out but I would never say it was 'life changing' it was about as realistic as Moonraker, and I knew that then.

They should have changed China to Canadians then Joblo and Arrow could've gotten in on the fun!
I ain't gonna lie I liked Red Dawn when it came out but I would never say it was 'life changing' it was about as realistic as Moonraker, and I knew that then.

They should have changed China to Canadians then Joblo and Arrow could've gotten in on the fun!
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11:57AM on 03/19/2011
Which frat house produced this movie?
Which frat house produced this movie?
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4:27AM on 03/19/2011
??? This may be Vinson's last film project?
??? This may be Vinson's last film project?
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4:26AM on 03/19/2011

EXTRA TIDBIT

Yeah, right. :)

There is a new Australian film where China invades Australia I belive, apparently its OK in that film but not in this.
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Would have been better if they just made a country up.
Yeah, right. :)

There is a new Australian film where China invades Australia I belive, apparently its OK in that film but not in this.
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Would have been better if they just made a country up.
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4:25AM on 03/19/2011
Whoa,this Vinson guy,sounds like he's totally out of touch with the realities and the original concept of this film.
Whoa,this Vinson guy,sounds like he's totally out of touch with the realities and the original concept of this film.
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12:53AM on 03/19/2011
What a lost opportunity. If they were going to digitally change all Chinese references to another country, why not make it Canada? It's about as believable as North Korea invading us, and everyone knows that Canadians already hate us for not admitting Rush into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame!
What a lost opportunity. If they were going to digitally change all Chinese references to another country, why not make it Canada? It's about as believable as North Korea invading us, and everyone knows that Canadians already hate us for not admitting Rush into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame!
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11:16PM on 03/18/2011

Deeply Stupid

The reason the original struck a cord, was because of the nature of the cold war conflict with Russia, being a worthy opponent.

China is a worthy opponent, and is opposed to America's interest much in the same way Russia was.

North Korea is a fly to be swatted.

The concept of North Korea invading America is a comical at best.

Are the Zucker Bros. directing this?
The reason the original struck a cord, was because of the nature of the cold war conflict with Russia, being a worthy opponent.

China is a worthy opponent, and is opposed to America's interest much in the same way Russia was.

North Korea is a fly to be swatted.

The concept of North Korea invading America is a comical at best.

Are the Zucker Bros. directing this?
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1:42AM on 03/19/2011
fly you say? fly with some nukes.
fly you say? fly with some nukes.
12:52PM on 03/20/2011
Yes. A fly to be swatted.

North Korea has nukes. So what?

The U.S. has somewhere in the neighborhood of 5,000 operational nuclear warheads, and more in reserve. North Korea has separated enough plutonium to make about 12 warheads.

This presents a bit more than enough for an effective deterrent.

Furthermore, North Korea simply doesn't have the manpower to launch an invasion of this scale, nor to maintain an occupying force in such a large geographical area.

So yes, North Korea is a fly to
Yes. A fly to be swatted.

North Korea has nukes. So what?

The U.S. has somewhere in the neighborhood of 5,000 operational nuclear warheads, and more in reserve. North Korea has separated enough plutonium to make about 12 warheads.

This presents a bit more than enough for an effective deterrent.

Furthermore, North Korea simply doesn't have the manpower to launch an invasion of this scale, nor to maintain an occupying force in such a large geographical area.

So yes, North Korea is a fly to be swatted.

And the concept of North Korea invading America is right out of a zany Zucker Bros. screenplay.

But that's what we get when spineless Hollywood dullards don't want to upset their comrades.
9:22PM on 03/18/2011

Our precious bodily fluids

While I dont agree with the changing of the invading nation I could really care less. I just want to see this movie. But I couldnt help but to think of Dr. Strangelove when he talked about the military think tanks. And as always... WOLVERINES!!!
While I dont agree with the changing of the invading nation I could really care less. I just want to see this movie. But I couldnt help but to think of Dr. Strangelove when he talked about the military think tanks. And as always... WOLVERINES!!!
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8:31PM on 03/18/2011
Dear Tripp Vinson,

North Korea isn't communist, you stupid fuck.

They drifted away from communism after Mao's revolution didn't play well in North Korea and Kim Jong Il has recently removed all references to communism from the states constitution.
Dear Tripp Vinson,

North Korea isn't communist, you stupid fuck.

