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What did you think of...Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice?

03.26.2016

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The moment has finally arrived. "Bat of Gotham vs. Son of Krypton. The greatest gladiator match in the history of the world." After an announcement that brought down the roof of Hall H at SDCC in 2014, BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE has arrived, kicking off the official start of the DCEU, the expanded cinematic universe of DC's superhero properties. Director Zack Snyder set the tone for this new world with 2013's MAN OF STEEL and now brings in some of the comic company's serious heavy hitters to join Superman (Henry Cavill), including Batman (Ben Affleck), Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot), and Lex Luthor (Jesse Eisenberg) with the promise of more to come in the next follow up, JUSTICE LEAGUE PARTS 1 & 2, which will see the likes of Aquaman (Jason Momoa), Cyborg (Ray Fisher), and The Flash (Ezra Miller), to name just a few. Drawing heavy inspiration from Frank Miller's classic "The Dark Knight Returns" battle royale between Supes and Bats, BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE incorporates more than just a standalone story, but a framework for the entire DCEU, laying the foundation for all the films that will follow, including August's SUICIDE SQUAD. The question now is: did they pull it off?

BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE has been one of the most fiercely debated films amongst fans on the Internet, spawning a duality of defense and hatred without anyone having seen the entire film. The divisiveness has echoed similarly with what MAN OF STEEL went through, as many objected to the darker tone, while others applauded it. So, how have critics responded? So far, the film sits at PERCENT at Rotten Tomatoes. Our own Eric Walkuski gave the film a score of 5/10, saying it "left me feeling depressed and uninvolved, and far from excited about what's the come in the many (many) movies to follow. I wanted to like this movie, was rooting for it, and it didn't deliver.". By contrast, Chris Bumbray gave it 7/10, saying it's "an exciting time at the movies and a real epic stab at creating a new world." And The Arrow gave it a 6/10 on his end. Now, it's your turn. Who will win? Batman? Superman? Critics? Fans? The entirety of the DCEU? Let the battle begin! 

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1:47PM on 04/10/2016

my opioion

Finally saw the movie and suffice to state that the movie is not bad. It's not amazing nor is it bad. Taking this into account I felt the movie is in the 7 to 7.5 range out of 10. No disrespect to director Zack Snyder but it was a wrong choice for a director. We'll see what happens with The Justice League Part One and Part Two with Zack Snyder. We'll Christopher Nolan can't direct every movie, right ... to bad. As for Ben Affleck as Batman, noble effort but Batman is Christian Bale and Michael
Finally saw the movie and suffice to state that the movie is not bad. It's not amazing nor is it bad. Taking this into account I felt the movie is in the 7 to 7.5 range out of 10. No disrespect to director Zack Snyder but it was a wrong choice for a director. We'll see what happens with The Justice League Part One and Part Two with Zack Snyder. We'll Christopher Nolan can't direct every movie, right ... to bad. As for Ben Affleck as Batman, noble effort but Batman is Christian Bale and Michael Keaton.
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8:53PM on 03/31/2016

Really liked it

Was it flawed? Sure. But as someone who read Justice League growing up (still would have liked a version of the Giffen/DeMatteis run on screen) and with one of my earliest memories of going to the movies and being enthralled by a character was seeing Superman back in '79 when I was 5, I though it was very well done. Affleck was terrific, arguably taking the title of best big screen Wayne/Bats. Cavill makes a good Kent/Supes, but he takes a back seat to the more marketable hero, which is a shame
Was it flawed? Sure. But as someone who read Justice League growing up (still would have liked a version of the Giffen/DeMatteis run on screen) and with one of my earliest memories of going to the movies and being enthralled by a character was seeing Superman back in '79 when I was 5, I though it was very well done. Affleck was terrific, arguably taking the title of best big screen Wayne/Bats. Cavill makes a good Kent/Supes, but he takes a back seat to the more marketable hero, which is a shame in some ways. And between Amy Adams in a bathtub and Gal Gadot in every outfit she wore, yowza. Joking aside, the two ladies were excellent and actually were the ones that infused some needed (albeit minimal) levity. Still on the fence about Eisenberg though, but he played it well if that's how Luthor was written. Will definitely be ordering the directors cut blu-ray.
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5:19PM on 03/31/2016

Loved it!

It was probably too big and busy for it's own good, but I can't even imagine what the critics saw. This was WAY better than MoS, which got adequate reviews. All I can think of is that there was so much violence that they thought it was bad for a kids' movie.
It was probably too big and busy for it's own good, but I can't even imagine what the critics saw. This was WAY better than MoS, which got adequate reviews. All I can think of is that there was so much violence that they thought it was bad for a kids' movie.
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5:52PM on 03/29/2016
I dig the movie but boy, the threw everything but the kitchen sink at the audience. The introduction of Batman and Wonder Woman, a glimpse at the Justice League, Doomsday, teasing the coming of Apocalypse and a pissed off Superman (seemingly right out of the pages of Injustice:Gods among us) and they closed the movie with yet another very popular Superman storyline. At times it felt more like a "the very Best of DC Universe" than an actual, cohesive movie, which lessened the impact of several
I dig the movie but boy, the threw everything but the kitchen sink at the audience. The introduction of Batman and Wonder Woman, a glimpse at the Justice League, Doomsday, teasing the coming of Apocalypse and a pissed off Superman (seemingly right out of the pages of Injustice:Gods among us) and they closed the movie with yet another very popular Superman storyline. At times it felt more like a "the very Best of DC Universe" than an actual, cohesive movie, which lessened the impact of several scenes and moments and did not left room for the characters to breathe.
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5:21PM on 03/31/2016
I thought that when they did breathe, it was very solid. Affleck and Gadot did wonderfully, and I thought they had solid screen presence together. I hope they figure out a way to keep them working together as much as possible.
I thought that when they did breathe, it was very solid. Affleck and Gadot did wonderfully, and I thought they had solid screen presence together. I hope they figure out a way to keep them working together as much as possible.
3:54PM on 03/29/2016

Just one litmus test

SPOILER

I have hated this movie for a couple years. The more cast they added, the stronger my hatred grew. Then they revealed doomsday. Then they said he was crafted by lex. Yuck, yuck, fucking yuck. And with all the franchise talk, I knew there was no way they would end that doomsday story properly.

Well, well, fucking well. They did it. My one litmus test was would they give superman vs doomsday the ending it deserved. That was an iconic, watershed moment on the supe comics of my youth.
SPOILER

I have hated this movie for a couple years. The more cast they added, the stronger my hatred grew. Then they revealed doomsday. Then they said he was crafted by lex. Yuck, yuck, fucking yuck. And with all the franchise talk, I knew there was no way they would end that doomsday story properly.

Well, well, fucking well. They did it. My one litmus test was would they give superman vs doomsday the ending it deserved. That was an iconic, watershed moment on the supe comics of my youth. That black bag with its bleeding logo.

So, yeah, I allowed myself to really enjoy it. Much, much better than expected and real success for me Snyder.
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12:04PM on 03/29/2016

loved it!

also it's the best batman we've ever seen on the screen. bale who? nolan who? nice to be able to actually SEE batman whipping some ass and not just a bunch of close up confusion and people falling down all over the place without actually being struck. the tone of this movie is perfect. wonder woman is great and just wait until we see more of her. superman, goes through so much in the movie personally. can't wait to see it again.
also it's the best batman we've ever seen on the screen. bale who? nolan who? nice to be able to actually SEE batman whipping some ass and not just a bunch of close up confusion and people falling down all over the place without actually being struck. the tone of this movie is perfect. wonder woman is great and just wait until we see more of her. superman, goes through so much in the movie personally. can't wait to see it again.
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12:00PM on 03/29/2016

loved it!

first of all for such a mainstream type movie, this movie is not however for the mainstream audience. it's for fanboys. it takes a lot of balls to make a movie called batman v superman and only have them throw down once about an hour after the movie has started. the action actually takes a back seat to the story and the dc universe being built up. which is very surprising considering who made this movie. but still,the ambition and the "desert scene" not going to spoil it, if you know
first of all for such a mainstream type movie, this movie is not however for the mainstream audience. it's for fanboys. it takes a lot of balls to make a movie called batman v superman and only have them throw down once about an hour after the movie has started. the action actually takes a back seat to the story and the dc universe being built up. which is very surprising considering who made this movie. but still,the ambition and the "desert scene" not going to spoil it, if you know about what's actually going on there, represents just how big this universe is going to be. i walk away feeling very satisfied about the direction the dc movie universe is going. what a hell of a foundation!?! the only knock i have on it is i would've liked to see a confrontation of those two within the first 30 minutes and see batman get his ass kicked. then the next fight would have been that much better. overall, great scope, great action once it starts and just amazing to be alive to be able to watch all of this come together. don't change shit for the nay sayers zack. stay true to your vision. this movie will be even better once we look back after all of these other ones have been released.
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3:48AM on 03/29/2016
So yea, a little underwhelming, and I was really looking forward to it. I'm still crossing my fingers for the directors cut to be better though (as the Watchmen directors cut was). The film has lots of pros, but for the life of me, as I watched, the film just screamed studio intervention over and over. The editing was all over the place, with Lex Luthor being the most burned. I couldn't keep up with his motives and side plots for the life of me, even though I didnt dislike Eisenbergs take.
So yea, a little underwhelming, and I was really looking forward to it. I'm still crossing my fingers for the directors cut to be better though (as the Watchmen directors cut was). The film has lots of pros, but for the life of me, as I watched, the film just screamed studio intervention over and over. The editing was all over the place, with Lex Luthor being the most burned. I couldn't keep up with his motives and side plots for the life of me, even though I didnt dislike Eisenbergs take. The movie is called Batman v Superman, and their fight felt way too short. That should have been the big action set piece, with Doomsday being the surprise icing on the cake. And yep, advertising dropped the ball big time. The trailers gave away most of the best stuff. How many times do we have to mention zero civilian casualties now? And doesn't it seem like Gotham and Metropolis are like, right next to each other in this cut? They are in one, then the other, constantly.

Anyways, I did enjoy it overall for reasons like the take on Batman and WW, of course it has great CGI and action, and I think it does lay good groundwork for future DC movies.
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5:25PM on 03/31/2016
Eisenberg was much better than I thought he would be. However, his Lex was more of a mentally confused genius than the cool, power-mad genius we saw in the comics and animated films. Some of it was borderline weird (like his speech at the party), but at least they FINALLY got his motivation about Superman right (mostly). I thought his character was a wash....as much good as bad.
Eisenberg was much better than I thought he would be. However, his Lex was more of a mentally confused genius than the cool, power-mad genius we saw in the comics and animated films. Some of it was borderline weird (like his speech at the party), but at least they FINALLY got his motivation about Superman right (mostly). I thought his character was a wash....as much good as bad.
12:30AM on 03/29/2016

Here it is. The post that will cause controversy.

This movie (man of steel and the dark knight trilogy included) Speaks to me in a way that most people don't understand. I am in the middle of my Policing interviews and will more than likely (fingers crossed) be a Police officer by years end. Even then, I already work in Law enforcement as a civilian. I do this because I want to HELP people, no matter how *beep* this world is. Batman/Superman and others (as a child) have inspired me to be the BEST I Can be. To make a difference in my world.
This movie (man of steel and the dark knight trilogy included) Speaks to me in a way that most people don't understand. I am in the middle of my Policing interviews and will more than likely (fingers crossed) be a Police officer by years end. Even then, I already work in Law enforcement as a civilian. I do this because I want to HELP people, no matter how *beep* this world is. Batman/Superman and others (as a child) have inspired me to be the BEST I Can be. To make a difference in my world.

