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Face-Off: Superman Returns vs. Man of Steel

03.22.2016by: Brian Bitner
In our previous Face-Off, we unleashed two mysterious monster movies against each other in CLOVERFIELD vs. MONSTERS. While I probably like MONSTERS more, I conceded that CLOVERFIELD is the better film overall, an opinion every single one of you who responded seemed to share.

This weekend, after a decade or so of Batman vs. Superman rumors, Zack Snyder's BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE finally hits theaters. Superman has had plenty of ups and downs in the movie world, but it looks like we now have a stable son of Krypton in Henry Cavill. Bryan Singer unsuccessfully attempted to reboot the Superman franchise in 2006, which Zack Snyder followed up with his own successful reboot in 2013. Both films were met with a fair bit of criticism, though, so this week it's a battle of tights in SUPERMAN RETURNS V MAN OF STEEL!
LEAD
While he doesn't bring much new to the role, Brandon Routh does a solid job as both Superman and Clark Kent. In a film that wants to pay tribute to the Christopher Reeve era, Routh is a great choice. It's kind of weird he's now playing a different DC character on TV, right?
Henry Cavill might actually be Superman. This guy is ripped, handsome, charming, powerful, and anything else you might want in a superhero. I'll be interested to see whether we get to see a classically dorky Clark Kent in BvS, but as for this film, Cavill knocks it out of the stratosphere.
SUPPORTING CAST
Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane
Marlon Brando (archived) as Jor-El
Frank Langella as Perry White
Eva Marie Saint as Martha Kent
James Marsden as Richard White
Parker Posey as Kitty Kowalski
Sam Huntington as Jimmy Olsen
Tristan Lake Leabu as Jason White

Between SUPERMAN RETURNS, X-MEN, and THE NOTEBOOK, James Marsden finds himself very specifically typecast as the guy who is involved with the lead's love interest but isn't a bad guy so it's complicated.
Amy Adams as Lois Lane
Russell Crowe as Jor-El
Laurence Fishburne as Perry White
Diane Lane as Martha Kent
Kevin Costner as Jonathan Kent
Christopher Meloni as Colonel Nathan Hardy
Harry Lennix as General Swanwick
Antje Traue as Faora-Ul

