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Behind the scenes of picking Snyder for Superman, plus a plot?

10.06.2010

The big story of the week is that from a laundry list of great directors, Chris Nolan and Warner Bros picked 300 and WATCHMEN's Zack Snyder to head up the new project. Most of us think that's a pretty damn good decisions, but Vulture did some digging, and found out that the selection process wasn't all roses.

We're told by knowledgeable insiders the reason Warner Bros. picked Snyder for Man of Steel is that the script by David Goyer was rushed, is still a bit of a mess, and that Warner Bros. needs someone who won't spend months or even years trying to get it just right (i.e., Aronofsky), because time is the one thing they don't have: The studio must have a new Superman movie in production by 2011 or they'll be subject to potential lawsuits by the heirs of the superhero's creators.

We're told that Snyder was not really Warner's first choice to direct Superman, but that a director needed to be hired imminently. Privately, even Snyder has confided to agency sources that the current Superman script needs work, but clearly Warner Bros. believes he can get it done faster than Aronofsky.

Aronofsky, who we've just learned is jumping camps to talk to Fox and Marvel about reuniting with Hugh Jackman to helm the WOLVERINE sequel, which would be an equally ambitious project, give how shitty the first one was.

Vulture also casually mentions the alleged plot of the SUPERMAN reboot, but it's unclear where exactly they got this info.

Until last weekend, though, Aronofsky was far more interested in directing WB's original take on Superman — in which Clark Kent is a journalist traveling the world trying to decide if he should, in fact, even become Superman — than doing a sequel like Wolverine 2

Haven't heard that before about this project, and that sounds pretty Smallville-ish to me, as most of us are pretty sick of origin stories at this point. But it would set the film in a more "realistic" world I suppose, and would solve the problem that even the best tailored Superman costume looks kind of ridiculous on camera in this day and age. Come on, look at that thing! It's like pajamas.

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Extra Tidbit: Rumor has it Routh isn't coming back.
Source: Vulture

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9:02AM on 10/07/2010
Luthor is integral to the Superman mythos, but I'd be really happy if they didn't make him the main villain this time around. Even General Zod would be a dull choice. I really want to see Superman deal with something we haven't seen on the big screen before. Something involving Brainiac wouldn't be the worst idea ever. If this film's going to be worthwhile, they need to break new ground with it.
Luthor is integral to the Superman mythos, but I'd be really happy if they didn't make him the main villain this time around. Even General Zod would be a dull choice. I really want to see Superman deal with something we haven't seen on the big screen before. Something involving Brainiac wouldn't be the worst idea ever. If this film's going to be worthwhile, they need to break new ground with it.
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8:21AM on 10/07/2010
I might be way off base here, but I think Jackie Earle Haley would pull off a fantastic and creepy Lex Luther...
I might be way off base here, but I think Jackie Earle Haley would pull off a fantastic and creepy Lex Luther...
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8:09AM on 10/07/2010
Smallville is over after this year so please get Tom in this movie. There is no one else to play this part.
Smallville is over after this year so please get Tom in this movie. There is no one else to play this part.
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5:52AM on 10/07/2010

Zack Snyder WOOOO!

This is great news as the man is a fucking god i dunno how the man hasnt made a bad movie yet and this is with out a doubt gonna the second biggest task of his career (1# watchmen) but with watchmen he proved h can handle the pressure and good luck to him and hopfully we get some badass villains and awe inspiring fight scenes
This is great news as the man is a fucking god i dunno how the man hasnt made a bad movie yet and this is with out a doubt gonna the second biggest task of his career (1# watchmen) but with watchmen he proved h can handle the pressure and good luck to him and hopfully we get some badass villains and awe inspiring fight scenes
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5:50AM on 10/07/2010

Really aronofsky??

