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Raimi talks Spidey 4 Oct. 13, 2009
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Villain speculation on SPIDER-MAN 4 is only surpassed by villain speculation on BATMAN 3 (DARK KNIGHT 2?), but it's still a hot topic for debate nonetheless. But with a lot of Peter Parker's remaining foes a bit on the cartoonish side, what bad guy will fit with the tone of the movie?

MTV sat down with Sam Raimi to talk villains, and though he didn’t drop a name, he said who he liked and didn’t, and explained his rationale behind the villain(s) he has chosen for the next film. "I love the Lizard," said Raimi. "

"There's a great story there in the Marvel comic books about Dr. Connors. I'm less familiar with Carnage." Raimi then took a long pause.

"I'm not allowed to say at this point," he confessed.

"What we're trying to do right now is really understand the journey Peter is going to go on this time and have the villain maybe be a counter to that growth, something that he has to overcome," Raimi said. "Or maybe he has to grow in a way to overcome the villain, because there always seem to be stories of coming of age, of a young man growing up and learning things about life, so once we are identifying the exact movement that Peter has to grow to, I think the villain—and we're trying this right now; we're trying to choose a villain based on who would be the proper counter to that growth, so we really have dramatic conflict."

Yeah, like when Peter Parker was going through his emo-hipster-dance phase, he logically fought Sandman, Green Goblin II and Venom, combining the emotional fragility of sand with the douchiness of air-snowboarding with the goth get-up of an alien symbiote. Dramatic conflict!

Whatever, at least Raimi seems like he’s thinking carefully about this decision, which is somewhat reassuring. But part of me thinking he’s just ready to be done with this series so he can go have fun making WORLD OF WARCRAFT with hot Night Elf babes.

Extra Tidbit: Alright, what villain(s) do you want?

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revenge
kurofusen
2:22AM on 10/15/2009
Not trying to defend SM3, but all 3 baddies were justified (if convoluted) in the over-arcing revenge/redemption theme.

I'd like to see Peter dealing with the further mutation of his powers in the next ...
Not trying to defend SM3, but all 3 baddies were justified (if convoluted) in the over-arcing revenge/redemption theme.

I'd like to see Peter dealing with the further mutation of his powers in the next film. The lizard would be a perfect villain in this case and... if done properly...(braces for backlash) they could introduce Carnage as the ultimate evil that Spidey could become if his evolution goes out of control.