Watching this movie, ALOT of people are saying Superman isn't a positive person because he doesn't "Smile". How is Superman supposed to smile when he watches a hundred people get incinerated infront of him. How is he supposed to smile when the Government talk *beep* about him. He experiences so much hatred and vitriol from people simply because he is different. And this is where ALOT of you come in. Pazuzu...Boblob_Law, MechKacho...etc. You guys resort to calling people losers, assholes, f (bombs), and all sorts of disgusting shit. This is the kind of stuff but on a worldwide level that Superman deals with. You guys are the negative shit that make up this world. Unable to accept anyones opinion but your own as fact. It's people like you, that if in a position of power, would cause a war. Because you squabble over such petty stuff, that if you began squabbling over things that actually mattered, we'd all be fucked.


Anyways, continuing on. Superman CONTINUES to be a positive person because he CHOOSES to be good, he CHOOSES to make a difference, HE CHOOSES to use his powers to help people and make the world a better place.

By all accounts. Superman IS human. Forget that he is near invincible, and think on a mental level. He is human. He has emotions, he loves, he hurts, he has the capacity to HATE...but He doesn't. Despite every bad thing he sees, despite the constant barrage of negativity in his life and towards him. He chooses to be a force for GOOD. It is akin to PTSD that soldiers, cops, firefighters, victims of abuse all go through and it is their mental fortitude to strive on and be GOOD that makes them heroes.

Superman IS A POSITIVE HERO. Just because he doesn't Smile all the time, doesn't make it any less true.
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6:13PM on 03/29/2016
I see what you want to say. But the Problem with the recent incarnation of Superman is not that he does not smile. It´s his overall backstory, his potrayal, maybe even the characterization of those around him. From his human father to tell him to let a School bus full of children rather die than to risk being exposed, up to his indifference regarding the massive collateral damage and bodycount his battles causes or the look of disdain on his face every time he have to jump into Action. I
I see what you want to say. But the Problem with the recent incarnation of Superman is not that he does not smile. It´s his overall backstory, his potrayal, maybe even the characterization of those around him. From his human father to tell him to let a School bus full of children rather die than to risk being exposed, up to his indifference regarding the massive collateral damage and bodycount his battles causes or the look of disdain on his face every time he have to jump into Action. I don´t know if that was the Intention of Snyder, Goyer and Co., if this is supposed to be a very dark, brooding, malevolent take on an iconic character, if this is the potrayal of a godlike Superman in an angst ridden post 9/11 world or if this character just suffers from a case of bad, emotionless and humorless writing but I can understand that people have a problem with this all new Superman. That aside I wish you the best for your policing interviews and if the movie further inspired you helping People, it have done something damn right!
9:10PM on 03/31/2016
Nicely said; I feel Supes has been shit on lately because he's not "gritty" enough and is too associated with being American. I'm a 40-something Canadian and he's always been my favourite (proving I'm a Canuck) superhero because in the movies, the books and cartoons he's always instilled hope, almost always did the right thing and defended every one of us. BTW my dad is a retired cop, so good luck with your interviews; you guys are the real life heroes.
Nicely said; I feel Supes has been shit on lately because he's not "gritty" enough and is too associated with being American. I'm a 40-something Canadian and he's always been my favourite (proving I'm a Canuck) superhero because in the movies, the books and cartoons he's always instilled hope, almost always did the right thing and defended every one of us. BTW my dad is a retired cop, so good luck with your interviews; you guys are the real life heroes.
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12:17AM on 03/29/2016
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8:12PM on 03/28/2016

Here's my full review

I loved it. Yes, it is long, and they cut out a great line from Batman, but the movie works as a standalone film and a nice set up to the DC Universe. No movie is perfect, but this was no easy task and may be Synders best work to date when considering the scope of what DC was trying to accomplish. His work is generally polarizing and apparently this film is no different.
Two caveats before I go more in depth. I like most of Synders movies. They are not great, but good and entertaining. 300
I loved it. Yes, it is long, and they cut out a great line from Batman, but the movie works as a standalone film and a nice set up to the DC Universe. No movie is perfect, but this was no easy task and may be Synders best work to date when considering the scope of what DC was trying to accomplish. His work is generally polarizing and apparently this film is no different.
Two caveats before I go more in depth. I like most of Synders movies. They are not great, but good and entertaining. 300 captured the comic styling and translated to film well. I enjoyed it. Watchmen is VERY underrated. He combined a 12 issue comic miniseries into a 3 hour film. While impressive, its also part of the movies weakness. Scenes come and go so quickly you dont get to linger over the story or characters, you dont have time to digest what youve seen, youre moving to the next scene too quickly. It would have worked better as two movies yet he had to cram the whole story into one and brought the comic to life very faithfully. Again, no easy task. Man of Steel is my favorite Superman movie. Yes darker, but he successfully modernized and made me care about a character I have never found interesting. Suckerpunch was his weakest effort. I cant put my finger on any one reason, the movie just doesnt hold your attention. Attractive women with guns, in school girl outfits, kicking ass, should be a geeks dream - yet it fails. Now you understand how I feel about Snyder.
Caveat number 2. - if you know me even a little, you should already know my favorite comic book character is Batman. Ive been obsessed with Batman since I was 4. Im highly critical of all things Batman. Batman Begins will probably always be my favorite Batman movie and the best live action interpretation to date. Bale nails the dark side of Batman and the movie almost transcends movies and into a film - a classic. The themes, the story, the real mask, my favorite Bat Villain (Scarecrow), the movie works on so many levels. Batman seems real and plausible. Incredible. Batman Begins is my standard for all super hero movies and now, we have a new Batman.

The Review...finally. (spoilers ahead)

The movie introduces the audience to a new Batman. Ben Affleck. I have to say, when I first heard of the casting, I was mortified (sorry Ben). In my limited experience with Afflecks work - Kevin Smith movies, Argo - i just couldnt see him as Batman. BvS was pretty quickly written off in my mind. Then I happened to read that Gone Girl wasnt some romantic movie but something else entirely. I decided to check it out. Imagine my shock when I realized, Affleck can act and have a darker side. Very interesting movie. His performance in Gone Girl put my mind at ease and I joined the Batfleck camp - I thought he could pull it off. The casting turned out almost perfect. Afflecks Wayne and Batman are both familiar and different. His Wayne is a more tortured soul then even Bales. This Wayne not only seems to be even more haunted by his past, he even turns to alcohol to help calm his mind - a big no-no in traditional Batman lore. This Batman takes out his frustration, his pain, his psychosis not only by preventing crime, but by inflicting pain. Its not enough to break up a crime, to serve up criminals on a platter for the police, he enjoys breaking them, extracting intelligence by almost any means, and compound fractures are common. Much darker, savage, and probably realistic as to how his mental issues would play out. This Batman does not operate under the same constraints as others. He is more akin to the Batman Begins Batman- "I'm not going to kill you. But I don't have to save you.. He does whatever it takes to get the job done, and while he doesnt directly kill anyone, his actions when observed by the viewer, would lead you to believe that if a criminal dies through some indirect action, so be it. Batman doesnt care one way or another. This creates a great contrast to Batmans foe, Superman.
Superman could not be played better by anyone currently acting then Henry Cavill. While he doesnt have the sense of playfulness of Christopher Reeves Clark Kent, Cavills strength lies in playing the Superman side. He has the look, a stoic business like demeanor, is not all invincible and convincingly seems to feel pain, and struggle in battle at times. He loves his family, Lois, and wants to help others. In this movie, his is both the weakest portrayal and yet carries the weight of the world on his shoulders. He struggles with his role in the world, and Cavill is not at his best. Im not sure if its the script, the grim tone, but I felt he was better in Man of Steel (MoS). Hes good, just not great. Id like to see him use more of the personality he showed in his Man from U.N.C.L.E. role for his Clark Kent.
Clark is very underserved in this movie through no fault of Cavill. Of the three icons in this movie, he was the third best portrayal.
The second best was Gal Gadots Diana Prince/Wonder Woman. She moves in and out of the first two acts as a mysterious figure who one ups Bruce Wayne. Shes clever, beautiful, and you want to know more about her. Gadot is gorgeous, lets face it, that was the main reason she was cast. Yet, I thought her acting was good, shes interesting, and she holds your attention. She trained for months for the role and it shows. When she finally shows up in armor to battle, you buy in. As the villain throws her back, and just before she runs back at him, she shows a sly smirk - this Wonder Woman enjoys the challenge - she IS a warrior. She is a refreshing addition and shows up in time to help bring some light to the darkness. I actually came away interested in seeing more Wonder Woman (anymore of her would be good, feel free to give Gadot my number). Batman and Wonder Woman find they have a common foe.
Lex Luthor was much better than in the trailers. In some ways Lex is more like Batman - tortured by his past( for Lex, an abusive father) with the real Lex Luthor. This is Lexs son. Jesse Isenberg obviously studied the modern, mildly Asperger, young, tech startup CEO types and incorporates their arrogant, immature, socially awkward personalities into his Lex Jr. Yes, there are some leaps of logic in how his character comes to use Kryptonian tech so easily but, its a comic book movie. You dont have time to establish every nuance. Both Batman and Wonder Woman have their sights on him for different reasons.
The supporting cast did their jobs well. There were no weaknesses. Laurence Fishbourne is good, Holly Hunter was great as a Senator questioning Supermans power and motivations. Irons makes a great Alfred, grizzled and wise while adding a hint of levity through sardonic comments. Amy Adams is okay(more damsel in distress than a key character). Diane Lane and Kevin Costner reprise their roles as Clarks adoptive parents and easily pick up where they left off in MoS. Diane even gets a nice moment with Batman that will make you grin. Yes, its corny, but fun.
The story is what make or breaks most movies. This movie is no different. I cant imagine how you can write a script to make Superman interesting or to make him feel in danger. Not to mention setting up a cinematic universe, incorporating Batman and Wonder Woman, while presenting a new take on Lex Luther. For the most part, the script works. Bruce Waynes concern for what happened in Metropolis in MoS, leads him on a journey. The first act is more like a mystery/detective movie. You see the Dark Knight using his skills as a detective to unravel the mystery of Superman, human trafficking, and anything else he can find. It reminded me of classic film noir in some ways. What he stumbles onto is a greater mystery than even he expected. He learns characters motivations, discovers a mysterious woman who weaves in and out of his world and gets the drop on him, and plots and plans for the future. His concern abut the danger of Superman leads him to find ways to combat such a figure. He cant just protect Gotham, he has to protect the world. Superman struggles with being both deified and reviled. He certainly does not like Batmans brutality which now includes branding criminals with a bat emblem. We see a news report that says the brand is like a death warrant when a criminal goes to prison. A perfect example of how we see that Batman may not kill directly, his actions can lead to that and he doesnt care of way or another. This flies in contrast to to Superman and leads to a showdown. How it comes about is VERY convenient, but like Batman, you dont mess with Supermans family.
The showdown is what you expect, Batman using his wits, technology, and everything he can think of. We see how he prepares, from working out, to developing special weapons to exploit Supermans weaknesses. When it comes together, Batman is even more impressive. The battle is great, full of anger from both, and serious beat downs are dished out. In the end, its a shared connection, the Martha element, and Batman recognizing Supermans humanity, that reach deep into Batmans psyche and ends the battle (Batman does get an answer to his earlier question of Superman - Tell me. Do you bleed?). The Martha element was a risky move but Synder pulled it off. It also explains why the movie starts with the flashback to Batmans parents death - so people see Martha Wayne. The final battle emerges after the show down and the two become allies. Its awfully convenient but what can you do in a movie like this? Diana Prince shows up in full Wonder Woman mode to assist. She is awesome.
This leads me to the criticisms by the critics. The move is not a mess, its a detective story for about half the movie, a little more even. Is it slow? Yes, it's a long, slow burn. It is focused and sets up the third act pretty well. It makes sense. Luthers motivations dont entirely, he seems more like Batman in that he doesnt trust a red caped, all powerful being running around, leveling cities, and creating tons of damage. Batman is true to form. The battle between Superman and Batman is the highlight. The final battle is saved by Wonder Womans appearance but is a typical over CGId Synder battle.
I dont agree with critics that DC threw in everything but the kitchen sink. I think it was far from that. Oh, there are some plot holes and some head scratchers, but nothing that warrants the largely negative reviews. With so many storylines stunning through the movie, it would appear to most as too many endings syndrome but it all makes sense with so many narratives running parallel through the film that needed to be tied up and set the table for Justice League. Every movie has issues and one area where the critics have a point is how grim and dark the movie is. It is heavy, characters brood, lots of night shots; from the dark pallet, to Batmans actions, its not a light, sunny movie. The movie makes The Dark Knight look like Captain America: The First Avenger. It worked for me but could have been lighter in spots and I think it would have helped. A bit more humor, a little less scowling, a few more jokes from Alfred, more sarcasm. Batman figures heavily in the tone.
This Batman is older, grizzled, and battle weary. I would almost say, after the watching his parents murder, the burning of Wayne Manor, Robins death at the hands of the Joker, weariness from the twenty year never ending battle with criminals, to Superman/Zods semi leveling of Metropolis, this Batman has something akin to PTSD. Hes seen so much evil that he sees no good anywhere. His world view is completely pessimistic and jaded. Superman personifies and is the ultimate expression of the clear and present danger that exists. Batman must take it on. This is the deciding factor in the tone. This movie is more about Batman than Superman through 2/3 of the movie, yet its Superman who makes the most impact in the end.
I loved it. The second viewing was even better. In an objective view, its good not great. I was so excited during the first half I started texting people - What are critics talking about? This is great! The critics wanted a Marvel movie, instead they got something more unique that has it's own tone and voice. Go see it. Form your own opinion. Enjoy every minute of it - I did.



