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07.03.2008

I know that this site is on the point of tipping from being a movie site to a purely Batman fansite, but I also know you guys literally salivate at the mouth to hear shit about the subject, so HERE is acclaimed comic book writer Jeph Loeb explaining how Robin is a viable character in the Batman canon (he even links to our own Sturdy's C'mon Hollywood piece that seems to have set off some of the scuttlebutt).

Do I agree? Sure. But only because at this point I'd literally trust Chris Nolan to liaise with an intergalactic army intent on vaporising Earth. If tomorrow's news was that Nolan thought the best direction for the Batman franchise would be to introduce a new character called Paris-Hilton-man who terrorized Gotham with his diseased womb, I'd be down with it. That guy can do no wrong in my book.
Extra Tidbit: I vote Chris Nolan for President.
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1:29PM on 07/07/2008

Dick Grayson Tie-In would be okay with me

im all for Dick Grayson being in these movies. Maybe not as Robin but hell yeah bring in the parallel character. The only thing is, Bale is a little too young of a Batman to have Grayson around. Not to mention he hasnt dealt with enough villians to really have lost his mind. What you gotta understand s that Grayson is the character who sorta brings an insane Bruce Wayne back to his sences. It would be cool to have Wayne sorta lose sight of why he became batman in the first place and sorta
im all for Dick Grayson being in these movies. Maybe not as Robin but hell yeah bring in the parallel character. The only thing is, Bale is a little too young of a Batman to have Grayson around. Not to mention he hasnt dealt with enough villians to really have lost his mind. What you gotta understand s that Grayson is the character who sorta brings an insane Bruce Wayne back to his sences. It would be cool to have Wayne sorta lose sight of why he became batman in the first place and sorta hell bent on flat out revenge rather than cleaning up evil. enter the grayson circus plotline and you could have a very dramatic story. I dont get why everybody has it out for robin though. the man behind the mask is just as interesting as Bruce Wayne
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3:26PM on 07/04/2008

Well...

There is no point in defending Robin, because he is one of the worst comic book characters...EVER!!!
There is no point in defending Robin, because he is one of the worst comic book characters...EVER!!!
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2:51PM on 07/04/2008
Yes, I dare to say it: Nolan is the best director in Hollywood.And I support Bale and Nolan 100%: NO ROBIN!!!
Yes, I dare to say it: Nolan is the best director in Hollywood.And I support Bale and Nolan 100%: NO ROBIN!!!
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1:35PM on 07/04/2008

Dick Grayson

is a character who faces tragedy and overcomes, like Bruce Wayne. Miller is writing an interesting take on it in the comics right now, All-Star Batman & Robin, The Boy Wonder. If Nolan sticks to his instincts and keeps Robin out, it's the right call, b/c Batman needs to be older before he mentors a protege. my 2 cents anyway...
is a character who faces tragedy and overcomes, like Bruce Wayne. Miller is writing an interesting take on it in the comics right now, All-Star Batman & Robin, The Boy Wonder. If Nolan sticks to his instincts and keeps Robin out, it's the right call, b/c Batman needs to be older before he mentors a protege. my 2 cents anyway...
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10:52AM on 07/04/2008
I trust Nolan to the end but the Gotham city he envisions seems to brutal and far too dark to include boy wonder. Also it would be a bad idea to raise the ante with his sadistic take on the joker only to follow that up with a storey of a poor orphan who learns to fight. If your going to give Batman help give him Catwoman. She can simultanously survive in his Gotham and save her from the claws of Halle Berry. That way Nolan can be accredited with saving two franchises. Also Bob Hoskins for
I trust Nolan to the end but the Gotham city he envisions seems to brutal and far too dark to include boy wonder. Also it would be a bad idea to raise the ante with his sadistic take on the joker only to follow that up with a storey of a poor orphan who learns to fight. If your going to give Batman help give him Catwoman. She can simultanously survive in his Gotham and save her from the claws of Halle Berry. That way Nolan can be accredited with saving two franchises. Also Bob Hoskins for Penguin is that still on the table?
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10:29AM on 07/04/2008
Okay, father-son relationship. No Robin. Street kid meets Forbes 500. I can see that one working. Forget the hero angle, "Batman Begins" wasn't cool because Batman was cool, but because people liked the Bruce Wayne character. Make us like Dick Grayson, and then problem solved.
Okay, father-son relationship. No Robin. Street kid meets Forbes 500. I can see that one working. Forget the hero angle, "Batman Begins" wasn't cool because Batman was cool, but because people liked the Bruce Wayne character. Make us like Dick Grayson, and then problem solved.
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8:09AM on 07/04/2008