What the fuck man, look tghis may be a great story for a graphic novel/comic book run but that is not a movie idea in fact as a movie it sucks because why do we need to see superman doubt about becoming him for when you've had 10 seasons of smallville for that and movies play him as supermalook i get if they wanna do him doing a spiderman 2 here but i wanna see him fighting lex luthor or any of the characters from the cannon and trying desperatley to tell louis he loves
What the fuck man, look tghis may be a great story for a graphic novel/comic book run but that is not a movie idea in fact as a movie it sucks because why do we need to see superman doubt about becoming him for when you've had 10 seasons of smallville for that and movies play him as supermalook i get if they wanna do him doing a spiderman 2 here but i wanna see him fighting lex luthor or any of the characters from the cannon and trying desperatley to tell louis he loves
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1:53AM on 10/07/2010

I REMEMBER READING THIS ONE FOCUSES MOSTLY ON KRYPTON...

so there's a good chance we could see Brainiac as well as Zod in it, not to mention Lex Luther who hopfully is just a background villian this time around. If you look at the Batman movies so far Nolan has used multible villians in each of them from Ras Al Ghul, Scarecrow, Mr. Zsasz and Falcone in the first one to Joker, Two-Face, Scarecrow and Maroni in the second.
so there's a good chance we could see Brainiac as well as Zod in it, not to mention Lex Luther who hopfully is just a background villian this time around. If you look at the Batman movies so far Nolan has used multible villians in each of them from Ras Al Ghul, Scarecrow, Mr. Zsasz and Falcone in the first one to Joker, Two-Face, Scarecrow and Maroni in the second.
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12:53AM on 10/07/2010
I hope this includes a scene where Brainiac fights Polar Bears because they are the fiercest killers in the animal kingdom.
I hope this includes a scene where Brainiac fights Polar Bears because they are the fiercest killers in the animal kingdom.
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12:50AM on 10/07/2010

No Routh???

It's too bad Brandon Routh won't be on board to play Superman again. From the moment he appeared on screen in 'Superman Returns' I instantly accepted him as the Man of Steel. Also, I think we can pretty much count out Tom Welling...he's in his 10th season of 'Smallville' and I believe (and may even have heard) he's anxiously looking to move on to play a different character. Too bad!
It's too bad Brandon Routh won't be on board to play Superman again. From the moment he appeared on screen in 'Superman Returns' I instantly accepted him as the Man of Steel. Also, I think we can pretty much count out Tom Welling...he's in his 10th season of 'Smallville' and I believe (and may even have heard) he's anxiously looking to move on to play a different character. Too bad!
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11:03PM on 10/06/2010

I've said it before...

... just skip the Origin Story.
People know who Superman is, and they know who Spiderman is. Sure reboot the franchise with different actors and directors, but just step into a world where the characters already exist and tell a story with them.

"Superman is in Metropolis, saving cats in trees and catching burglars... 5 minutes of exposition... and then along comes big trouble in the form of...."
There. An hour of useless retelling done with.
... just skip the Origin Story.
People know who Superman is, and they know who Spiderman is. Sure reboot the franchise with different actors and directors, but just step into a world where the characters already exist and tell a story with them.

"Superman is in Metropolis, saving cats in trees and catching burglars... 5 minutes of exposition... and then along comes big trouble in the form of...."
There. An hour of useless retelling done with.
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10:02PM on 10/06/2010
Is it really that hard to bring a Superman movie to the big screen?
Is it really that hard to bring a Superman movie to the big screen?
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9:25PM on 10/06/2010
This already doesn't sound too promising. I'm sure to get flamed for saying this, but if this take flops, WB should just cut their losses and not try to keep bringing Superman to the big screen.
This already doesn't sound too promising. I'm sure to get flamed for saying this, but if this take flops, WB should just cut their losses and not try to keep bringing Superman to the big screen.
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8:50PM on 10/06/2010
If that was the plot (And I hope it isnt) it would be a really shitty movie.
If that was the plot (And I hope it isnt) it would be a really shitty movie.
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8:46PM on 10/06/2010
Zack and Deborah Snyder are a great re writing team, and Christopher Nolan would never put his name on something that sucked. So as it's filming Snyder will make the script stronger and Nolan will beef it up in the editing room. Besides, JJ's Star Trek was a rush job and look how that turned out?
Zack and Deborah Snyder are a great re writing team, and Christopher Nolan would never put his name on something that sucked. So as it's filming Snyder will make the script stronger and Nolan will beef it up in the editing room. Besides, JJ's Star Trek was a rush job and look how that turned out?
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8:28PM on 10/06/2010