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1:14AM on 03/29/2016
Thank you. I agree with you so damn much.
Thank you. I agree with you so damn much.
10:42AM on 03/29/2016
Thanks!!
Thanks!!
2:11PM on 03/28/2016
I liked all the characters, and this Batman was my favorite variation of the character. I liked the style and characters, even Lex (kind of). However, the story, editing, script, and music was bad. It made more anxious for Suicide Squad and more Batman. To me, this is thee Batman.
I liked all the characters, and this Batman was my favorite variation of the character. I liked the style and characters, even Lex (kind of). However, the story, editing, script, and music was bad. It made more anxious for Suicide Squad and more Batman. To me, this is thee Batman.
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1:32PM on 03/28/2016
It's discouraging to see how low the standards apparently are among JoBlo's readership. This movie was bad bad bad a mess on every level, from the shoddy script on up to Jesse Eisenberg's cringe-worthy performance. I can understand someone still *enjoying* it, having a fun time seeing these two iconic characters onscreen together for the first time; but the fact that anyone can think this is an objectively "good" movie is mind-boggling to me.
It's discouraging to see how low the standards apparently are among JoBlo's readership. This movie was bad bad bad a mess on every level, from the shoddy script on up to Jesse Eisenberg's cringe-worthy performance. I can understand someone still *enjoying* it, having a fun time seeing these two iconic characters onscreen together for the first time; but the fact that anyone can think this is an objectively "good" movie is mind-boggling to me.
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3:18PM on 03/28/2016
Agreed
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8:07PM on 03/28/2016
The reason that it's mind boggling to you is that you erroneously conflate personal taste with an objective standard.

It may not be Citizen Cane, but it's certainly not Episode VII either.
The reason that it's mind boggling to you is that you erroneously conflate personal taste with an objective standard.

It may not be Citizen Cane, but it's certainly not Episode VII either.
8:08PM on 03/28/2016
Everyone has a right to their personal taste and opinion. I am just the opposite, I don't see what these big script issues are. Eisenberg was a great personification of the modern, young, arrogant, socially awkward tech start up CEO - in my opinion.

Everyone has a right to their personal taste and opinion. I am just the opposite, I don't see what these big script issues are. Eisenberg was a great personification of the modern, young, arrogant, socially awkward tech start up CEO - in my opinion.

12:47PM on 03/31/2016
Finally saw it and I couldn't agree more! I'm at a loss as to why people love it, not like, love. I guess it's because explosions, guitar riff, explosions, capes?? I myself watch movies for story, that's what really matters. I've been a DC geek all my life and DC was always about story, this ain't DC, this is DC for nickleback fans. Some of the worst writing I've seen in a long time. It's a shame too because Affleck and Gadot were excellent, just wasted in this trash
Finally saw it and I couldn't agree more! I'm at a loss as to why people love it, not like, love. I guess it's because explosions, guitar riff, explosions, capes?? I myself watch movies for story, that's what really matters. I've been a DC geek all my life and DC was always about story, this ain't DC, this is DC for nickleback fans. Some of the worst writing I've seen in a long time. It's a shame too because Affleck and Gadot were excellent, just wasted in this trash
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10:49AM on 03/28/2016

watchable, but...

It;s not fantastic. It's very clunky. There isn't much segway between scenes. Lex is more annoying, than menacing. Afleck and Cavill have almost no chemistry, and Doomsday is completely wasted as a villain.
It;s not fantastic. It's very clunky. There isn't much segway between scenes. Lex is more annoying, than menacing. Afleck and Cavill have almost no chemistry, and Doomsday is completely wasted as a villain.
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10:41AM on 03/28/2016
Loved it. I was skeptical of Affleck's casting when it was announced, but dammit if he didn't pull off a great version of Batman. Eisenberg wasn't nearly as irritating as reviews have made him out to be. They still should have gone a different direction with Lex though. There could have maybe been one more stand alone Superman film before this, which would have given them more time to explore the questions of Superman's morality, and the need for such all-powerful heroes. Despite the many
Loved it. I was skeptical of Affleck's casting when it was announced, but dammit if he didn't pull off a great version of Batman. Eisenberg wasn't nearly as irritating as reviews have made him out to be. They still should have gone a different direction with Lex though. There could have maybe been one more stand alone Superman film before this, which would have given them more time to explore the questions of Superman's morality, and the need for such all-powerful heroes. Despite the many flaws, this was a great time at the movies. Can't wait to see what else the DC Cinematic Universe has in store.
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10:36AM on 03/28/2016

Gave me goosbumps

Loved loved loved
Loved loved loved
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10:34AM on 03/28/2016

Aweeeesommme

Best batman ,wonderwoman and flash gave me goosebumps. I don't what people r yapping abt what I saw was super. Alfred was perfect by Jeremy irons
Best batman ,wonderwoman and flash gave me goosebumps. I don't what people r yapping abt what I saw was super. Alfred was perfect by Jeremy irons
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10:26AM on 03/28/2016

it's a fan movie...

Batman: What's a sweet name for a mom?
Batman, Superman: Martha?
Superman: [stomps foot] What?
Batman: Did we just become best friends?
Superman: Yep!
[they high five each other]
Batman: Do you wanna do karate in the Batcave?
Superman: Yep!

anyway...it's a mix for me. but i still like it. it's a good mix.
Batman: What's a sweet name for a mom?
Batman, Superman: Martha?
Superman: [stomps foot] What?
Batman: Did we just become best friends?
Superman: Yep!
[they high five each other]
Batman: Do you wanna do karate in the Batcave?
Superman: Yep!

anyway...it's a mix for me. but i still like it. it's a good mix.
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10:34AM on 03/28/2016
Martha was a totally psychological trigger for Batman. At first he believes Superman is toying with him then he comes to realize Superman's humanity. It wasn't instant either like many comments make it seem to be. It worked very well, I can't believe the complaints about that scene.
Martha was a totally psychological trigger for Batman. At first he believes Superman is toying with him then he comes to realize Superman's humanity. It wasn't instant either like many comments make it seem to be. It worked very well, I can't believe the complaints about that scene.
3:16AM on 03/29/2016
sigh...i know that...it's so obvious. was i complaining?
sigh...i know that...it's so obvious. was i complaining?
5:50AM on 03/29/2016
I am. Didn't buy it for a second. Would you stop being angry at a person who you thought was responsible for the death of innocent life because he seems human?
I am. Didn't buy it for a second. Would you stop being angry at a person who you thought was responsible for the death of innocent life because he seems human?
9:43AM on 03/28/2016

Ugh...

I went into this movie with no expectations, as to give it a chance. Ben Affleck made a great Batman, but a lousy Bruce Wayne. The costume design was awesome this go around with the Bat Suit/Bat Armor. Superman was Superman, nothing wrong with him. Wonder Woman was awesome (definitely needed to let her shine some more. The action was shot like a Bayformers movie when they went up against "Doomsday" (I mean Ninja Turtle crossed with the Goblin King from The Hobbit). Honestly, it was just boring.
I went into this movie with no expectations, as to give it a chance. Ben Affleck made a great Batman, but a lousy Bruce Wayne. The costume design was awesome this go around with the Bat Suit/Bat Armor. Superman was Superman, nothing wrong with him. Wonder Woman was awesome (definitely needed to let her shine some more. The action was shot like a Bayformers movie when they went up against "Doomsday" (I mean Ninja Turtle crossed with the Goblin King from The Hobbit). Honestly, it was just boring. There was hardly any character development and the exposition was so poor. It was all fluff. I do have to say I really enjoyed Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor. The only real standouts were Wonder Woman and Lex Luthor. Even the way they introduced the Meta Humans was so lazy. It was just so rushed. Superman's arc was definitely rushed. Batman had an 80's style montage of doing cross-fit, instead of us getting more focus on his gadgets, but oh no cram down my throat , once again that his parents were murdered in front of him. He was bad-ass though fighting to save Martha Kent. Wish we got more of that from Batman. I think by now, the whole Bruce Wayne's parents dying, is actually embedded in our DNA or part of the collective consciousness. In the end, this movie really could have worked if they didn't try to fill it to the brim with characters and lazy exposition. I am sure there is a way to make it work, without laying the groundwork for only one character (Suicide Squad looks like it may achieve it), but this failed miserably. The movie just spent to much time being annoyingly ominous, and when you explain nothing, you run the risk of being boring. I heard that 45 minutes were cut from the film. I don't know if that is true, but by the looks of it...they definitely cut the wrong 45 minutes. Also, Snyder need to stop focusing on trying to make every frame a stylized painting. We get it. OK. We get it. You like to make things dark and pretty. 3/10.
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10:28AM on 03/28/2016
Youdo realize the whole point of the Bruce Wyane parent murder was setting up the end of the Supes/Bats fight? Not everyone is well versed in the comics and would not have understood that scene.
Youdo realize the whole point of the Bruce Wyane parent murder was setting up the end of the Supes/Bats fight? Not everyone is well versed in the comics and would not have understood that scene.
10:42AM on 03/28/2016
@Michaelb1492 I get that. OK, you are right about that. I'll give that to you, but the movie was just rushed. There were some things that were good about the movie, but they pail in comparison to the lazy writing or cuts that were made. It's just unfortunate how the movie went down. I do think when all of the characters are together in JL, it will be better. But this was just a mess of a movie.
@Michaelb1492 I get that. OK, you are right about that. I'll give that to you, but the movie was just rushed. There were some things that were good about the movie, but they pail in comparison to the lazy writing or cuts that were made. It's just unfortunate how the movie went down. I do think when all of the characters are together in JL, it will be better. But this was just a mess of a movie.
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9:23AM on 03/28/2016

MEH...