There. I said it. I'd like to see Carnage.
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RizzleB
2:12AM on 10/15/2009
Why doesn't anybody remember that Spidey 1 & 2 were great? I'm looking forward to this one. I say Lizard and Kraven...or Lizard and Kingpen. And gimme Bruce's cameo as Mysterio.
Why doesn't anybody remember that Spidey 1 & 2 were great? I'm looking forward to this one. I say Lizard and Kraven...or Lizard and Kingpen. And gimme Bruce's cameo as Mysterio.
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Tailgunner
2:38PM on 10/14/2009
It's about time we got the Lizard. I'd be cool with Mysterio or the Scorpion, too, or any of the old-school villains. But that bit about Carnage worries me. I hope he's not having carnage forced upon him; that char...
It's about time we got the Lizard. I'd be cool with Mysterio or the Scorpion, too, or any of the old-school villains. But that bit about Carnage worries me. I hope he's not having carnage forced upon him; that character is even more aweful than Venom.
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I say...
JacksColdSweat
11:21AM on 10/14/2009
bring on Connors and the Lizard. Probably the most logical step to take seeing as how they've built up to it throughout the last flicks.
bring on Connors and the Lizard. Probably the most logical step to take seeing as how they've built up to it throughout the last flicks.
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Battosai
6:03AM on 10/14/2009
Sinister Six!!!
Sinister Six!!!
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Venom3344
2:17AM on 10/14/2009
The lizard has to be in the next one. It would just be really ridiculous if he isn't. Also, the look of him needs to be creepy looking, but at the same time really bad ass. Kind of like when you first see the face of ...
The lizard has to be in the next one. It would just be really ridiculous if he isn't. Also, the look of him needs to be creepy looking, but at the same time really bad ass. Kind of like when you first see the face of the predator in predator.
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Kraven
lanekelley
12:01AM on 10/14/2009
Need Jeffery Dean Morgan as Kraven, who comes to town to hunt spider-man, along the way he hunts down the lizard, and maybe other villains..like scorpion or rhino. Not more origin stories, just jump in with already ha...
Need Jeffery Dean Morgan as Kraven, who comes to town to hunt spider-man, along the way he hunts down the lizard, and maybe other villains..like scorpion or rhino. Not more origin stories, just jump in with already having the rhino in there and scorpion, too. Jeffery dean morgan could fill Kraven's role, easy, though!
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Doctor Zubian
6:32AM on 10/14/2009
exactly what i wanna see, Kraven hunting The Lizard and Spiderman
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Bruce as Mysterio
track100
11:31PM on 10/13/2009
I'm using The Secret to make this happen
I'm using The Secret to make this happen
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Will Be Awesome
JoeChar4321
10:35PM on 10/13/2009
I can't wait for this one! Raimi is going to blow people away. I think he took it personal when some fanboys whined about SM3. It wasn't his fault that they crammed Venom down his throat and in to that film. He's taki...
I can't wait for this one! Raimi is going to blow people away. I think he took it personal when some fanboys whined about SM3. It wasn't his fault that they crammed Venom down his throat and in to that film. He's taking this back to SM2 quality and I'm all for it regardless of the villain.
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drc5145
10:03PM on 10/13/2009
The Lizard is absolutely the next logical choice. It has potential to give us a villain that was as good as, if not, better than Alfred Molina's Doc Ock from Spidey 2.
The Lizard is absolutely the next logical choice. It has potential to give us a villain that was as good as, if not, better than Alfred Molina's Doc Ock from Spidey 2.
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Ayestrain
10:00PM on 10/13/2009
They've got to do Chameleon and Mysterio in the next. I know I'm in the minority here but I would also like to see Hobgoblin someday..
They've got to do Chameleon and Mysterio in the next. I know I'm in the minority here but I would also like to see Hobgoblin someday..
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Netforce
9:50PM on 10/13/2009
For extra tidbit: The Lizard, Shocker.
For extra tidbit: The Lizard, Shocker.
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eh.
emjoi
9:07PM on 10/13/2009
IMVHO, Spidey 3 felt like that's enough.
That's your little story told and resolved.

"4" movies often feel like one movie too many... Superman 4, Alien 4.
IMVHO, Spidey 3 felt like that's enough.
That's your little story told and resolved.

"4" movies often feel like one movie too many... Superman 4, Alien 4.
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pcch7
7:56PM on 10/13/2009
Kraven
Kraven
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Natty
7:24PM on 10/13/2009
Lizard sounds good to me. I would also like something more like Spiderman 2 that focuses on Peter Parker as a character and it sounds like that's what Raimi is for.

This WILL be better than Spidey 3 I'm...
Lizard sounds good to me. I would also like something more like Spiderman 2 that focuses on Peter Parker as a character and it sounds like that's what Raimi is for.