The MAN OF STEEL cast certainly gives a more grounded performance all around, but I'm calling this a tie as I think the actors in both movies give exactly the performances their respective movies call for.
VILLAIN
Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor is dream come true casting. Spacey gives a familiar John Doe, Frank Underwood, smug bad guy performance but also isn't afraid to occasionally take the character off the rails. Unfortunately, Luthor is just not an interesting villain in this film. Between his real estate plan, his thugs doing all of his dirty work, and the tee-hee Lex and Kitty on an island ending, the villain here feels like more of a joke than a threat.
As General Zod, Michael Shannon does his usual thing of almost taking a character too far. If this film was less hammy, I'd say his performance was too much, but Shannon is exactly the Zod MAN OF STEEL needs. As for the character, Zod feels sufficiently dangerous- a constant threat both to Superman and the planet Earth. It's also nice to have a villain who feels justified and righteous in his reasoning in a way that almost makes us understand where he's coming from.
PLOT
Superman returns to Earth after five years away just in time for Lex Luthor to unleash a master plan to shove some crystals together thereby creating a giant land mass. Billions will die in the process, but it's okay because real estate is super exciting.
General Zod comes to Earth to seek out Kal-El, bringing with him a tentacled dubstep world engine that will turn Earth into Krypton unless the polarity of the phantom drive is singularized and you know what I have no idea what this movie is about nobody wins this category.
DIRECTING
It's impressive how well Bryan Singer captures the feel of Richard Donner's SUPERMAN films. Unfortunately, he spends so much time focused on that and that alone that the film suffers as a result. For one, it's a 2006 movie trying to pay homage to movies from the late 1970's which themselves feature a heavy 1940's/1950's influence. The result is a film that feels a little goofy at times and takes some getting used to. Moreover, most people's primary problem with SUPERMAN RETURNS is how boring they find it. For a movie that might have been pretty solid at two hours or so, SUPERMAN RETURNS clocks in at a chubby, unwarranted 2:34.
There is a beautiful hour or so in the middle of this film- no doubt heavily influenced by Christopher Nolan's involvement. The downside is that the somber, real moments make the rest of the movie look ridiculous by comparison. The pacing and tone are incredibly disjointed, and Zack Snyder eventually does the Zack Snyder thing where he tries to see how much eye candy he can shove into every scene. For a film that spends so much time trying to be gritty and grounded, it opens with a twenty minute long scene on Krytpon that feels more like THOR or AVATAR than any Superman movie we've ever seen. Oh, and let's not forget the moment Zod throws a satellite at Superman after they wrassle their way into space.
WRITING
"How many F's in catastrophic?" This is a question the Pulitzer Prize winning Lois Lane asks in a movie Bryan Singer claims he made primarily for women. Because SUPERMAN RETURNS is trying to be several things at once, the writing feels equally disjointed, ranging from "gee willikers" moments all the way up to parallels of Superman as a tortured Christ figure. I really like a lot of what this film was trying to do; it just never quite got there.
MAN OF STEEL also has plenty of issues. The technobabble scene where Superman and the scientists discuss how to stop the world engine actually gave me a visceral reaction the first time I saw it and took me out of the rest of the movie as a result. That said, many of the down to earth, philosophical moments are quite strong and are among the few things that keep MAN OF STEEL from feeling like just another comic book movie.
FAITHFULNESS
Here's where I have to give SUPERMAN RETURNS a point. Incorporating unused footage of Marlon Brando, adopting John Williams' theme, and keeping the playful and iconic tone of a classic superhero story all make this movie stand out as something special, even if only to fans of the early films.
I'm sure the more comic booky of you will tell me how MAN OF STEEL is incredibly faithful to a specific Superman series or whatever, but the bloated CGI-laden action, the convoluted plot, and the dark tone just make this feel like some other comic book movie that Superman stumbled into.
BOX OFFICE & ACCOLADES
IMDB: 6.1
Rotten Tomatoes: 76% (Audience Score: 61%)
Metacritic: 72 (User Score: 6.6)
Domestic Total Gross: $200,081,192
IMDB: 7.2
Rotten Tomatoes: 56% (Audience Score: 76%)
Metacritic: 55 (User Score: 7.5)
Domestic Total Gross: $291,045,518
MAN OF STEEL
Okay, we all knew how this one was going to end, but I have neither the hate for SUPERMAN RETURNS nor the love for MAN OF STEEL that a lot of movie fans seem to have, so I wanted to see what a side by side comparison looked like. I'm sure you Snyder fans out there will tell me how MAN OF STEEL should have won even harder than it did, but there's just too much pomp and inconsistency for me to let it have a run away victory. Are you excited to check out BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE this weekend, or are you more excited for the other angsty billionaire vs. superhuman dogooder film, which shall henceforth be known as IRON MAN V CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR?

Agree? Disagree? Which do you prefer?
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If you have a suggestion for a future Face-Off, let us know below or send me an email at brianbitner@joblo.com.

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10:33AM on 03/23/2016
Superman Returns is a better film.
Superman Returns is a better film.
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11:47AM on 03/26/2016
I watched it again today, and it definitely had some better film moments and still retained some of the magic and wonder that the reeves version embodied. Man of Stool was just a bore to watch and I actually felt depressed watching it.
I watched it again today, and it definitely had some better film moments and still retained some of the magic and wonder that the reeves version embodied. Man of Stool was just a bore to watch and I actually felt depressed watching it.
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4:11AM on 03/23/2016
They both suck!
They both suck!
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1:06AM on 03/23/2016
Both are spectacularly meh. But MoS is slightly less meh, so it wins be default.
Both are spectacularly meh. But MoS is slightly less meh, so it wins be default.
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12:16AM on 03/23/2016

Superman....

I feel torn between both movies somewhat. I never really cared for "Man of Steel" at all, but a bad Superman is better than none. As for "Returns", the first 30 minutes of the movie were wonderful, but the last 2 hrs. absolutely drug on and on and on. As for the two, Amy Adams is the better at Lois Lane (Bosworth was horrid and unsuited to the character) but not by much. Langella is a better Perry White than Fishburne.

Best villain of the two movies and best part of
I feel torn between both movies somewhat. I never really cared for "Man of Steel" at all, but a bad Superman is better than none. As for "Returns", the first 30 minutes of the movie were wonderful, but the last 2 hrs. absolutely drug on and on and on. As for the two, Amy Adams is the better at Lois Lane (Bosworth was horrid and unsuited to the character) but not by much. Langella is a better Perry White than Fishburne.

Best villain of the two movies and best part of "Returns"...Spacey's Luthor. Hands down best yet.

