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Chronicle screenwriter Max Landis voices why he thinks Man of Steel gets Superman wrong

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Max Landis is a nerd. He loves comic books and superheroes and knows about the characters as well as anybody. He is also a screenwriter who has written in the genre (the excellent CHRONICLE) and knows how Hollywood works as well as anybody. His father, John Landis, raised him in the industry. While is opinion is just that, an opinion, he gives a very well thought out answer regarding why he thinks MAN OF STEEL is not a good Superman movie. He equally weighs both his nerd credibility as well as his Hollywood acumen in one of the most spot-on perspectives I have seen in a long time.

I did enjoy MAN OF STEEL when I saw it, but the further I get away from viewing it, the more the backlash against the film begins to make sense. While I am able to enjoy MAN OF STEEL for what it was, I can understand the fans who disagree with the final act of the film and what it does to the character's new origin and the future of the series.

This ten minute video contains massive spoilers and NSFW language regarding MAN OF STEEL, but if you have seen the movie, you really should watch this. The parallels between MAN OF STEEL AND TRANSFORMERS did occur to me when I saw the movie, but Landis explains it better than I ever could.

Here is my favorite excerpt from the video:

"I guess what I'm saying isn't so much an opinion on the Man of Steel. It's more about the way superhero movies have become... at the end of all of these movies, all I'm seeing is fire and death. And that confuses the living shit out of me, because everybody's going to these movies and they're all making so much money. And at the end, a hero stands tall as all of society crumbles behind him. That isn't a superhero to me, a guy who stands there when everyone else is dead. That's like a rock star. I don't want to see movies about rock stars. Put the hero back in the super hero movies, because I think 'super' might have taken over."

As a movie, I enjoyed MAN OF STEEL. As a superhero movie, it does feel very similar to THE AVENGERS. But, as my colleague Paul Shirey said so eloquently in his latest C'Mon Hollywood, the destruction is getting a bit much.

Extra Tidbit: Do you agree or disagree with Max Landis?
Source: Cinema Blend

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3:18PM on 06/28/2013
Let's face it. This blowhard wouldn't know a good CBM if it bit him in the vagina.
Let's face it. This blowhard wouldn't know a good CBM if it bit him in the vagina.
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10:08PM on 06/26/2013
This guy reminds me of every douche bag I've ever over heard at any bar or party in in the greater Los Angeles area...
I'm not saying he doesn't have some valid points, but his delivery and over all vibe makes me want to punch him in the face...
This guy reminds me of every douche bag I've ever over heard at any bar or party in in the greater Los Angeles area...
I'm not saying he doesn't have some valid points, but his delivery and over all vibe makes me want to punch him in the face...
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6:30PM on 06/26/2013
So everybody shits on the guy because he can get his point across clearly and he "talks good"? You can't deny the guy is making sense. Granted, yes, he does come off as very self-confident and, for lack of a better word, "douchey", but how about getting past the style and listen to the substance? I bet if he shared his opinions in writing, nobody would have a problem.
So everybody shits on the guy because he can get his point across clearly and he "talks good"? You can't deny the guy is making sense. Granted, yes, he does come off as very self-confident and, for lack of a better word, "douchey", but how about getting past the style and listen to the substance? I bet if he shared his opinions in writing, nobody would have a problem.
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6:53PM on 06/26/2013
Didn't mean to post this twice.
Didn't mean to post this twice.
6:23PM on 06/26/2013
So everybody shits on the guy because he can get his point across clearly and he "talks good"? You can't deny the guy is making sense. Granted, yes, he does come off as very self-confident and, for lack of a better word, "douchey", but how about getting past the style and listen to the substance? I bet if he shared his opinions in writing, nobody would have a problem.
So everybody shits on the guy because he can get his point across clearly and he "talks good"? You can't deny the guy is making sense. Granted, yes, he does come off as very self-confident and, for lack of a better word, "douchey", but how about getting past the style and listen to the substance? I bet if he shared his opinions in writing, nobody would have a problem.
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5:20PM on 06/26/2013
Nepotism at work here, ladies and gent's...
Nepotism at work here, ladies and gent's...
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3:09PM on 06/26/2013

Just a few things..

for people mad at all the destruction of Metropolis...it's nothing new, and this Max Landis thinks he knows everything about superman/super heroes...well here you go...

In animated shows
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In video games @2:29 mark
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Unfortunately I don't have any pictures of comics, but also in comics. Collateral damage, destruction...it comes with the superhero business. People complaining about it are stupid. It is there, and it has always been there.



for people mad at all the destruction of Metropolis...it's nothing new, and this Max Landis thinks he knows everything about superman/super heroes...well here you go...

In animated shows
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In video games @2:29 mark
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Unfortunately I don't have any pictures of comics, but also in comics. Collateral damage, destruction...it comes with the superhero business. People complaining about it are stupid. It is there, and it has always been there.



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4:13PM on 06/26/2013
Here's something from the comics. An entire storyline devoted to the destruction of Metropolis: [link]
Here's something from the comics. An entire storyline devoted to the destruction of Metropolis: [link]
11:48AM on 06/26/2013

Well said...

Whether you agree or not with the guy, he does present and expand well on his point, which is more than I can say for most people on either side of the argument.
Whether you agree or not with the guy, he does present and expand well on his point, which is more than I can say for most people on either side of the argument.
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11:35AM on 06/26/2013
What a self-serving douche! What makes him the forward most thinking person on Superman? Because he read a lot of comics? Fuck off buddy! His assessment of Man of Steel is no more prolific than the average person who posts in these talkbacks. But he's right, because in his opinion the movie he wrote is better than every other superhero movie? Give me a break!
What a self-serving douche! What makes him the forward most thinking person on Superman? Because he read a lot of comics? Fuck off buddy! His assessment of Man of Steel is no more prolific than the average person who posts in these talkbacks. But he's right, because in his opinion the movie he wrote is better than every other superhero movie? Give me a break!
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6:30PM on 06/26/2013
Umm, yes, the fact that he has read a lot of comics and has invested a great deal of his time in studying the character and his mythology does make him an expert on Superman. That's how people become experts in things.
Umm, yes, the fact that he has read a lot of comics and has invested a great deal of his time in studying the character and his mythology does make him an expert on Superman. That's how people become experts in things.
11:28AM on 06/26/2013
What a self-serving douche! What makes him the forward most thinking person on Superman? Because he read a lot of comics? Fuck off buddy! His assessment of Man of Steel is no more prolific than the average person who posts in these talkbacks. But he's right, because in his opinion the movie he wrote is better than every other superhero movie? Give me a break!
What a self-serving douche! What makes him the forward most thinking person on Superman? Because he read a lot of comics? Fuck off buddy! His assessment of Man of Steel is no more prolific than the average person who posts in these talkbacks. But he's right, because in his opinion the movie he wrote is better than every other superhero movie? Give me a break!
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8:09AM on 06/26/2013
The way this film ended with Zod was hilarious. Most entertaining thing in the movie. That scream was soooo soap opera-ish that the cheesiness of it all put a huge smile on my face.
The way this film ended with Zod was hilarious. Most entertaining thing in the movie. That scream was soooo soap opera-ish that the cheesiness of it all put a huge smile on my face.
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1:21AM on 06/26/2013
I agree with most of his statements about Superman, but Spider-Man is a narcissistic bully and Reed Richards is an egomaniac? I mean I could see him making those criticisms of Tony Stark or Henry Pym, but shoot has this guy read many Marvel comics? Granted I haven't read much lately but from the 60's - 90's Spidey had an inferiority complex if anything and Reed was always an idealist, almost to a fault. I think Mr. Landis entered sweeping generalization territory mid-way through this video and
I agree with most of his statements about Superman, but Spider-Man is a narcissistic bully and Reed Richards is an egomaniac? I mean I could see him making those criticisms of Tony Stark or Henry Pym, but shoot has this guy read many Marvel comics? Granted I haven't read much lately but from the 60's - 90's Spidey had an inferiority complex if anything and Reed was always an idealist, almost to a fault. I think Mr. Landis entered sweeping generalization territory mid-way through this video and never left.
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9:39PM on 06/25/2013
Also, I wonder if Max Brooks habitually beats the shit out of Max Landis in a my-daddy's-better contest. You just know that Brooks always gets the good tables at the restaurant, doesn't hafta look for his pickup at the airport, never runs out of milk or bread and always drops his CD's data side-up. Landis stubs his toe every night in the dark when he CLEARLY gave the legs of the coffee table the wide proximity they commanded. Then someone farts while he's eating.
Also, I wonder if Max Brooks habitually beats the shit out of Max Landis in a my-daddy's-better contest. You just know that Brooks always gets the good tables at the restaurant, doesn't hafta look for his pickup at the airport, never runs out of milk or bread and always drops his CD's data side-up. Landis stubs his toe every night in the dark when he CLEARLY gave the legs of the coffee table the wide proximity they commanded. Then someone farts while he's eating.
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12:03PM on 06/25/2013
Not going to view the video because I'm not interested in watching some douchenozzle pompously ramble on for 10 minutes, however I will say this for ANYONE who has a problem with the way Man of Steel ended: It's nice that you want to assign the attribute of "no killing" to Superman, however was there a scene in the movie where Clark specifically takes this vow? I don't think there was. Whether or not to kill an opponent is probably not something he had to contemplate before Zod came along.
Not going to view the video because I'm not interested in watching some douchenozzle pompously ramble on for 10 minutes, however I will say this for ANYONE who has a problem with the way Man of Steel ended: It's nice that you want to assign the attribute of "no killing" to Superman, however was there a scene in the movie where Clark specifically takes this vow? I don't think there was. Whether or not to kill an opponent is probably not something he had to contemplate before Zod came along. Thus it is arguable that Superman has not yet learned what his feelings are on capital punishment. When he offs Zod, the primal scream he lets out is indicative of what he now knows. It's a scream of "OMG that sucked!"

