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CGI Heath Ledger will not be playing the Joker in The Dark Knight Rises

11.30.2010

Back in March of 2009, the JoBlo honchos solicited ideas for an April Fools' Day gag, and I suggested a faux report that producers were talking with James Cameron's FX people about creating a "Virtual Ledger" using ultra-realistic computer rendering and advanced personality algorithms, for bringing back the Joker in the inevitable sequel to THE DARK KNIGHT.

The gag was scrapped, but that fairly distasteful notion has nevertheless transformed into a full-blown internet rumor in the past few days. Even if it was never very likely.

Moviehole touched base with an insider at Warner Bros. about the recent rumors regarding this purported revival of Ledger's Joker via CGI and unused footage, and got a simple response: "It's just not real." Unsurprisingly, they say filmmaker Christopher Nolan has " too much respect for Heath Ledger and the late actor’s family to resurrect him." (Some of you may be saying "Yeah, obviously." But others might be thinking "Damn, would've been cool to see him again.")

Moviehole also says that back when a trilogy was initially kicked around, "the original plan was to have The Joker play a small part in the third BATMAN movie. He would’ve been in a prison, and much like Clarice Starling and Hannibal Lecter, would’ve played an unlikely aide to his arch-nemesis Batman, who’d be on a mission to to stop… Two Face."

Things obviously went differently, and now we still have no real idea of which villain Batman will face next. Given the heightened secrecy surrounding THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, unless we hear it from the studio or directly from Nolan's lips, it's safe to assume we know nothing.

(UPDATE: Nolan himself has refuted the Ledger resurrection rumors.)

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2:59AM on 01/05/2011
damn shame we lost ledger. i trust nolan to work this out.
damn shame we lost ledger. i trust nolan to work this out.
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6:49PM on 12/02/2010
Sounds like they were going to attempt a part of the Killing Joke
Sounds like they were going to attempt a part of the Killing Joke
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2:06AM on 12/02/2010
as much as i trust Nolan, i wish the riddler was the villian
as much as i trust Nolan, i wish the riddler was the villian
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2:01AM on 12/02/2010
Even though they pretty much set up the 3rd one to still include Joker and take place in Arkham Asylum, at least thats what I got from it, he is making a wise choice keeping him out. It would be nice to see some closer on his situation, but no screen time please. Finish this trilogy with a bang, not a buzzkill.
Even though they pretty much set up the 3rd one to still include Joker and take place in Arkham Asylum, at least thats what I got from it, he is making a wise choice keeping him out. It would be nice to see some closer on his situation, but no screen time please. Finish this trilogy with a bang, not a buzzkill.
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10:47PM on 12/01/2010
Never really understood how resurrecting Ledger would seem disrespectful. Ledger's performance was spectacular. If they do get someone to step in, even for a cameo (Gordon Levitt perhaps), or even use unused footage (no CGI, please), it would be more of an honor to Ledger than anything else. You're having someone else follow the footsteps, mannerisms, and facial features of the late Heath Ledger to preserve the presence of an iconic villain in a very successful, very dignified trilogy, helmed
Never really understood how resurrecting Ledger would seem disrespectful. Ledger's performance was spectacular. If they do get someone to step in, even for a cameo (Gordon Levitt perhaps), or even use unused footage (no CGI, please), it would be more of an honor to Ledger than anything else. You're having someone else follow the footsteps, mannerisms, and facial features of the late Heath Ledger to preserve the presence of an iconic villain in a very successful, very dignified trilogy, helmed by an amazing crew. How is any of this disrespectful to anyone? I'd love to see The Joker back. Gordon-Levitt could play him with the right lighting. Yes, I dare say it.
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10:26PM on 12/01/2010
I like the Joker as Hannibal Lecter thing, as a tiny cameo a la scarecrow in TDK. The only way they could really have done it is to have jokers voice speaking to batman from a dark cell. They could, however still have some contact in a letter sent to Gordon or Batman somehow from the Joker.
I like the Joker as Hannibal Lecter thing, as a tiny cameo a la scarecrow in TDK. The only way they could really have done it is to have jokers voice speaking to batman from a dark cell. They could, however still have some contact in a letter sent to Gordon or Batman somehow from the Joker.
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4:58PM on 12/01/2010
It would have been great to have the Joker in the final film... if Ledger was still with us. But he's not, and while it is sad we will never see his genius in the role again, it is the wise decision not to resurrect him. It would be also too distracting, knowing this character is a CGI revenant. Kind of disturbing too.
It would have been great to have the Joker in the final film... if Ledger was still with us. But he's not, and while it is sad we will never see his genius in the role again, it is the wise decision not to resurrect him. It would be also too distracting, knowing this character is a CGI revenant. Kind of disturbing too.
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4:31PM on 12/01/2010
He could always go visit Scarecrow.
He could always go visit Scarecrow.
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3:43PM on 12/01/2010
I love Nolan and know that there was no way in hell that he would ever approve of something this stupid and disrespectful. I like the idea Nolan had for the trilogy and a Joker Lector scenario but obviously plans changed before Ledger even died. Still, I'm sure he's got something interesting planned.