Cast

Mixed feelings about Snyder still. Castwise, he may seem like he's getting too old if their thinking new trilogy, but I'm still in the Jon Hamm camp for Supes, with Carla Gugino for Lois. Need a woman not a girl for Lane!
Mixed feelings about Snyder still. Castwise, he may seem like he's getting too old if their thinking new trilogy, but I'm still in the Jon Hamm camp for Supes, with Carla Gugino for Lois. Need a woman not a girl for Lane!
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8:02PM on 10/06/2010
Much like X-men first class and Spiderman, I knew superman was going to get rushed out by the studio so that they could keep the rights. As much as I trust Snyder, I get a feeling this will be a repeat of Superman returns. Fans will be equally split on liking/disliking the film, and it probably won't make as much money as the studio is hoping.
Much like X-men first class and Spiderman, I knew superman was going to get rushed out by the studio so that they could keep the rights. As much as I trust Snyder, I get a feeling this will be a repeat of Superman returns. Fans will be equally split on liking/disliking the film, and it probably won't make as much money as the studio is hoping.
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7:52PM on 10/06/2010

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I liked Routh, but it looks like he'll get shafted on this one. What about Ben Hollingsworth for Superman?
I liked Routh, but it looks like he'll get shafted on this one. What about Ben Hollingsworth for Superman?
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7:40PM on 10/06/2010
That traveling the world plot sounds terrible! Nobody would pay 10 bucks to see Clark Kent walk around trying to decide whether to fight crime or not, and writing for a paper here and there. If it were me, I'd re-cast some people sure, but I'd bring Routh back, and make it a direct sequel. The movie was open-ended, and it didn't set up anything besides his son. No Origin story please!
That traveling the world plot sounds terrible! Nobody would pay 10 bucks to see Clark Kent walk around trying to decide whether to fight crime or not, and writing for a paper here and there. If it were me, I'd re-cast some people sure, but I'd bring Routh back, and make it a direct sequel. The movie was open-ended, and it didn't set up anything besides his son. No Origin story please!
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7:21PM on 10/06/2010

Routh was fine

I'm excited about this. Hopefully they clean the script up.
I'm excited about this. Hopefully they clean the script up.
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6:44PM on 10/06/2010

I am sick and fucking tired...

of people suddenly ragging on Supes' costume. It doesn't look silly, nor does it look like pajamas. It looks like SUPERMAN. One of the most iconic images in history. To change it in the slightest is absolutely ridiculous.
of people suddenly ragging on Supes' costume. It doesn't look silly, nor does it look like pajamas. It looks like SUPERMAN. One of the most iconic images in history. To change it in the slightest is absolutely ridiculous.
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7:03PM on 10/06/2010
Thank you.
Thank you.
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5:46PM on 10/06/2010

Superman: Birthright

"Clark Kent is a journalist traveling the world trying to decide if he should, in fact, even become Superman."

YES. This is an excellent direction to take the movie in. Sounds like Mark Waid and Leinel Yu's "Superman: Birthright", which was an excellent comic. In fact, I think they should use the comic as a foundation for the movie's screenplay.
"Clark Kent is a journalist traveling the world trying to decide if he should, in fact, even become Superman."

YES. This is an excellent direction to take the movie in. Sounds like Mark Waid and Leinel Yu's "Superman: Birthright", which was an excellent comic. In fact, I think they should use the comic as a foundation for the movie's screenplay.
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4:02PM on 10/06/2010
This movie will fail miserably if we get another Superman origins film. Please.. for the love of God, can we get past this already? We all know what happens, and every movie that tries it will be, in most ways, identical.
This movie will fail miserably if we get another Superman origins film. Please.. for the love of God, can we get past this already? We all know what happens, and every movie that tries it will be, in most ways, identical.
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3:38PM on 10/06/2010
What is this Smallville? Terrible plot.
What is this Smallville? Terrible plot.
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2:53PM on 10/06/2010

I guess it makes sense

So they hired Snyder because they knew Aronofsky would take his time to make a good movie while Snyder would take whatever shit they threw at him and would have no integrity toward what he was doing or why. Sounds like a solid foundation for a movie to me...
So they hired Snyder because they knew Aronofsky would take his time to make a good movie while Snyder would take whatever shit they threw at him and would have no integrity toward what he was doing or why. Sounds like a solid foundation for a movie to me...
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2:33PM on 10/06/2010
Doesn't sound ANYTHING LIKE Smallville...
Doesn't sound ANYTHING LIKE Smallville...
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2:25PM on 10/06/2010

Routh was great! Good luck on casting!

If the classic red and blue suit is a problem then you really don't understand the character or the story. That is also what is most important: story!