Sadly, Chris Reeve's Superman beats them both by a longshot. Now if they could bring back some of the feelings that I felt when seeing that for the first time, we'd have something. Superman has a lot to be desired for the future that is for sure.
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7:16PM on 03/22/2016

Man of Steel

No contest here, As much as i didn't care for Man of Steel, it destroys Superman Returns in every way. Superman Returns is the turd in the punch bowl of super hero movies. That terrible plot, and that ridiculous Superman costume. It's pretty much unwatchable.
No contest here, As much as i didn't care for Man of Steel, it destroys Superman Returns in every way. Superman Returns is the turd in the punch bowl of super hero movies. That terrible plot, and that ridiculous Superman costume. It's pretty much unwatchable.
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6:44PM on 03/22/2016
I prefer Superman Returns. It had some problems (the son), but Superman saving the plane feels more heroic than anything in Man of Steel. Also, I feel the scores make a big difference. Williams' theme is just iconic and feels like a theme for Superman should. I like Zimmer, but MoS was one of his weaker efforts and mainly focused on action and loudness.
I will say that MoS is probably a better starting point for a cinematic universe though.
I prefer Superman Returns. It had some problems (the son), but Superman saving the plane feels more heroic than anything in Man of Steel. Also, I feel the scores make a big difference. Williams' theme is just iconic and feels like a theme for Superman should. I like Zimmer, but MoS was one of his weaker efforts and mainly focused on action and loudness.
I will say that MoS is probably a better starting point for a cinematic universe though.
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5:44PM on 03/22/2016
Man of Steel. Faora-Ul is one hot Kryptonian
Man of Steel. Faora-Ul is one hot Kryptonian
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7:16PM on 03/22/2016
She's the best part of the movie.
She's the best part of the movie.
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3:37PM on 03/22/2016
Look, while I didn't like Man of Steel I liked Superman Returns even less. However, just like Brian Bitner (who writes this column) had to give the win to Cloverfield, in spite of his personal preference,Ihave to admit that Suprman Returns is the better made film. The reviews (despite the fan criticism) definiutely reflect this: Superman Returns is a full 20 points higher on Rotten Tomatoes and 17 higher on Metacritic. Also, while I like Cavil as an actor, and don't dislike him as Superman (we
Look, while I didn't like Man of Steel I liked Superman Returns even less. However, just like Brian Bitner (who writes this column) had to give the win to Cloverfield, in spite of his personal preference,Ihave to admit that Suprman Returns is the better made film. The reviews (despite the fan criticism) definiutely reflect this: Superman Returns is a full 20 points higher on Rotten Tomatoes and 17 higher on Metacritic. Also, while I like Cavil as an actor, and don't dislike him as Superman (we never really got to see him Clark-proper in Man of Steel) I do think that Guy has a point when he says, "Whilst Cavill looks like Superman, he has none of the warmth, heart, charm or charisma that either Brandon Routh or the title character possess. "
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3:16PM on 03/22/2016

Both not very good

Both films aren't very good, but I like Superman Returns much better. At least is Superman Returns is about Superman. I'm not sure what Man of Steel is about.
Both films aren't very good, but I like Superman Returns much better. At least is Superman Returns is about Superman. I'm not sure what Man of Steel is about.
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3:38PM on 03/22/2016
I very much agree with this sentiment. Maybe your comment should be red though instead of green?
I very much agree with this sentiment. Maybe your comment should be red though instead of green?
3:07PM on 03/22/2016

They both sucked

Man Of Steel sucked less though... they both had terrible scripts... but MoS had a better villain, supporting cast and lead.
Man Of Steel sucked less though... they both had terrible scripts... but MoS had a better villain, supporting cast and lead.
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3:07PM on 03/22/2016

They both sucked

Man Of Steel sucked less though... they both had terrible scripts... but MoS had a better villain, supporting cast and lead.
Man Of Steel sucked less though... they both had terrible scripts... but MoS had a better villain, supporting cast and lead.
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2:25PM on 03/22/2016
Whilst Cavill looks like Superman, he has none of the warmth, heart, charm or charisma that either Brandon Routh or the title character possess. I literally don't remember a single line of his dialogue that wasn't screaming.
Whilst Cavill looks like Superman, he has none of the warmth, heart, charm or charisma that either Brandon Routh or the title character possess. I literally don't remember a single line of his dialogue that wasn't screaming.
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1:34PM on 03/22/2016

