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What is a spoiler? A plea from a Schmoe

Oct. 15, 2012by:

THERE ARE SOME MOVIE SPOILERS IN THIS ARTICLE, SO READER BEWARE!

Up until just a few months ago, I was a Schmoe like you. I visited JoBlo.com every day to get my dose of movie news and reviews. Sure, I had aspirations to be a writer or even a filmmaker, but reality bogged me down. All I knew was that I loved to write and I loved movies. So, when an opportunity to work for the very site I visited became available, I jumped at the chance. So, a little under a year later, here I am.

But, I have learned a hard lesson along the way: spoilers can ruin a movie fan's day. If you learn a secret or a plot detail before you have seen the movie, it can destroy that movie going experience. For some, this is a big deal while others (like me) would love to learn every detail about a movie. For me, finding out how a movie is made and the lengths the filmmakers go to in order to surprise fans is an intricate and fascinating process. So, when I joined the staff here at the site, I made it my goal to not ruin the movies for you. We all try our best to inform you and give you the latest on every detail about the movies you want to see. But even with vigilant and tireless effort, there are still spoilers that sometimes make their way through. Sure, if we stick something in an article title like GUESS WHICH SITH LORD IS REALLY A SKYWALKER, we are breaking that trust between reporter and reader. However, that raises a very distinct and interesting question.

What is a spoiler?

Before the Internet, a spoiler was when someone told you about something in a movie or TV show before you had seen it. I remember that my first movie experience that was truly ruined by a spoiler was THE SIXTH SENSE. My father had seen the movie on a business trip and told me the twist was that Bruce Willis was really a ghost. At first, I was shocked. Then, I got angry. I had not seen THE SIXTH SENSE yet, but I wanted to. No, I wasn't going to see it that weekend, but still, I was hoping that when I did see it, that huge turn of events would have still gotten me like it did those who saw it on opening weekend. That is a spoiler.

With the proliferation of media across Internet, cable, radio, magazine, and every other possible mode of communication in this modern age, a spoiler is as easy as stumbling across a link or a text message that reveals that Rosebud was the sled from CITIZEN KANE. Oh, shit! Did I just ruin that seventy-year-old movie for you? I am such an asshole!

That is my point. it is impossible for every single movie or television show to be protected by a spoiler warning. It is just not feasible in this day and age to expect those around you to know you have not seen something. Sure, if a TV show kills off a major character and someone tells you the very next day, that person is undoubtedly a douchebag. But, if season five rolls around and someone says something that references an event from season four, you my friend are shit outta luck. Yeah, a lot of people like to wait until the full season of a show is released on Blu-ray or DVD so they can watch it all in one sitting, but that is your choice. If you accidentally find out the events of something that aired months or years ago, that is no foul.

I used to live by a simple spoiler rule: one season later for a television show or one year for a movie. If you are told the events of a movie that was released a year ago, that is no longer a spoiler. A full year is enough time for you to have seen a movie or a television show. In fact, with most movies and shows hitting home video or online streaming sooner and sooner, you could even truncate that to six months.

So, yes, spoilers suck. Those who intentionally seek out chances to ruin movies for people are the cinematic equivalent of a cock-blocker. But, if you are visiting a movie news website, you are playing with fire. We strive to report on movie news and that includes sequels and reboots. So, if we report on CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE NEXT AVENGER and talk about certain characters who have died, and you haven't seen it yet, I have a question: why the f*ck are you reading an article about the sequel? That is on you, buddy. But, if we don't warn you about a spoiler for a movie that has not been released or has just hit theaters, that is on us.

So, I guess my question to you is this: what do you consider a spoiler?

Oh and if you want to see a graphic with many of the "top movie spoilers" on it, CLICK HERE!

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6:39AM on 10/16/2012

I'm all for going into movies completely cold...