They drifted away from communism after Mao's revolution didn't play well in North Korea and Kim Jong Il has recently removed all references to communism from the states constitution.
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8:09PM on 03/18/2011

Tripp, RD isn't for you.

Hey, Tripp. You say that a Red Dawn viewer should not like political discussion. So, is your Red Dawn not for intelligent people? Because, real men have knowledge, thoughts, opinions, strong minds.
Also, son, you should know. Some Schmoes are ursine omnivores, and they wash down their meat and potatoes with beer. And, they love fast cars and know their firearms. And, they are unapologetic about America fighting its enemies and kicking some ass. Also, these men--of whom you ain't one--do not
Hey, Tripp. You say that a Red Dawn viewer should not like political discussion. So, is your Red Dawn not for intelligent people? Because, real men have knowledge, thoughts, opinions, strong minds.
Also, son, you should know. Some Schmoes are ursine omnivores, and they wash down their meat and potatoes with beer. And, they love fast cars and know their firearms. And, they are unapologetic about America fighting its enemies and kicking some ass. Also, these men--of whom you ain't one--do not insult their vegetarian, daytime-TV-loving, or other neighbors. And, they can handle, again without insulting, other opinions than their own. You see, Trippy, these Americans have balls and character. I have balls and character.

However, you don't. Like a coward, you changed your movie because you were too scared to stand-by a controversial artistic statement. You were too scared to place character before money. You were too scared to do Red Dawn right. And, now, like a little coward, you are too scared to openly back your financial decision. You would rather bullshit everyone and insult our intelligence. Shit, Tripp, I am a hick and a nerd, and I am more man than you are. So, don't pretend that you are some expert on masculinity. You have no ethos. So, Tripp? Shut up, bitch.

Aaaand, a moderator might delete this. I understand. But, man, I could not tolerate little Trippy acting like he's me or understands me. Real men have backbones, and they are honest and tolerant (except towards current war enemies). Trippy, you don't get to be cool like us Schmoes. Red Dawn wasn't the project for you.
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6:36PM on 03/18/2011
Red Dawn 3 - Attack from the Vatican!
Red Dawn 3 - Attack from the Vatican!
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6:06PM on 03/18/2011
Sounds like what GI Joe should have been...
Sounds like what GI Joe should have been...
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4:13PM on 03/18/2011
I'm a vegetarian so I guess I won't bother paying to see it. It must be 90 minutes of people eating steak and burgers.
I'm a vegetarian so I guess I won't bother paying to see it. It must be 90 minutes of people eating steak and burgers.
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4:57PM on 03/18/2011
I used to be a vegetarian for 10 years, but I saw the screening of this movie, and now I'm a full-fledged carnivore again. Steak and Burgers from beginning to end...oh yeah, and potatoes too!
I used to be a vegetarian for 10 years, but I saw the screening of this movie, and now I'm a full-fledged carnivore again. Steak and Burgers from beginning to end...oh yeah, and potatoes too!
3:50PM on 03/18/2011
At this point, they should just go with the premise of this movie as being a spoof. Hot Shots part 3: Red Dawn Remake!!! (Maybe we can get Charlie Sheen in on the action now too).
At this point, they should just go with the premise of this movie as being a spoof. Hot Shots part 3: Red Dawn Remake!!! (Maybe we can get Charlie Sheen in on the action now too).
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2:38PM on 03/18/2011

What a PUSSY!

Stick it to the man! Chinese I could see coming in with soldiers and all that to actually be a good remake, but North Korea would just nuke us and, ya, The End!

Lets all bow to china and not make [link]
Stick it to the man! Chinese I could see coming in with soldiers and all that to actually be a good remake, but North Korea would just nuke us and, ya, The End!

Lets all bow to china and not make [link]
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2:14PM on 03/18/2011
You know who would be a more believable red menace than either China or North Korea?

Killer tomatoes.
You know who would be a more believable red menace than either China or North Korea?

Killer tomatoes.
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2:00PM on 03/18/2011
This was 3 days ago -->

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Now, the likelihood of a North Korean attack or being capable of? Not likely. Ever.