Good and Bad

Both movies had their good points and bad. Even though I respected Singer's attempt to channel Donner as I still think the original Superman with Reeve is the best incarnation, he reused too many of the same jokes and plot lines. I thought Routh did a superb job as Superman/Clark. Spacey was a great Luthor. Bosworth not so much. Throwing in a Super-son I thought was a horrible Idea. I did love them using Noel Neil in the movie but wish it was in some other capacity. Man of Steel: Cavill is a
Both movies had their good points and bad. Even though I respected Singer's attempt to channel Donner as I still think the original Superman with Reeve is the best incarnation, he reused too many of the same jokes and plot lines. I thought Routh did a superb job as Superman/Clark. Spacey was a great Luthor. Bosworth not so much. Throwing in a Super-son I thought was a horrible Idea. I did love them using Noel Neil in the movie but wish it was in some other capacity. Man of Steel: Cavill is a great Superman. He embodies the part and seems just as humble as the man he plays. I did think the Zod storyline was a bit too corny. Definitely hated Lois discovering Clark's identity so fast and so easily. Should only take a genius like Luthor 2 seconds to figure it out if she could and every other human on Earth not much longer. Love Amy Adams. (side note: being an extra in BvS she really was very nice and didn't mind talking to us extras.Snyder also was friendly) All in all MOS beats out SR. If only Henry had some of that magic Kryptonian amnesia lip balm used in Superman II.
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1:03PM on 03/22/2016

MoS.....obviously

I am not a big Snyder fan, but his film was vastly superior to Singer's. I don't even find myself popping by when Returns is on free TV (except for the airplane scene, which was pretty cool). The rest of the film was just a mess. Lex magically finds the Fortress, somehow can operate it, Clark didn't tell anyone he was leaving, the really bizarre thing with Lex and his old wife, way too much boredom, the whole real estate plot, a really badly miscast Lois Lane (even though I normally like
I am not a big Snyder fan, but his film was vastly superior to Singer's. I don't even find myself popping by when Returns is on free TV (except for the airplane scene, which was pretty cool). The rest of the film was just a mess. Lex magically finds the Fortress, somehow can operate it, Clark didn't tell anyone he was leaving, the really bizarre thing with Lex and his old wife, way too much boredom, the whole real estate plot, a really badly miscast Lois Lane (even though I normally like Bosworth), and a child story.....which NO ONE ON THE PLANET wanted!

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12:54PM on 03/22/2016
No way Man of Steel wins on writing. Both films sucked, but at least Returns told a story. Man of Steel was a series of redundant montages loosely connected together, and it had some of the worst dialog ever spoken on screen. MoS had an awful mess of a script.
No way Man of Steel wins on writing. Both films sucked, but at least Returns told a story. Man of Steel was a series of redundant montages loosely connected together, and it had some of the worst dialog ever spoken on screen. MoS had an awful mess of a script.
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12:03PM on 03/22/2016
Are you kidding me? What a joke face-off. Man of Steel wins by a country mile.
Are you kidding me? What a joke face-off. Man of Steel wins by a country mile.
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11:36AM on 03/22/2016
This is a face off I think needed to happen, and I largely agree with you about it. For all that I liked about Returns it's a very flawed film. For all my problems with MOS it did certain things very right (Cavill is pretty perfect as Superman). Superman is probably the hardest superhero to do justice because he represents a sort of purity and nerdy fantasy, is as iconic as Batman without the cynicism of Gotham, and generally lacks the human flaws that make Marvel's most famous characters. I
This is a face off I think needed to happen, and I largely agree with you about it. For all that I liked about Returns it's a very flawed film. For all my problems with MOS it did certain things very right (Cavill is pretty perfect as Superman). Superman is probably the hardest superhero to do justice because he represents a sort of purity and nerdy fantasy, is as iconic as Batman without the cynicism of Gotham, and generally lacks the human flaws that make Marvel's most famous characters. I simply expect more form Superman than I do from any other superhero.
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11:25AM on 03/22/2016