This WILL be better than Spidey 3 I'm sure, as Raimi was pretty much forced to include Venom.
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grow?
egon_spengler
6:29PM on 10/13/2009
I'm a huge huge huge Spidey fan, and loved SM1 and 2, but 3 was an abortion. And for the record, I don't think Spiderman (Tobey, at least) needs to grow any more, I think he needs to actually LOSE some weight...
I'm a huge huge huge Spidey fan, and loved SM1 and 2, but 3 was an abortion. And for the record, I don't think Spiderman (Tobey, at least) needs to grow any more, I think he needs to actually LOSE some weight...
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Heisenberg
6:09PM on 10/13/2009
The logical choice is Lizard, and I would LOVE that to happen. But I think the person most peeps would like to see is Mysterio, better that Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. Is there anything that could possible top that fo...
The logical choice is Lizard, and I would LOVE that to happen. But I think the person most peeps would like to see is Mysterio, better that Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. Is there anything that could possible top that for awesomeness. Me thinks, probably... But at this point...yeah
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Heisenberg
6:09PM on 10/13/2009
The logical choice is Lizard, and I would LOVE that to happen. But I think the person most peeps would like to see is Mysterio, better that Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. Is there anything that could possible top that fo...
The logical choice is Lizard, and I would LOVE that to happen. But I think the person most peeps would like to see is Mysterio, better that Bruce Campbell as Mysterio. Is there anything that could possible top that for awesomeness. Me thinks, probably... But at this point...yeah
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tp4ever84
6:09PM on 10/13/2009
I am upset. I had a sense that drew me here, something about the next Batman film. Paul, YOU cannot mention Batman and The Dark Knight 2 in your articles, some of us have a sixth sense and are drawn to it somehow th...
I am upset. I had a sense that drew me here, something about the next Batman film. Paul, YOU cannot mention Batman and The Dark Knight 2 in your articles, some of us have a sixth sense and are drawn to it somehow then you dissapoint us. Again, do not mention The Batman and not have anything useful
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Brer B8a
5:49PM on 10/13/2009
When is Peter going to be all grown up? This should be the film where he is all grown up and is now a veteran superhero. No more bullshit about sacrifice and what he is meant to do blah blah..Like stranger said as wel...
When is Peter going to be all grown up? This should be the film where he is all grown up and is now a veteran superhero. No more bullshit about sacrifice and what he is meant to do blah blah..Like stranger said as well, make the villain an asshole from the get go.
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CARNAGE
Miguelito
5:37PM on 10/13/2009
...or Lizard would be cool. Both that he mentioned. Someone said Electro. YEEEEESSS!
...or Lizard would be cool. Both that he mentioned. Someone said Electro. YEEEEESSS!
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CARNAGE
Miguelito
5:36PM on 10/13/2009
...or Lizard would be cool. Both that he mentioned. Someone said Electro. YEEEEESSS!
...or Lizard would be cool. Both that he mentioned. Someone said Electro. YEEEEESSS!
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anomaly7
5:35PM on 10/13/2009
I hope it's the lizard, but I wonder if it will still be Dylan Baker. Since he's not as well known as the other actors who were cast as villians, I wonder if they will feel the need to cast a bigger name. Carnage wo...
I hope it's the lizard, but I wonder if it will still be Dylan Baker. Since he's not as well known as the other actors who were cast as villians, I wonder if they will feel the need to cast a bigger name. Carnage would be cool and make up for the lame venom in 3, but i think they should build him up for a villian in the 5th or 6th film.
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Miguelito
5:34PM on 10/13/2009
...or Lizard would be cool. Both that he mentioned. Someone said Electro. YEEEEESSS!
...or Lizard would be cool. Both that he mentioned. Someone said Electro. YEEEEESSS!
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In other news...
The_Soloist
5:33PM on 10/13/2009
I think Thomas Jane should be cast as Captain America. Who is with me?
I think Thomas Jane should be cast as Captain America. Who is with me?
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Miguelito
5:35PM on 10/13/2009
Needs to be someone more charismatic with presence and that really distinguished all-American look. Jane's just kind of bland.
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The_Soloist
5:31PM on 10/13/2009
that the villan should be Dr. Connors. If they were not going to do anything with him, then they would not have him making so many apperances in the movies. I also think that they should have Carnage and Venom in th...
that the villan should be Dr. Connors. If they were not going to do anything with him, then they would not have him making so many apperances in the movies. I also think that they should have Carnage and Venom in the sequels and then they should end the ffranchise at 6.
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Let Me Get This Straight....
Smiert Spionam
5:13PM on 10/13/2009
...after all this talk about there being more than a few treatments and drafts submitted already from several different writers,you fuckers STILL haven't even picked a villain yet?

Get the fuck outta he...
...after all this talk about there being more than a few treatments and drafts submitted already from several different writers,you fuckers STILL haven't even picked a villain yet?

