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Zack Snyder on why there's "no winning anymore for Superman" in BvS

03.02.2016

One of the common criticisms directed towards MAN OF STEEL had to do with the destruction of a large portion of Metropolis during Superman's battle with General Zod and the likely great loss of life that resulted. As we've seen in the various trailers for BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, those actions won't be forgotten and Superman (Henry Cavill) will have to answer for them. Zack Snyder spoke with DC All Access recently and revealed that Superman wont just be criticized for instances of large-scale destruction, but for every action he takes.

Over the last two years he’s basically been Superman as pop culture would know him. He’s been righting wrongs, there have been floods, mines have collapsed, bridges have collapsed, churches have caught on fire. He’s basically been a hero. When we find him, he’s been dealing with the everyday world of being a superhero, but there’s a paradigm shift happening in that the unintended consequences of some of those rescues are starting to come into fruition. He’s starting to see that every action has a reaction. Like, if you’re just taking a cat out of a tree, you can’t touch anything or the arborists will say, ‘He damaged the tree branch when he got the cat down.’ Or, ‘The cat wasn’t neutered, so now there’s thousands of cats.’ There’s no winning anymore for Superman.

Snyder continued by discussing how Batman's (Ben Affleck) initial views of the Man of Steel is what sparks the conflict between the two heroes.

It’s interesting to see how Batman perceives Superman, because he doesn’t know who Superman is. All he knows is the public face of Superman. And if you have an idea about someone or if you start to doubt someone’s intentions, you can always read in the media, you can always see the face that you want to see, based on how it’s reported. Batman’s seen the destruction of Metropolis. That’s the thing he knows for a fact. So if thousands die, is that okay? What next? Millions? Is everyone okay with that? Because I’m not. That’s Batman’s point of view.

BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE hits theaters on March 25, 2016.

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4:05PM on 03/03/2016
So Batman secretly watches Superman rescuing kittens from trees and toddlers trapped down wells before coming to the conclusion that he's a serious threat to the world? Yeah, that would make sense in a Snyder movie.
So Batman secretly watches Superman rescuing kittens from trees and toddlers trapped down wells before coming to the conclusion that he's a serious threat to the world? Yeah, that would make sense in a Snyder movie.
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11:38AM on 03/03/2016
I guess I should be happy that the thing that bothered me most about MOS is going to be really addressed here. Some of what Snyder said though actually brought to mind The Incredibles, with actions having reactions.

But is that Superman is screwed. He can never be the Golden Boy now. I'm more okay with it than I was at first, and I give it to Snyder for believing actions have reactions.
I guess I should be happy that the thing that bothered me most about MOS is going to be really addressed here. Some of what Snyder said though actually brought to mind The Incredibles, with actions having reactions.

But is that Superman is screwed. He can never be the Golden Boy now. I'm more okay with it than I was at first, and I give it to Snyder for believing actions have reactions.
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4:33AM on 03/03/2016
MOS was a film of two halves for me. Up until Superman escapes from Zod's ship towards the end of the second act I thought I was perhaps seeing the best adaptation of Superman ever put to screen, but then the third act left me feeling gradually numbed and oddly bored as it devolved into a computer game (my personal experience). I found myself enjoying the quieter character driven moment over what felt like the excess on the finale. My personal hope it that Snyder can bring more feeling to
MOS was a film of two halves for me. Up until Superman escapes from Zod's ship towards the end of the second act I thought I was perhaps seeing the best adaptation of Superman ever put to screen, but then the third act left me feeling gradually numbed and oddly bored as it devolved into a computer game (my personal experience). I found myself enjoying the quieter character driven moment over what felt like the excess on the finale. My personal hope it that Snyder can bring more feeling to the action so that I remain invested. I'm not sure that's what will happen though I like what I read above. Tickets purchased. Fingers crossed.
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11:31PM on 03/02/2016
Wait what? Bvs is 2 years after mos? By the trailer, with Affleck running into destroyed metropolis, I assumed it was pretty much right after mos. The time gap doesn't make sense. If supes has just been preventing church fires for 2 years, surely batman (who now brands criminals) would have heard about that, and prolly seen it on utube. Why is batman still so angry to the extent he wants to destroy him? It makes more sense if the MOS events are fresh
Wait what? Bvs is 2 years after mos? By the trailer, with Affleck running into destroyed metropolis, I assumed it was pretty much right after mos. The time gap doesn't make sense. If supes has just been preventing church fires for 2 years, surely batman (who now brands criminals) would have heard about that, and prolly seen it on utube. Why is batman still so angry to the extent he wants to destroy him? It makes more sense if the MOS events are fresh
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12:25AM on 03/03/2016
That's essentially the prologue: the events of Man of Steel from Bruce Wayne's point of view.

The movie jumps to two years later.
That's essentially the prologue: the events of Man of Steel from Bruce Wayne's point of view.