MAN OF STEEL

I actually felt asleep during Superman Returns, say anything about MOS but at least it has some action in it!
I actually felt asleep during Superman Returns, say anything about MOS but at least it has some action in it!
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11:31AM on 03/23/2016
Sorry but I agree with Bobafett. I kept falling asleep trying to get through MOS, but I think because the whole washed out color pallet thing. I like Cavill but Zack directed him too morose and somber the whole time. And the action was too much CGI fest.
Sorry but I agree with Bobafett. I kept falling asleep trying to get through MOS, but I think because the whole washed out color pallet thing. I like Cavill but Zack directed him too morose and somber the whole time. And the action was too much CGI fest.
12:49PM on 03/22/2016
Zack Snyder deserves an award for that, even crappy action has been more entertaining that that CGI fest.
Zack Snyder deserves an award for that, even crappy action has been more entertaining that that CGI fest.
12:47PM on 03/22/2016
I actually fell asleep through Man of Steel, as I think it is the first time I have found action to be boring.
I actually fell asleep through Man of Steel, as I think it is the first time I have found action to be boring.
11:18AM on 03/22/2016
Now compare Ang Lee's Hulk with the shitty Incredible Hulk.
Now compare Ang Lee's Hulk with the shitty Incredible Hulk.
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6:08PM on 03/22/2016
ya sorry pal. Ang Lees hulk is some bizarre art house marvel film while Nortons is actually AMAZING.
ya sorry pal. Ang Lees hulk is some bizarre art house marvel film while Nortons is actually AMAZING.
1:06PM on 03/22/2016
Norton's Hulk? That was way better than Lee's bizarre face off between Bruce and his psycho father (and the magical lake finale).
Norton's Hulk? That was way better than Lee's bizarre face off between Bruce and his psycho father (and the magical lake finale).
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11:15AM on 03/22/2016
MAN OF STEEL: 5/10
SUPERMAN RETURNS: 6/10
MAN OF STEEL: 5/10
SUPERMAN RETURNS: 6/10
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11:13AM on 03/22/2016
Doesn't even seem fair to compare the two. One is an actual movie and the other is a series of fight scenes poorly edited together.
Doesn't even seem fair to compare the two. One is an actual movie and the other is a series of fight scenes poorly edited together.
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11:09AM on 03/22/2016
man of steel for me BUT superman with christopher reeve blows them both away imo....reeve was a better superman and kent....kidder was a much better lois lane and the story was more true to the original comic...also hackman was a MUCH better luthor....although i do think cavill and routh did a good job...amy adams is boring unless she starts showing her ass 😊
man of steel for me BUT superman with christopher reeve blows them both away imo....reeve was a better superman and kent....kidder was a much better lois lane and the story was more true to the original comic...also hackman was a MUCH better luthor....although i do think cavill and routh did a good job...amy adams is boring unless she starts showing her ass 😊
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1:09PM on 03/22/2016
The original was incredibly stupid though....Lex is going to detonate a nuclear bomb to improve his real estate holdings (which I'm sure won't raise any red flags with the government), his funny fat sidekick, a decided lack of action, and the idiotic conclusion (really.....flying really fast backward? Dumbest idea ever....).

It had huge high points (including the helicopter rescue and Air Force 1 scene), but was average overall.
The original was incredibly stupid though....Lex is going to detonate a nuclear bomb to improve his real estate holdings (which I'm sure won't raise any red flags with the government), his funny fat sidekick, a decided lack of action, and the idiotic conclusion (really.....flying really fast backward? Dumbest idea ever....).

It had huge high points (including the helicopter rescue and Air Force 1 scene), but was average overall.
11:08AM on 03/22/2016
man of steel for me BUT superman with christopher reeve blows them both away imo....reeve was a better superman and kent....kidder was a much better lois lane and the story was more true to the original comic...also hackman was a MUCH better luthor....although i do think cavill and routh did a good job...amy adams is boring unless she starts showing her ass 😊
man of steel for me BUT superman with christopher reeve blows them both away imo....reeve was a better superman and kent....kidder was a much better lois lane and the story was more true to the original comic...also hackman was a MUCH better luthor....although i do think cavill and routh did a good job...amy adams is boring unless she starts showing her ass 😊
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11:07AM on 03/22/2016
man of steel for me BUT superman with christopher reeve blows them both away imo....reeve was a better superman and kent....kidder was a much better lois lane and the story was more true to the original comic...also hackman was a MUCH better luthor....although i do think cavill and routh did a good job...amy adams is boring unless she starts showing her ass 😊
man of steel for me BUT superman with christopher reeve blows them both away imo....reeve was a better superman and kent....kidder was a much better lois lane and the story was more true to the original comic...also hackman was a MUCH better luthor....although i do think cavill and routh did a good job...amy adams is boring unless she starts showing her ass 😊
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11:10AM on 03/22/2016
Really! Amy Adams has no sex appeal what so ever. But definitely with you on the Reeves comment.
Really! Amy Adams has no sex appeal what so ever. But definitely with you on the Reeves comment.
11:00AM on 03/22/2016
I actually preferred Superman Returns to the Man of Stool. Although some ideas were terrible. The film itself had heart something which man of steel lacked and instead chose to give the audience a dumbed down movie of destruction porn. Superman Returns also kept the fortress of solitude as it should and always be. Something which for me is quintessential to the Mythos.
I actually preferred Superman Returns to the Man of Stool. Although some ideas were terrible. The film itself had heart something which man of steel lacked and instead chose to give the audience a dumbed down movie of destruction porn. Superman Returns also kept the fortress of solitude as it should and always be. Something which for me is quintessential to the Mythos.
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10:57AM on 03/22/2016