My first experience with going into a film knowing absolutely nothing about it was the original Scream. I was just a kid, but knowing nothing at all really made me love the film even more. Nowadays, I rarely see something without at least knowing the plot... You go through too much garbage when you go in without at least knowing a bit. But I could do without the major spoilers in the trailers though. Watching the Prometheus ship crash into the Engineer's in the trailer really pissed me
My first experience with going into a film knowing absolutely nothing about it was the original Scream. I was just a kid, but knowing nothing at all really made me love the film even more. Nowadays, I rarely see something without at least knowing the plot... You go through too much garbage when you go in without at least knowing a bit. But I could do without the major spoilers in the trailers though. Watching the Prometheus ship crash into the Engineer's in the trailer really pissed me off... And it's not like it can even be avoided. You got to a theater to see a movie, and unless you get up and walk out during the coming attractions, you see something you might wish you hadn't.
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2:47AM on 10/16/2012

One word...

Invisotext....
Such a simple device that websites used to use to literally hide any potential spoilers. But I agree that a one year period of time is long enough to wait. I even go out of my way to avoid imdb, and wiki pages cause they'll post potential spoilers as far as characters names and how many episodes they're in. But I've always respected how you deal with spoilers, I feel that having a spoiler in a photo can ruin it just as much as telling someone. Hopefully this will help you
Invisotext....
Such a simple device that websites used to use to literally hide any potential spoilers. But I agree that a one year period of time is long enough to wait. I even go out of my way to avoid imdb, and wiki pages cause they'll post potential spoilers as far as characters names and how many episodes they're in. But I've always respected how you deal with spoilers, I feel that having a spoiler in a photo can ruin it just as much as telling someone. Hopefully this will help you streamline your articles?
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12:47AM on 10/16/2012

So a quick story...

A friend and I were at the movies on a friday, we were fighting with a third friend over what to see. The Sixth Sense was set to be on DVD the following Tuesday, and somehow we had avoided anyone ruining the twist (however we knew there was a twist, so that in and of itself is a spoiler, no?) so we insisted that we see it. We both knew that in the next four days someone would would let it slip in front of us. We saw it, we were blown away, and we looked forward to a brilliant career from
A friend and I were at the movies on a friday, we were fighting with a third friend over what to see. The Sixth Sense was set to be on DVD the following Tuesday, and somehow we had avoided anyone ruining the twist (however we knew there was a twist, so that in and of itself is a spoiler, no?) so we insisted that we see it. We both knew that in the next four days someone would would let it slip in front of us. We saw it, we were blown away, and we looked forward to a brilliant career from this hot new director that could never ever make a piece of shit film about trees killing us (we were young and naive). Then, sure enough the next day at a BBQ, we walked into a conversation right when two people were talking about when they discovered what the twist was. We were so relieved that we escaped the spoiler. But Agree with some of the people here when I say the websites like this (too which I am addicted) in someway rob people of the whole joy of going to movies. Look at Taken vs. Taken 2. The first was great, because it came out of nowhere. The second one sucked because every bit of mundane news was covered every day it was being written and filmed. "Hey, here is a picture of Liam Neeson with a runny nose on the set of Taken 2!!! EXCLUSIVE!!!!" By the time the movie comes out, you already now way more about it than you should, and sometimes it is just not fun anymore. The movie itself has been spoiled.
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11:11PM on 10/15/2012

I just don't care

If you are confusing this site with a democracy, you should have paid more attention in class.
If you are confusing this site with a democracy, you should have paid more attention in class.
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10:37PM on 10/15/2012

Quit yer bitchin'

The best way to avoid spoilers is to not go to entertainment news websites.

You know, where they tell you all about the movies.

The best way to avoid spoilers is to not go to entertainment news websites.

You know, where they tell you all about the movies.

