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Mark Wahlberg jumps on the blame bandwagon in defense of The Lone Ranger

Aug. 7, 2013by: Alex Maidy

Everyone seems to be coming to the defense of THE LONE RANGER but for reasons outside of the quality of the movie itself. First, critics lambasted the film in advance of abysmal box office results. Then, Jerry Bruckheimer, Johnny Depp, Armie Hammer, and more came to the film's defense saying that it was the media's fault for dooming the film financially. Whether you believe it or not, both parties are right. THE LONE RANGER was not very good, but the bad press also was a major factor in the horrible grosses to date.

Now, someone completely unrelated to THE LONE RANGER production, Mark Wahlberg, has decided to chime in with his take on the fiasco that has been this Summer at the box office. Speaking to The LA Times, Wahlberg supported Johnny Depp's claim that the media focused on the production and budget of the film rather than the movie itself. But, Wahlberg also blamed the studios for dooming their blockbuster films:

They are spending so much money to pull the wool over the audiences eyes with these effects-driven movies. Its not like JURASSIC PARK, where you saw something groundbreaking and innovative and said Holy I gotta see that. Every end-of-the-Earth movie kind of feels the same.

I have to say I agree with Marky Mark wholeheartedly. But, isn't he the same guy who is currently filming the fourth movie in a franchise about giant robots smashing the shit out big cities? Isn't that the same thing?

"TRANSFORMERS is a different thing. What Michael's been able to do is elevate the material and take the human element to a whole other place. Having the father-daughter relationship [that Wahlbergs character figures into] is so much more interesting."

"Michael Bay isn't going to be in a situation where a movie is $100 million over budget. I've never seen anyone that can manage the entire thing so single-handedly and seamlessly,

While I don't agree with his idea that TRANSFORMERS is different than these other movies because it may be the worst culprit of that type of movie-making, the root of the problem is with the studio franchise method of spewing out the same movies over and over again. Until that changes, we will continue to see bombs like THE LONE RANGER again and again.

At least Wahlberg mixes it up. 2 GUNS is now playing and he is filming TRANSFORMERS 4 with LONE SURVIVOR opening in a few months. He also plans to do a small drama before jumping into production on TED 2 next year.

Source: LA Times

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8:38AM on 08/09/2013
I agree with Mark here. He's right. There aren't many groundbreaking movies that you need to rush to see in the theatre, i.e. Jurassic Park, The Lord of the Rings or even Avatar.
I agree with Mark here. He's right. There aren't many groundbreaking movies that you need to rush to see in the theatre, i.e. Jurassic Park, The Lord of the Rings or even Avatar.
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1:38PM on 08/08/2013
Wow, seemingly "the Lone Ranger" is a future contender for the column "the best movies youve never seen". ;-))
Wow, seemingly "the Lone Ranger" is a future contender for the column "the best movies youve never seen". ;-))
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8:53AM on 08/08/2013
If they wanted to make a movie about the Lone Ranger then they should have made a movie about the Lone Ranger and not a movie about Johnny Depp dressed up as Tonto. Because that was how the movie was promoted here in Taiwan.
If they wanted to make a movie about the Lone Ranger then they should have made a movie about the Lone Ranger and not a movie about Johnny Depp dressed up as Tonto. Because that was how the movie was promoted here in Taiwan.
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6:15AM on 08/08/2013

The critics and bad press are to blame for The Lone Ranger's failure? Sure, tell that to Grown Ups 2.