The movie jumps to two years later.
8:06AM on 03/03/2016
But unless there was another event, wouldn't bats stance soften? It just seems like he would pick a fight soon after MOS
But unless there was another event, wouldn't bats stance soften? It just seems like he would pick a fight soon after MOS
9:03AM on 03/03/2016
Would his stance soften? He saw firsthand the destruction caused by Superman. Being Batman and seeing the true evil in the world, he's become jaded in his view of the world (according to numerous statements from cast/crew on the movie). He's carried that first impression of Superman to form an undeniable POV towards him.

Sure he might see the youtube videos or news stories about Superman savings people, but look at the majority of Americans in today's age. They make a decision on
Would his stance soften? He saw firsthand the destruction caused by Superman. Being Batman and seeing the true evil in the world, he's become jaded in his view of the world (according to numerous statements from cast/crew on the movie). He's carried that first impression of Superman to form an undeniable POV towards him.

Sure he might see the youtube videos or news stories about Superman savings people, but look at the majority of Americans in today's age. They make a decision on something, whether it be political or religious, and no matter what evidence you show to these people, their stance will not change. So I think it would be perfectly reasonable for Batman to keep up suspicions of Superman over 2 years.

Additionally, for Batman to wait 2 years to take on Superman doesn't seem completely out of the question either. When has Batman ever been portrayed as someone that dives head-on into a fight without assessing the situation. I'd believe he probably spends 2+ years just researching the guy to find weaknesses and figure out how to beat him. Armored Batsuits need to be manufactured and test drove before you take it out for it's major fight.
8:18PM on 03/02/2016
Sooo... By the way, wasn't there like millions of stolen Kryptonian DNA still stored in Superman's body? When would that plot point be resolved?
Sooo... By the way, wasn't there like millions of stolen Kryptonian DNA still stored in Superman's body? When would that plot point be resolved?
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7:27PM on 03/02/2016
It'll be interesting to see Superman seen as somewhat of the 'bad guy' throughout the course of the film based off the prior events in Man of Steel. And it'll also be interesting to see what Superman does and how he reacts with those the labels of hatred by the non believers. Even though this isn't a direct up Man of Steel sequel, it'll be nice to know and see that Clark still has somewhat of an ongoing arc from the first film that hopefully won't be pushed aside or buried in the excitement and
It'll be interesting to see Superman seen as somewhat of the 'bad guy' throughout the course of the film based off the prior events in Man of Steel. And it'll also be interesting to see what Superman does and how he reacts with those the labels of hatred by the non believers. Even though this isn't a direct up Man of Steel sequel, it'll be nice to know and see that Clark still has somewhat of an ongoing arc from the first film that hopefully won't be pushed aside or buried in the excitement and debut over Batman, and Wonder Woman.
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11:57PM on 03/02/2016
Snyder said this is a straight up sequel to MOS. that was like 6-12 months ago tho, so he may not agree with that statement anymore. But for his 2nd film that's co-starring and introducing batman, prolly the most popular DC (and marvel?) hero, and has him featured first in supes sequel, I'd say it's safe to say his arc is being pushed aside. I've said it before, but I think they should've made this basically all in batmans POV.
Snyder said this is a straight up sequel to MOS. that was like 6-12 months ago tho, so he may not agree with that statement anymore. But for his 2nd film that's co-starring and introducing batman, prolly the most popular DC (and marvel?) hero, and has him featured first in supes sequel, I'd say it's safe to say his arc is being pushed aside. I've said it before, but I think they should've made this basically all in batmans POV.
1:35AM on 03/03/2016
it's an interesting parallel. Cops experience that kind of hatred everyday. Simply because of a few bad apples. Cops are shit on and vilified every day. 99% of them are GOOD people wanting to make a difference and risk th eir life day in and day out.
it's an interesting parallel. Cops experience that kind of hatred everyday. Simply because of a few bad apples. Cops are shit on and vilified every day. 99% of them are GOOD people wanting to make a difference and risk th eir life day in and day out.
7:05PM on 03/02/2016
I'm cool with that approach. I like it. Writers have always been saying how hard it is to write for Supes, citing how hard it is to bring any conflict into a story about a guy who can do almost anything. I just hope Snyder and co remember to inject lots more heart and warmth into the character who's now literally and figuratively a symbol of hope.
I'm cool with that approach. I like it. Writers have always been saying how hard it is to write for Supes, citing how hard it is to bring any conflict into a story about a guy who can do almost anything. I just hope Snyder and co remember to inject lots more heart and warmth into the character who's now literally and figuratively a symbol of hope.
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6:44PM on 03/02/2016
There sure is a lot of Zack Snyder news today.
There sure is a lot of Zack Snyder news today.
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8:14PM on 03/02/2016
WB's PR is in full swing and paying for any and every article they can get published.
WB's PR is in full swing and paying for any and every article they can get published.
10:13PM on 03/02/2016
It was his birthday 2 days ago!!
It was his birthday 2 days ago!!
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