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1:36PM on 10/16/2012
Asshole.
Asshole.
10:34PM on 10/15/2012
Its really odd that you mentioned the season 4 spoiler from a season 5 show because I am still angry at this site over that very incident. I'm going to guess that this line is in reference to a Breaking Bad season 4 spoiler that this site ruined for me a few weeks back. I'm guessing from the attitude in the article someone probably complained about this very issue. Now that was not me but I feel that I have every right to do that. When I clicked on the article there was no indication that
Its really odd that you mentioned the season 4 spoiler from a season 5 show because I am still angry at this site over that very incident. I'm going to guess that this line is in reference to a Breaking Bad season 4 spoiler that this site ruined for me a few weeks back. I'm guessing from the attitude in the article someone probably complained about this very issue. Now that was not me but I feel that I have every right to do that. When I clicked on the article there was no indication that there would be a spoiler inside. But what did I find as soon as I opened it? A HUGE picture of the shocking death scene of a major character on that show that I was literally a few episodes away from. Words cannot describe how pissed I was over this. Its one of the reasons that I haven't frequented this site as much as I normally do. I agree to an extent that since I'm a season behind I should be cautious but please tell me what the point of showing that picture was? The article could have done its job without revealing that spoiler. Furthermore just because the spoiler you reveal is a season behind doesn't make it any less disrespectful. There was absolutely no reason to ruin that plot twist. You guys are a NEW WEBSITE. It is your job to report NEWS about movies not reveal spoilers! To the people saying that you should watch what you look at on the internet to avoid spoilers, why should I expect this site to ruin a show for me when I'm simply looking at a news article about it? You guys can try to spin this any way that you like but in the end you ruined my experience of watching the show. You robbed me of a plot twist that I didn't know was coming and there was absolutely no reason for you to ruin that. I used to be a huge promoter of this website now I barely come anymore because of this incident. I'm not one to hold a grudge like this but you guys really robbed me of something special. You guys need to realize that if people are complaining about this THEN IT IS A BIG PROBLEM THAT NEEDS TO BE SOLVED! Writing an opinionated article about how spoilers are so hard to define is not going to solve the problem. This is just further proof that you guys don't care if you spoil stuff for us. I would have liked to see an honestly written examination of this problem instead of a smug "we can't do anything about it" article.
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5:18PM on 10/15/2012
I ask one question and it warrants an entire separate article. It was not that big a deal, just a question. I agree that it was my choice to read the article, but in all fairness it was not something that was buried in the article it was right underneaht the headline. I don't really think it was necessary to single that out, afterall the comment got unanimous thumbs down.
I ask one question and it warrants an entire separate article. It was not that big a deal, just a question. I agree that it was my choice to read the article, but in all fairness it was not something that was buried in the article it was right underneaht the headline. I don't really think it was necessary to single that out, afterall the comment got unanimous thumbs down.
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2:50PM on 10/15/2012
This is a good example of why I have been reading this site for years. The best way to go into a movie fresh is to avoid ALL spoilers. Avoid trailers, news, etc. I like knowing who is involved with the movie making process. These are actors, actresses, producers, the director, the screenwriter(s). I rarely see trailers anymore. Avoiding all news on story and plot development is the most important thing to stay fresh. Some news you have to know and some trailers you have to see, but mostly with
This is a good example of why I have been reading this site for years. The best way to go into a movie fresh is to avoid ALL spoilers. Avoid trailers, news, etc. I like knowing who is involved with the movie making process. These are actors, actresses, producers, the director, the screenwriter(s). I rarely see trailers anymore. Avoiding all news on story and plot development is the most important thing to stay fresh. Some news you have to know and some trailers you have to see, but mostly with the spoiler tag; people just have to be careful and know where they wish to stop reading or watching.
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2:45PM on 10/15/2012

spoilers are a bummer

i just dont see how anyone could want to go into a movie knowing how it ends, or which character randomly gets killed off half an hour in. i suppose a spoiler for me includes all unexpected twists, deaths and endings. if i see pictures or hear about a scene out of context then i dont mind, because it only feeds my curiosity, it doesnt flat out lay everything down for me.

also cameos used to be spoilers, but now everyone ruins them anyways. the best was in hangover II how they forewarned us
i just dont see how anyone could want to go into a movie knowing how it ends, or which character randomly gets killed off half an hour in. i suppose a spoiler for me includes all unexpected twists, deaths and endings. if i see pictures or hear about a scene out of context then i dont mind, because it only feeds my curiosity, it doesnt flat out lay everything down for me.