Outside of certain circles on the internet nobody had any idea of the film's troubled pre-production and high costs. As for the Transformers comment, I know that what I'm looking forward to the most in the next film is for all the robot nonsense to get out of the way quickly so we can get to the heartfelt human drama that only Michael Bay can provide. The man has a way of capturing the human soul with the camera, it's almost poetic.
Outside of certain circles on the internet nobody had any idea of the film's troubled pre-production and high costs. As for the Transformers comment, I know that what I'm looking forward to the most in the next film is for all the robot nonsense to get out of the way quickly so we can get to the heartfelt human drama that only Michael Bay can provide. The man has a way of capturing the human soul with the camera, it's almost poetic.
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10:36PM on 08/07/2013
Michael Bay elevating the material to a whole other place. Hooray.
Michael Bay elevating the material to a whole other place. Hooray.
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9:04PM on 08/07/2013
Should've made a Lone Ranger children''s cartoon, video game, comic book, etc. before throwing a 200M summer flick at an unfamiliar audience. The quality of the flick would probably still be sub par but at least it'd have a chance of creating excitement.
Should've made a Lone Ranger children''s cartoon, video game, comic book, etc. before throwing a 200M summer flick at an unfamiliar audience. The quality of the flick would probably still be sub par but at least it'd have a chance of creating excitement.
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8:59PM on 08/07/2013
First off, who cares about what anybody thinks of The Lone Ranger's poor performance. Second, fuck that movie. Third, it was made by Disney, I'm sure they have a lot more money coming in from other ventures they have going on, so this won't hurt anything but a chance for a sequel and a very rich few.
First off, who cares about what anybody thinks of The Lone Ranger's poor performance. Second, fuck that movie. Third, it was made by Disney, I'm sure they have a lot more money coming in from other ventures they have going on, so this won't hurt anything but a chance for a sequel and a very rich few.
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8:54PM on 08/07/2013
You can't blame the critics for a movie failing. If that were the case then films like Paranormal Activity, The Smurfs, Transformers, and Grown Ups would all be box office flops.
You can't blame the critics for a movie failing. If that were the case then films like Paranormal Activity, The Smurfs, Transformers, and Grown Ups would all be box office flops.
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9:26PM on 08/07/2013
Just FYI, Paranormal Activity received positive reviews.
Just FYI, Paranormal Activity received positive reviews.
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8:14PM on 08/07/2013

Believe Me

Bruckheimer and Depp don't need anyone's sympathy. Maybe making shitty movies that make money isn't always gonna work.
Bruckheimer and Depp don't need anyone's sympathy. Maybe making shitty movies that make money isn't always gonna work.
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7:10PM on 08/07/2013
Thats why I'm glad kickstarter exists. Let the fans decide what they want to see instead of some studio executive pulling ideas out of a blender. I think in 10 years crap like the long ranger won't be allowed to waste this much money. It's really simple, it flopped because it was awful, it was pirates of the caribbean as a western!
Thats why I'm glad kickstarter exists. Let the fans decide what they want to see instead of some studio executive pulling ideas out of a blender. I think in 10 years crap like the long ranger won't be allowed to waste this much money. It's really simple, it flopped because it was awful, it was pirates of the caribbean as a western!
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6:54PM on 08/07/2013
He's right. There's not a lot of groundbreaking effects movies anymore. And I didn't know he's doing Ted 2... that's cool news.
He's right. There's not a lot of groundbreaking effects movies anymore. And I didn't know he's doing Ted 2... that's cool news.
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6:46PM on 08/07/2013

I remember the lone ranger

but the trailer lost me when i saw him racing a horse through a train carrage , i can suspend belief but only when its part of the world the film is trying to create for example indiana jones vs the truckful of nazis stunt works even tho its clearly not realistic it feels part of the world in which those characters inhabit.
but the trailer lost me when i saw him racing a horse through a train carrage , i can suspend belief but only when its part of the world the film is trying to create for example indiana jones vs the truckful of nazis stunt works even tho its clearly not realistic it feels part of the world in which those characters inhabit.
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6:10PM on 08/07/2013

Mark,

please quit Transformers and leave Michael Bay. You're too good for that junk.
please quit Transformers and leave Michael Bay. You're too good for that junk.
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6:09PM on 08/07/2013