I always hoped there would be a scene where Batman goes to Arkham and walks by a cell and all you hear is Jokers laugh, thus acknowledging the Joker character is still around but also still
I love Nolan and know that there was no way in hell that he would ever approve of something this stupid and disrespectful. I like the idea Nolan had for the trilogy and a Joker Lector scenario but obviously plans changed before Ledger even died. Still, I'm sure he's got something interesting planned.

I always hoped there would be a scene where Batman goes to Arkham and walks by a cell and all you hear is Jokers laugh, thus acknowledging the Joker character is still around but also still being respectful to Ledger because you could just use one of his laughs from TDK. But if they ignore the Joker entirely, I'm cool with that.
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2:31PM on 12/01/2010

AWW DAMN!

Cause that would be SUCH a good idea o_o
Cause that would be SUCH a good idea o_o
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2:00PM on 12/01/2010

GREAT

It would be stupid fan service, corny, and the Joker has no purpose anymore.
It would be stupid fan service, corny, and the Joker has no purpose anymore.
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12:35PM on 12/01/2010

good

a CGI heath ledger would just be Hollywood spitting on his grave saying we can make a performance out of him even if he's dead. and that's pretty much insulting all actors and actresses because if that is possible, why are they even working? some things aren't necessary in CGI.
a CGI heath ledger would just be Hollywood spitting on his grave saying we can make a performance out of him even if he's dead. and that's pretty much insulting all actors and actresses because if that is possible, why are they even working? some things aren't necessary in CGI.
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11:39AM on 12/01/2010
While we're at it, let's bring back Marlon Brando to play the penguin.
While we're at it, let's bring back Marlon Brando to play the penguin.
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11:12AM on 12/01/2010

I just want to see

the Joker's mugshot, in a newspaper clipping under the headline: JOKER TERRORIST CONVICTED. If some CG/Photoshopping is needed to make a Ledger/Joker image look like a mugshot, then that's fine, but anything else would be really tricky and probably in poor taste to Ledger's legacy.
the Joker's mugshot, in a newspaper clipping under the headline: JOKER TERRORIST CONVICTED. If some CG/Photoshopping is needed to make a Ledger/Joker image look like a mugshot, then that's fine, but anything else would be really tricky and probably in poor taste to Ledger's legacy.
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9:15AM on 12/01/2010
Wait, I have two questions: (Spoilers, I guess)

1st: With what Avatar presented to us, they can't make a convincing CGI Heath Ledger? Just a thought. But I appreciate that Nolan doesn't try to put the cameo for the sake of cameo if it doesn't fit the movie.

2nd: "on a mission to stop Two Face"? So Two Face is actually the main villain?
Wait, I have two questions: (Spoilers, I guess)

1st: With what Avatar presented to us, they can't make a convincing CGI Heath Ledger? Just a thought. But I appreciate that Nolan doesn't try to put the cameo for the sake of cameo if it doesn't fit the movie.

2nd: "on a mission to stop Two Face"? So Two Face is actually the main villain?
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9:43AM on 12/01/2010
No. "Things obviously went differently, and now we still have no real idea of which villain Batman will face next."