How I feel about all of Zack Snyder's films. It had it's moments.
How I feel about all of Zack Snyder's films. It had it's moments.
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9:12AM on 03/28/2016
Got to say, I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Certainly had its flaws but Affleck brought it. He pulled it off and should of at least silenced his critics. I firmly believe the marketing effort for this movie hurt it (particularly the reveals in trailers) but all things considered it had a veteran hardened Batman; he was enough to definitely make it better than MOS for me (Which I did not like).
Got to say, I enjoyed it more than I thought I would. Certainly had its flaws but Affleck brought it. He pulled it off and should of at least silenced his critics. I firmly believe the marketing effort for this movie hurt it (particularly the reveals in trailers) but all things considered it had a veteran hardened Batman; he was enough to definitely make it better than MOS for me (Which I did not like).
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10:29AM on 03/28/2016
Yes, good point. They should never have shown WW or Doomsday in the trailers.
Yes, good point. They should never have shown WW or Doomsday in the trailers.
9:00AM on 03/28/2016
Saw it yesterday. Went in with the lowest of expectations and I'm sorry but I absolutely loved it. I hated MOS too and what Zack did to the tone of Superman but to me BvS just worked throughout. My only gripe was how terrible Flash looks. I'll even say that Doomsday wasn't nearly as "cartoony" as the trailers made him out.
Saw it yesterday. Went in with the lowest of expectations and I'm sorry but I absolutely loved it. I hated MOS too and what Zack did to the tone of Superman but to me BvS just worked throughout. My only gripe was how terrible Flash looks. I'll even say that Doomsday wasn't nearly as "cartoony" as the trailers made him out.
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7:20AM on 03/28/2016
It felt like three movies in one- a Batman reboot, a MOS sequel and a Justice League prequel- which I think is exactly what they were going for. Could have been a heluva lot worse but nowhere near as bad as the critics are calling it. 6/10
It felt like three movies in one- a Batman reboot, a MOS sequel and a Justice League prequel- which I think is exactly what they were going for. Could have been a heluva lot worse but nowhere near as bad as the critics are calling it. 6/10
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5:27AM on 03/28/2016
Haven't seen it probably won't in theaters but something that strikes me is that almost every single review good or bad has the disclaimer in it somewhere that "this movie has its flaws", or "sure it wasn't great", etc. And that just proves to me that even fanboys are having issues, so a normal not fanboy like me would probably have more than a few problems with the film. Just an observation.
Haven't seen it probably won't in theaters but something that strikes me is that almost every single review good or bad has the disclaimer in it somewhere that "this movie has its flaws", or "sure it wasn't great", etc. And that just proves to me that even fanboys are having issues, so a normal not fanboy like me would probably have more than a few problems with the film. Just an observation.
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4:19AM on 03/28/2016

Honestly...

I'm not really sure what to think . It definitely has it's own vibe. It has some nice bright spots and elements, it is a bit of a mess and definitely has some issues. It's somehow not remotely as bad as everyone said but also as much of a mess as everyone said at the same time.
I'm not really sure what to think . It definitely has it's own vibe. It has some nice bright spots and elements, it is a bit of a mess and definitely has some issues. It's somehow not remotely as bad as everyone said but also as much of a mess as everyone said at the same time.
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12:00AM on 03/28/2016
Awful convoluted mess! Movie sucked ass.
Awful convoluted mess! Movie sucked ass.
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9:23PM on 03/27/2016

Basically a good film

Basically a good film with some flaws that do not detract to what the premise of what the film is about. But all these CBM have flaws. What I think.... Superman is still confused to how he fits in to the world even though he still tries to do good. Does the world still trust him? Batman is driven and ruthless . Spoilers, spoilers His fighting sequences have been taken straight out of a comic book. Amazing fighter just as he should be. Dream sequence with flying creatures and some guy who I
Basically a good film with some flaws that do not detract to what the premise of what the film is about. But all these CBM have flaws. What I think.... Superman is still confused to how he fits in to the world even though he still tries to do good. Does the world still trust him? Batman is driven and ruthless . Spoilers, spoilers His fighting sequences have been taken straight out of a comic book. Amazing fighter just as he should be. Dream sequence with flying creatures and some guy who I found out later was the Flash (in the light) from the future was slightly confusing but I understood it, some people might not of . Overall 8.5/10
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8:01PM on 03/27/2016
Not the best superhero movie ever... but a really cool one. Minor problems yes, but nothing terrible. My only problem was the fight with Doomsday, not because of the monster or the cgi, just because I don`t think it was necessary. The conflict between Batman & Superman could be used during the entire movie. 80% of the film was great in my opinion, the fight with Doomsday was rushed. Luthor was a little weird, but I like most of it. 8/10.
Not the best superhero movie ever... but a really cool one. Minor problems yes, but nothing terrible. My only problem was the fight with Doomsday, not because of the monster or the cgi, just because I don`t think it was necessary. The conflict between Batman & Superman could be used during the entire movie. 80% of the film was great in my opinion, the fight with Doomsday was rushed. Luthor was a little weird, but I like most of it. 8/10.
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6:46PM on 03/27/2016
Minor spoilers...Had my 2nd viewing this morning, still really like it. Definite flow issues, but really the major action pieces are worth the price of admission alone. I found the cat and mouse stuff in the first half between all the major players more interesting as I knew where it was going. Lex grew on me quite a bit. And the Martha thing...I looked at it this time as being more of a trigger of his dying father's last words than the mothers having the same name. Made much more sense,
Minor spoilers...Had my 2nd viewing this morning, still really like it. Definite flow issues, but really the major action pieces are worth the price of admission alone. I found the cat and mouse stuff in the first half between all the major players more interesting as I knew where it was going. Lex grew on me quite a bit. And the Martha thing...I looked at it this time as being more of a trigger of his dying father's last words than the mothers having the same name. Made much more sense, to me at least. Still think the instant "best pals" thing was really awkward though. I stick by my 7.5/ 10.
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10:31AM on 03/28/2016
Martha was a totally psychological trigger for Batman. At first he believes Superman is toying with him then he comes to realize Superman's humanity. It wasn't instant either like many comments make it seem to be. It worked very well, I can't believe the complaints about that scene.
Martha was a totally psychological trigger for Batman. At first he believes Superman is toying with him then he comes to realize Superman's humanity. It wasn't instant either like many comments make it seem to be. It worked very well, I can't believe the complaints about that scene.
6:42PM on 03/27/2016

Great Time at the Movies

I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. I did think there were definitely some issues with pacing and Lex Luthor was just horribly cast. Other than that, the big Batman/Superman showdown was fantastic and Wonder Woman absolutely sold the movie for me. I was iffy on the Gal casting but she did a fantastic job and I am looking forward to the WW solo flick. I give it a solid 7/10. Bring on the justice league.
I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. I did think there were definitely some issues with pacing and Lex Luthor was just horribly cast. Other than that, the big Batman/Superman showdown was fantastic and Wonder Woman absolutely sold the movie for me. I was iffy on the Gal casting but she did a fantastic job and I am looking forward to the WW solo flick. I give it a solid 7/10. Bring on the justice league.
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6:28PM on 03/27/2016

Snyder apologist and even I disliked it

If you want to make Frank Miller's Dark Knight it just make that movie. If you want to make Justice League just make that. Don't shoe horn it into sloppy script that makes it all a mess. All else fails fix the god awful pace and structure of this movie. Move the bat vs sups conflict up front, then move I to a reconciliation where the heroes reailize they made a mistake and have to work together, then have Superman neutralized and Batman has to get Justice League together to save the day. You
If you want to make Frank Miller's Dark Knight it just make that movie. If you want to make Justice League just make that. Don't shoe horn it into sloppy script that makes it all a mess. All else fails fix the god awful pace and structure of this movie. Move the bat vs sups conflict up front, then move I to a reconciliation where the heroes reailize they made a mistake and have to work together, then have Superman neutralized and Batman has to get Justice League together to save the day. You could even cram in the nonsense nightmare sequence in the credits to cap off a much better movie. How about you also give us a little back story as to why Batman is all of a sudden homicidal maniac!?!
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5:15PM on 03/27/2016

Meh

This movie could of been much better, all it has going for it is some of the effects and acting. There seemed to be a lot of scenes that seemed unnecessary mostly in the first 1hr 45Mins to 2hrs of the film and there seemed to be times where its almost like they handed the camera over a kid to film some scenes as it was very shaky (I expect the shakiness in found footage films but this not one of those films). The scene where bats are flying around Bruce Wayne as a kid raising him up in the
This movie could of been much better, all it has going for it is some of the effects and acting. There seemed to be a lot of scenes that seemed unnecessary mostly in the first 1hr 45Mins to 2hrs of the film and there seemed to be times where its almost like they handed the camera over a kid to film some scenes as it was very shaky (I expect the shakiness in found footage films but this not one of those films). The scene where bats are flying around Bruce Wayne as a kid raising him up in the updraft was hilarious, in the scene there no signs of wind and looked fake. There must of been at least half of the theatre of people laughing at that scene. Also there is fight scene where Batman is fighting and seemed slow (not slow mo just slow fighting) realistically anyone fighting someone at that speed shouldn't have any troubles at all. The movie is just a big mess, a lot of the scenes that were thrown at us wasn't explained which is why it felt like fillers and that the movie originally revolved around the final battle at the end. Not counting this but on a biased note I do not like Jesse Eisenberg's version of Lex Luther. I was also very unsatisfied with Man of Steel and just noticed that aside from the actors a lot of the same people were involved in both films (director, writers and producers etc). Maybe they should be think about making sure these movies are in better hands.
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9:22AM on 03/28/2016
Unholy, the scene with the bats surrounding Bruce and raising was clearly a dream. He literally woke up and even said he had the "dream again"
Unholy, the scene with the bats surrounding Bruce and raising was clearly a dream. He literally woke up and even said he had the "dream again"
5:05PM on 03/27/2016

LOVED it!!

Really do not understand the negativity, the only reason i can think of is that people are too spoiled with movies, we expect everything to be the next Dark Knight, and the next T2.
This movie was GREAT. Here's my review: [link]
Really do not understand the negativity, the only reason i can think of is that people are too spoiled with movies, we expect everything to be the next Dark Knight, and the next T2.
This movie was GREAT. Here's my review: [link]
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4:53PM on 03/27/2016

I loved it!