also cameos used to be spoilers, but now everyone ruins them anyways. the best was in hangover II how they forewarned us all of the cameos that then fell through.
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2:21PM on 10/15/2012
All of the "rules" you just made up definitely apply to circles of friends. But you guys run a movie website, where thousands of people come for news. It's pretty simple: Put all the spoilers you want in your articles, just put a spoiler warning before the spoiler. And for the love of God, DON'T USE A PICTURE OF THE SPOILER AS THE THUMBNAIL FOR THE ARITCLE. I'm referring to your recent story of Breaking Bad. Kind of unbelievable that you guys would put that up. Oh well, too late now.
All of the "rules" you just made up definitely apply to circles of friends. But you guys run a movie website, where thousands of people come for news. It's pretty simple: Put all the spoilers you want in your articles, just put a spoiler warning before the spoiler. And for the love of God, DON'T USE A PICTURE OF THE SPOILER AS THE THUMBNAIL FOR THE ARITCLE. I'm referring to your recent story of Breaking Bad. Kind of unbelievable that you guys would put that up. Oh well, too late now. Personally, if I wasn't current on the show I'd have left Joblo and never come back. It's just too risky. I mean you guys spoiled like 3 seasons of tv for some people with that. Don't you have some kind of approval process before articles go up?

Anyway, I'll never be able to relate to the writer of this article. I hate any and all kinds of spoilers, and try my best to watch a trailer only once, and avoid all TV spots. To each his own, I guess.
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2:19PM on 10/15/2012
All of the "rules" you just made up definitely apply to circles of friends. But you guys run a movie website, where thousands of people come for news. It's pretty simple: Put all the spoilers you want in your articles, just put a spoiler warning before the spoiler. And for the love of God, DON'T USE A PICTURE OF THE SPOILER AS THE THUMBNAIL FOR THE ARITCLE. I'm referring to your recent story of Breaking Bad. Kind of unbelievable that you guys would put that up. Oh well, too late now.
All of the "rules" you just made up definitely apply to circles of friends. But you guys run a movie website, where thousands of people come for news. It's pretty simple: Put all the spoilers you want in your articles, just put a spoiler warning before the spoiler. And for the love of God, DON'T USE A PICTURE OF THE SPOILER AS THE THUMBNAIL FOR THE ARITCLE. I'm referring to your recent story of Breaking Bad. Kind of unbelievable that you guys would put that up. Oh well, too late now. Personally, if I wasn't current on the show I'd have left Joblo and never come back. It's just too risky. I mean you guys spoiled like 3 seasons of tv for some people with that. Don't you have some kind of approval process before articles go up?

Anyway, I'll never be able to relate to the writer of this article. I hate any and all kinds of spoilers, and try my best to watch a trailer only once, and avoid all TV spots. To each his own, I guess.
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12:28PM on 10/15/2012

Spoiler Alert

E.T. was an alien
E.T. was an alien
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11:17AM on 10/15/2012
I agree going on a movie site is a dangerous thing for people who haven't seen the movies. There are some spoilers I still won't out-and-out say, like "The Usual Suspects." I have way too much respect for the way that movie played with my expectations to go blabbering it to someone else seventeen years later. I think the tasteful thing to do is not to talk about everything that happened in a movie, either way. Even with spoilers, sometimes a movie is strong enough to function either way. "The
I agree going on a movie site is a dangerous thing for people who haven't seen the movies. There are some spoilers I still won't out-and-out say, like "The Usual Suspects." I have way too much respect for the way that movie played with my expectations to go blabbering it to someone else seventeen years later. I think the tasteful thing to do is not to talk about everything that happened in a movie, either way. Even with spoilers, sometimes a movie is strong enough to function either way. "The Sixth Sense," while a movie I still think is pretty good, really only works if the first time you saw it you went in cold.