Are you really that confused? That WAS the plan for the 3rd one. Not anymore. It's all in the article...
No. "Things obviously went differently, and now we still have no real idea of which villain Batman will face next."

Are you really that confused? That WAS the plan for the 3rd one. Not anymore. It's all in the article...
10:31AM on 12/01/2010
Thanks for clearing that up for me. Yeah, I guess I was confused because I read this article both here and Arrow in the Head. Somehow got the article mixed up I guess. But thanks anyway, man.
Thanks for clearing that up for me. Yeah, I guess I was confused because I read this article both here and Arrow in the Head. Somehow got the article mixed up I guess. But thanks anyway, man.
9:00AM on 12/01/2010
I don't understand what the big deal is with them using a CGI ledger. If They can indeed make a convinving CGI ledger just think what it can do for movies as a whole... we can see actors (long dead, old, young etc) in roles we have always wanted to but can't.
I respect nolan's view of respecting Ledger but personally I don't think it would be "Disrespecting" ledger in any way if it was re-cast or CGI'd.
I don't understand what the big deal is with them using a CGI ledger. If They can indeed make a convinving CGI ledger just think what it can do for movies as a whole... we can see actors (long dead, old, young etc) in roles we have always wanted to but can't.
I respect nolan's view of respecting Ledger but personally I don't think it would be "Disrespecting" ledger in any way if it was re-cast or CGI'd.
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10:39AM on 12/01/2010
thats such a touchy subject though, and i think Nolan just doesn't want to go down that road. It'll set a precedence of when to use real actors and when to use CGI actors. i remember there were plans to make a new Bruce Lee movie where he is completely CGI, and a bunch of people found that extremely distasteful.
thats such a touchy subject though, and i think Nolan just doesn't want to go down that road. It'll set a precedence of when to use real actors and when to use CGI actors. i remember there were plans to make a new Bruce Lee movie where he is completely CGI, and a bunch of people found that extremely distasteful.
12:57PM on 12/01/2010
It's disrespectful because they'd be using Heath's image without his approval. It'd be like someone making a CGI version of you and putting it in a herpes commercial or something without your consent. Sure Heath already played The Joker, and I'm sure if he were alive he'd play him again but he's not so they should just let it be and move on. Joker did what he was meant to do and Batman has an entire rogues gallery full of classic villains for Nolan to pick from.
It's disrespectful because they'd be using Heath's image without his approval. It'd be like someone making a CGI version of you and putting it in a herpes commercial or something without your consent. Sure Heath already played The Joker, and I'm sure if he were alive he'd play him again but he's not so they should just let it be and move on. Joker did what he was meant to do and Batman has an entire rogues gallery full of classic villains for Nolan to pick from.
10:22AM on 12/02/2010
If someone put a CGI me on a herpes commercial I would surely sue them.. BUT if someone put a CGI me in a Christopher Nolan Batman film I'd be THRILLED.
I know Heath is dead, but they could ask his family for permission. I'm not even against Them Recasting the Joker( IF HE FITS INTO THE STORY).

and Batman does indeed have a gallery full of classic Rogue villains but hardly a few of them are fit for a) Nolans Realistic Version and B)The Final Chapter of the Nolan Series( as a solo Villain).
If someone put a CGI me on a herpes commercial I would surely sue them.. BUT if someone put a CGI me in a Christopher Nolan Batman film I'd be THRILLED.
I know Heath is dead, but they could ask his family for permission. I'm not even against Them Recasting the Joker( IF HE FITS INTO THE STORY).

and Batman does indeed have a gallery full of classic Rogue villains but hardly a few of them are fit for a) Nolans Realistic Version and B)The Final Chapter of the Nolan Series( as a solo Villain).
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8:58AM on 12/01/2010
Kiteman FTW!
Kiteman FTW!
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8:12AM on 12/01/2010
I dont think Joker should be in this in any form. The whole Lecter thing would have been great, (reminds me of Calendar Man's role in Long Halloween) but not without Ledger.

Want to see some new villains! No Riddler, Catwoman or Penguin. My vote goes to Hush, (want a bit of a mystery in this one, showing off Bats' greatest detective credentials) with Talia as the love interest/possible villain.