Unless they were assisting the Chinese. (like the Cubans did for the Soviets in the original)
This was 3 days ago -->

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Now, the likelihood of a North Korean attack or being capable of? Not likely. Ever.

Unless they were assisting the Chinese. (like the Cubans did for the Soviets in the original)
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1:41PM on 03/18/2011
I don't know about you guys, but I can't think of a better thing for the States to do than release an unnecessary remake that will serve only to rile up an entire country. Thank you Hollywood for doing this, because the world needs more feuds and instigations.

In all seriousness though...how did anyone think this was a good idea? But it's ok until someone makes a movie about the US right? Let's see what happens if any other countries start pumping out big budget anti-American movies an see
I don't know about you guys, but I can't think of a better thing for the States to do than release an unnecessary remake that will serve only to rile up an entire country. Thank you Hollywood for doing this, because the world needs more feuds and instigations.

In all seriousness though...how did anyone think this was a good idea? But it's ok until someone makes a movie about the US right? Let's see what happens if any other countries start pumping out big budget anti-American movies an see how serious things will get.
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1:25PM on 03/18/2011

Lemme show you my -_- face

"I can assure you, we listened well to those people, especially with regards to the capability of the North Korean military."

Man these suits really think we are stupid. Oh wait, we are. Just look at the absolute crap that makes money these days =(
"I can assure you, we listened well to those people, especially with regards to the capability of the North Korean military."

Man these suits really think we are stupid. Oh wait, we are. Just look at the absolute crap that makes money these days =(
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1:22PM on 03/18/2011
I still don't get the logistics of this. There's gotta be a lot of dialogue that refers to China and I have to assume that the Chinese character will be doing a lot of talking...are they going to go back and dub everything? If it's that easy, it doesn't speak well for the complexity of the film.
I still don't get the logistics of this. There's gotta be a lot of dialogue that refers to China and I have to assume that the Chinese character will be doing a lot of talking...are they going to go back and dub everything? If it's that easy, it doesn't speak well for the complexity of the film.
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12:43PM on 03/18/2011

Quick, avoid the point of the question!

Then move onto puff-speech implying that people not looking forward to RED DAWN are nancies! YEAH!

Tripp needs a smack. He'd be an awful politician. Unsurprisingly, he seems like an awful producer.
Then move onto puff-speech implying that people not looking forward to RED DAWN are nancies! YEAH!

Tripp needs a smack. He'd be an awful politician. Unsurprisingly, he seems like an awful producer.
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12:41PM on 03/18/2011
If I play Homefront I don't have to go see this stupid remake.
If I play Homefront I don't have to go see this stupid remake.
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12:30PM on 03/18/2011
The movie's done filming right? I'm sure they say china alot so are they going to dub north korea everytime someone says it?
The movie's done filming right? I'm sure they say china alot so are they going to dub north korea everytime someone says it?
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12:48PM on 03/18/2011
I believe that's what they've said, yeah. That and digitally editing all the Chinese flags and stuff.
I believe that's what they've said, yeah. That and digitally editing all the Chinese flags and stuff.
1:21PM on 03/18/2011
Yeah I tend to skim the articles.
I guess digitally change includes mouths too or maybe an awkward shot of the back of someone's head each time they say north korea.
Yeah I tend to skim the articles.
I guess digitally change includes mouths too or maybe an awkward shot of the back of someone's head each time they say north korea.
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12:24PM on 03/18/2011
Seriously, calm down guys.

OT: This sounds badass. Bring it on!
Seriously, calm down guys.

OT: This sounds badass. Bring it on!
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12:16PM on 03/18/2011

Tripping

Tripp Vinson, take a bow. You are the biggest asshole of the week.
Tripp Vinson, take a bow. You are the biggest asshole of the week.
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12:13PM on 03/18/2011
Wow, this guy sounds like an ignorant, jingoistic jerkass. He knows the Cold War is over, right? Most people don't spend their time worrying about Commies anymore.

And yeah, this movie was a stupid idea from the start. They need to burn every copy of it they have so far and just let us forget this idea ever made it so far.
Wow, this guy sounds like an ignorant, jingoistic jerkass. He knows the Cold War is over, right? Most people don't spend their time worrying about Commies anymore.

And yeah, this movie was a stupid idea from the start. They need to burn every copy of it they have so far and just let us forget this idea ever made it so far.
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