batman 3 TWO SIDES TO EVER COIN

YOU KNOW WHAT ROBIN CAN DO HE CAN SHINE HIS SHOES ON THE WAY TO SAVE GOTHAM AND JUST AFTER HE LEAVES. BATMAN CHRISTIAN BALE OF COURSE SPITS ON HIM. ROBIN TAKES IT ON THE FACE, AND SAYS THANKS. now thats what i Wanna see in batman 3 TWO SIDES TO EVER COIN
YOU KNOW WHAT ROBIN CAN DO HE CAN SHINE HIS SHOES ON THE WAY TO SAVE GOTHAM AND JUST AFTER HE LEAVES. BATMAN CHRISTIAN BALE OF COURSE SPITS ON HIM. ROBIN TAKES IT ON THE FACE, AND SAYS THANKS. now thats what i Wanna see in batman 3 TWO SIDES TO EVER COIN
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6:16AM on 07/04/2008
There's hope for Robin.

Now if only Christian Bale would stop being such a diva (no romantic comedies, no [link], maybe they'd be able to throw Robin in at some point anyway.
There's hope for Robin.

Now if only Christian Bale would stop being such a diva (no romantic comedies, no [link], maybe they'd be able to throw Robin in at some point anyway.
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5:43AM on 07/04/2008
I think Dick Grayson as Nightwing would work better because of the way his suit looks. It looks darker and more fitting into Nolan's universe. Maybe in the fourth one have it take place 3 or 4 years afterthe third one and Nightwing is already established. So flahsbacks of how he got there (started off as Robin, then decided to be his own hero) That might work. Jason Todd would work also but only if they used the Death in the Family storylin, which has Joker rigging a warehouse with explosives
I think Dick Grayson as Nightwing would work better because of the way his suit looks. It looks darker and more fitting into Nolan's universe. Maybe in the fourth one have it take place 3 or 4 years afterthe third one and Nightwing is already established. So flahsbacks of how he got there (started off as Robin, then decided to be his own hero) That might work. Jason Todd would work also but only if they used the Death in the Family storylin, which has Joker rigging a warehouse with explosives and murdering him in cold blood. Of course, we'd need a recast. but maybe after the third one and they start thinking about a 4-6 it will be okay to recast him.
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4:16AM on 07/04/2008

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I agree with on the Bane part. It would actually be cool to have the Knightfall story in Nolan's Batman-verse, but I think that having that as a thrid movie would really be too soon.

I think I remember a story on here saying that Nolan himself wouldn't direct any more Batman features after 3. but he would possibly continue on as Exec. Prod., which would be great.
I agree with on the Bane part. It would actually be cool to have the Knightfall story in Nolan's Batman-verse, but I think that having that as a thrid movie would really be too soon.

I think I remember a story on here saying that Nolan himself wouldn't direct any more Batman features after 3. but he would possibly continue on as Exec. Prod., which would be great.
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11:18PM on 07/03/2008
I would love to see the Robin character in the franchise, but only if it's Jason Todd, and gets killed in the same sadistic way as in the comic, maybe not at the hands of the joker, but there are plenty of Villians. Give Batman reasons for payback!!!
I would love to see the Robin character in the franchise, but only if it's Jason Todd, and gets killed in the same sadistic way as in the comic, maybe not at the hands of the joker, but there are plenty of Villians. Give Batman reasons for payback!!!
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11:05PM on 07/03/2008

Don't care

Loeb is a raving maniac, nothing he says or writes should count... at all
Loeb is a raving maniac, nothing he says or writes should count... at all
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9:46PM on 07/03/2008
I've got nothing against Robin, and if anyone could make him work in a movie it would be Nolan. I just don't think it would be right to introduce him in the third movie because bruce wayne seems too young. Granted I haven't seen dark knight yet, but I feel there is much more to explore with batman by himself before getting into robin. If they were doing 4 movies I'd say introduce him in part four, but I'm pretty sure they'll stop at 3.
I've got nothing against Robin, and if anyone could make him work in a movie it would be Nolan. I just don't think it would be right to introduce him in the third movie because bruce wayne seems too young. Granted I haven't seen dark knight yet, but I feel there is much more to explore with batman by himself before getting into robin. If they were doing 4 movies I'd say introduce him in part four, but I'm pretty sure they'll stop at 3.
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9:40PM on 07/03/2008
Actually I'm quite agree with Loeb's article. Surprisingly I never think of Batman and Robin's relationship like he mentioned in the article. From what he said, it could work in the movie but I still doubt if there's a place for Robin in Nolan's Batman saga. But I still want to see Bane in Nolan's Batman.
Actually I'm quite agree with Loeb's article. Surprisingly I never think of Batman and Robin's relationship like he mentioned in the article. From what he said, it could work in the movie but I still doubt if there's a place for Robin in Nolan's Batman saga. But I still want to see Bane in Nolan's Batman.
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8:44PM on 07/03/2008
i thought you were referencing Lisa Loeb.. and was looking forward to a picture of her, cuz she is super hot!
i thought you were referencing Lisa Loeb.. and was looking forward to a picture of her, cuz she is super hot!
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8:30PM on 07/03/2008
I wouldn't follow Chris Nolan into any of the places you guys said. I love his Batman movies but he's fairly new and I didn't think Insomnia was anything great while I did like Memento. I think the Dark Knight will be amazing but I will start following him into hell after The Third Batman movie kicks ass much ass as The Dark Knight.
I wouldn't follow Chris Nolan into any of the places you guys said. I love his Batman movies but he's fairly new and I didn't think Insomnia was anything great while I did like Memento. I think the Dark Knight will be amazing but I will start following him into hell after The Third Batman movie kicks ass much ass as The Dark Knight.
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8:09PM on 07/03/2008