Another idea me and chums have discussed is... Nightwing! The new Gotham DA is charged with
I dont think Joker should be in this in any form. The whole Lecter thing would have been great, (reminds me of Calendar Man's role in Long Halloween) but not without Ledger.

Want to see some new villains! No Riddler, Catwoman or Penguin. My vote goes to Hush, (want a bit of a mystery in this one, showing off Bats' greatest detective credentials) with Talia as the love interest/possible villain.

Another idea me and chums have discussed is... Nightwing! The new Gotham DA is charged with bringing Batman to justice, and hires in a masked bounty hunter to track him down who is none other than Dick Grayson/Nightwing. He could be quite cool Nolan-ised and it would put paid to the whole Robin nonsense.
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9:45AM on 12/01/2010
"Masked bounty hunter"? Really? In Nolan's universe, you really think that WOULDN'T be ridiculous??
"Masked bounty hunter"? Really? In Nolan's universe, you really think that WOULDN'T be ridiculous??
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4:23AM on 12/01/2010
I never thought this was an option? It's a terrible idea, glad they aren't doing it.
But the concept of Batman relying on Joker would have been amazing.
I never thought this was an option? It's a terrible idea, glad they aren't doing it.
But the concept of Batman relying on Joker would have been amazing.
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3:10AM on 12/01/2010

The Killing Joke

Batman visits the Joker at Arkham to consult with him. After getting the silent treatment he realizes that he's talking to an impostor; no one knows how long it's been since Joker escaped.

I always thought this was the best way they could still have the Joker (in spirit) in the 3rd movie, keeping it real with the comics, and not exploit Ledger's likeness.
Batman visits the Joker at Arkham to consult with him. After getting the silent treatment he realizes that he's talking to an impostor; no one knows how long it's been since Joker escaped.

I always thought this was the best way they could still have the Joker (in spirit) in the 3rd movie, keeping it real with the comics, and not exploit Ledger's likeness.
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7:47AM on 12/01/2010
Excellent idea
Excellent idea
2:00AM on 12/01/2010
I LOVE the Joker in a Hannibal Lecter-like role idea. They could easily hire another actor, slather makeup and keep him in the shadow for it to work.
I LOVE the Joker in a Hannibal Lecter-like role idea. They could easily hire another actor, slather makeup and keep him in the shadow for it to work.
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2:11AM on 12/01/2010
Completely agree!!
Completely agree!!
2:51AM on 12/01/2010
yea that would work!
yea that would work!
12:50PM on 12/01/2010
Or they could use Scarecrow, he's in Arkham after being captured in TDK and he is a Phychiatrist afterall who has a unique insight into the criminal mind having been a criminal himself, just like Dr. Lecter. Although I doubt this rumor of Joker playing a Hannibal Lecter type of role is even true anyway. It's probably just one of those internet rumors that gets spread around like it's fact just like this CG Joker rumor which they just admitted was BS in the article.
Or they could use Scarecrow, he's in Arkham after being captured in TDK and he is a Phychiatrist afterall who has a unique insight into the criminal mind having been a criminal himself, just like Dr. Lecter. Although I doubt this rumor of Joker playing a Hannibal Lecter type of role is even true anyway. It's probably just one of those internet rumors that gets spread around like it's fact just like this CG Joker rumor which they just admitted was BS in the article.
1:50AM on 12/01/2010
Man TDK is gonna be one hell of a movie to follow. I can't imagine another Batman being as good as TDK and Batman Begins, but in Nolan I trust.
Man TDK is gonna be one hell of a movie to follow. I can't imagine another Batman being as good as TDK and Batman Begins, but in Nolan I trust.
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1:50AM on 12/01/2010