Getting back to the filmmaking aspect of it, there is a very simple thing they can do in the sequel to justify what happened. All they have to do is have Clark say something to the effect of, "After what happened with Zod, I vowed never to kill again." Boom, problem solved.
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1:20PM on 06/25/2013
I agree.
I agree.
11:23AM on 06/26/2013
Whole heartedly agree with you. I laughed at how people assigned random rules and truths to Superman's canon that "should have been part of the film" But even in the comics Superman has been forced to kill his opponents, Superboy Prime everyone! And even the final battle, more destruction was caused by Zod's machines (which Superman tried like hell to stop) than Superman punching out Zod all over the city. And as for the millions of people who died as a result of that fight? When was there
Whole heartedly agree with you. I laughed at how people assigned random rules and truths to Superman's canon that "should have been part of the film" But even in the comics Superman has been forced to kill his opponents, Superboy Prime everyone! And even the final battle, more destruction was caused by Zod's machines (which Superman tried like hell to stop) than Superman punching out Zod all over the city. And as for the millions of people who died as a result of that fight? When was there a scene of everyone getting killed? If we can randomly assign plot points without it being in the movie, than how do we know people weren't evacuated out of Metropolis when the machines started up?


The issues brought up with MoS can definitely be resolved with a sequel, but I don't necessarily think this movie needs a sequel to justify what people think are wrong with this movie. As it stands the movie is excellent.
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11:53AM on 06/25/2013
I can understand this guy's points and he does a great job explaining his opinion on Super heroes. Yes, he does seem a bit of a douche but he also seem to know his comic books. I respect that he is passionate about his opinion however, I don't agree with anything he said. I have no problems at all with all the destruction because I understand that Snyder, Nolan and Goyer are going for a more realistic approach. Guess what, if there really was a Super man and he was really fighting
I can understand this guy's points and he does a great job explaining his opinion on Super heroes. Yes, he does seem a bit of a douche but he also seem to know his comic books. I respect that he is passionate about his opinion however, I don't agree with anything he said. I have no problems at all with all the destruction because I understand that Snyder, Nolan and Goyer are going for a more realistic approach. Guess what, if there really was a Super man and he was really fighting Zod.....people are gonna die and buildings are gonna get fucked up. That is just common sense. I know Supes is suppose to be this pure soul boy scout but what does that have anything to do with destruction and casualties. His focus was on saving the planet from annihilation.

As for his actions at the end of the movie, it made perfect sense to me. He had to kill Zod.
It was either kill Zod or Human extinction. The black hole opened up and already sucked the other Kryptonians in. Zod was not where near there. He doesn't have a phantom zone to send Zod to and there is no prison on Earth to hold the guy. The killing of Zod will stay with Supes forever. He will know how it is to kill and he will know now that he does not ever want to resort to that again. It gives us a reason why he chooses not to kill, instead of "He's a good guy so he doesn't kill people" Come on! That is bullshit.
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11:51AM on 06/25/2013
Shut up and go make a Michael Jackson video with your dad
Shut up and go make a Michael Jackson video with your dad
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11:36AM on 06/25/2013

who cares?

it's the first movie in this series and you can argue superman hasn't learned how to save everyone yet. part of his struggle is figuring out what to do. it took 3/4 of the movie for him to finally decide, fuck krypton, i was raised here and these are the people i'll fight for. zod was incredibly powerful. how does superman fight him, survive, and save everyone? he fought and killed zod to save the planet. so in theory, metropolis gets destroyed and many people die. he saved the planet.
it's the first movie in this series and you can argue superman hasn't learned how to save everyone yet. part of his struggle is figuring out what to do. it took 3/4 of the movie for him to finally decide, fuck krypton, i was raised here and these are the people i'll fight for. zod was incredibly powerful. how does superman fight him, survive, and save everyone? he fought and killed zod to save the planet. so in theory, metropolis gets destroyed and many people die. he saved the planet. billions of people. shut the fuck up people ripping on the destruction.
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10:36PM on 06/25/2013
exactly people whined how Superman Returns was no action and now we get massive action and devastation and people bitch and moan that its too much.
exactly people whined how Superman Returns was no action and now we get massive action and devastation and people bitch and moan that its too much.
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11:13AM on 06/25/2013
Who is Max Landis? Oh, yeah. He's the non talented kid who wrote a mediocre movie and is somehow the most important person when it comes to Superman? I know there's a "fuck Man of Steel" band wagon that is rolling its way through the internet but while it was far from perfect, it was a good, emotional and realistic Superman. Snyder at least tried to mix it up and do something new with it. All I hear people complain about is how Superman caused all the destruction in the city. Yeah, he crashed
Who is Max Landis? Oh, yeah. He's the non talented kid who wrote a mediocre movie and is somehow the most important person when it comes to Superman? I know there's a "fuck Man of Steel" band wagon that is rolling its way through the internet but while it was far from perfect, it was a good, emotional and realistic Superman. Snyder at least tried to mix it up and do something new with it. All I hear people complain about is how Superman caused all the destruction in the city. Yeah, he crashed through a couple empty buildings but other than that, it was Zod who was blowing shit up.
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3:04PM on 06/26/2013
Excellent points!
Excellent points!
11:04AM on 06/25/2013

let me count the ways

1. this was Superman's first outing as Superman. He would have NO idea what he should and shouldnt do in a fight of this magnitude.plus, a character that always makes the right choice is boring as piss. if you truly prefer character driven plots over plot driven ones, you have to have the character actually make mistakes.
2. that fucking World Engine had been pounding away forever by the time Supes got back to Metropolis. Anyone still in those buildings had it coming.
3. you think Superman
1. this was Superman's first outing as Superman. He would have NO idea what he should and shouldnt do in a fight of this magnitude.plus, a character that always makes the right choice is boring as piss. if you truly prefer character driven plots over plot driven ones, you have to have the character actually make mistakes.
2. that fucking World Engine had been pounding away forever by the time Supes got back to Metropolis. Anyone still in those buildings had it coming.
3. you think Superman can just say "lets take this elsewhere" and Zod would say "Sahara desert. Noon." Fuck no.
4. Chronicle, having stolen so much from Akira, where hundreds died at the end, doesnt qualify this guy to preach to me.
5. read a comic. ive seen Superman hit someone so hard, the shockwave has leveled buildings.
6. PS his dad did die. right in front of him.
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10:56AM on 06/25/2013
Wow. How pompous can you get? I seem to remember quite a lot of destruction in Superman II. I haven't seen the theatrical version in quite sometime, because after seeing the Richard Donner cut, I'll never go back to it, but I do know that the catastrophic events Zod causes in Superman II surely resulted in a fair amount of deaths (even though they may not come right out and show it). Superman may have a code of ethics, but it doesn't mean his enemies do. It's not like Superman himself just said
Wow. How pompous can you get? I seem to remember quite a lot of destruction in Superman II. I haven't seen the theatrical version in quite sometime, because after seeing the Richard Donner cut, I'll never go back to it, but I do know that the catastrophic events Zod causes in Superman II surely resulted in a fair amount of deaths (even though they may not come right out and show it). Superman may have a code of ethics, but it doesn't mean his enemies do. It's not like Superman himself just said "aw, fuck it" and started going ape shit on Zod without regard for human lives.
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10:17AM on 06/25/2013