LOL!

I taught it was Lisa Loeb defending Robin
I taught it was Lisa Loeb defending Robin
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7:26PM on 07/03/2008

Well...

You have to appreciate that Robin is as essential to the mythology of Batman as anything else, or any other character. However, I really don't think that he fits in Nolan and Goyer's vision of Batman. I think that an introduction of Dick Grayson would be appropriate in a later film... I can really only imagine this team doing three films. Maybe at the end of the third film, there could be a BATMAN BEGINS-style reference to The Haly Circus coming to Gotham. Robin is important, but that's a whole
You have to appreciate that Robin is as essential to the mythology of Batman as anything else, or any other character. However, I really don't think that he fits in Nolan and Goyer's vision of Batman. I think that an introduction of Dick Grayson would be appropriate in a later film... I can really only imagine this team doing three films. Maybe at the end of the third film, there could be a BATMAN BEGINS-style reference to The Haly Circus coming to Gotham. Robin is important, but that's a whole new origin film.
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7:24PM on 07/03/2008
can we just get through Dark Knight. I love Batman and anything related to it but lets face it...this is a few years away
can we just get through Dark Knight. I love Batman and anything related to it but lets face it...this is a few years away
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7:11PM on 07/03/2008
I personally wouldn't mind seeing a darker version of Robin. Maybe they could throw in The Hangman from Dark Victory story at some point.
I personally wouldn't mind seeing a darker version of Robin. Maybe they could throw in The Hangman from Dark Victory story at some point.
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7:03PM on 07/03/2008

Loeb has a point, but

Although I respect Loeb's awesome work and his opinion, I just don't see the need or even possibility of Robin entering Nolan/Bale's Batman. And that's probably the safest, wisest choice they could make. Why fix it if it ain't broke?
Although I respect Loeb's awesome work and his opinion, I just don't see the need or even possibility of Robin entering Nolan/Bale's Batman. And that's probably the safest, wisest choice they could make. Why fix it if it ain't broke?
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6:49PM on 07/03/2008
Like I have said before just make a robin movie. Both sides win.
Like I have said before just make a robin movie. Both sides win.
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6:46PM on 07/03/2008

Hell no

Bale is always right. Robin doesn't fit in this world even though he may fit in batman (barely) comic's world, it wouldn't make sense in these movies!!!
Bale is always right. Robin doesn't fit in this world even though he may fit in batman (barely) comic's world, it wouldn't make sense in these movies!!!
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6:35PM on 07/03/2008

I agree

loeb's right! and ive always agreed with him. if bale walks out because of Robin then i thatll be a real dick-move in my opinion (no pun intended). especially since he said that Dark Victory was his favorite!
loeb's right! and ive always agreed with him. if bale walks out because of Robin then i thatll be a real dick-move in my opinion (no pun intended). especially since he said that Dark Victory was his favorite!
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6:26PM on 07/03/2008
I'd follow Nolan into Disaster Movie
I'd follow Nolan into Disaster Movie
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6:15PM on 07/03/2008
Loeb is right. But I think people don't want the Batman series to feature a side-kick in the long-run.
Loeb is right. But I think people don't want the Batman series to feature a side-kick in the long-run.
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6:12PM on 07/03/2008
Robin was my favorite DC character when I was a kid. As much as I love him, I can't imagine him in this franchise. But like you said, James, if Chris Nolan thought of a way, I know I wouldn't be disappointed.
Robin was my favorite DC character when I was a kid. As much as I love him, I can't imagine him in this franchise. But like you said, James, if Chris Nolan thought of a way, I know I wouldn't be disappointed.
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6:08PM on 07/03/2008
Id follow Chris Nolan, until he made something shitty.
Id follow Chris Nolan, until he made something shitty.
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5:57PM on 07/03/2008
I'd follow Chris Nolan into a vat of bile
I'd follow Chris Nolan into a vat of bile
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5:51PM on 07/03/2008
I'd follow Chris Nolan into the pits of darkest hell.
I'd follow Chris Nolan into the pits of darkest hell.
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