Get the fuck outta here....
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Miguelito
5:36PM on 10/13/2009
let them take their time. spiderman 3 was only 2 years ago, and they need to get this one right.
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Animal Cravings
Blanka
4:57PM on 10/13/2009
Dr. Conners and other doctor create gene splicing. Dr. Conners regrows his arm .... changes into lizard. Bat genes to help stop anemic disease in other doctor ... Morbius. Peter is beginning to slowly become more a...
Dr. Conners and other doctor create gene splicing. Dr. Conners regrows his arm .... changes into lizard. Bat genes to help stop anemic disease in other doctor ... Morbius. Peter is beginning to slowly become more arachnid .... man spider. Morbius gets stopped when he absorbs spider mutation. Conners captured and given retrovirus. Epic battles
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T DUBBS
4:52PM on 10/13/2009
Elctro. And maybe they could ditch that lame Venom movie and just put him back in Spidey4?
Elctro. And maybe they could ditch that lame Venom movie and just put him back in Spidey4?
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Well....
Stranger496
4:34PM on 10/13/2009
Green Goblin was driven crazy to become a villain by the gas, GG 2 was driven crazy by his father's ghost and the gas, Doc Ock was driven crazy by his arms, Venom was driven crazy by the suit...uh Sandman for some rea...
Green Goblin was driven crazy to become a villain by the gas, GG 2 was driven crazy by his father's ghost and the gas, Doc Ock was driven crazy by his arms, Venom was driven crazy by the suit...uh Sandman for some reason was bad then good and boring in the middle, but why not just use a villain who has the means and intelligence to be bad and then actually DECIDES to be bad such as the Vulture. Sure we're all sick of flying villains by now, but there's always room to improve. Get Ben Kingsley and I'm sold on #4.
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NO_FUN
5:49PM on 10/13/2009
People don't realise but that is supposed to be the whole point of Doc ock, he gains the power and decides to use it for bad and his own gain, the opposite to what Peter Parker chooses to do. People don't realise that, and though he was cool in spiderman 2, was done totally wrong. Doc ock's journey is supposed to be the same as Peter parker's up until when he chooses to go bad.
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Dr.Frankenstein
4:19PM on 10/13/2009
Man Wolf (foundation is already in place + he could act as an ally of Spider Man ultimately in the film) also-Gangster, Hammer Head! and yes it's time to bring to fruition the Lizard!... because the tease has gone on...
Man Wolf (foundation is already in place + he could act as an ally of Spider Man ultimately in the film) also-Gangster, Hammer Head! and yes it's time to bring to fruition the Lizard!... because the tease has gone on long enough!
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sneekyfox
3:09PM on 10/13/2009
as long as the dont pull a 'hulk' with the graphics for conners/lizard. i would love to see bruce cambell as a small time villian who keeps getting caught by spiderman and truely wants to be bad but just cant compete ...
as long as the dont pull a 'hulk' with the graphics for conners/lizard. i would love to see bruce cambell as a small time villian who keeps getting caught by spiderman and truely wants to be bad but just cant compete with the real bad guys. in the relm of being more then a cameo but not really a full out character.one of those ' how the hell do you keep getting out of jail and how did you get here?" characters
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Jig Saw 123
3:00PM on 10/13/2009
The Lizard sounds on par with the emotional journey Peter needs to overcome as a hero. The Green Goblin didn't really provide that aspect and neither did Dr. Octopus. Sandman was a copout, Green Goblin II was served a...
The Lizard sounds on par with the emotional journey Peter needs to overcome as a hero. The Green Goblin didn't really provide that aspect and neither did Dr. Octopus. Sandman was a copout, Green Goblin II was served as a wrap up of what was occurring for the pass three films, and Venom was just to please fans.