He was raised on earth but his roots are from another world dawg.
If the classic red and blue suit is a problem then you really don't understand the character or the story. That is also what is most important: story!

He was raised on earth but his roots are from another world dawg.
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2:16PM on 10/06/2010
I am still confident in this even though it is getting a bit rushed. Snyder makes some entertaining movies. His Dawn of the Dead remake is one of the few horror remakes that kicked ass. With Goyer writing, Snyder directing, and Nolan over seeing the project, I am very confident this will rock.
I am still confident in this even though it is getting a bit rushed. Snyder makes some entertaining movies. His Dawn of the Dead remake is one of the few horror remakes that kicked ass. With Goyer writing, Snyder directing, and Nolan over seeing the project, I am very confident this will rock.
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3:51AM on 10/07/2010
Dude, I love your avatar.
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1:42PM on 10/06/2010
I love Snyder. Now please PLEASE cast Jon Hamm for Supes.
I love Snyder. Now please PLEASE cast Jon Hamm for Supes.
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7:35PM on 10/06/2010
Yes! Jon Hamm!
Yes! Jon Hamm!
1:27PM on 10/06/2010

the suit

a "rushed" script by David Goyer is still probably better than 90% of the shite that gets made out there. Snyder has a sick visual style and will make this whole thing pop. I love this creative team - get the casting right and it will be a big success.

As far as the suit...it is time to depart from the classic comics suit IMO. I say make it all blue (somewhere between royal and navy), no cape, bigger emblem across the chest, keeping the maroon instead of the bright red. Something like
a "rushed" script by David Goyer is still probably better than 90% of the shite that gets made out there. Snyder has a sick visual style and will make this whole thing pop. I love this creative team - get the casting right and it will be a big success.

As far as the suit...it is time to depart from the classic comics suit IMO. I say make it all blue (somewhere between royal and navy), no cape, bigger emblem across the chest, keeping the maroon instead of the bright red. Something like that. The classic Superman costume just doesn't work anymore.
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2:33PM on 10/06/2010
I remember how excited everyone was back in '05 at the release of the first pic of Routh as Superman. Sure why don't we make his costume green and black with his family logo printed inside of a lantern on his chest.

only thing wrong with the suit pictured above: the belt buckle. He's a regular guy that get's his power from being on this planet(the sun and shit).
I remember how excited everyone was back in '05 at the release of the first pic of Routh as Superman. Sure why don't we make his costume green and black with his family logo printed inside of a lantern on his chest.

only thing wrong with the suit pictured above: the belt buckle. He's a regular guy that get's his power from being on this planet(the sun and shit).
1:24PM on 10/06/2010
Superman Returns was simply and let down. Almost as if they were making it up as they went along. I think Brandon Routh was excellent for what he had to work with, but I think alot of the blame rests with the director. At the same time, Superman is extremely difficult to pull off without being corny. The "Extra Tidbit" remark at the bottom of the story is correct. There's a very big difference in making a film realistic such as "The Dark Knight" and making a Superman film. Superman just doesn't
Superman Returns was simply and let down. Almost as if they were making it up as they went along. I think Brandon Routh was excellent for what he had to work with, but I think alot of the blame rests with the director. At the same time, Superman is extremely difficult to pull off without being corny. The "Extra Tidbit" remark at the bottom of the story is correct. There's a very big difference in making a film realistic such as "The Dark Knight" and making a Superman film. Superman just doesn't translate as easily as Batman. I think Zack Snyder pulled off the ulitmate un-translatable film with "Watchmen". I have alot of faith in Zack Snyder, throw in a little bit of Christopher Nolan and hopefully Superman comes to the big screen as he always should've been...EPIC!!!
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1:19PM on 10/06/2010
aronofsky would have been a GODLY decision but o well, snyder will make it visually appealing...and hopefully he tones down the slow mo
aronofsky would have been a GODLY decision but o well, snyder will make it visually appealing...and hopefully he tones down the slow mo
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12:37PM on 10/06/2010

This looks shittier the deeper you dig.

Wow, so the WB suits picked Snyder knowing that the movie he pumps out will more than likely suck (because all he does are remakes and stuff that has already been storyboarded out for him, nothing original)? Just so they don't lose the rights.

Also, why do people keep letting Goyer near a typewriter? Hell, hire J. Michael Strazinski (Babylon 5, and the current writer for the Superman comics) to write the script, considering that's what the guy does for a living.