Yep... Michael Bay sure is exempt from suckage

I like how he mentions TF4 will follow "the father/child" angle. Uh huh. That's gonna make it a quality movie.
As for the Lone Ranger... win some lose some, I say. This looked like a loss from the start, but they still pushed forward. Who's really to blame? I don't know. But it's not the critics.
Hollywood's gotta stop spending away their problems while making movies. How about reining things in and being smart with money instead?
I like how he mentions TF4 will follow "the father/child" angle. Uh huh. That's gonna make it a quality movie.
As for the Lone Ranger... win some lose some, I say. This looked like a loss from the start, but they still pushed forward. Who's really to blame? I don't know. But it's not the critics.
Hollywood's gotta stop spending away their problems while making movies. How about reining things in and being smart with money instead?
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5:04PM on 08/07/2013
I judge a movie by the trailer, not by what a critic says. If the trailer generates enough interest for me I see it, if not then I wait for DVD.
This trailer felt more like 'Wild Wild West" rather than "Tombstone" or even "Silverado"
I judge a movie by the trailer, not by what a critic says. If the trailer generates enough interest for me I see it, if not then I wait for DVD.
This trailer felt more like 'Wild Wild West" rather than "Tombstone" or even "Silverado"
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4:58PM on 08/07/2013
In defense of his claim regarding Transformers, while he might be overly generous as to the importance of the family relationship, Bay has had overwhelming success with that franchise. He might be wrong about what sets it apart, but he's probably right that it will do a lot better than most of the big disaster blockbusters that are coming along.
In defense of his claim regarding Transformers, while he might be overly generous as to the importance of the family relationship, Bay has had overwhelming success with that franchise. He might be wrong about what sets it apart, but he's probably right that it will do a lot better than most of the big disaster blockbusters that are coming along.
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4:56PM on 08/07/2013
The worst part is, he's right. Not about the Transformers stuff, but these movies are horrifically too expensive. The Lone Ranger had a budget even bigger than the final cost, and it still cost an hundred of millions of arms and legs.
The worst part is, he's right. Not about the Transformers stuff, but these movies are horrifically too expensive. The Lone Ranger had a budget even bigger than the final cost, and it still cost an hundred of millions of arms and legs.
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4:48PM on 08/07/2013
I agree with his comment that movies throw in effects like it's the end of the world and that is part of the downfall. I still prefer practical effects with CGI to mix with. If you need a full CGI, say robot or monster, than sure. Lone Ranger looked to heavy in special effects and much like World War Z, I lost interest because of that. You can still be a blockbuster and not be so heavy on CGI. Some movies need it, some movies can use practical and mix CGI. Lone Ranger falls under the latter.
I agree with his comment that movies throw in effects like it's the end of the world and that is part of the downfall. I still prefer practical effects with CGI to mix with. If you need a full CGI, say robot or monster, than sure. Lone Ranger looked to heavy in special effects and much like World War Z, I lost interest because of that. You can still be a blockbuster and not be so heavy on CGI. Some movies need it, some movies can use practical and mix CGI. Lone Ranger falls under the latter. They have no one to blame but themselves.
I have no problem admitting I love the Transformers movies, but they need a bit less in terms of CGI as well. You don't need to make them 80's boxes in design, but less parts works too. Simplify the designs. Robots don't need 6 eyes or 4 arms or heavy facial detail. Less can be more. Pacific Rim made the inside of the head, real hydraulics, real set, real motion, all to give not only the actors the feel as if they are the heads piloting these massive machines, but the audience as well.
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4:46PM on 08/07/2013
Unlike the 1930's, people in 2013 aren't familiar with Lone Ranger. Disney should have taken that into consideration, before dropping $250 mil on an irrelevant character. I'm no studio boss, but if Disney greenlit the thing anyway, they could have had a chance with a better script, kept the budget under $100 mil, and kept the running time under 2 hours.
Unlike the 1930's, people in 2013 aren't familiar with Lone Ranger. Disney should have taken that into consideration, before dropping $250 mil on an irrelevant character. I'm no studio boss, but if Disney greenlit the thing anyway, they could have had a chance with a better script, kept the budget under $100 mil, and kept the running time under 2 hours.
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4:45PM on 08/07/2013
Look, if the movie sucks it SUCKS. It has nothing to do critics bashing the production phase of that movie's budget or whatever.
Take the Marky Mark classic Three Kings where there were reports of an actual corpse/carcass that was shot up and a d!ckish David O. Rusell getting into a fist fight with George Clooney.
Despite the behind the scenes drama the movie made mega-stars of its lead actors. How do you explain that?
Look, if the movie sucks it SUCKS. It has nothing to do critics bashing the production phase of that movie's budget or whatever.
Take the Marky Mark classic Three Kings where there were reports of an actual corpse/carcass that was shot up and a d!ckish David O. Rusell getting into a fist fight with George Clooney.
Despite the behind the scenes drama the movie made mega-stars of its lead actors. How do you explain that?
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4:37PM on 08/07/2013