Good for them

it would have been very tempting to bring back Heath Ledger or The Joker in some way, but I would much prefer to see Batman taking on a different villain. I would so love to see Angelina Jolie as an anti-heroic Catwoman: that would be a great combination.
it would have been very tempting to bring back Heath Ledger or The Joker in some way, but I would much prefer to see Batman taking on a different villain. I would so love to see Angelina Jolie as an anti-heroic Catwoman: that would be a great combination.
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1:48AM on 12/01/2010
Sometimes I really want the joker sometimes I dont I do wnat the Joker to be in it for a story like this and I dont because not because Legder passed away but seeing someone else try to copy and mimic him would be worse. I think if they throw joker in the movie then heres a idea make him different maybe make him campy have the opening be Joker escaping from Arkham then fall in the chemicals on the chase. Then we have a non rip off of Legder or something I would like to see something like that.
Sometimes I really want the joker sometimes I dont I do wnat the Joker to be in it for a story like this and I dont because not because Legder passed away but seeing someone else try to copy and mimic him would be worse. I think if they throw joker in the movie then heres a idea make him different maybe make him campy have the opening be Joker escaping from Arkham then fall in the chemicals on the chase. Then we have a non rip off of Legder or something I would like to see something like that. I dont know if im one of the few who think that but I think if they do joker again then have the actor who ever plays him play it in his own style insted of legders.
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1:45AM on 12/01/2010

Batman!

You cant have Heath Ledger's likeness in Batman 3..its out of pure respect and plus it would send a bad message. That being said, they need a new villian, not Villians but one..either the Ridder..Penguin..and or Catwoman. No Robin, no Batgirl..keep it interesting, but keep it simple.
You cant have Heath Ledger's likeness in Batman 3..its out of pure respect and plus it would send a bad message. That being said, they need a new villian, not Villians but one..either the Ridder..Penguin..and or Catwoman. No Robin, no Batgirl..keep it interesting, but keep it simple.
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1:01AM on 12/01/2010

I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME NEW VILLAINS THIS TIME...

It would be disrespectful to do anything involving The Joker this soon, save his return for when someone else takes the reins of the franchise and they recast Batman. As for Two-Face I think they completed his arc, if he came back now he'd become just another cliche Batman villain yelling "GET'UM BOYS" to his goons after he flipped his coin and we've already seen that version in Batman Forever, and it sucked. Leave Harvey dead as it stands as Batmans biggest failure and will haunt him forever.
It would be disrespectful to do anything involving The Joker this soon, save his return for when someone else takes the reins of the franchise and they recast Batman. As for Two-Face I think they completed his arc, if he came back now he'd become just another cliche Batman villain yelling "GET'UM BOYS" to his goons after he flipped his coin and we've already seen that version in Batman Forever, and it sucked. Leave Harvey dead as it stands as Batmans biggest failure and will haunt him forever. Batman has no shortage of great villains and Nolan has a vast wealth of Batman history to pull inspiration from.
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12:59AM on 12/01/2010

DAMN!

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Double post
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12:41AM on 12/01/2010
I want Harley Quinn... I think that would be bad ass (given the right actress)... a way to continue on with The Joker without The Joker actually being there!
I want Harley Quinn... I think that would be bad ass (given the right actress)... a way to continue on with The Joker without The Joker actually being there!
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7:48AM on 12/01/2010
Dear God, no.
Dear God, no.
2:15PM on 12/01/2010
Dear God yes... Hell, even as a cameo, it would be fine. SOMEBODY had to be inspired by Joker's mad rampage in Gotham...
Dear God yes... Hell, even as a cameo, it would be fine. SOMEBODY had to be inspired by Joker's mad rampage in Gotham...
11:58PM on 11/30/2010

Except...

They did kill off Two Face at the end of The Dark Knight so the original plan was NOT to have The Joker return this way, not unless they reshot the final scene to have Two Face dead. This isn't likely. Anyway, I remember reading on Joblo a long, long time ago that Two Face was to be the villain in the third movie but then he appeared in The Dark Knight instead. In other words, The Dark Knight was supposed to _only_ have The Joker as the villain but then they decided to have the entire story
They did kill off Two Face at the end of The Dark Knight so the original plan was NOT to have The Joker return this way, not unless they reshot the final scene to have Two Face dead. This isn't likely. Anyway, I remember reading on Joblo a long, long time ago that Two Face was to be the villain in the third movie but then he appeared in The Dark Knight instead. In other words, The Dark Knight was supposed to _only_ have The Joker as the villain but then they decided to have the entire story arc in one movie. It turned out to be the right thing to do.
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9:53AM on 12/01/2010
Huh? Just because they killed Two Face off doesn't mean that was their ORIGINAL PLAN.
Huh? Just because they killed Two Face off doesn't mean that was their ORIGINAL PLAN.
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11:50PM on 11/30/2010

This is crazy

We don't need a CGI or deleted scene Ledger in TDKR. What I would like to see is a front page newspaper clipping in Gordon's office or on the wall at MCU that has the Joker's mugshot (easily photoshopped from TDK production stills/make-up tests) and the headline : JOKER TERRORIST CONVICTED.