I really don't understand the terrible critical response to this movie. It's not perfect, but the performances across the board range from solid to great (except for the horrible Eisenberg). Affleck is definitely a contender for best live action Batman so far. I loved the DCEU world building. WW and Superman were wonderful too. Full disclosure, I'd like to think I have pretty decent movie tastes so I'm not gonna give a terrible movie a free pass because I'm a DC fan. Fantastic Four, X3, the
I really don't understand the terrible critical response to this movie. It's not perfect, but the performances across the board range from solid to great (except for the horrible Eisenberg). Affleck is definitely a contender for best live action Batman so far. I loved the DCEU world building. WW and Superman were wonderful too. Full disclosure, I'd like to think I have pretty decent movie tastes so I'm not gonna give a terrible movie a free pass because I'm a DC fan. Fantastic Four, X3, the first Wolverine, these are horrendous comic book movies. BvS is pretty darn great. Keep an open mind and give it a shot, I think most people will be surprised how good it is.
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4:15PM on 03/27/2016
why does there have to be a constant d*** measuring contest between Marvel and DC fans? Why does there have to be a "better" side? Both have great characters we know and love, can't we just be happy they are being put on screen for us? DC has always been a more mature, Marvel much more kid friendly. So it makes sense that the DC cinematic universe be much darker than Marvels. Batman is not Spider-Man, having him crack one liners for laughs would NOT work, and neither is superman for that
why does there have to be a constant d*** measuring contest between Marvel and DC fans? Why does there have to be a "better" side? Both have great characters we know and love, can't we just be happy they are being put on screen for us? DC has always been a more mature, Marvel much more kid friendly. So it makes sense that the DC cinematic universe be much darker than Marvels. Batman is not Spider-Man, having him crack one liners for laughs would NOT work, and neither is superman for that matter. People need to stop acting like these movies affect their lives in any way and learn to appreciate how fortunate we are to be getting these characters brought to life for us! Our parents had Adam West, we have Batman and Superman fighting Doomsday! Yet we have so many people here complaining and nitpicking every little thing they can. I'm so sorry this movie wasn't up to your impeccable standards. No movie is perfect, but I just went into DC's world for 2-1/2 hours and had a damn good time, I can't wait to go back in!
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3:40PM on 03/27/2016

Overall I was entertained

I'm not one to nit-pick and run over every scene with a fine toothed comb. I thought the film delivered ecactly what I expected. I don't need intro stories for most of these characters, I think by now we all know how these superheroes were developed. I have 2 main issues, #1 Doomsday looked too much like Abomination or something out of lord of the rings. Snyder definitely could've used some input on that. And # 2, they should have stuck to the animated movies and made lex more savy and
I'm not one to nit-pick and run over every scene with a fine toothed comb. I thought the film delivered ecactly what I expected. I don't need intro stories for most of these characters, I think by now we all know how these superheroes were developed. I have 2 main issues, #1 Doomsday looked too much like Abomination or something out of lord of the rings. Snyder definitely could've used some input on that. And # 2, they should have stuck to the animated movies and made lex more savy and tactical. The performance by Eisenberg was the worst part for me. But looking back at older reviews on this site, BvS was definitely better than the likes of Antman and the last 2 Iron man movies. And I believe those movies got far better reviews. I think all the hate comes from the lofty expectations.
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3:09PM on 03/27/2016
Zack Snyder must be really lousy in bed, cause he sure knows you to make you feel NOTHING!

That said, I didn't mind the movie, It's a nice start to the DCEU, I am all for the DCEU but you cant walk away with the feeling that it could have been so much better. The casting choices so far have been very impressive, but the idea that Zackie boy is going to direct Justice League Part I and II is a little off putting.
Zack Snyder must be really lousy in bed, cause he sure knows you to make you feel NOTHING!

That said, I didn't mind the movie, It's a nice start to the DCEU, I am all for the DCEU but you cant walk away with the feeling that it could have been so much better. The casting choices so far have been very impressive, but the idea that Zackie boy is going to direct Justice League Part I and II is a little off putting.
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1:44PM on 03/27/2016

Messy

Regarding the story, I thought this was a mess. It seems like too many stories were being forced into one. I wish DC would have used separate movies to present a more coherent story arc.
1. A Dark Knight Returns-type story to introduce Affleck's Batman. Then Leto's Joker could also be introduced and we could see the Batman vs. Superman fight. That is where I thought this was going, but that story gets overshadowed by everything else.
2. I thought Wonder Woman was great. She should have
Regarding the story, I thought this was a mess. It seems like too many stories were being forced into one. I wish DC would have used separate movies to present a more coherent story arc.
1. A Dark Knight Returns-type story to introduce Affleck's Batman. Then Leto's Joker could also be introduced and we could see the Batman vs. Superman fight. That is where I thought this was going, but that story gets overshadowed by everything else.
2. I thought Wonder Woman was great. She should have had her own film before this.
3. Doomsday should be a stand-alone story.
4. Then make a Dawn of Justice that introduces Flash, Cyborg, and Aquaman.
- Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice was just too much to fully process.
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1:16PM on 03/27/2016

Loved it!!!!!

I greatly enjoyed the film. Overall enjoyable performances including Lex. I like the serious gritty nature of the DCU as a counter balance to the more upbeat MCU.
I greatly enjoyed the film. Overall enjoyable performances including Lex. I like the serious gritty nature of the DCU as a counter balance to the more upbeat MCU.
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12:56PM on 03/27/2016
Zack Snyder has always been an impressive visual director but every movie he makes now seems to be more disconnected from good storytelling, and even humanity. I was so bored throughout most of the first half that I was anxiously awaiting the action... which consists of Bats and Supes fighting for maybe five minutes before a ridiculous, garish CGI climax that's less involving than the one from Man of Steel. Get rid of him.
Zack Snyder has always been an impressive visual director but every movie he makes now seems to be more disconnected from good storytelling, and even humanity. I was so bored throughout most of the first half that I was anxiously awaiting the action... which consists of Bats and Supes fighting for maybe five minutes before a ridiculous, garish CGI climax that's less involving than the one from Man of Steel. Get rid of him.
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12:42PM on 03/27/2016

I loved the film, but I can admit problems

I honestly had a really good time at this movie, but after thinking about it for a while, I can see some problems.

The first is the villain Lex Luthor. It seemed like they were trying to out-Heath Ledger here, and that's one of my beefs with villains in super hero movies in general. Many times, the actor plays the Joker no matter what villain they are. I would have preferred a more intelligent and self disciplined Luthor along the lines of what we saw in Smallville. Rather than have a
I honestly had a really good time at this movie, but after thinking about it for a while, I can see some problems.

The first is the villain Lex Luthor. It seemed like they were trying to out-Heath Ledger here, and that's one of my beefs with villains in super hero movies in general. Many times, the actor plays the Joker no matter what villain they are. I would have preferred a more intelligent and self disciplined Luthor along the lines of what we saw in Smallville. Rather than have a spoiled hipster pull strings because he wants to see the greatest WWE title match, I think a better option to give Batman a motivation to kill Superman would be to have Lex appeal to Batman, perhaps give him inside information about Kryptonians in general, give him some biased and distorted information to make Batman see Superman as an existential threat.

I think they needed to come up with a better reason to stop the fight than hearing the name "Martha." Not sure what that might be, but this did feel a little contrived. Maybe Wonder Woman could enter here with information clarifying things for Batman, to get these two to stop fighting or something.

Speaking of Wonder Woman, I'm not sure what her purpose in the films was. She stole something from the part/charity event, not sure what it was, or why she needed to be in the movie, except to be there to fight at the end. Ultimately I think the writers needed to find a better reason for Wonder Woman to be there.

I know Batman killing people is supposed to be some kind of issue, but frankly I don't have a problem with it. First of all, if you're going to engage in that kind of combat where your assailants are trying to kill you, over the course of 20 years, you're going to kill some folks. Secondly, and I could be wrong, the sequence where Batman uses a gun was a dream sequence. It would make sense to me that a character who restrains himself from using guns and killing people might lose those restraints and unleash himself in his dreams as a way to cope with that kind of stress.

I have to wonder if the extended version on DVD will rectify some of these issues. In any case, regardless of the issues, I really did enjoy this movie a lot. I thought it was more thought provoking that some detractors are giving it credit for, where it explored the notion of how human beings might handle the coming of an alien to this world, particularly a seemingly omnipotent alien. It was thankfully devoid of soap opera nonsense masquerading as character development, and the female characters were mercifully not Mary Sues.
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5:44PM on 03/27/2016
Just want to address the Martha issue. I actually teared up a bit. It's not really about the names being similar. This is the moment Batman sees Superman as the son of someone instead of an alien invader and also sees him as a Man who wants to save lives no matter the cost, something he would've done anything to do to save his family. Plus Lois pleading to spare him shows another loving human connection.

I think it's def too soon for him to say to Martha "I'm a friend of your son's"

But I
Just want to address the Martha issue. I actually teared up a bit. It's not really about the names being similar. This is the moment Batman sees Superman as the son of someone instead of an alien invader and also sees him as a Man who wants to save lives no matter the cost, something he would've done anything to do to save his family. Plus Lois pleading to spare him shows another loving human connection.

I think it's def too soon for him to say to Martha "I'm a friend of your son's"

But I thought it was a great way to stop the fight.
10:23PM on 03/27/2016
You might be right. I'm definitely going to watch this one more than once, which is strange considering that I didn't really care for Man of Steel all that much. The biggest problem this film might have had was LEx Luthor. The more I think about it, the more I think they should have gone with some second string villain since there was so much other stuff going on, and save Lex for another movie. This Lex felt like a TV series CW villain, rather than a ci
You might be right. I'm definitely going to watch this one more than once, which is strange considering that I didn't really care for Man of Steel all that much. The biggest problem this film might have had was LEx Luthor. The more I think about it, the more I think they should have gone with some second string villain since there was so much other stuff going on, and save Lex for another movie. This Lex felt like a TV series CW villain, rather than a ci
9:05AM on 03/28/2016
Holy Shit Jekkie! I literally said the same thing word for word to my family last night after they were nitpicking the "Martha" scene.
Holy Shit Jekkie! I literally said the same thing word for word to my family last night after they were nitpicking the "Martha" scene.
12:36PM on 03/27/2016

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Releasing this movie on Good Friday/Easter weekend was a beautiful stroke of genius for anyone who can see the blatant Jesus parallels with Superman
Releasing this movie on Good Friday/Easter weekend was a beautiful stroke of genius for anyone who can see the blatant Jesus parallels with Superman
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12:27PM on 03/27/2016
Batman v Superman on course for record $172m opening weekend despite terrible reviews

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3:14PM on 03/27/2016
It's Batman VS Superman so of course it's going to do well...Duh?
It's Batman VS Superman so of course it's going to do well...Duh?
12:19PM on 03/27/2016

Woah

Totally stunned that Joblo.com users have given this 75% positive! I love that we all don't agree with each other always, it would be really boring if we did, but this movie had so many flaws in regards to story telling and direction that it's shocking to see how many people are easily pleased. Don't see how people can complain about poorly put together movies when so many eat this shit up with glee. Both these characters are epic and deserved so much better. Zach Snyder really needs to be
Totally stunned that Joblo.com users have given this 75% positive! I love that we all don't agree with each other always, it would be really boring if we did, but this movie had so many flaws in regards to story telling and direction that it's shocking to see how many people are easily pleased. Don't see how people can complain about poorly put together movies when so many eat this shit up with glee. Both these characters are epic and deserved so much better. Zach Snyder really needs to be banned from directing. Happy that some people managed to enjoy it, such a better feeling to come out with, but movie goers really deserve better than this.
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1:13PM on 03/27/2016
Banned from directing? 300, Watchmen, Man Of Steel, Dawn of the Dead? No i want more films from Zach. I was disappointed with BvS but it was more to do with what he did with Man Of Steel. Man of Steel took its time with the story, this kept moving and moving. I think they should have tried to distance themselves and called this Justice League. It is a disappointing Man of Steel sequel, but a solid start for Justice League series. And maybe that is the issue, eliminate all the
Banned from directing? 300, Watchmen, Man Of Steel, Dawn of the Dead? No i want more films from Zach. I was disappointed with BvS but it was more to do with what he did with Man Of Steel. Man of Steel took its time with the story, this kept moving and moving. I think they should have tried to distance themselves and called this Justice League. It is a disappointing Man of Steel sequel, but a solid start for Justice League series. And maybe that is the issue, eliminate all the Justice League stuff, which would give the film room to breathe and this might have been a great Man of Steel Sequel. I think Nolan's lack of involvement hurt this movie. I think he deflected the studio's wishes....Snyder couldnt deflect and he has to cram all this together. Maybe the directors cut will be better. And if it is then they need to take the leash off Snyder.