Tie?

Superman Returns sucks for the most part...but Roth did well. Not unlike Clooney in Batman Forever or Affleck in DD - they just had the misfortune of being in movies that didn't get it right. Then there's that plane scene...Superman comes to save the day...the crowd cheering...that was great Superman stuff. I really do love that plane scene - the kind of scene Man of Steel never had. That said, Man Of Steel had a knock it out of the stratosphere third trailer and the movie that trailer
Superman Returns sucks for the most part...but Roth did well. Not unlike Clooney in Batman Forever or Affleck in DD - they just had the misfortune of being in movies that didn't get it right. Then there's that plane scene...Superman comes to save the day...the crowd cheering...that was great Superman stuff. I really do love that plane scene - the kind of scene Man of Steel never had. That said, Man Of Steel had a knock it out of the stratosphere third trailer and the movie that trailer promised only made up the first half of the end product. Both movies ultimately left me disappointed...but Man of Steel left me more disappointed coz...well...it got me so stoked up for it. Think I'll call it a tie...nonetheless.
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10:56AM on 03/22/2016

Man of Steel

very easy
SUPERMAN RETURNS was sooooo politically correct...
very easy
SUPERMAN RETURNS was sooooo politically correct...
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10:52AM on 03/22/2016
Man of Steel for me. I lost interest once I know Lex Luthor's big plan.
Man of Steel for me. I lost interest once I know Lex Luthor's big plan.
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10:49AM on 03/22/2016

Man of Steel easily.

It kept my attention for starters. Superman Returns is just a cure for insomnia and a comic book superhero movie should never be that. And Lex Luthor's "diabolical plot" was just too Dr. Evil.

On top of that, I find it amusing Kal Penn was relegated to just another Luthor thug who barely had a chance to speak.
It kept my attention for starters. Superman Returns is just a cure for insomnia and a comic book superhero movie should never be that. And Lex Luthor's "diabolical plot" was just too Dr. Evil.

On top of that, I find it amusing Kal Penn was relegated to just another Luthor thug who barely had a chance to speak.
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10:40AM on 03/22/2016
I like SR more. Say what you will. Also - Kevin Spacey left off the supporting cast?
I like SR more. Say what you will. Also - Kevin Spacey left off the supporting cast?
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10:51AM on 03/22/2016
Kevin Spacey is in the villain section. Same reason why Michael Shannon was left off the supporting cast list for Man of Steel.
Kevin Spacey is in the villain section. Same reason why Michael Shannon was left off the supporting cast list for Man of Steel.
10:36AM on 03/22/2016
Had a great time watching Superman Returns, saw it three times in the theater. Man of Steel just wanted to make me vomit.
Had a great time watching Superman Returns, saw it three times in the theater. Man of Steel just wanted to make me vomit.
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10:31AM on 03/22/2016
MAN OF STEEL is infinitely better than SR.
MAN OF STEEL is infinitely better than SR.
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10:27AM on 03/22/2016

Man of Steel

Man of Steel wins this easily. It finally showed us an adult version of Superman that ACTUALLY demonstrates his powers to full potential and gave the comic hero the attitude and relevancy he needed after the failure of Superman Returns and the success of Nolan's Batman trilogy that shadowed over Supeman.

Plus, it's the origin of the whole new DCU which has lead us to Dawn of Justice, Suicide Squad, etc. Something if Superman Returns (if more successful) would have never have inspired.
Man of Steel wins this easily. It finally showed us an adult version of Superman that ACTUALLY demonstrates his powers to full potential and gave the comic hero the attitude and relevancy he needed after the failure of Superman Returns and the success of Nolan's Batman trilogy that shadowed over Supeman.