Looks like someone wants to work with Depp...

Sorry, Mark but you're wrong about Transformers...the human element is EXACTLY what the movies DON'T need and why they aren't that interesting. People want to see a movie about Transformers, not about crazy human sidekicks that freak out as things go boom around them.
Sorry, Mark but you're wrong about Transformers...the human element is EXACTLY what the movies DON'T need and why they aren't that interesting. People want to see a movie about Transformers, not about crazy human sidekicks that freak out as things go boom around them.
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4:33PM on 08/07/2013
I liked the Lone Ranger, it was a fun movie.
I'm not a slave to the media and critics, I watch what I want to watch. For example, this site hated "The Watch", I thought it was really funny.
I liked the Lone Ranger, it was a fun movie.
I'm not a slave to the media and critics, I watch what I want to watch. For example, this site hated "The Watch", I thought it was really funny.
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3:56PM on 08/07/2013
Because The Happening was Oscar worthy, right?
Because The Happening was Oscar worthy, right?
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3:43PM on 08/07/2013

whoa there kimosabe

I'm 38 and remember watching the show so you young pricks below can get the hell off my lawn...and then proceed to go fuck yourselves.
I'm 38 and remember watching the show so you young pricks below can get the hell off my lawn...and then proceed to go fuck yourselves.
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3:58PM on 08/07/2013
Remember everyone, old people have feelings too. ;)
Remember everyone, old people have feelings too. ;)
3:36PM on 08/07/2013

on the other hand

Can you blame Studios to do sequels, adaptations, reboots and so on, when 'original material' bomb at the B.O. so often ?
It's a business, deal with it...
Average people are dumb (look at what they go seeing in theatres), deal with it as well...
Can you blame Studios to do sequels, adaptations, reboots and so on, when 'original material' bomb at the B.O. so often ?
It's a business, deal with it...
Average people are dumb (look at what they go seeing in theatres), deal with it as well...
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4:39PM on 08/07/2013
Well put!
Well put!
3:33PM on 08/07/2013
I wonder which Hollywood celebrity is going to chime in on Wahlberg's disasterpieces?
I wonder which Hollywood celebrity is going to chime in on Wahlberg's disasterpieces?
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3:20PM on 08/07/2013
Michael Bay makes big budget successful movies because he gives a certain audience what they want. I figure one of the Lone Ranger's problems was that even if there was an audience for that character, they just misjudged the story the audience wanted to see. If the movie was making most audiences happy it wouldn't have mattered what the critics said. Simple as.
Michael Bay makes big budget successful movies because he gives a certain audience what they want. I figure one of the Lone Ranger's problems was that even if there was an audience for that character, they just misjudged the story the audience wanted to see. If the movie was making most audiences happy it wouldn't have mattered what the critics said. Simple as.
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3:16PM on 08/07/2013

Biggest problem was that nobody gives a fuck about the Lone Ranger.