If the villain is Carnage, Mysterio, or Rhino, I'll be pissed.
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csdot
2:48PM on 10/13/2009
the lizard would seem like natural choice, i mean they keep teasing us with connors in all 3 films. i remember early on they mention Morbius, that could be an interesting second villain as i believe they were linked i...
the lizard would seem like natural choice, i mean they keep teasing us with connors in all 3 films. i remember early on they mention Morbius, that could be an interesting second villain as i believe they were linked in some way in the early comics. it would give raimi a chance to flex his fun horror muscles some more since hes proven hes still got it with DMTH
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Stick with the Classics, Spidey...
boognish
2:39PM on 10/13/2009
Here's an idea- The Lizard is on a rampage in New York. Spidey knows it's his friend Conners so he has to stop the Lizard without hurting him. Now evn in New York a giant, street brawling, Iguana-Man is going to raise...
Here's an idea- The Lizard is on a rampage in New York. Spidey knows it's his friend Conners so he has to stop the Lizard without hurting him. Now evn in New York a giant, street brawling, Iguana-Man is going to raise a few eyebrows. So, through the sensational coverage of the Daily Bugle, the Lizard comes to the attention of Kraven the Hunter. Having already killed at least one evry other animal on the planet, he has become bored with the hunt and the prospect of this vicious new game has piqued his interest. so, Spidey has to Stop Kraven from killing Connors/Lizard while trying to stop the Lizard from disemboweling New York. Where's the emotional connection you ask? I don't know. But it would make one kick-ass Spidey flick.
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sneekyfox
2:57PM on 10/13/2009
i think the whole emotional conflict would stem from peter parker being friends with conners and that 1/2 of his friends all seem to inexplicably turn into villans. oh and you could always have craven hunt spiderman too, and have a go at picking up mary jane.
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undead uncle ben!
deja vu
2:26PM on 10/13/2009
morbius reveals that it was he who really killed uncle ben and now uncle ben is an undead blood sucking fieeend.
morbius reveals that it was he who really killed uncle ben and now uncle ben is an undead blood sucking fieeend.
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Wrong track...
JimmyArrow
2:12PM on 10/13/2009
As much as I like Raimi, I never thought he got the tone of spider-man right. Stan Lee always talked about Parker's personnal life but he never turned his comics into coming-of-age, afterschool-specials type of storie...
As much as I like Raimi, I never thought he got the tone of spider-man right. Stan Lee always talked about Parker's personnal life but he never turned his comics into coming-of-age, afterschool-specials type of stories. Spider-Man needs to be heroic and save other people, not just his friends and family!
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spider-man 3 had the vallain/conflict thing down pat
TAE K
1:58PM on 10/13/2009
the conflict of spider-man 3 was all about battling your rage and controlling your power. thats why the villains were: the person who killed his uncle, his best friend-turned enemy, and an annoying bitch who's trying...
the conflict of spider-man 3 was all about battling your rage and controlling your power. thats why the villains were: the person who killed his uncle, his best friend-turned enemy, and an annoying bitch who's trying to ruin his career.

all three of them had personal stakes in peters life, and weren't just random villains. not only were they spider-man villains, they were peter parker villains.

the movie may have sucked, but i got what raimi was talking about in that aspect.
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hmmm
vesaker
1:50PM on 10/13/2009
I'd say Conners as Lizard and some sort of story where someone finds a goblin stash and we finally get a cool looking Hobgoblin.
I'd say Conners as Lizard and some sort of story where someone finds a goblin stash and we finally get a cool looking Hobgoblin.
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Lizard, definitely
UnkemptFilmFan
1:38PM on 10/13/2009
But as long as Carnage keeps popping up, how about Crispin Glover for the role? Unless I'm totally off, the voice is perfect and I doubt Glover will have a problem playing a serial killer.
But as long as Carnage keeps popping up, how about Crispin Glover for the role? Unless I'm totally off, the voice is perfect and I doubt Glover will have a problem playing a serial killer.
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I'd like this
Caddy Cads
1:27PM on 10/13/2009
Connors still has some alien symbiote in his lab (Experiments with it- Lizard is born- Some of the symbiote escapes lab)- Creates Carnage(Jackie Earle Haley) - Spidey Defeats Lizard- Connors comes back tells Spidey he...
Connors still has some alien symbiote in his lab (Experiments with it- Lizard is born- Some of the symbiote escapes lab)- Creates Carnage(Jackie Earle Haley) - Spidey Defeats Lizard- Connors comes back tells Spidey he can't fight Carnage Alone- Venom comes back to help Spidey fight Carnage (Because he is that Badass)- Defeat Carnage - Venom goes away does his solo movie thing - Win
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SHOCKER
ExarKoontz
1:01PM on 10/13/2009
lol j/k! Either Electro or Kraven The Hunter
lol j/k! Either Electro or Kraven The Hunter
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Lizard
Servo
12:37PM on 10/13/2009
It makes sense for the emotional growth aspect. Connors as the villain would affect the lives of both Spiderman and Peter, the same way the first two villains did.
It makes sense for the emotional growth aspect. Connors as the villain would affect the lives of both Spiderman and Peter, the same way the first two villains did.
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Lizard
BuckNasty1138
12:21PM on 10/13/2009
If they don't finally bring in Lizard than I will be pissed. They've built Dr. Connors character up from the very begining, giving him more and more screen time each movie. They also have a great actor in Dylan Baker....
If they don't finally bring in Lizard than I will be pissed. They've built Dr. Connors character up from the very begining, giving him more and more screen time each movie. They also have a great actor in Dylan Baker. THey don't even need another villain if they go with Lizard. Hes powerful enough to be a major threat to Spidey, no need to throw anyone else in there.
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