Plus, it's the origin of the whole new DCU which has lead us to Dawn of Justice, Suicide Squad, etc. Something if Superman Returns (if more successful) would have never have inspired.

And Routh was terrific in the role, but I enjoy the more ruggedness Cavill brought with Man of Steel.
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7:50PM on 03/22/2016
My biggest issue with Man of Steel is how unbalanced it was. The first half starts promisingly enough with posing the question of how the world would react to Superman, but also shows us Superman/Kent saving people. From the school bus to the oil rig, he's going out of his way to rescue people. And then the second half shits all over that and throws it out the window. Superman literally hops over an gas tanker and lets it explode against the building behind him with barely a concern. This is
My biggest issue with Man of Steel is how unbalanced it was. The first half starts promisingly enough with posing the question of how the world would react to Superman, but also shows us Superman/Kent saving people. From the school bus to the oil rig, he's going out of his way to rescue people. And then the second half shits all over that and throws it out the window. Superman literally hops over an gas tanker and lets it explode against the building behind him with barely a concern. This is all to do with Goyer's terrible writing and Snyder wanting to make stuff go boom. Although, Riz-man, that might be interesting to make him fall so he can rise, but I dunno, like I said, MOS showed him being the hero before he donned the suit.
4:20PM on 03/22/2016
TheRealKalEl - I really do hope BvS allows Superman to shine (atoning, as you say) the way I really thought he'd shine in MoS. If Synder's master plan was to make Superman fall so that he could then rise...then okay, I guess and I'll take back the stance I have on this movie. As it stands, my problem with Mos is the direction they took it in - as Bobafett2 bought up, the scenes in Superman 1 show Reeve's Superman getting years of training before he becomes Superman and I also think the movies
TheRealKalEl - I really do hope BvS allows Superman to shine (atoning, as you say) the way I really thought he'd shine in MoS. If Synder's master plan was to make Superman fall so that he could then rise...then okay, I guess and I'll take back the stance I have on this movie. As it stands, my problem with Mos is the direction they took it in - as Bobafett2 bought up, the scenes in Superman 1 show Reeve's Superman getting years of training before he becomes Superman and I also think the movies benefited from having Zod show up later (the second movie). Mos didn't allow Cavill's Superman that time because by activating the ship, he alerted Zod to Earth (a point where Cavill's Superman could have been shown to be feeling guilty about - sure, we know it wasn't his fault - but all heroes do that, right?). I thought Garfield's Spidey was a real douch and ruined the ending of the first movie when he went back on Stacey's dying wish in proper douchy style by saying that promises are meant to be broken line but then the second film redeemed it greatly with the Stacey scenes and the whole Parker feeling guilty for going back on his word. Whilst AS2 still wasn't great, Garfield's Parker was at least back in my good books. Hopefully the same can be said of Cavill's Superman once this weekend has gone by :o)
1:37PM on 03/22/2016
I hear you Riz man, but in the christopher reeves version, there is that beautiful scene where Kal El first goes to the fortress of solitude and spends years of training there. In MOS he basically finds a ship, gets told he is special and wham bam thank you Mam he is now superman , who like you says, takes on an army of trained warriors.
Absolute nonsense.
I hear you Riz man, but in the christopher reeves version, there is that beautiful scene where Kal El first goes to the fortress of solitude and spends years of training there. In MOS he basically finds a ship, gets told he is special and wham bam thank you Mam he is now superman , who like you says, takes on an army of trained warriors.
Absolute nonsense.
12:26PM on 03/22/2016
Superman 2 does jump ahead in time as hes cleaning up the mess Zod and the others made, and again he was an established Superman....I dont believe his scream at crying after killing Zod was solely because he killed Zod either, but for the destruction that had just happened , the weight of everything he went through. And sure the final battle didn't have him saving anyone (except for a falling Lois ofcourse)....what time did Zod give him to turn his back to Zod to try and save someone? This
Superman 2 does jump ahead in time as hes cleaning up the mess Zod and the others made, and again he was an established Superman....I dont believe his scream at crying after killing Zod was solely because he killed Zod either, but for the destruction that had just happened , the weight of everything he went through. And sure the final battle didn't have him saving anyone (except for a falling Lois ofcourse)....what time did Zod give him to turn his back to Zod to try and save someone? This wasn't Terrance Stamps Zod who was giving speeches and wanting to rule, this was a Zod who wanted to kill, was using all of his powers to kill Superman, his actual line to Superman was "I'm going to make them suffer, Kal. These humans you've adopted, I will take them all from you one by one." Zods frame of mind and what he was doing more directly effect what Superman was able to do more than anything else, if Superman caught a building to save people Zod would have snapped his neck as easily as Superman snapped his earlier, the two years we will see in Dawn of Justice will show his atoning for what happened in Man of Steel and him becoming the Superman we know, The Reeves movies weren't building at a larger universe, didn't have cause and effect or used to drive plots of other movies (BvS, Justice League) What they showed or didnt show and how they went about everything in MoS was done for a reason, even if you cant accept there was literally no other choice for Superman other than how things went, surely you can see why it was written that way for the purposes of the bigger picture and to let the character evolve, right?