Landis Family Chronicle (hehe):

BEFORE Max Landis was born: Kentucky Fried Movie, Animal House, The Blues Brothers, Trading Places, Twilight Zone, Thriller, Spies Like Us (among others)
AFTER Max Landis is born: Disneyland 35th Anniversary Special, Oscar, The Stupids, Blues Brothers 2000 (among others)

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BEFORE Max Landis was born: Kentucky Fried Movie, Animal House, The Blues Brothers, Trading Places, Twilight Zone, Thriller, Spies Like Us (among others)
AFTER Max Landis is born: Disneyland 35th Anniversary Special, Oscar, The Stupids, Blues Brothers 2000 (among others)

Something's wrong here...
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7:45AM on 06/25/2013

Douche Level = Max Landis

Everyone's entitled to his or her own opinion, so I'm not mad at Max for his opinions, however fanboyish and whiny they may be. But the way he carries himself makes me feel sorry for the asshats to have to stand behind the camera and listen to this guy deliver his "wisdom". He's just so f*cking douchey. And the way he dismisses other superheroes - including the likes of Batman - with such petty reasoning makes him seem like one of those idiots who argues over which is better; PS3 or XBox 360. I
Everyone's entitled to his or her own opinion, so I'm not mad at Max for his opinions, however fanboyish and whiny they may be. But the way he carries himself makes me feel sorry for the asshats to have to stand behind the camera and listen to this guy deliver his "wisdom". He's just so f*cking douchey. And the way he dismisses other superheroes - including the likes of Batman - with such petty reasoning makes him seem like one of those idiots who argues over which is better; PS3 or XBox 360. I just can't take someone who defends a superhero seriously when he's verbally annihilating other superheroes, in a shitty YouTube video that just repeats and reitterates what all petty fanboys have been complaining about over the last two weeks. There's nothing new here.

Man Of Steel is far, far from perfect. And even I thought one too many people may have died. But there's so much good in this film as well. It's probably the best Superman we're going to get. And I'm okay with that. I know this is cliche, but sometimes you have to watch a comicbook movie as a comicbook movie to love it. The logic of wanting "more more more" is why The Dark Knight Rises gained so much criticism. It was a fantastic movie, people just wanted something so extraordinary that even Nolan couldn't "deliver".
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9:51AM on 06/25/2013
Good comment.
Good comment.
7:17AM on 06/25/2013
The ending destruction of Man of Steel didn't bother me. Sure it was stupidity on a Michael Bay level, but you can ignore logic and have fun with it. One thing Landis says that I completely agree with is that character should drive story, and story should not drive story. This is only part of where MoS loses me. The film is about its own exposition, which tries too hard to overtly explain Superman. Nolan makes heavy handed exposition work because Nolan still allows his characters to drive the
The ending destruction of Man of Steel didn't bother me. Sure it was stupidity on a Michael Bay level, but you can ignore logic and have fun with it. One thing Landis says that I completely agree with is that character should drive story, and story should not drive story. This is only part of where MoS loses me. The film is about its own exposition, which tries too hard to overtly explain Superman. Nolan makes heavy handed exposition work because Nolan still allows his characters to drive the story. Bruce Wayne chooses to be Batman, that's his journey in the film. In MoS, Clark Kent doesn't make any choices. He only becomes Superman because he had to fight Zod. It was either save your mom & home, or be an asshole and let the world die. There was no real choice. The film pushes him into the role too quickly and without any real thought. As a CGI spectacle of fireworks, MoS is good. As a movie & a story, it fails.
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7:07AM on 06/25/2013

Eat my Ass

I'm tired of fucking idiots over analyzing these superhero films. It wasn't Forest Gump. It wasn't Shawshank Redemption. It wasn't Platoon. It wasn't....it wasn't.....it wasnt...ect. Superman kills. Get the fuck on with your life. In fact go make your own Man of Steel film then have a smile and shut the fuck up. Anyone who rants about a superhero film like this expecting it to hail golden globes needs a kick in the teeth. People die in superhero films, it happens. If people did not die
I'm tired of fucking idiots over analyzing these superhero films. It wasn't Forest Gump. It wasn't Shawshank Redemption. It wasn't Platoon. It wasn't....it wasn't.....it wasnt...ect. Superman kills. Get the fuck on with your life. In fact go make your own Man of Steel film then have a smile and shut the fuck up. Anyone who rants about a superhero film like this expecting it to hail golden globes needs a kick in the teeth. People die in superhero films, it happens. If people did not die and every single person was saved then I wouldn't want to see that movie. People die......so what.
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3:44AM on 06/25/2013
What an asshole.

ps. I haven't even watched the video yet
What an asshole.

ps. I haven't even watched the video yet
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2:23AM on 06/25/2013
He actually makes some great points about not just Man Of Steel but other superhero movies as well. It just didn't make sense how people criticize MOS about all the destruction & mayhem when The Avengers did the same thing & no one bitched about it.

Superman is indeed the ultimate of all superheroes, because he is actually that & yes he wants to fight for the good not because he has to but because he chooses to. He is an alien & he cannot be defeated no matter what, he really has no
He actually makes some great points about not just Man Of Steel but other superhero movies as well. It just didn't make sense how people criticize MOS about all the destruction & mayhem when The Avengers did the same thing & no one bitched about it.

Superman is indeed the ultimate of all superheroes, because he is actually that & yes he wants to fight for the good not because he has to but because he chooses to. He is an alien & he cannot be defeated no matter what, he really has no weakeness. The only other time Superman has been explained just as well as in this video was in Kill Bill Vol. 2, yes it was Bill saying it, but it was Tarantino who wrote the dialogue & i love that scene more than any other part of the movie.
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9:02AM on 06/25/2013
that bill speech was crap because clark kent is not like that in the comics. hes not a bumbling fool, hes a pulitzxer prize winning journalist and novelist. paraphrasing "Clark Kent is who I am, Superman is what i can do"
Bill has it backwards. Its Batman and Bruce Wayne that the disguise is the man in the suit and tie and the man in the cape is his true self
that bill speech was crap because clark kent is not like that in the comics. hes not a bumbling fool, hes a pulitzxer prize winning journalist and novelist. paraphrasing "Clark Kent is who I am, Superman is what i can do"
Bill has it backwards. Its Batman and Bruce Wayne that the disguise is the man in the suit and tie and the man in the cape is his true self
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12:13AM on 06/25/2013

wow

Triple douche
Triple douche
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10:16PM on 06/24/2013
The destruction in the movie is about on par with ANY of the major superman battles in his comics in the last 20+ years so pull your heads out of your ass fanboys.
The destruction in the movie is about on par with ANY of the major superman battles in his comics in the last 20+ years so pull your heads out of your ass fanboys.
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8:08AM on 06/25/2013
Seems to me that it is the fanboys blindly defending this movie like a Twilight fangirl.
Seems to me that it is the fanboys blindly defending this movie like a Twilight fangirl.
3:10PM on 06/26/2013
No, I think it's been nothing but fanboys crapping all over this movie.
No, I think it's been nothing but fanboys crapping all over this movie.
10:02PM on 06/24/2013
Look, I liked Chronicle, but I think this guy is really, really douchey. This is no way to endear yourself to the public. I liked Man of Steel because it felt like it pushed the franchise forward. Superman Returns' main flaw was that it was too slavish to what went before to really advance the character - I think Man of Steel did so.
Look, I liked Chronicle, but I think this guy is really, really douchey. This is no way to endear yourself to the public. I liked Man of Steel because it felt like it pushed the franchise forward. Superman Returns' main flaw was that it was too slavish to what went before to really advance the character - I think Man of Steel did so.
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9:55PM on 06/24/2013

Frustrating

I have my flaws with 'Man Of Steel', but it's frustrating and disheartening for me to see this recent splash of people not quite getting certain aspects of this version-

A) Superman is taught, in this movie, that sometimes letting someone die is the right choice sometimes. Thus, at the end, his doing that actually makes a ton of sense. Argue if you think this should be a lesson he should be taught at all sure, but the movie does come full circle pay this lesson off, and within their story
I have my flaws with 'Man Of Steel', but it's frustrating and disheartening for me to see this recent splash of people not quite getting certain aspects of this version-

A) Superman is taught, in this movie, that sometimes letting someone die is the right choice sometimes. Thus, at the end, his doing that actually makes a ton of sense. Argue if you think this should be a lesson he should be taught at all sure, but the movie does come full circle pay this lesson off, and within their story and how it's set up, that makes sense.