Honestly, it's clear
Wow, so the WB suits picked Snyder knowing that the movie he pumps out will more than likely suck (because all he does are remakes and stuff that has already been storyboarded out for him, nothing original)? Just so they don't lose the rights.

Also, why do people keep letting Goyer near a typewriter? Hell, hire J. Michael Strazinski (Babylon 5, and the current writer for the Superman comics) to write the script, considering that's what the guy does for a living.

Honestly, it's clear from all their bad decisions that WB still has no clue how to helm a successful comic book movie franchise. They lucked into Nolan, that much is certain.
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12:32PM on 10/06/2010
David Goyer's script "needs work"? There's a shock. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want a CLARK KENT movie... I want a SUPERMAN movie. Why is it so hard?
David Goyer's script "needs work"? There's a shock. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want a CLARK KENT movie... I want a SUPERMAN movie. Why is it so hard?
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12:32PM on 10/06/2010
Shame, thought Routh was good and hes been awesome on Chuck and in Scott Pilgrim..
Shame, thought Routh was good and hes been awesome on Chuck and in Scott Pilgrim..
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12:28PM on 10/06/2010
The thing I hated about that suit is they muted the wrong colors- if they darkened the blue, and kept the red bright, it would look shweet. Also, I hate how they added the micro-pattern, like Spiderman's costume- looks ass.
The thing I hated about that suit is they muted the wrong colors- if they darkened the blue, and kept the red bright, it would look shweet. Also, I hate how they added the micro-pattern, like Spiderman's costume- looks ass.
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2:30PM on 10/06/2010
the micro-pattern enables the bright "true to the books" color to not completely brighten the costume. You know, not make everything dark: from narrative or design point of view.
the micro-pattern enables the bright "true to the books" color to not completely brighten the costume. You know, not make everything dark: from narrative or design point of view.
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12:20PM on 10/06/2010

ah

sounds good
sounds good
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11:42AM on 10/06/2010
When Superman Returns released, I thought Routh was spot on as Clark Kent but not much as Superman. He did a good job though. But if he's not coming back, this casting is gonna be tougher than the new Spider-Man. I just hope to see Superman in Black suit with silver logo. Don't know if there's an actual name for that. If I'm not mistaken, that was when he came back from death after a battle with Doomsday, right?
When Superman Returns released, I thought Routh was spot on as Clark Kent but not much as Superman. He did a good job though. But if he's not coming back, this casting is gonna be tougher than the new Spider-Man. I just hope to see Superman in Black suit with silver logo. Don't know if there's an actual name for that. If I'm not mistaken, that was when he came back from death after a battle with Doomsday, right?
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11:41AM on 10/06/2010
Wow that Supes story that Aronofsky was interested in would have been total shit. Bad news they need it rushed and I cant believe Nolan will let them push out shit either. For fucks sake this whole thing sounds like a cluster fuck
Wow that Supes story that Aronofsky was interested in would have been total shit. Bad news they need it rushed and I cant believe Nolan will let them push out shit either. For fucks sake this whole thing sounds like a cluster fuck
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11:31AM on 10/06/2010
I really want this to work. I'm one of, maybe, 4 who loved Superman Returns so my tastes are going to be different. I truly hope they pull this off but I can't stand Snyders previous works and is about the last person I would have hired for this. Plus they hired him for all the wrong reasons so... whatever. At least we'll see some sort of a Superman in a few years.
I really want this to work. I'm one of, maybe, 4 who loved Superman Returns so my tastes are going to be different. I truly hope they pull this off but I can't stand Snyders previous works and is about the last person I would have hired for this. Plus they hired him for all the wrong reasons so... whatever. At least we'll see some sort of a Superman in a few years.
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11:30AM on 10/06/2010
Maybe if the suit had a bigger S and some muscle definition on the cloth then maybe it wouldn't look so plain and dull.
Maybe if the suit had a bigger S and some muscle definition on the cloth then maybe it wouldn't look so plain and dull.
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11:26AM on 10/06/2010

Plot

here is an idea for a plot. make superman an interesting character instead of one who is practically invulnerable and in turn boring as hell. in fact just stop making superman movies.
here is an idea for a plot. make superman an interesting character instead of one who is practically invulnerable and in turn boring as hell. in fact just stop making superman movies.
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