12:05PM on 03/22/2016
I have had so many Internet spats about MoS on the issues TheRealKalEl brings up. I've never had an issues with the level of destruction or the people dying...it's the lack of care or guilt we see from Cavill's Superman that did it for me - I put this down to poor writing - more happy to give us super powered fights. How often did the main Superman 2 fight show moments of Reeve's Superman caring for the innocent bystanders? You even get Superman apologising to the President at the end,
I have had so many Internet spats about MoS on the issues TheRealKalEl brings up. I've never had an issues with the level of destruction or the people dying...it's the lack of care or guilt we see from Cavill's Superman that did it for me - I put this down to poor writing - more happy to give us super powered fights. How often did the main Superman 2 fight show moments of Reeve's Superman caring for the innocent bystanders? You even get Superman apologising to the President at the end, clearly feeling guilty for his ill timed hiatus. How hard was it for the writers to add those kinds of moments to MoS? Instead we get a MoS whose going to kiss Lois (with witnesses present) and after mass fatalities that he's played a part in causing and one who aggressively objects to the military trying to spy on him (I mean, seriously, did he have to destroy that drone in the manner he did?). I get it, he's a wet behind the ears Supes...and needs time to become something better...but the first half of the movie went to great lengths to show us that he was on the way to becoming that guy. I also don't think the wet behind the ears argument works that well considering that he did just outwit and outfight an army of born and bred Kryptonian warriors.
11:46AM on 03/22/2016
you can't put 75 years of history on a character who literally just put on the costume, Superman has (in the comics) suffered his fair share of tragedies that have lead him to become the person he is (which includes not being able to save Cat Grants son from the Toyman, who killed the boy) It makes no sense what so ever for him to be the Superman we all know on day 1, even the Christopher Reeves version had to rewind time to save lives and he didn't face off against Zod until Superman 2, when
you can't put 75 years of history on a character who literally just put on the costume, Superman has (in the comics) suffered his fair share of tragedies that have lead him to become the person he is (which includes not being able to save Cat Grants son from the Toyman, who killed the boy) It makes no sense what so ever for him to be the Superman we all know on day 1, even the Christopher Reeves version had to rewind time to save lives and he didn't face off against Zod until Superman 2, when he was a more experienced version of Superman. In Superman 2, Superman first took Zod and the other Kryptonians powers and THEN he killed them, basically he knew he had tech to take their powers and he could get rid of them, something that Superman did not have, they tried to use the Phantom Zone as a place to send the Kryptonians but Zod escaped, and was now enraged, if Superman left the fight he would have killed everyone there until he returned, I believe Faora said to him for ever life you save we will kill a million more, so thats what he was up against. And when Superman left in Superman 2, I believe Zod took over the country, do you think the Man of Steel Zod would have sat quietly behind the desk in the oval?? There are multiple comics where Superman fights in metropolis, where civilians are killed and the city is destroyed or damaged, Superman CANT prevent every death and save everyone, does he try? sure, they tired to send all the Kryptonians away in MoS but Zod remained, so what could he do? He leaves Zod kills everyone, so he has to fight, the fight even left earth but Zod brought it back.

The Reeves movies are not Superman, just their version.
11:03AM on 03/22/2016
Sorry but Superman is supposed to lead by example, he is supposed to be bigger in terms of morals and why he sacrificed his image in Superman 2 by looking like a coward when he flies away from Zod all so that he can save the people from being hurt in the destruction. Showing off power by destroying buildings is not who Superman is.
Sorry but Superman is supposed to lead by example, he is supposed to be bigger in terms of morals and why he sacrificed his image in Superman 2 by looking like a coward when he flies away from Zod all so that he can save the people from being hurt in the destruction. Showing off power by destroying buildings is not who Superman is.
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