B) In this movie Clark is woefully ignorant of his own powers (ie- flying, how much strength he actually has, etc.) for about half of the film. Therefore, the fight scenes (not saying they were well shot or anything) with their crazy destruction, wherein two virtually godlike beings pummel each other, make sense.

C) I like Max Landis, but he comes off as a real know-it-all asshole here.
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9:53PM on 06/24/2013
I think Landis has eloquently said what most of us who truly love the character, but were sorely disappointed with the direction Man of Steel took, have been thinking.
I think Landis has eloquently said what most of us who truly love the character, but were sorely disappointed with the direction Man of Steel took, have been thinking.
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9:27PM on 06/24/2013

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Just to express how much his smarmy doucheness washed over me like a grotesque wave. Clearly, he is the smartest person in the world. And John Cusack should be fucking Superman? Please never put this man on this site again. Love me some JoBlo.com though!
Just to express how much his smarmy doucheness washed over me like a grotesque wave. Clearly, he is the smartest person in the world. And John Cusack should be fucking Superman? Please never put this man on this site again. Love me some JoBlo.com though!
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11:21AM on 06/25/2013
yes thank you. 'smarmy' is the word. thats exactly what he is
yes thank you. 'smarmy' is the word. thats exactly what he is
8:28PM on 06/24/2013

Hmmm....

I'm with some of the others on this. I understand where Landis is coming from and I worry about how they might want to up the destruction ante for the sequels. Then again, the story works in that this is a Superman who had to grow very quickly into his powers, since he neither knew the extent of them nor had he ever actually been in a situation where he was not physically invincible. I could go on... but this rant is long enough as it is.
I'm with some of the others on this. I understand where Landis is coming from and I worry about how they might want to up the destruction ante for the sequels. Then again, the story works in that this is a Superman who had to grow very quickly into his powers, since he neither knew the extent of them nor had he ever actually been in a situation where he was not physically invincible. I could go on... but this rant is long enough as it is.
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8:22PM on 06/24/2013

Let me see if I can follow this logic of adults and children...

So Vic Morrow is Superman, My-Ca Dinh Le and Renee Shin-Yi Chen are the human race and Zod is... John Landis?
So Vic Morrow is Superman, My-Ca Dinh Le and Renee Shin-Yi Chen are the human race and Zod is... John Landis?
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8:07PM on 06/24/2013

May as well post it here

I wasted about 15 minutes writing this in response to Guy's post down below and figured I'll post it up here. It's a bit long and goes off topic but I'd like to hear what you guys have to say about it.

Just wanted to say thank you for pointing out the thing that I felt was the biggest flaw of Man of Steel. It is simply a poorly shot film, which is incredibly surprising due to the fact that it was Snyder behind the camera, a man who usually has an incredible visual sense and can frame and
I wasted about 15 minutes writing this in response to Guy's post down below and figured I'll post it up here. It's a bit long and goes off topic but I'd like to hear what you guys have to say about it.

Just wanted to say thank you for pointing out the thing that I felt was the biggest flaw of Man of Steel. It is simply a poorly shot film, which is incredibly surprising due to the fact that it was Snyder behind the camera, a man who usually has an incredible visual sense and can frame and shoot a scene like few others can. I don't know what happened here but he lost any and all skills that he had. The action sequences were incomprehensible.

Poor lighting, poor editing, and zero weight to any of the destruction. Visual noise is the perfect way to describe it. It's my main problem with filmmakers that use cgi as a crutch instead of as a tool. What a lot of filmmakers these days don't realize is that when everything on screen is cgi, none of it registers as being a real threat. I don't know if it's the same for everyone, perhaps the younger generation is more accustomed to this sort of thing, but my mind immediately zones out if everything onscreen is cgi. If I see a cgi superman punch a cgi Zod in the middle of a cgi Metropolis, absolutely none of it matters to me. I vaguely remember Superman punching Zod into space but I genuinely don't remember the rest of what you described. It's just one giant cgi blur. All the scenes with Clark as a kid are much more powerful and allow us to relate to the character better because they feel more real. Young Clark crushing that steel pole while trying to control his anger, or running out of the classroom in tears as he x-ray's right through his classmates are very powerful scenes. I can't say the same for any of the battles in the second half of the film.

It reminds me of when I first saw the end of POTC: At World's End. Two cgi ships, in a cgi cyclone, full of cgi characters battling other cgi creatures. I've seen At World's End twice and I still don't really know or remember anything that happens in that final battle. Compare that to the end of the first Pirates film and I remember everything perfectly. Why? Verbinski used cgi as a tool in the first Pirates. Everything was shot in camera except for the stuff that absolutely couldn't be done without cgi, such as the skeleton pirates. For At World's End, the budget increased to $300 million and suddenly everything became cgi.

It's my main complaint with Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull as well. That movie had many problems including the script and some of the performances, but my biggest grievance was easily that the movie just LOOKS like shit. I consider Douglas Slocombe's work on the original trilogy to be the absolute finest work of cinematography in history, rivaled only by Gordon Willis' work on The Godfather series and Tonino Delli Colli's work with Sergio Leone. Yes, there are more influential cinematographers and films, such as Citizen Kane, but the original trilogy is just one of those series where I look at it and go "Wow" at just how beautiful the film looks. Every frame of those films is so well lit and all the colors just pop in a way that's difficult to describe. I can give a blow by blow of every action sequence in the Indiana Jones trilogy because it is lit, edited, and just shot phenomenally well. With Crystal Skull, you get that horrible green tint that was undoubtedly used to hide the poor cgi, unfortunately for Spielberg, the poor lighting and horrible tint even made things that were shot practically look like cgi. Seriously, watch the behind the scenes stuff. You'll be sitting there going "Wait, that was a real prop? But it looked so fake." Then you have the scene where Indy is caught in the quicksand and it's shot so poorly that you can practically see the back wall of the set in what was supposed to be a wide forest. Just atrocious. I know Slacombe has since gone blind but I can only imagine how disgusted he would have been by how poorly shot Crystal Skull was.

Anyway, back to Man of Steel. I actually did like the film. Every scene with young Clark, Russell Crowe, and especially Kevin Costner was absolutely fantastic. I didn't think Amy Adams brought anything to her role and Michael Shannon and Laurence Fishbourne were wasted with what were rather small roles if you think about it. And minus the lapses in logic (Why the hell did Zod ask Lois Lane to come aboard his ship at the end when he clearly never had any intention of speaking with her or even using her as leverage? Oh right, it's because David Goyer is an awful writer and needed a cheap plot excuse for Lois to gain information she wouldn't otherwise have so that she can help Supes find a way to defeat Zod. Also, why is no one talking about the whole codex is in Superman's cells bit. I guess I'm the only one that found that to be silly and idiotic. Let's not get into that though), I did feel the set up is there to make a great second film. This isn't exactly Green Lantern levels of horridness.

Anyway, just wanted to get that out there. I refer to it as CGI blur but visual noise is a great way to describe an issue that I feel is becoming much more prevalent these days. I really wish we could solve these issues of too much CGI, poor lighting, and poor editing but it seems to have become a mainstay in big budget films. I apologize for rambling so much.
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7:33PM on 06/24/2013
Comic fanboys are almost as psychotic as gamers, although usually its the same crowd. They are happiest when bitching about how much something sucks. Movie buffs aren't too far behind!
Comic fanboys are almost as psychotic as gamers, although usually its the same crowd. They are happiest when bitching about how much something sucks. Movie buffs aren't too far behind!
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6:54PM on 06/24/2013

Interesting but

He went on for five minutes then completely contradicted himself in one sentence around minute six.
His logic, while interesting, is far form airtight. What makes this Superman different from past versions of the character, is his lack of conflict between Krypton & Earth. He chooses humanity.
He went on for five minutes then completely contradicted himself in one sentence around minute six.
His logic, while interesting, is far form airtight. What makes this Superman different from past versions of the character, is his lack of conflict between Krypton & Earth. He chooses humanity.
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6:37PM on 06/24/2013

Oh well.