I put this with Sucker Punch as a solid movie, just missing something to make it great.
4:49PM on 03/27/2016
Yea, that's have a director who uses he same exact visual style despite different stories, besides Dawn of the Dead. Snyder had promise, but he's squandered it repeatedly.
Yea, that's have a director who uses he same exact visual style despite different stories, besides Dawn of the Dead. Snyder had promise, but he's squandered it repeatedly.
12:07PM on 03/27/2016
Since the slew of negative reviews had lowered my expectations immensely, I went in expecting to be pleasantly surprised and, if not to be blown away, then to at least enjoy myself for 2.5 hours. But no. Those reviews were 100% right. What a piece of boring, atrociously-scripted, embarrassingly-acted garbage. I just officially lost all interest in the future of the DCEU. (Unless Suicide Squad can somehow redeem it. Fingers crossed!)
Since the slew of negative reviews had lowered my expectations immensely, I went in expecting to be pleasantly surprised and, if not to be blown away, then to at least enjoy myself for 2.5 hours. But no. Those reviews were 100% right. What a piece of boring, atrociously-scripted, embarrassingly-acted garbage. I just officially lost all interest in the future of the DCEU. (Unless Suicide Squad can somehow redeem it. Fingers crossed!)
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9:04AM on 03/27/2016
Just came out of the cinema and I have to say I was entertained through most of the movie. The critics who said the first hour or so was boring I think were unfair as I was hooked on everything but Eisenberg's horrible Lex Luthor. Man I wish we could hit the reset button on that one because now we have this version of Lex for the whole DCCU. Liked that the opening of this movie improved the finale of MOS for me. Nice save! Thought the third act went off the rails though. After having
Just came out of the cinema and I have to say I was entertained through most of the movie. The critics who said the first hour or so was boring I think were unfair as I was hooked on everything but Eisenberg's horrible Lex Luthor. Man I wish we could hit the reset button on that one because now we have this version of Lex for the whole DCCU. Liked that the opening of this movie improved the finale of MOS for me. Nice save! Thought the third act went off the rails though. After having spent so long helping us to understand Bruce Wayne's animosity towards Superman we are asked to belive that they are suddenly all good because their mothers have the same first name????? Nope. That stinks of forced character motivations that exist only to drive the plot from a to b. Same goes for Lex's 'I got daddy issues so I hate Superman' schtik. Movie just didn't sell it to me. Doomsday troll for me was also wasted. Talk about a here he is and there he goes afterthought. Anyway, entertaining and better than I thought it would be. Take out Lex and Doomsday and it might have been great!
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9:16AM on 03/27/2016
I understand where you're coming from. Personally I think for that scene it hit Batman because he failed to save his mom. In the heat of the battle, Superman was trying to save his mom and it just hit Batman right in the face because his mom's name is also Martha. It got him by surprise. To me, it reminds him of an old wound that he couldn't save his parents. It came as a surprise to him yet an opportunity for him to redeem his tormented soul - to save someone.
I understand where you're coming from. Personally I think for that scene it hit Batman because he failed to save his mom. In the heat of the battle, Superman was trying to save his mom and it just hit Batman right in the face because his mom's name is also Martha. It got him by surprise. To me, it reminds him of an old wound that he couldn't save his parents. It came as a surprise to him yet an opportunity for him to redeem his tormented soul - to save someone.
11:06AM on 03/27/2016
Half of the movie's plot and character motivations are still buried under wraps and will only be revealed in Justice League. Suffice to say for now that while Lex do have daddy issues, that is not his main motivation for plotting against Superman. He was a proxy for the big bad to either eliminate or control the superheroes before his arrival.
Half of the movie's plot and character motivations are still buried under wraps and will only be revealed in Justice League. Suffice to say for now that while Lex do have daddy issues, that is not his main motivation for plotting against Superman. He was a proxy for the big bad to either eliminate or control the superheroes before his arrival.
11:10AM on 03/27/2016
**SPOILER ALERt** **SPOILER ALERT**
Yeah, that's my issue as well. The very last scene when Batman visited him in prison where Lex kept mentioning that the bell had been toll. I'm not sure whether he was delirious or hinting of the real mastermind - Darkseid.
**SPOILER ALERt** **SPOILER ALERT**
Yeah, that's my issue as well. The very last scene when Batman visited him in prison where Lex kept mentioning that the bell had been toll. I'm not sure whether he was delirious or hinting of the real mastermind - Darkseid.
12:23PM on 03/27/2016
I think you missed the whole point of why he stopped fighting Superman.

He built Superman up in his head as this alien invader from another planet that he would ultimately have to kill, and can justify it because he isn't human.

When he hears the name Martha, all the sudden Batman realizes that Superman isn't just this god like figure. He has a family that cares for him, and if he kills him, he's no better than Joe Chill.
I think you missed the whole point of why he stopped fighting Superman.

He built Superman up in his head as this alien invader from another planet that he would ultimately have to kill, and can justify it because he isn't human.

When he hears the name Martha, all the sudden Batman realizes that Superman isn't just this god like figure. He has a family that cares for him, and if he kills him, he's no better than Joe Chill.
2:06PM on 03/27/2016
@Moonrider - I get that sense. Especially after seeing Chris Pine in the old photo to the left of Wonder Woman. We know he's been cast which suggests to me that they may be doing solo movies after all but for some reason, out of chronological order with BVS. The spray painted Robin suit suggests the same. It seems that MAYBE WB were in a hurry to sell tickets to one of the main events early which, if so, is a misstep in my eyes because I was not as invested in the proceedings as I would
@Moonrider - I get that sense. Especially after seeing Chris Pine in the old photo to the left of Wonder Woman. We know he's been cast which suggests to me that they may be doing solo movies after all but for some reason, out of chronological order with BVS. The spray painted Robin suit suggests the same. It seems that MAYBE WB were in a hurry to sell tickets to one of the main events early which, if so, is a misstep in my eyes because I was not as invested in the proceedings as I would have been had I known the history of these guys first (as they are in the DCCU as opposed to generally). Still had a good time with BVS but you know what I mean? Could be that once watched in chronological order with the others, this could be a whole other film.
2:11PM on 03/27/2016
@Netforce and Firefly - Thanks guys. That makes a degree of sense but still can't swallow it completely. I bought (and think I was sold) Batman's rage over the fact that he saw Superman as responsible for many innocent lives being lost. Sure he also saw him as an alien threat but it went deeper than that in my opinion. In the moment he realised that Superman had human qualities, he surely would not just forgive and forget the rest. It was too much of a break neck change for me to buy
@Netforce and Firefly - Thanks guys. That makes a degree of sense but still can't swallow it completely. I bought (and think I was sold) Batman's rage over the fact that he saw Superman as responsible for many innocent lives being lost. Sure he also saw him as an alien threat but it went deeper than that in my opinion. In the moment he realised that Superman had human qualities, he surely would not just forgive and forget the rest. It was too much of a break neck change for me to buy sadly. Perhaps there will be more context in other films......
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8:34AM on 03/27/2016
Literally like seeing characters I have loved and read my entire life get shit on!
Literally like seeing characters I have loved and read my entire life get shit on!
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9:09AM on 03/27/2016
I can understand why some people feel that way. I'm more neutral on it because I read Marvel as a kid BUT they definately didn't seem themselves. Superman was not the inspiring boy scout he usually is and Batman (though I enjoyed him) just doesn't look right running around with guns for starters. The ethics that make the classic character were just not there.
I can understand why some people feel that way. I'm more neutral on it because I read Marvel as a kid BUT they definately didn't seem themselves. Superman was not the inspiring boy scout he usually is and Batman (though I enjoyed him) just doesn't look right running around with guns for starters. The ethics that make the classic character were just not there.
11:41AM on 03/27/2016
You do realize most of those images aren't Bruce Wayne as Batman? The two that are Bruce aren't continuity and one was a hallucination. The other (From Final Crisis) was Batman shooting Darkseid who didn't die, and Batman expressed why he was using the "gun" in the comic itself.
You do realize most of those images aren't Bruce Wayne as Batman? The two that are Bruce aren't continuity and one was a hallucination. The other (From Final Crisis) was Batman shooting Darkseid who didn't die, and Batman expressed why he was using the "gun" in the comic itself.
7:24AM on 03/27/2016

Doom and Darkness

Looks like most of the fans liked it. I don't understand why though. There are plot here that would make Michael Bay blush. And the whole thing groans under its own serious weight. The problem with Man of Steel was it had too much action to pummel us senseless. Batman v Superman had too much brooding build up and so many little plots going on. I swear the film only perked up when Wonder Woman came along near the end. Then I fell into the same daze all over again. Fans. Admit to yourselves this
Looks like most of the fans liked it. I don't understand why though. There are plot here that would make Michael Bay blush. And the whole thing groans under its own serious weight. The problem with Man of Steel was it had too much action to pummel us senseless. Batman v Superman had too much brooding build up and so many little plots going on. I swear the film only perked up when Wonder Woman came along near the end. Then I fell into the same daze all over again. Fans. Admit to yourselves this is not good. WB has got to replace Zack.
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11:34AM on 03/27/2016
Stop telling the fans what to like and what not to. If they liked it, that's fine. If you didn't like it, that's also fine, but this bullshit where everybody wants to tell off the fans and correct them has got to stop, even if you think the critics have made an objective case for why the movie isn't good.
Stop telling the fans what to like and what not to. If they liked it, that's fine. If you didn't like it, that's also fine, but this bullshit where everybody wants to tell off the fans and correct them has got to stop, even if you think the critics have made an objective case for why the movie isn't good.
1:51AM on 03/28/2016
i only say this because i want the ones making this film to get it straight from the fans that they need to stop making these kinds of movies. you can see it in ben's face making the rounds in the internet. "yeah, we could've done better." the only reasons i see it's making tons of money is the sheer star power and the idea of a long debated fight between two beloved characters finally come alive in all it's cinematic glory. screw the story. these two powerhouses is enough to make some money.
i only say this because i want the ones making this film to get it straight from the fans that they need to stop making these kinds of movies. you can see it in ben's face making the rounds in the internet. "yeah, we could've done better." the only reasons i see it's making tons of money is the sheer star power and the idea of a long debated fight between two beloved characters finally come alive in all it's cinematic glory. screw the story. these two powerhouses is enough to make some money. so yes i felt the need to tell the fans that they deserve something better. but they seemed to be happy with this one. so yeah we'll be getting a lot more like this from DC.
5:14AM on 03/27/2016
A review I wrote for a friend of mine:

BATMAN v SUPERMAN: Grim is the order of the day in this bleak, heavy, serious, almost entirely joyless film. (Those rumours of WB's "no jokes policy" seem to be accurate.) That said, I had the advantage of knowing this going in, and so was prepared for a dour affair. This did wonders for my enjoyment of the film.

I think the most useful way to view this film is against Man of Steel, and ask: how is the DCCU developing? In this light, B v S is a step
A review I wrote for a friend of mine:

BATMAN v SUPERMAN: Grim is the order of the day in this bleak, heavy, serious, almost entirely joyless film. (Those rumours of WB's "no jokes policy" seem to be accurate.) That said, I had the advantage of knowing this going in, and so was prepared for a dour affair. This did wonders for my enjoyment of the film.