There are some definitions of spoilers that play fast and loose with the terminology. They reveal a plot-point in the trailer, and suddenly they ruined the movie! Okay, maybe that happens sometimes, but usually the plot-point is exactly that. When "The Town" came out, there were people upset because in the trailer they revealed Ben Affleck was one of the bank-robbers that took Rebecca Hall. As it was presented in the trailer, it looked like a big reveal, but it was shown in the first few minutes of the movie.
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10:55AM on 10/15/2012
I agree with everything other than the "one year for a movie" rule. I personally don't think that's enough--I know if I still haven't seen a movie that came out five, ten, even twenty years ago, I'll still avoid spoilers as much as possible.
I agree with everything other than the "one year for a movie" rule. I personally don't think that's enough--I know if I still haven't seen a movie that came out five, ten, even twenty years ago, I'll still avoid spoilers as much as possible.
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9:57AM on 10/15/2012
I spoke with a producer for a trailer company in L.A. earlier in the year and he said that for mainstream audiences, the more you show in the trailer, the more people will see the film on average.
I spoke with a producer for a trailer company in L.A. earlier in the year and he said that for mainstream audiences, the more you show in the trailer, the more people will see the film on average.
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9:33AM on 10/15/2012
Do you guys really think you can going go without watching a movie for a year and still not see spoilers? This is the internet, everything is a spoiler once a film has been released. Its strictly impossible to tell everyone not to talk about spoilers from a film while discussing it. Its the readers fault if they havent watched the movie and no writer or poster should have to tiptoe when talking about a certain film thats been out for months. You havnt seen the movie? Tough luck, get off the
Do you guys really think you can going go without watching a movie for a year and still not see spoilers? This is the internet, everything is a spoiler once a film has been released. Its strictly impossible to tell everyone not to talk about spoilers from a film while discussing it. Its the readers fault if they havent watched the movie and no writer or poster should have to tiptoe when talking about a certain film thats been out for months. You havnt seen the movie? Tough luck, get off the internet and grow some balls. The world doesnt end cause you know something like Agent Coulson died.
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8:41AM on 10/15/2012
I'm down with the points listed above. If you cant catch up on a show or a movie within a 365 day span, seriously, its your own fucking fault and I'm not gonna feel a bit bad if something I say about it ruins your day. I even think 4-5 months after the fact is more than plenty of time to get the newness off a movie or show. People like to discuss things, if you haven't seen something then for fucks sake, dont click on the article.
I'm down with the points listed above. If you cant catch up on a show or a movie within a 365 day span, seriously, its your own fucking fault and I'm not gonna feel a bit bad if something I say about it ruins your day. I even think 4-5 months after the fact is more than plenty of time to get the newness off a movie or show. People like to discuss things, if you haven't seen something then for fucks sake, dont click on the article.
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8:38AM on 10/15/2012

Dont go online if you dont want spoilers

If you dont want plot points spoiled, then dont go read articles pertaining to the movie/show. Its the same as walking into a circle of people who are talking about a movie you havent seen then throwing a tantrum when they say something about it.

The worst Ive seen was last May, 2 months after the Walking Dead season finale. Some guy was on here cussing everyone out about ruining the death of Shane. What a loser! If you have time to keep hopping on the internet and reading articles about a
If you dont want plot points spoiled, then dont go read articles pertaining to the movie/show. Its the same as walking into a circle of people who are talking about a movie you havent seen then throwing a tantrum when they say something about it.

The worst Ive seen was last May, 2 months after the Walking Dead season finale. Some guy was on here cussing everyone out about ruining the death of Shane. What a loser! If you have time to keep hopping on the internet and reading articles about a movie/show, then you have time to go rent it/see it/download it and watch it.
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8:43AM on 10/15/2012
Haha .. i was just thinking of the exact same thing when I read this article. I dont remember who it was, but it was fantastic this guy blowing a fucking gasket. I think the article was about the death of Shane being revealed on the Blu- Ray package before it was released. Good Stuff!!!
Haha .. i was just thinking of the exact same thing when I read this article. I dont remember who it was, but it was fantastic this guy blowing a fucking gasket. I think the article was about the death of Shane being revealed on the Blu- Ray package before it was released. Good Stuff!!!
2:21PM on 10/15/2012
Unless the boneheads of the site you're reading decide to use a spoiler as the thumbnail for the article. Can't really unsee that, can you...
Unless the boneheads of the site you're reading decide to use a spoiler as the thumbnail for the article. Can't really unsee that, can you...
3:18PM on 10/15/2012
How about this ccapel: see the movie or show rather than a website and you wont have that problem
How about this ccapel: see the movie or show rather than a website and you wont have that problem
7:10AM on 10/15/2012

The question shouldn't be "what" is a spoiler, but "how" does JoBlo deal with them...

Because the "what" is kind of agreed to already. But to be clear on one point you didn't specifically call out -- if it is in the trailer it is NOT a spoiler. The trailers are everywhere. So if you say "Argo is about 6 people who got out of Iran in 1979 through a secret CIA plot to pretend they were in a fake movie", that's fine...cuz that's what I know so far from the trailer.