Did this guy even read the ending that he wrote in Chronicle? If I remember correctly, his superhero movie didn't end on a happy note without fire and death....
Did this guy even read the ending that he wrote in Chronicle? If I remember correctly, his superhero movie didn't end on a happy note without fire and death....
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8:22PM on 06/24/2013
he addresses this. he states he didn't feel it was a superhero movie when he wrote it. and then he says he sees how it is a superhero movie and that it isn't a rampage on par with other movies that he is criticizing. While it is a bit hypocritical if he feels it wasn't a superhero movie when he wrote then it isn't much so.
he addresses this. he states he didn't feel it was a superhero movie when he wrote it. and then he says he sees how it is a superhero movie and that it isn't a rampage on par with other movies that he is criticizing. While it is a bit hypocritical if he feels it wasn't a superhero movie when he wrote then it isn't much so.
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6:37PM on 06/24/2013

50/50 for me

I think Landis makes some coherent and satisfying remarks about Superman, while only coming off half as pompous / douchey as I thought he would.

I enjoyed Man of Steel. Mark Waid's graphic novel Birthright was the story I had hoped they were going to use for a reference when they first started developing MoS and, while certainly not using the entire book, borrowed a solid amount of it from the novel. Was it perfect? Absolutely not. Was it fun? Definitely. I would welcome a sequel and just
I think Landis makes some coherent and satisfying remarks about Superman, while only coming off half as pompous / douchey as I thought he would.

I enjoyed Man of Steel. Mark Waid's graphic novel Birthright was the story I had hoped they were going to use for a reference when they first started developing MoS and, while certainly not using the entire book, borrowed a solid amount of it from the novel. Was it perfect? Absolutely not. Was it fun? Definitely. I would welcome a sequel and just hope that the story is a bit better in terms of showing the audience the actual character of Superman and not showing us a guy dressed like Superman.
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6:20PM on 06/24/2013

i noticed that too

There were several scenes in The Avengers of the heroes helping save citizens and keeping the threat contained. There wasn't so much of that in "Man of Steel". I enjoyed the movie wholeheartedly but i do agree that it focused a little too much on the action and not enough of what kind of hero Superman is. Yes there is the no-killing thing, but there are a ton of other aspects they didnt even touch upon
There were several scenes in The Avengers of the heroes helping save citizens and keeping the threat contained. There wasn't so much of that in "Man of Steel". I enjoyed the movie wholeheartedly but i do agree that it focused a little too much on the action and not enough of what kind of hero Superman is. Yes there is the no-killing thing, but there are a ton of other aspects they didnt even touch upon
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6:06PM on 06/24/2013

It's an origin story.

Everything that happened was fine. This is the very beginning of superman, superman before he becomes superman. He's not full strength yet, Jor El states,"The only way to know your full potential is to keep testing yourself.", or something like that. So he's not the powerful amazing perfect super hero yet. The destruction and death of this film is gonna be what makes him stronger and makes him be able to always take the right road. Its an origin story of a kryptonian with mankinds heart and
Everything that happened was fine. This is the very beginning of superman, superman before he becomes superman. He's not full strength yet, Jor El states,"The only way to know your full potential is to keep testing yourself.", or something like that. So he's not the powerful amazing perfect super hero yet. The destruction and death of this film is gonna be what makes him stronger and makes him be able to always take the right road. Its an origin story of a kryptonian with mankinds heart and soul. There will be flaws and weaknesses in him at first. But he'll learn. Now if all that death and destruction happened in the third film, then id be worried and upset, cause yes, he would not be superman then.
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6:00PM on 06/24/2013

It's an origin story.

Everything that happened was fine. This is the very beginning of superman, superman before he becomes superman. He's not full strength yet, Jor El states,"The only way to know your full potential is to keep testing yourself.", or something like that. So he's not the powerful amazing perfect super hero yet. The destruction and death of this film is gonna be what makes him stronger and makes him be able to always take the right road. Its an origin story of a kryptonian with mankinds heart and
Everything that happened was fine. This is the very beginning of superman, superman before he becomes superman. He's not full strength yet, Jor El states,"The only way to know your full potential is to keep testing yourself.", or something like that. So he's not the powerful amazing perfect super hero yet. The destruction and death of this film is gonna be what makes him stronger and makes him be able to always take the right road. Its an origin story of a kryptonian with mankinds heart and soul. There will be flaws and weaknesses in him at first. But he'll learn. Now if all that death and destruction happened in the third film, then id be worried and upset, cause yes, he would not be superman then.
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5:39PM on 06/24/2013

Surprisingly right

I thought I was going to hate his opinion but after watching his video, I totally agree. I remembering watching the final fight between Supes and Zod wondering why Superman wasn't stopping debris from crushing people like he wound in the cartoons or trying to take the fight away from the city and people. Hopefully they answer that in the sequel.

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Also gots to remember this was his first day as Superman, hopefully he gets wiser.
I thought I was going to hate his opinion but after watching his video, I totally agree. I remembering watching the final fight between Supes and Zod wondering why Superman wasn't stopping debris from crushing people like he wound in the cartoons or trying to take the fight away from the city and people. Hopefully they answer that in the sequel.

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Also gots to remember this was his first day as Superman, hopefully he gets wiser.
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6:31PM on 06/24/2013
Great point. I too was thinking about how Superman was basically given the suit, tested out flying for five minutes and then had to stop Zod and try and save the world. In a day. If it was my first day on the job, no matter how I was raised to do good, that would still be a tough job to get right on day one. I really would like a running theme in the sequel to be about how Superman is still upset about taking Zod out that he vows to find another way to stop someone without killing. It could be
Great point. I too was thinking about how Superman was basically given the suit, tested out flying for five minutes and then had to stop Zod and try and save the world. In a day. If it was my first day on the job, no matter how I was raised to do good, that would still be a tough job to get right on day one. I really would like a running theme in the sequel to be about how Superman is still upset about taking Zod out that he vows to find another way to stop someone without killing. It could be a proper baseline for why he doesn't kill. As for the destruction and not saving people like he should, address that too by having some sort of speech/interview Superman does that let's him explain how the world deserves a protector, not a hero. Then you can have Luthor and or another villain (Brainiac!!!!) test his public vows to mankind about not killing and being a protector to the world.
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5:36PM on 06/24/2013

I liked the effort ...

Cavill and the rest of the cast all seemed to have a genuine rationale and purpose, so the characters felt three-dimensional. Whether it was too destructive or had too much psyche or too 'alien' an interpretation, I understand and see the criticism. The kids in the theater loved it, which I find makes me enjoy it as a wide eyed spectacle. For me Costner owned every scene he was in, and I liked see him at peak form.
I would watch a sequel and would be happy with him in JL. I think a bit of
Cavill and the rest of the cast all seemed to have a genuine rationale and purpose, so the characters felt three-dimensional. Whether it was too destructive or had too much psyche or too 'alien' an interpretation, I understand and see the criticism. The kids in the theater loved it, which I find makes me enjoy it as a wide eyed spectacle. For me Costner owned every scene he was in, and I liked see him at peak form.
I would watch a sequel and would be happy with him in JL. I think a bit of tweaking could make the sequel eclipse the first one, now that the sandbox is filled.
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5:11PM on 06/24/2013

This guy

Is so pompous, he wrote one decent movie. His opinion doesn't mean a whole lot. The problem isn't Superman, the problem is the movies that cake before it - because of ALL superhero movies this movie accurately portrays what I imagine a fight between two people as powerful as Superman would result in: serious overkill destruction.

This is a story about an enemy who has no regard at all for humanity and WILL kill anyone and EVERYONE.

Why didn't Superman fight Zod somewhere other than
Is so pompous, he wrote one decent movie. His opinion doesn't mean a whole lot. The problem isn't Superman, the problem is the movies that cake before it - because of ALL superhero movies this movie accurately portrays what I imagine a fight between two people as powerful as Superman would result in: serious overkill destruction.

This is a story about an enemy who has no regard at all for humanity and WILL kill anyone and EVERYONE.

Why didn't Superman fight Zod somewhere other than Metropolis? Because it would be extremely silly to have Superman lead him into a field just to have Zod say "I see what you did there" and then fly back into the city. Because, you know, Zods goal was the destruction of humanity.