I think the most useful way to view this film is against Man of Steel, and ask: how is the DCCU developing? In this light, B v S is a step forward in all categories except three. It's a step forward in dialogue: you can feel the assured mind and pen of Chris Terrio bringing class to the affair. There's progress with the villainy: Lex makes for a great villain. I was actually surprised at how well Eisenberg's caffeinated take on the character worked - it felt fresh and alive in ways that I haven't seen in some time. The character was also responsible for my favourite moment in the flick - an unforgettable "fuck you" to a character that crosses him. The expansion of the universe was well done, with a small but pivotal role for Wonder Woman, along with short scenes for Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg. The foreshadowing of Darkseid felt a little sandwiched in there, but I chose to forgive that. Affleck as Batman? Great. Perfect in the mould of the older, broken Bats. Gadot as Wonder Woman? Terrific. Snyder nailed the character, even though it was a small role in a larger film. Cavill? He just is Superman, in body and aspect. But not in soul. And here we come to the three things the film gets wrong.

Superman. Oh my god, what a bleak, sad, cynical Superman this is. Only his interactions with Lois stop this from being a one note portrayal. Superman is not Batman, Mr. Snyder. I felt actively saddened toward the end at just how dour this Superman is made to be. Which brings me to the tone: this movie is too serious. And when I say serious, I mean SERIOUS. Bleak. Unrelenting. Utterly deprived of joy (a few fist-punching moments of coolness are welcome, but short-lived). Only Lex manages to bring any lightness into the film, and believe me, it's welcome. Third, we come to the music. Enough already, Zimmer. LOUD NOISES! LOOOUUDD!!!! Even when Bats was standing on a crane, doing nothing, the soundtrack yelled with a choir of apocalyptic voices that would have better accompanied a celestial invasion. Junkie XL brought some class into the affair, but there were times when the music dragged me right out of the film, as it did in Man of Steel.
But to the most important pieces: the big fights. The B v S fight I personally hated. There was no joy, no excitement: I felt like I was watching a man get brutally beaten to death. I frankly found it uncomfortable and upsetting. Part of this is my Superman fandom, I admit that. I just found it dark, bleak, and brutal. Comparatively, the big Doomsday battle fares much better. There are some cool moments to be had, but the sequence does end up suffering from CG overload (not unlike an earlier sequence, where a CG batmobile smashes up CG scenery).
This is a flawed film, and ultimately too heavy in tone--it really has bought into its own seriousness. But above all things it's a step up from Man of Steel. If they can correct the unrelenting tone, which could easily be done by making Superman more like Superman (and having him perform more heroics - he gets a few acts via a short montage, but that's it), then the DCCU will be fertile ground for good dramatic fare. Just don't expect any laughs along the way. 7/10.
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4:23AM on 03/27/2016

Pretty neat, but...

Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice CRITIQUE-- 7.5/10
Pros: Beautiful Cinematography, Editing, intricate vivid action sequences, overall strong performances, Epic score, mature themes, grand set pieces, homage to numerous bits of source material, Intensity.
Cons: lacking of character development, under developed plot for an otherwise compelling story, empty dialogue, unnecessary scenes not progressing plot, inconsistent noticeable CGI.
OVERALL: I enjoyed it as it fits my personal preference on
Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice CRITIQUE-- 7.5/10
Pros: Beautiful Cinematography, Editing, intricate vivid action sequences, overall strong performances, Epic score, mature themes, grand set pieces, homage to numerous bits of source material, Intensity.
Cons: lacking of character development, under developed plot for an otherwise compelling story, empty dialogue, unnecessary scenes not progressing plot, inconsistent noticeable CGI.
OVERALL: I enjoyed it as it fits my personal preference on how I rather see comic book adaptations translated as far as tone. Experience for yourself as it truly is a visual spectacle. Admittedly a film more of a treat towards fans of the source material, which may leave general viewers unhinged by certain on-goings. I recommend you watch it as soon as possible to avoid critical spoilers.
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8:20AM on 03/27/2016
I agree with everything you said. Personally I'd add one thing to Cons - Narrative. It feels all over the place until the third act comes along to tie everything up. Other than that, it's surprisingly a solid superhero movie.
I agree with everything you said. Personally I'd add one thing to Cons - Narrative. It feels all over the place until the third act comes along to tie everything up. Other than that, it's surprisingly a solid superhero movie.
3:51AM on 03/27/2016

8/10

Very solid superhero film. Not perfect by any means, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. Took a while to get where it was going, but was worth it in the end. Batman had some pretty awesome scenes and I loved Affleck as Batman/Bruce Wayne. I'm absolutely loving this time for comic book adaptations. Feels like a golden era to me. Got Batman and Superman in theaters, Punisher and Daredevil battling it out on the Daredevil Netflix series, CA: Civil War looks amazing, X-Men Apocalypse looks amazing,
Very solid superhero film. Not perfect by any means, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. Took a while to get where it was going, but was worth it in the end. Batman had some pretty awesome scenes and I loved Affleck as Batman/Bruce Wayne. I'm absolutely loving this time for comic book adaptations. Feels like a golden era to me. Got Batman and Superman in theaters, Punisher and Daredevil battling it out on the Daredevil Netflix series, CA: Civil War looks amazing, X-Men Apocalypse looks amazing, pumped for Suicide Squad, Deadpool killed it last month, and from here we get to see the two part Infinity War and Justice League movies. Loving the shit out of this time for these kinds of movies/adaptations.
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8:26AM on 03/27/2016
I think we're truly living in an age where superhero movies have great special effects to support the story. Looking back, superhero movies lacked what we have today, i.e. 1990s Captain America or The Punisher or even 1970s Incredible Hulk TV series.
I think we're truly living in an age where superhero movies have great special effects to support the story. Looking back, superhero movies lacked what we have today, i.e. 1990s Captain America or The Punisher or even 1970s Incredible Hulk TV series.
2:00AM on 03/27/2016

AWESOME

Maybe I came in with low expectations from all the hate, but this was a solid movie.
I kept thinking I was gonna be bored or depressed, but it was tense throughout. The action was tight and epic. I'm not sure what people were expecting or wanting....
Maybe I came in with low expectations from all the hate, but this was a solid movie.
I kept thinking I was gonna be bored or depressed, but it was tense throughout. The action was tight and epic. I'm not sure what people were expecting or wanting....
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1:39AM on 03/27/2016

I loved this movie, man!

It's not even a Dc Vs Marvel thing... "Deadpool" rocked... "Winter Soldier" was awesome.... BvS was fantastic! I think movie fans are winning right now, whether or not you grew up reading comic books. It's wonderful to see major studios deconstructing these mythologies we've had floating in the ether for decades and trying to tell stories in new ways while pushing the scale and scope of the thing. I'm so amped from watching this because despite myself I'd started to let all the negative buzz
It's not even a Dc Vs Marvel thing... "Deadpool" rocked... "Winter Soldier" was awesome.... BvS was fantastic! I think movie fans are winning right now, whether or not you grew up reading comic books. It's wonderful to see major studios deconstructing these mythologies we've had floating in the ether for decades and trying to tell stories in new ways while pushing the scale and scope of the thing. I'm so amped from watching this because despite myself I'd started to let all the negative buzz temper my expectations.

Every movie's gonna have its critics. "Watchmen" had its critics and that still stands as a seminal achievement in the comic book landscape. "The Dark Knight" has its critics to this day and that's a good thing because it means these films left an imprint, left people wanting to disassemble and evaluate them. At the end of the day, only you can decide what you liked or what you didn't.

I love the risks they took with this movie, I loved the harshness, the anger, the stakes, the geopolitical implications, the motivations, the consequences, the Batfleck and to my delightful surprise, the badassness of Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman. Start to finish, I loved this movie and it's truly a great time to be a movie fan.
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1:39AM on 03/27/2016
It was good. Seriously I don't know what people are complaining about. Yes, it was overly long but so were the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises. This movie was already edited down from a 3 hr R-rated cut so I imagine they felt they couldn't cut out any more. The fight with Doomsday was great. Even Batman got involved.
It was good. Seriously I don't know what people are complaining about. Yes, it was overly long but so were the Dark Knight and the Dark Knight Rises. This movie was already edited down from a 3 hr R-rated cut so I imagine they felt they couldn't cut out any more. The fight with Doomsday was great. Even Batman got involved.
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1:29AM on 03/27/2016
Just watched the film earlier today. I liked how they emphasized the repercussions on being a superhero and how it can effect normal person's life. But the movie had a lot of problems, pacing, CGI overload, and odd dream sequences. Hate all you want, but I dug the more cynical Batman and him breaking his cardinal rule. I didn't like his costume though. But Ben Affleck does make a great burnt out / jaded / Batman.
Just watched the film earlier today. I liked how they emphasized the repercussions on being a superhero and how it can effect normal person's life. But the movie had a lot of problems, pacing, CGI overload, and odd dream sequences. Hate all you want, but I dug the more cynical Batman and him breaking his cardinal rule. I didn't like his costume though. But Ben Affleck does make a great burnt out / jaded / Batman.
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2:52AM on 03/27/2016
SPOILER ALERT: Can someone explain to me who that superhero was that showed up in Bruce Wayne's dream right after he awakens from the desolate future nightmare. he see's another hero / sidekick warning him about not killing Lois Lane ...etc. Was that Robin? Or Flash? or someone else?
SPOILER ALERT: Can someone explain to me who that superhero was that showed up in Bruce Wayne's dream right after he awakens from the desolate future nightmare. he see's another hero / sidekick warning him about not killing Lois Lane ...etc. Was that Robin? Or Flash? or someone else?
9:18AM on 03/27/2016
That was Flash.
That was Flash.
11:49PM on 03/26/2016
Good to see that the majority of shmoes enjoyed the movie and thought it kicked ass. Even those of us who think it kicks ass can be objective and see that there are problems but still enjoy the movie regardless.

Hard to take the trolls seriously (yes you heard me...Trolls) when they say this movie was a steaming Turd. or This movie sucked because Doomsday didnt have a dick. If that is how you review a movie or describe a movie. Sorry we can't take you seriously.

This movie was
Good to see that the majority of shmoes enjoyed the movie and thought it kicked ass. Even those of us who think it kicks ass can be objective and see that there are problems but still enjoy the movie regardless.

Hard to take the trolls seriously (yes you heard me...Trolls) when they say this movie was a steaming Turd. or This movie sucked because Doomsday didnt have a dick. If that is how you review a movie or describe a movie. Sorry we can't take you seriously.

This movie was competently made. Yes there are problems with the editing (probably due to the 3 hour cut) and some characterizations etc. But this is not a BAD movie. You may not have LIIIIIIIIIKED the movie, but it certainly isnt BAD..there is a difference.

A bad movie is....The Room. anything more or less by Uwe Boll.Sharknado etc.

now not everyone who criticizes this movie is a troll. lets be clear. If you can competently and objectively analyze the movie and give your reasons for saying its a bad movie. Very well. Your opinion is noted.
But when you say its a "Stinky Turd". Then you really lose credibility.
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12:56AM on 03/27/2016
In all seriousness though, how can you think that half a good movie deserves more than a 5/10. From the moment I saw Bruce Wayne floating in a ring of bats I thought, oh fuck, here we go. We all saw the whole movie about 2 months ago in the trailer. Sure I will re-watch it again, well maybe parts of it at at least, but in time I'm sure we will all look back and think hey, remember when there was a poster for Batman vs Superman in I Am Legend. Whats your moms name? Let's be friends!

Affleck
In all seriousness though, how can you think that half a good movie deserves more than a 5/10. From the moment I saw Bruce Wayne floating in a ring of bats I thought, oh fuck, here we go. We all saw the whole movie about 2 months ago in the trailer. Sure I will re-watch it again, well maybe parts of it at at least, but in time I'm sure we will all look back and think hey, remember when there was a poster for Batman vs Superman in I Am Legend. Whats your moms name? Let's be friends!