TDKR should end with a scene that echoes the final scene of Batman Begins. Gordon is meeting with Batman on a rooftop and gets word that the Joker has killed several guards and escaped from Arkham. Gordon
We don't need a CGI or deleted scene Ledger in TDKR. What I would like to see is a front page newspaper clipping in Gordon's office or on the wall at MCU that has the Joker's mugshot (easily photoshopped from TDK production stills/make-up tests) and the headline : JOKER TERRORIST CONVICTED.

TDKR should end with a scene that echoes the final scene of Batman Begins. Gordon is meeting with Batman on a rooftop and gets word that the Joker has killed several guards and escaped from Arkham. Gordon turns and Batman is gone. Then we see Batman leap off the roof and glide out over Gotham to chase down the Joker once again. CUT TO BLACK.
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2:17PM on 12/01/2010
Great idea... there's got to be a way to honor Heath without ruining what he already did.
Great idea... there's got to be a way to honor Heath without ruining what he already did.
11:50PM on 11/30/2010
itd be pretty cool if they had enough unused dialogue to put a scene or two together where he could speak, but film it cleverly so you never see the jokers face during the conversation... i feel like just having some semblance of him in the movie would really pull the trilogy together... and also throw some ra's al ghul reference in there to bring it full circle... i was always curious to know what the main consensus on here is about liam neeson's character in Begins... i always debate with my
itd be pretty cool if they had enough unused dialogue to put a scene or two together where he could speak, but film it cleverly so you never see the jokers face during the conversation... i feel like just having some semblance of him in the movie would really pull the trilogy together... and also throw some ra's al ghul reference in there to bring it full circle... i was always curious to know what the main consensus on here is about liam neeson's character in Begins... i always debate with my friends that neeson was only ra's al ghul after wantanabe died and he took on the mantle, just as after he died someone else took on the mantle.. making ra's al ghul "immortal"... is that how everyone else saw it?
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1:01AM on 12/01/2010
the others were decoys kinda like Queen Amadalla used in the Star Wars prequels.

"Is Ras Al Ghul immortal, are his methods supernatural?"

"Or cheap parlor tricks to conceal your true identity, Ras."

"Surely a man who spends his nights scrambling over the rooftops wouldn't begrudge me dual identities."

That exchange at Bruces party reveals it, Bruce even refers to him as Ras and Ducard acknowledges using dual identities.
the others were decoys kinda like Queen Amadalla used in the Star Wars prequels.

"Is Ras Al Ghul immortal, are his methods supernatural?"

"Or cheap parlor tricks to conceal your true identity, Ras."

"Surely a man who spends his nights scrambling over the rooftops wouldn't begrudge me dual identities."

That exchange at Bruces party reveals it, Bruce even refers to him as Ras and Ducard acknowledges using dual identities.
11:33PM on 11/30/2010
Even though it would have been interesting to see The Joker back, it is probably best that his storyline be over until another director decides to do his own vision of Batman.

As for the planned trilogy storyline, that would have been awesome to see.
Even though it would have been interesting to see The Joker back, it is probably best that his storyline be over until another director decides to do his own vision of Batman.

As for the planned trilogy storyline, that would have been awesome to see.
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11:26PM on 11/30/2010
Personally I wouldve been fine with them bringing back Joker because Heath seemed to be the type of guy who wouldve said the story must go on. It could be viewed as what they did for his last movie, finish what he started
Personally I wouldve been fine with them bringing back Joker because Heath seemed to be the type of guy who wouldve said the story must go on. It could be viewed as what they did for his last movie, finish what he started
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