Max Landis, after you write or direct another 5 or 6 great flicks, then come out and criticize other people's work. Until then you got lucky one time.
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5:33PM on 06/24/2013
how many movies have you written?
how many movies have you written?
5:44PM on 06/24/2013
I believe his main point was how Hollywood just tries to out due each other with destruction of cities, first it was Transformers, then Transformers 3, then Avengers, and now MOS, but with Superman it's just totally out of his character.
I believe his main point was how Hollywood just tries to out due each other with destruction of cities, first it was Transformers, then Transformers 3, then Avengers, and now MOS, but with Superman it's just totally out of his character.
6:40PM on 06/25/2013
@zombie3298, I'm working on 5. Well, I have 5 outlines, 2 first drafts, and 1 I'm working on the third draft.

1 is a blatantly offensive horror flick.
2 is an action comedy.
3 is a black comedy.
4 is a drama.
5 is a sequel to an already existing film.

Besides the 5th they're all ideas that have never been done. I'm not that great of a writer though, which blows. I have a bunch of finished short scripts. I write more shorts than feature lengths because I'd rather get the practice out on
@zombie3298, I'm working on 5. Well, I have 5 outlines, 2 first drafts, and 1 I'm working on the third draft.

1 is a blatantly offensive horror flick.
2 is an action comedy.
3 is a black comedy.
4 is a drama.
5 is a sequel to an already existing film.

Besides the 5th they're all ideas that have never been done. I'm not that great of a writer though, which blows. I have a bunch of finished short scripts. I write more shorts than feature lengths because I'd rather get the practice out on those.

But besides that my point is that a fledgling criticizing a guy who's had several awesome movies is... Silly.
5:07PM on 06/24/2013

"Knows hollywood as well as anyone", he has written one script.

"Knows hollywood as well as anyone"? he has written one script. I don't care who daddy is, still doesn't make him mister hollywood. Superman needed to be changed for this generation, this was meant to be a different kind of Superman, not the corny character from the past.
"Knows hollywood as well as anyone"? he has written one script. I don't care who daddy is, still doesn't make him mister hollywood. Superman needed to be changed for this generation, this was meant to be a different kind of Superman, not the corny character from the past.
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4:56PM on 06/24/2013

Just proves......

this guy has no idea what he's talking about.
this guy has no idea what he's talking about.
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4:50PM on 06/24/2013
"A narcissistic bully like Spider-Man"? Yeah, those poor, power-mad supervillains, being teased while they're trying to take over the world or destroy mankind. It must be really tough for those guys.

Spider-Man isn't the bully. He's the geek who's got the powers that enable him to fight the actual bullies.
"A narcissistic bully like Spider-Man"? Yeah, those poor, power-mad supervillains, being teased while they're trying to take over the world or destroy mankind. It must be really tough for those guys.

Spider-Man isn't the bully. He's the geek who's got the powers that enable him to fight the actual bullies.
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4:36PM on 06/24/2013
I am so very sick of hearing this argument. That superhero films are too destructive. Has anyone ever actually read a superman comic? Or watched the justice league show? Lol I mean how much of metropolis was left after Superman/Doomsday? And though they never touch on it in the cartoon, they have levelled full cities multiple times. These are the same people that were practically demanding their $ back after the lack of action in the last superman film. I get it... we are blowing up alot of
I am so very sick of hearing this argument. That superhero films are too destructive. Has anyone ever actually read a superman comic? Or watched the justice league show? Lol I mean how much of metropolis was left after Superman/Doomsday? And though they never touch on it in the cartoon, they have levelled full cities multiple times. These are the same people that were practically demanding their $ back after the lack of action in the last superman film. I get it... we are blowing up alot of shizzie... but come on... What was the body count in a mid 90s action film? This is the modern age if you levelled a city fighting and then said "Hey look they're all alive, no one died" Everyone would walk out calling BS! I agree the glory days of the sueprhero may be faded, but that is just the way the modern audience wants it. It's superman, he fights gods, their will be bodies in the wake.
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4:30PM on 06/24/2013
I didn't like the movie too much, and the more I think about it the less I like it. Also, it's just like, his opinion, man.

If Zod wanted to restart the Kryptonian race he should have tried things the old fashioned way with Faora.
I didn't like the movie too much, and the more I think about it the less I like it. Also, it's just like, his opinion, man.

If Zod wanted to restart the Kryptonian race he should have tried things the old fashioned way with Faora.
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4:27PM on 06/24/2013
Me thinks thou doth protest too much.
Me thinks thou doth protest too much.
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4:26PM on 06/24/2013

Superman should let everyone on earth die in the sequel.

So little shit's that complain about death and destruction cause by Superman fighting an evil villain bent on exterminating humans can have their fix...fucking retards. The destruction in Man Of Steel was fine , watching humans get killed was fine ...how come no one complains why we never saw one fucking civilian die at the end of the avengers?..now that's fucking retarded.
So little shit's that complain about death and destruction cause by Superman fighting an evil villain bent on exterminating humans can have their fix...fucking retards. The destruction in Man Of Steel was fine , watching humans get killed was fine ...how come no one complains why we never saw one fucking civilian die at the end of the avengers?..now that's fucking retarded.
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4:25PM on 06/24/2013
Double Post 2 : Electric Bugaloo....
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4:20PM on 06/24/2013
I agree with his message, but his smarmy tone made me want to punch him in the face. Chronicle was an interesting enough debut, but I might give a little more of a shit if he wasn't John Landis' kid. He claims he didn't get his foot in the door with his dad's help but I'm sure it didn't work against him either....
I agree with his message, but his smarmy tone made me want to punch him in the face. Chronicle was an interesting enough debut, but I might give a little more of a shit if he wasn't John Landis' kid. He claims he didn't get his foot in the door with his dad's help but I'm sure it didn't work against him either....
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4:14PM on 06/24/2013

Nitpicking

As I've said before, in the Death of Superman, Doomsday leveled Metropolis. If Superman has to fight another big super-powered dude, there is going to be collateral damage. There just is. All of these problems are nitpicks.
As I've said before, in the Death of Superman, Doomsday leveled Metropolis. If Superman has to fight another big super-powered dude, there is going to be collateral damage. There just is. All of these problems are nitpicks.
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4:11PM on 06/24/2013
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4:07PM on 06/24/2013

It was amazing

I don't care that everybody is starting to jump off the Man of Steel bandwagon, just as they did with Superman Returns. To me, the movie made Superman as sympathetic as any other movie, they did a good job demonstrating how alienating and scary having those powers can be. And as far as the action, when you have 3 kryptonians vs 1 and whatever they touch gets destroyed, the amount of destruction that takes place should be off the charts. Zod and his crew were not just on Earth to kill
I don't care that everybody is starting to jump off the Man of Steel bandwagon, just as they did with Superman Returns. To me, the movie made Superman as sympathetic as any other movie, they did a good job demonstrating how alienating and scary having those powers can be. And as far as the action, when you have 3 kryptonians vs 1 and whatever they touch gets destroyed, the amount of destruction that takes place should be off the charts. Zod and his crew were not just on Earth to kill Superman, they were there to destroy humanity by building a New Krypton, so if Superman tries to draw them to space he will fail. Superman is not trying to draw Zod into a fight, its the other way around and that is why the fights take place on the cities and small towns.
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4:01PM on 06/24/2013

It was amazing

I don't care that everybody is starting to jump off the Man of Steel bandwagon, just as they did with Superman Returns. To me, the movie made Superman as sympathetic as any other movie, they did a good job demonstrating how alienating and scary having those powers can be. And as far as the action, when you have 3 kryptonians vs 1 and whatever they touch gets destroyed, the amount of destruction that takes place should be off the charts. Zod and his crew were not just on Earth to kill
I don't care that everybody is starting to jump off the Man of Steel bandwagon, just as they did with Superman Returns. To me, the movie made Superman as sympathetic as any other movie, they did a good job demonstrating how alienating and scary having those powers can be. And as far as the action, when you have 3 kryptonians vs 1 and whatever they touch gets destroyed, the amount of destruction that takes place should be off the charts. Zod and his crew were not just on Earth to kill Superman, they were there to destroy humanity by building a New Krypton, so if Superman tries to draw them to space he will fail. Superman is not trying to draw Zod into a fight, its the other way around and that is why the fights take place on the cities and small towns.
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4:06PM on 06/24/2013
Superman flew Zod through a cornfield, through a silo (smashing it and most likely killing people in the rubble), through a petrol station (exploding it and killing god knows how many, definitely the guy behind the counter at least) and into the middle of Smallville where they procedded to lay waste to the entire town.

That was all totally Superman
Superman flew Zod through a cornfield, through a silo (smashing it and most likely killing people in the rubble), through a petrol station (exploding it and killing god knows how many, definitely the guy behind the counter at least) and into the middle of Smallville where they procedded to lay waste to the entire town.