Affleck will work as The Bat, looking forward to seeing him and Leto in a solo movie though. Also looking forward to never paying to see a movie with Jessie Esinberg ever again.
1:45AM on 03/27/2016
Turd movie is a turd. Lol

For real though, only bright spot was Ben Affleck's Batman and MAYBE Wonder Woman. Other than that, you have a pretty flimsy movie storywise. I mean, my biggest complaint? Why the fuck would they rush the death of Superman arc??? You could do that in a movie of it's own. Not shoehorned in like it is here. Not completely bad, but still underwhelming. For me that is. 6/10
Turd movie is a turd. Lol

For real though, only bright spot was Ben Affleck's Batman and MAYBE Wonder Woman. Other than that, you have a pretty flimsy movie storywise. I mean, my biggest complaint? Why the fuck would they rush the death of Superman arc??? You could do that in a movie of it's own. Not shoehorned in like it is here. Not completely bad, but still underwhelming. For me that is. 6/10
11:23PM on 03/26/2016
Boring two hours leading to a weakly setup mediocre battle, leading to a 2nd weakly set up mediocre battle. None of the ideas about the ethical existence of Superman were fleshed out and were rushed so they could fit in 5 other superheroes. Spent too much time setting up the rest of the DC series in the most half-assed rushed way possible, rather than being a movie on it's own. The way they revealed the other Justice League member was the prime example of poor screenplay writing. That scene
Boring two hours leading to a weakly setup mediocre battle, leading to a 2nd weakly set up mediocre battle. None of the ideas about the ethical existence of Superman were fleshed out and were rushed so they could fit in 5 other superheroes. Spent too much time setting up the rest of the DC series in the most half-assed rushed way possible, rather than being a movie on it's own. The way they revealed the other Justice League member was the prime example of poor screenplay writing. That scene itself felt like it was added WAY late in post-production. There definitely needed to be a Batman movie between this and MoS, hell even a 2nd Superman movie would have made this better. Everything just felt rushed to set up JL, when Marvel took it's time over 4 movies before they rushed into getting the heroes together. Lex was poorly written, cast, and portrayed. I didn't dislike Affleck as Batman, but he was just given terrible material to work. I did like the intro scene with the reveal of the Bat-branding and I'd love the standalone Batman film to have a similar horror-ish tone to it. I could go on, but I'd rather spend my time talking about a movie that is worth discussing, JL is gonna blow if Zack Snyder is allowed to continue being a the lead of DC's film universe.
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1:45AM on 03/27/2016
There was a third spectacular battle involving just Batman in between the first spectacular battle and the second spectacular battle.
There was a third spectacular battle involving just Batman in between the first spectacular battle and the second spectacular battle.
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10:23PM on 03/26/2016

Movie ruled!

First this move was a dream come true and as a fan of the comics and Snyder lets just say I'm on the same page they gave me what I expected plus much more ! Any critic who doesn't like it and gives it under a 7 out of 10 rating than sorry they are full of sh*t! I say this because, their complaints about the movie are baseless and can be dismissed easily during a debate. I will even ask what movie did they watch because, the movie they are describing is not BVS. We are seeing a purposeful
First this move was a dream come true and as a fan of the comics and Snyder lets just say I'm on the same page they gave me what I expected plus much more ! Any critic who doesn't like it and gives it under a 7 out of 10 rating than sorry they are full of sh*t! I say this because, their complaints about the movie are baseless and can be dismissed easily during a debate. I will even ask what movie did they watch because, the movie they are describing is not BVS. We are seeing a purposeful negative trolling where they are spewing the most insane complaints which is how they are exposing themselves for either expecting a whole another movie when the trailers and MOS clearly showed the direction of this universe was going to be realistic and serious approach. They also don't know anything about these characters but the movie was written in a way that it would please new viewers as well which is why we get the complaints about the story since we got two stories at once one for the loyal comic fans and one for the fans who started with MOS. Here are a few complaints, Cgi was all over the place, Wrong! Story was convoluted, Wrong again! Its clear Dc is a polarizing property where hate is huge not because, they suck but because, we have this odd stupid thing where it feels like a competition atmosphere when it should be embraced as a privilege to get movies we been waiting a lifetime for. Its like they prefer we get no movie at all!! Its Hollywood stupid!! These days with the explosion of social media I've noticed that critics are like the media and ego personalities where they enjoy dictating talking points with clickbait nonsense trying to influence outcomes just so they can get attention I say this because, look how quick the negatives came out so fast and then add how the complaints are horribly weak and can easily be dismissed. They know Dc fans will respond to it since Dc topics always trend so for me its all about getting likes and comments and air time. As a comic fan I give it a 9 out 10 and the Extended cut which will be an event in itself will get a 10 especially if you know where the story was heading. Now compare this to the 2nd movie in Marvels universe and its not even close and you can see Dc is ahead of schedule and clearly has a plan. ALl I can say is JLA is going to be insane and Snyder who honestly has been purposely holding back will finally get to go off!! ANother odd thing is Synder addressed all the complaints of MOS and they still bitching! More detailed review later since I prefer people watch it first. Fyi to critics Suicide Squad is suppose to be serious so you know dont go see it thinking its a damn comedy ignoring all the trailers like you clearly did with BVS!
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10:37PM on 03/26/2016
"I say this because, their complaints about the movie are baseless and can be dismissed easily during a debate."

Oh. You read every negative review from a critic and all of their complaints?
"I say this because, their complaints about the movie are baseless and can be dismissed easily during a debate."

Oh. You read every negative review from a critic and all of their complaints?
4:00AM on 03/27/2016
............what?
............what?
4:30AM on 03/27/2016
... ... ...huh?
... ... ...huh?
10:16PM on 03/26/2016

This is my kind of movie!

First let me just address what I felt was a negative (but one that might be okay in the near future). My biggest qualm with this movie was the scope of the movie. I felt like this could have been two movies with how much was in there to take in. It is definitely a movie I will be seeing again just so I can take in everything that was happening. Now, why I think this will be okay in the near future is the anticipated R-Rated directors cut which supposedly is 30 minutes longer. Hopefully that can
First let me just address what I felt was a negative (but one that might be okay in the near future). My biggest qualm with this movie was the scope of the movie. I felt like this could have been two movies with how much was in there to take in. It is definitely a movie I will be seeing again just so I can take in everything that was happening. Now, why I think this will be okay in the near future is the anticipated R-Rated directors cut which supposedly is 30 minutes longer. Hopefully that can make it a more coherent story that didn't feel somewhat jumpy.

Now to the positives. First, Ben Affleck was great as BOTH Bruce Wayne and Batman. I'm being 100% honest when I say there were numerous times while watching that I forgot I was looking at Ben Affleck because he was that believable as Bruce Wayne. Now as Batman, holy hell was he brutal. I think anyone's issues relating to the Nolan Batman was his fighting style and this Batman is someone who would terrify me in regards to how brutal he was. His introduction felt almost like a scene from a horror film which is how I've always imagined thats how criminal would have viewed him. So its safe to say Batman is in good hands in this new incarnation.

Next is Wonder Woman. Yes, it was a pretty small role but I am very excited to see her in her own movie. Her introduction as Wonder Woman (and not just as Diana Prince) made me smile so much. Seeing her fight alongside Batman and Superman is honestly one of my favorite moments in a superhero movie, period.

The introductions of the members of the Justice League were great in giving you a taste, wanting more. I'm going to give Ezra Miller the benefit of doubt in how he will be as the Flash.

Jesse as Lex was scary. My girlfriend came out of the movie saying how he reminded her of Health Ledger as the Joker, simply in how you had no idea as to how he was going to act or behave which made him truly terrifying.

Now, yes this was a very serious superhero movie, but I am very happy with that. Let Marvel make its movies with jokes and bright colors and let DC make its more serious, adult stories. After seeing it, I can understand how this will have an R-rated directors cut because the fight scenes were brutal to watch. I'm looking forward to seeing DC continue down this path and make its own style of comic world. I'm giving it two thumps way up and I look forward to seeing what they will do in the future.
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8:49PM on 03/26/2016

Loved it!

SPOILER: I have to say, the scene where batman finds out that supermans mother is also named martha made me tear up quite a bit, left the theater feeling like I had a delicious five course meal. I'm ready for justice league!
SPOILER: I have to say, the scene where batman finds out that supermans mother is also named martha made me tear up quite a bit, left the theater feeling like I had a delicious five course meal. I'm ready for justice league!
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9:08PM on 03/26/2016
That scene made me tear up a bit as well. I didn't know how they would stop fighting until Superman mentioned her name. And I was like Whoaaaa. I'd say the way the 3rd act ends blew my mind. I didn't expect that At All.
That scene made me tear up a bit as well. I didn't know how they would stop fighting until Superman mentioned her name. And I was like Whoaaaa. I'd say the way the 3rd act ends blew my mind. I didn't expect that At All.
10:18PM on 03/26/2016
So I'm kind of embarrassed to admit that even though I have been following Batman and Superman for years, I never stopped to think about that their mothers' names were the same. It was a total holy shit moment for me in the theater which was probably how Batman felt when he heard Superman saying Martha.
So I'm kind of embarrassed to admit that even though I have been following Batman and Superman for years, I never stopped to think about that their mothers' names were the same. It was a total holy shit moment for me in the theater which was probably how Batman felt when he heard Superman saying Martha.
5:53AM on 03/27/2016
Who wrote that scene? Goyer or the new writer Affleck brought in?
Who wrote that scene? Goyer or the new writer Affleck brought in?
8:15AM on 03/27/2016
Re: Cwilliamson32 - it was totally a Holy Sh** moment for me as well. I'm a huge Batman fan but I Never realize Bruce's mother and Clark's mother both have the same name.
Re: Cwilliamson32 - it was totally a Holy Sh** moment for me as well. I'm a huge Batman fan but I Never realize Bruce's mother and Clark's mother both have the same name.
6:17PM on 03/26/2016
Overall this is an objectively bad movie. I really enjoyed a it until wheelchair boy blew up. That whole storyline felt really unnecessary. the fight was less than great and Doomsday was every bit as bad as me and everyone else could have possibly predicted. The finial fight was a dull, overlong CGI fest that actually had me hoping, at times, that Snyder would just go make that Fountainhead adaption and let someone else take over Justice League.

Affleck's BAtman was terrific, although I
Overall this is an objectively bad movie. I really enjoyed a it until wheelchair boy blew up. That whole storyline felt really unnecessary. the fight was less than great and Doomsday was every bit as bad as me and everyone else could have possibly predicted. The finial fight was a dull, overlong CGI fest that actually had me hoping, at times, that Snyder would just go make that Fountainhead adaption and let someone else take over Justice League.

Affleck's BAtman was terrific, although I fail to see how the amount of people he killed doesn't set the internet off considering the uproar over Man of Steel's ending. I like the nods to a bigger universe as well. Wonder Woman was great in every way (loved that golden lasso), the flash cameo was pretty damn great (not to mention totally unexpected), and the other appearances were fine as well (fun tid bit seeing the Mother Box in Cyborgs origin).

I didn't hate Eisenberg's Luthor as much as everyone else but he was pretty awful. the film also shows me something I've been wanting to see for years (Supermans funeral) and I couldent even really enjoy it because it was so poorly fit into the story. At the very least I can be optimistic for a Return of Superman movie (If I don't get Cyborg Superman and Steel out of this If really pissed). Also was it just me or was this the worst Superman ever. He let's Lois and his mother get captured and then cant find the latter for no apparent reason (you would think someone with Super hearing and X-Ray vision could find her pretty easily).
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