Westerns are great. Probably my favorite kind of movie. The thing with Westerns is that they aren't the biggest of box office draws, even the biggest ones like Django Unchained, True Grit, and friggen Dances with Wolves couldn't break 200 mill domestically. What made them think The Lone Ranger would? Johnny Depp is a great box office draw, and still is, but outside of him what was the draw to this? The only people who remember the Lone Ranger are sickly old people - who don't go out of the
Westerns are great. Probably my favorite kind of movie. The thing with Westerns is that they aren't the biggest of box office draws, even the biggest ones like Django Unchained, True Grit, and friggen Dances with Wolves couldn't break 200 mill domestically. What made them think The Lone Ranger would? Johnny Depp is a great box office draw, and still is, but outside of him what was the draw to this? The only people who remember the Lone Ranger are sickly old people - who don't go out of the house, let alone to the movies.

And then people seem to dodge around the fact that the film was mostly just ok. It had a great last 20 minutes, BUUUUUUT there was over 2 hours of fucking movie before it. And Westerns tend to excel at long run times, but this was just boooooooring, and blah blah blah fuck it.
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9:29PM on 08/07/2013
Dances with Wolves sold as many tickets as a film grossing over 200mil would today.
Dances with Wolves sold as many tickets as a film grossing over 200mil would today.
3:06PM on 08/07/2013
I think the problem with the Lone Ranger is it doesn't have a ton of appeal. first of all it is based upon an old radio show and television show from way back in the last century set in a time almost a century before that. Secondly the values and story line are hard for today's audience to connect with. Thirdly it was re-written as a Summer Blockbuster with action and effects and all that, when The Lone Ranger is more of a western morality play. So there are conceptually things that are off
I think the problem with the Lone Ranger is it doesn't have a ton of appeal. first of all it is based upon an old radio show and television show from way back in the last century set in a time almost a century before that. Secondly the values and story line are hard for today's audience to connect with. Thirdly it was re-written as a Summer Blockbuster with action and effects and all that, when The Lone Ranger is more of a western morality play. So there are conceptually things that are off putting. To lure in viewers you need to generate buzz, find what the appeal is and sell it. The Studio and the film makers were unable to get that hype up. Nobody seemed all that excited and overjoyed by the work while it was going on. On top of all the blunders behind the scenes, the already pre-disposed critics crowd had ready their tablet of complaints when they sat down and just checked them off one by one when the film started. They can blame the media, but I guess they didn't make a good movie or even one with appeal. This is only a guess, (I wasn't going to shell out any money to see it.)
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3:03PM on 08/07/2013

In this post he didn't.

Maybe it is in the article you cited, but the quotes you presented have nothing at all to do with Wahlberg supporting Depp's position. In fact this:

"They are spending so much money to pull the wool over the audiences eyes with these effects-driven movies"

Is nearly the exact opposite of supporting the Lone Ranger's Operation DEFLECT BLAME campaign. However, Wahlberg's asserting that Michael Bay's films rise above the blockbuster crowd in terms of depth and quality is complete bullshit.
Maybe it is in the article you cited, but the quotes you presented have nothing at all to do with Wahlberg supporting Depp's position. In fact this:

"They are spending so much money to pull the wool over the audiences eyes with these effects-driven movies"

Is nearly the exact opposite of supporting the Lone Ranger's Operation DEFLECT BLAME campaign. However, Wahlberg's asserting that Michael Bay's films rise above the blockbuster crowd in terms of depth and quality is complete bullshit. He knows it. He just got a boatload of money to do it, as Depp did Lone Ranger. Wahlberg is never afraid to chime in on things that he doesn't fully grasp. Like the time he said he would have stopped 9/11 if he were aboard any of the planes that crashed into the Trade Center.
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2:53PM on 08/07/2013
The Transformer films have a human element to them???
The Transformer films have a human element to them???
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3:02PM on 08/07/2013
And if they do... does anyone care?! I mean, it´s a freakyin´ Michael Bay movie with Robots...
And if they do... does anyone care?! I mean, it´s a freakyin´ Michael Bay movie with Robots...
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