That was all totally Superman
3:55PM on 06/24/2013
I respect his opinion even if I disagree with a lot of it. In The Avengers, the first thing Captain America did before the big battle was establish a perimeter where they could fight and ask for the evacuation of that zone. He also goes out of his way to save the people trapped inside a building so he really did the best he could with the little power he had. Spider-Man has to get on the nerves of his foes because his powers aren't that strong compared to some of them and it also helps with his
I respect his opinion even if I disagree with a lot of it. In The Avengers, the first thing Captain America did before the big battle was establish a perimeter where they could fight and ask for the evacuation of that zone. He also goes out of his way to save the people trapped inside a building so he really did the best he could with the little power he had. Spider-Man has to get on the nerves of his foes because his powers aren't that strong compared to some of them and it also helps with his never-ending security issues. Bruce Wayne was a kid when his parents were murdered and Peter Parker was just a teenager when his uncle died. In some versions of Superman (including MoS) Kal-El was a full grown adult when he adopted the superhero lifestyle. If Jonathan Kent had murdered when Clark was still a kid, would that have changed him the way it changed Bruce Wayne?

His overall point about putting the hero back into superhero movies is a good one, though.
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3:55PM on 06/24/2013
I get his point about Superman (guess one of manys reasons why the clash with Zod in Superman 2 is superior and way smarter than in Man of steel) but the way Landis is expressing himself and is pretty much running down a whole genre annoys the fuck out of me! Yeah, the Avenger do stand tall after cities, countries and planets crumble! Thats the whole point of them: the biggest and strongest heroes on earth fighting the biggest threads mankind have to face! And yes, Spiderman can be a dick
I get his point about Superman (guess one of manys reasons why the clash with Zod in Superman 2 is superior and way smarter than in Man of steel) but the way Landis is expressing himself and is pretty much running down a whole genre annoys the fuck out of me! Yeah, the Avenger do stand tall after cities, countries and planets crumble! Thats the whole point of them: the biggest and strongest heroes on earth fighting the biggest threads mankind have to face! And yes, Spiderman can be a dick sometimes mocking his opponents, cause hes a overpowered, flawed teenager and those guys are murderous, narcistic assholes. I loved chronicle but Im already fed up by his constant egomanical rants. Go and write something, you jerk.
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3:52PM on 06/24/2013

To copy my opinion over from 'C'mon Hollywood'

Destruction is fine.

it just has to be well directed and work for the characters. Avengers worked because you could see everything that was going on clearly and concisely. The mood was right for the material, everything was planned, shot and edited smoothly. There were moments of humour, moments of pure awesome (the hulk reveal) and character based moments such as Captain America giving orders to policemen on how to shepherd people to safety, as well as taking out a room full of aliens and
Destruction is fine.

it just has to be well directed and work for the characters. Avengers worked because you could see everything that was going on clearly and concisely. The mood was right for the material, everything was planned, shot and edited smoothly. There were moments of humour, moments of pure awesome (the hulk reveal) and character based moments such as Captain America giving orders to policemen on how to shepherd people to safety, as well as taking out a room full of aliens and saving hostages in the process.

Man of Steel, as much as I really really was looking forward to seeing a godly smackdown, was messy. It was dark, grey, grim, shoddily shot, badly edited, missed the whole point of Superman saving humans or moving the battle away from them, and never let up for long enough for you to take any of it in or appreciate any of it. There's a point in that fight where Supes punches Zod into space, clangs him off a satellite and then punches him, in flames, back down to earth. That should've been incredible, I should've wanted to high five someone.....but it barely registered. It was just heartless visual noise.
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8:04PM on 06/24/2013
Just wanted to say thank you for pointing out the thing that I felt was the biggest flaw of Man of Steel. It is simply a poorly shot film, which is incredibly surprising due to the fact that it was Snyder behind the camera, a man who usually has an incredible visual sense and can frame and shoot a scene like few others can. I don't know what happened here but he lost any and all skills that he had. The action sequences were incomprehensible.

Poor lighting, poor editing, and zero weight to
Just wanted to say thank you for pointing out the thing that I felt was the biggest flaw of Man of Steel. It is simply a poorly shot film, which is incredibly surprising due to the fact that it was Snyder behind the camera, a man who usually has an incredible visual sense and can frame and shoot a scene like few others can. I don't know what happened here but he lost any and all skills that he had. The action sequences were incomprehensible.

Poor lighting, poor editing, and zero weight to any of the destruction. Visual noise is the perfect way to describe it. It's my main problem with filmmakers that use cgi as a crutch instead of as a tool. What a lot of filmmakers these days don't realize is that when everything on screen is cgi, none of it registers as being a real threat. I don't know if it's the same for everyone, perhaps the younger generation is more accustomed to this sort of thing, but my mind immediately zones out if everything onscreen is cgi. If I see a cgi superman punch a cgi Zod in the middle of a cgi Metropolis, absolutely none of it matters to me. I vaguely remember Superman punching Zod into space but I genuinely don't remember the rest of what you described. It's just one giant cgi blur. All the scenes with Clark as a kid are much more powerful and allow us to relate to the character better because they feel more real. Young Clark crushing that steel pole while trying to control his anger, or running out of the classroom in tears as he x-ray's right through his classmates are very powerful scenes. I can't say the same for any of the battles in the second half of the film.

It reminds me of when I first saw the end of POTC: At World's End. Two cgi ships, in a cgi cyclone, full of cgi characters battling other cgi creatures. I've seen At World's End twice and I still don't really know or remember anything that happens in that final battle. Compare that to the end of the first Pirates film and I remember everything perfectly. Why? Verbinski used cgi as a tool in the first Pirates. Everything was shot in camera except for the stuff that absolutely couldn't be done without cgi, such as the skeleton pirates. For At World's End, the budget increased to $300 million and suddenly everything became cgi.

It's my main complaint with Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull as well. That movie had many problems including the script and some of the performances, but my biggest grievance was easily that the movie just LOOKS like shit. I consider Douglas Slocombe's work on the original trilogy to be the absolute finest work of cinematography in history, rivaled only by Gordon Willis' work on The Godfather series and Tonino Delli Colli's work with Sergio Leone. Yes, there are more influential cinematographers and films, such as Citizen Kane, but the original trilogy is just one of those series where I look at it and go "Wow" at just how beautiful the film looks. Every frame of those films is so well lit and all the colors just pop in a way that's difficult to describe. I can give a blow by blow of every action sequence in the Indiana Jones trilogy because it is lit, edited, and just shot phenomenally well. With Crystal Skull, you get that horrible green tint that was undoubtedly used to hide the poor cgi, unfortunately for Spielberg, the poor lighting and horrible tint even made things that were shot practically look like cgi. Seriously, watch the behind the scenes stuff. You'll be sitting there going "Wait, that was a real prop? But it looked so fake." Then you have the scene where Indy is caught in the quicksand and it's shot so poorly that you can practically see the back wall of the set in what was supposed to be a wide forest. Just atrocious. I know Slacombe has since gone blind but I can only imagine how disgusted he would have been by how poorly shot Crystal Skull was.


Anyway, back to Man of Steel. I actually did like the film. Every scene with young Clark, Russell Crowe, and especially Kevin Costner was absolutely fantastic. I didn't think Amy Adams brought anything to her role and Michael Shannon and Laurence Fishbourne were wasted with what were rather small roles if you think about it. And minus the lapses in logic (Why the hell did Zod ask Lois Lane to come aboard his ship at the end when he clearly never had any intention of speaking with her or even using her as leverage? Oh right, it's because David Goyer is an awful writer and needed a cheap plot excuse for Lois to gain information she wouldn't otherwise have so that she can help Supes find a way to defeat Zod. Also, why is no one talking about the whole codex is in Superman's cells bit. I guess I'm the only one that found that to be silly and idiotic. Let's not get into that though), I did feel the set up is there to make a great second film. This isn't exactly Green Lantern levels of horridness.

Anyway, just wanted to get that out there. I refer to it as CGI blur but visual noise is a great way to describe an issue that I feel is becoming much more prevalent these days. I really wish we could solve these issues of too much CGI, poor lighting, and poor editing but it seems to have become a mainstay in big budget films. I apologize for rambling so much.
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3:48PM on 06/24/2013

LOL

So the only thing he's written that's gotten any sort of success in the movies is Chronicle? It seems more like fan boy crying more than anything. Writing a comic book and directing a movie are two different things.
So the only thing he's written that's gotten any sort of success in the movies is Chronicle? It seems more like fan boy crying more than anything. Writing a comic book and directing a movie are two different things.
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3:38PM on 06/24/2013

Superman should let everyone on earth die in the sequel.