I'd rather this site and everyone who posts it just follows simple courtesy and says "**SPOILER ALERT**" before
Because the "what" is kind of agreed to already. But to be clear on one point you didn't specifically call out -- if it is in the trailer it is NOT a spoiler. The trailers are everywhere. So if you say "Argo is about 6 people who got out of Iran in 1979 through a secret CIA plot to pretend they were in a fake movie", that's fine...cuz that's what I know so far from the trailer.

I'd rather this site and everyone who posts it just follows simple courtesy and says "**SPOILER ALERT**" before spoilers, or do what Vishal said -- cover them by making the text and background colors identical so people have to highlight the text to see the spoiler. Hell, have your coders insert a "mark part of my post as a spoiler" button so we can do this with tools you provide. Failing that, I'll keep using the ALL CAPS way of alerting.
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5:33AM on 10/15/2012
I can see your point about a movie & a TV show thats a year later or a season ago as not really being spoilers. I for one do not let spoilers bother me because people talk about things that catch their attention or by surprise, it's human nature. Why people get upset is really on that person alone not the person or website who chose to reveal the information.

Case in point & no I will not spoil persay but give information on a recent TV show. A couple weeks ago Sons of Anarchy featured
I can see your point about a movie & a TV show thats a year later or a season ago as not really being spoilers. I for one do not let spoilers bother me because people talk about things that catch their attention or by surprise, it's human nature. Why people get upset is really on that person alone not the person or website who chose to reveal the information.

Case in point & no I will not spoil persay but give information on a recent TV show. A couple weeks ago Sons of Anarchy featured the death of a very popular character that shocked many fans. On facebook many people reacted both good & bad to the episode. Other's either in a different country or time zone got extremely pissed off when the outcome of the episode was spoiled for them. The page had nearly 35,000 plus responses & people were defending themselves saying well they chose to click on the page & how could they not know the spoilers would be on the page if it's in the title. it was a mixed reaction all around & some were funny & some were downright rude & even threatening & I just felt the need to share this story in the strikeback.
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4:12AM on 10/15/2012

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The one year rule may not work out for everyone as most of us are not in the business of writing about movies and thus don't get to watch movies more frequently as you guys do. Thus, it is highly likely that a few good movies slip by some of us during its first year, that should not be the reason to spoil it.
The one year rule may not work out for everyone as most of us are not in the business of writing about movies and thus don't get to watch movies more frequently as you guys do. Thus, it is highly likely that a few good movies slip by some of us during its first year, that should not be the reason to spoil it.
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4:09AM on 10/15/2012

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I've said this before. Cover your spoilers/revealing news with a ticker tape like IMDB does. That way the viewers don't see it by accident. And thus of course, they don't get to complain.
I've said this before. Cover your spoilers/revealing news with a ticker tape like IMDB does. That way the viewers don't see it by accident. And thus of course, they don't get to complain.
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7:56AM on 10/15/2012
This!
This!
11:12PM on 10/15/2012
You think people are going to stop complaining? It's the internet - it's all people do here.
You think people are going to stop complaining? It's the internet - it's all people do here.
5:00AM on 10/16/2012
That @smooveluv, is a valid point. :-)
That @smooveluv, is a valid point. :-)
3:19AM on 10/15/2012
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Extra tidbit: I don't mind if there's any Spoiler in the news as long as there's a Spoiler Alert at least in Caplock and in one paragraph before the actual paragraph that contains the Spoiler. What I consider a spoiler is a real plot twist, i.e. Bruce Willis is actually a ghost in The Sixth Sense, the whole plot of Cabin in the Woods that they fight a horde of demons to save the world on in The Midnight Meat Train whereas in the end Bradley Cooper character became the new
***SPOILER ALERT***
Extra tidbit: I don't mind if there's any Spoiler in the news as long as there's a Spoiler Alert at least in Caplock and in one paragraph before the actual paragraph that contains the Spoiler. What I consider a spoiler is a real plot twist, i.e. Bruce Willis is actually a ghost in The Sixth Sense, the whole plot of Cabin in the Woods that they fight a horde of demons to save the world on in The Midnight Meat Train whereas in the end Bradley Cooper character became the new Butcher.
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