So little shit's that complain about death and destruction cause by Superman fighting an evil villain bent on exterminating humans can have their fix...fucking retards. The destruction in Man Of Steel was fine , watching humans get killed was fine ...how come no one complains why we never saw one fucking civilian die at the end of the avengers?..now that's fucking retarded.
So little shit's that complain about death and destruction cause by Superman fighting an evil villain bent on exterminating humans can have their fix...fucking retards. The destruction in Man Of Steel was fine , watching humans get killed was fine ...how come no one complains why we never saw one fucking civilian die at the end of the avengers?..now that's fucking retarded.
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4:26PM on 06/24/2013
You liked Armageddon, huh?
You liked Armageddon, huh?
3:35PM on 06/24/2013
Good thing I don't give two shits what Max Landis thinks. Just cause he's a comic nerd doesn't make him right.
Good thing I don't give two shits what Max Landis thinks. Just cause he's a comic nerd doesn't make him right.
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3:29PM on 06/24/2013

It was amazing

I don't care that everybody is starting to jump off the Man of Steel bandwagon, just as they did with Superman Returns. To me, the movie made Superman as sympathetic as any other movie, they did a good job demonstrating how alienating and scary having those powers can be. And as far as the action, when you have 3 kryptonians vs 1 and whatever they touch gets destroyed, the amount of destruction that takes place should be off the charts. Zod and his crew were not just on Earth to kill
I don't care that everybody is starting to jump off the Man of Steel bandwagon, just as they did with Superman Returns. To me, the movie made Superman as sympathetic as any other movie, they did a good job demonstrating how alienating and scary having those powers can be. And as far as the action, when you have 3 kryptonians vs 1 and whatever they touch gets destroyed, the amount of destruction that takes place should be off the charts. Zod and his crew were not just on Earth to kill Superman, they were there to destroy humanity by building a New Krypton, so if Superman tries to draw them to space he will fail. Superman is not trying to draw Zod into a fight, its the other way around and that is why the fights take place on the cities and small towns.
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3:26PM on 06/24/2013
I'm pretty sure if Superman hadn't interceded, that gravity-motron would have done WAY more damage. He flew across the world to stop it. He's superman, but he's not omnipresent. There was a lot of destruction but I felt like the writers let Superman do all he could to stop it. These aren't old school superheros pulling cats out of trees or saving Lois Lane from falling off a building - this is an intergalactic menace wreaking havoc... and when you have two god-like beings duking it out, lots of
I'm pretty sure if Superman hadn't interceded, that gravity-motron would have done WAY more damage. He flew across the world to stop it. He's superman, but he's not omnipresent. There was a lot of destruction but I felt like the writers let Superman do all he could to stop it. These aren't old school superheros pulling cats out of trees or saving Lois Lane from falling off a building - this is an intergalactic menace wreaking havoc... and when you have two god-like beings duking it out, lots of people are going to die and shit is gonna blow up.
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3:24PM on 06/24/2013
I enjoyed Man of Steel for the most part, but he's absolutely right. Sure, it's an origin, but Clark Kent has already established he can save people. So why isn't he doing that at the end, aside from they had the budget and they wanted to follow the formula of so many blockbusters in recent years?
I enjoyed Man of Steel for the most part, but he's absolutely right. Sure, it's an origin, but Clark Kent has already established he can save people. So why isn't he doing that at the end, aside from they had the budget and they wanted to follow the formula of so many blockbusters in recent years?
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3:22PM on 06/24/2013

Finally

someone who understands what is wrong with many superhero movies today. This man should be doing the DC Universe so he can get rid of Goyer and Synder,

Loved that he came off more as a fan than an annoying hollywood writer.
someone who understands what is wrong with many superhero movies today. This man should be doing the DC Universe so he can get rid of Goyer and Synder,

Loved that he came off more as a fan than an annoying hollywood writer.
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3:21PM on 06/24/2013
By the time superman returned to the city from the other side of the planet, i thought the buildings were evacuated because of the ship that was terraforming. the reporters stayed behind because thats their job. And I liked that superman doesnt stand there like a rockstar, he collapses in grief and guilt
By the time superman returned to the city from the other side of the planet, i thought the buildings were evacuated because of the ship that was terraforming. the reporters stayed behind because thats their job. And I liked that superman doesnt stand there like a rockstar, he collapses in grief and guilt
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1:26PM on 06/25/2013
Henry Cavill was good in the role. But the only reason he was half-way around the world was because of the writing. I didn't even mind the brawl at the end, but it's a friggin' Superman movie, and it has a higher body-count than most super-hero movies. That just doesn't seem right to me.
Henry Cavill was good in the role. But the only reason he was half-way around the world was because of the writing. I didn't even mind the brawl at the end, but it's a friggin' Superman movie, and it has a higher body-count than most super-hero movies. That just doesn't seem right to me.
9:16AM on 06/26/2013
It probably doesnt seem right to you because you dont read superman comics. Superman is not god, he cant save everyone and he knows that.
It probably doesnt seem right to you because you dont read superman comics. Superman is not god, he cant save everyone and he knows that.
3:16PM on 06/24/2013
I think he gets Superman dead on, although I don't think he needed to take down all the other superheroes while doing it LOL. I agree with him that a lot of the Superman character was sacrificed for a dazzling finale, yet I also think the movie as a whole grasped what he's talking about more than he is letting on, albeit not perfectly or universally
I think he gets Superman dead on, although I don't think he needed to take down all the other superheroes while doing it LOL. I agree with him that a lot of the Superman character was sacrificed for a dazzling finale, yet I also think the movie as a whole grasped what he's talking about more than he is letting on, albeit not perfectly or universally
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11:35AM on 06/26/2013
Respectfully disagree with you. I don't think a lot of the Superman character was sacrificed in this movie. People have been assigning attributes to the character of Superman/comic canon for the sake of proving a point. Superman has had to kill opponents in the past to save the day. There have been times that in order to take out a villain, destruction has been caused to Metropolis. I think fanboys are being so nitpicky about these two things in the movie and completely overlooking how
Respectfully disagree with you. I don't think a lot of the Superman character was sacrificed in this movie. People have been assigning attributes to the character of Superman/comic canon for the sake of proving a point. Superman has had to kill opponents in the past to save the day. There have been times that in order to take out a villain, destruction has been caused to Metropolis. I think fanboys are being so nitpicky about these two things in the movie and completely overlooking how often both things happen in the comics. Granted there are a few things that have been changed, but I don't think they detract from the overall character of Superman in the long run. You have to remember, this is an origin story. This is about how he becomes the symbol of hope for Earth, the movie wasn't about what he does as the symbol of hope for earth. That's something to be explored in sequels.
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3:16PM on 06/24/2013
He lost me at John Cusack should have been Superman at some point.
He lost me at John Cusack should have been Superman at some point.
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3:15PM on 06/24/2013
It's like the opening scene of Team America where they show up to kill the terrorists and destroy Paris and the locals are all standing around looking at their city as its destroyed and Team America is saying you're welcome oblivious to the fact they demolished the city.
It's like the opening scene of Team America where they show up to kill the terrorists and destroy Paris and the locals are all standing around looking at their city as its destroyed and Team America is saying you're welcome oblivious to the fact they demolished the city.
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3:12PM on 06/24/2013
I wonder what he thinks of Iron Man 3. I read Superman comics, and noticed what they had changed. Like you said, it's his opinion. I am a writer as well, and sometimes things change for the sake of surprising the audience. If you read the comic, and saw exactly what you read in film page by page, it's kinda boring. I Do respect where he's going, I've seen this video earlier. But my opinion, I enjoyed that third act and what Superman did. For me, it actually brought forth what Superman is going
I wonder what he thinks of Iron Man 3. I read Superman comics, and noticed what they had changed. Like you said, it's his opinion. I am a writer as well, and sometimes things change for the sake of surprising the audience. If you read the comic, and saw exactly what you read in film page by page, it's kinda boring. I Do respect where he's going, I've seen this video earlier. But my opinion, I enjoyed that third act and what Superman did. For me, it actually brought forth what Superman is going to become, and the one we all know. I like this Man of Steel version.
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