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Rumor: New spoilers give us insight into how The Dark Knight will be portrayed in Batman vs Superman

Nov. 15, 2013by: Alex Maidy

So many Batman rumors, so little time. First it was casting rumors for additional roles in Zack Snyder's BATMAN VS SUPERMAN and now everyone is up in arms about the costume Kevin Smith claims to have seen. Either way, we are far enough away from the movie entering principal photography that all we have are rumors. The latest rumor though may have some heft behind it based on who it comes from.

Daniel Alter, a producer at Warner Bros and Relativity, has tweeted some details about Ben Affleck's Batman role and how he will be portrayed in BATMAN VS SUPERMAN:

Now Alter is not a producer on MAN OF STEEL or BATMAN VS SUPERMAN so what he is saying could simply be pieced together from what has already been spread around the Internet. We already heard that Batman would be more grizzled and aged than he was in Christopher Nolan's trilogy, but we did not hear anything about controlling drones from the Batcave. That would be an interesting take on the character and would support that roles are being sought for Nightwing versus Robin, further supporting Alter's tweet.

Whichever route they go with Batman in the movie, I am excited to see a different take than we have had since Tim Burton's first film. Batman's story has been told so many times that we don't need another origin. Jumping into a late-career Batman is definitely going to give us something new on the big screen.

BATMAN VS SUPERMAN starring Ben Affleck, Henry Cavill, Laurence Fishburne, Amy Adams, and directed by Zack Snyder hits theaters on July 17, 2015.

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4:42AM on 11/28/2013

finally, something promising...

i really think this is the right way to go with the character... this is actually what i had imagined the best way to portray him, after finding out Nolan's trilogy was at an end, and to be rebooted in the new Batman/Superman film.... and that way, you dont have to introduce each new character's origins right away, and can have more freedom to add more, and make a more dynamic, future-continuity, where its like the time has jumped ahead, and the Nolan trilogy were the origin films, looking into
i really think this is the right way to go with the character... this is actually what i had imagined the best way to portray him, after finding out Nolan's trilogy was at an end, and to be rebooted in the new Batman/Superman film.... and that way, you dont have to introduce each new character's origins right away, and can have more freedom to add more, and make a more dynamic, future-continuity, where its like the time has jumped ahead, and the Nolan trilogy were the origin films, looking into the past... it makes the most realistic sense, and has so many perfect starting points and directions to take it, and leaves both series flawless in its connectivity in continuity, without explaining or having a hard time believing the difference in actors and the difference of their portrayals of the roles, because now were so much farther into Bruce's timeline, that he's a completely different man, and a more defined realization of who and what he &/or Batman is, not only in respects to himself, but to Gotham City and his legend and influence in that.... i think they couldnt have chosen a more perfect direction to go, if you ask me, and truly hope this rumor is true! they just have to make sure that Affleck's aging is believable and intricately realistic....
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9:41AM on 11/18/2013
Still very neutral on all of this. It's interesting though, if true. One of my nitpickings of Nolan's Batman was that Bale wasn't Batman for that long. I mean, Begins and TDK was, what, a year apart of something (granted he probably worked darn hard in that year)? Then he goes on an 8 year hiatus and comes back for another short stint during which his back is broken...disappears for 5 months...and comes back for one more show. Hopefully this version of Batman will have had more field time.
Still very neutral on all of this. It's interesting though, if true. One of my nitpickings of Nolan's Batman was that Bale wasn't Batman for that long. I mean, Begins and TDK was, what, a year apart of something (granted he probably worked darn hard in that year)? Then he goes on an 8 year hiatus and comes back for another short stint during which his back is broken...disappears for 5 months...and comes back for one more show. Hopefully this version of Batman will have had more field time.
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9:41AM on 11/18/2013
How about considering that most athletes retire in their 30's, and that considered old for what they do, the President ages about 20-25 years in the time they're in office from the stress, maybe 40-50 years old is old when you're Batman! And just because he's 41 in real life doesn't mean he can't play someone older. That way in the inevitable sequel, when he is older, they don't need to get another new actor that looks younger. See what happens when you use logic and think instead of internet
How about considering that most athletes retire in their 30's, and that considered old for what they do, the President ages about 20-25 years in the time they're in office from the stress, maybe 40-50 years old is old when you're Batman! And just because he's 41 in real life doesn't mean he can't play someone older. That way in the inevitable sequel, when he is older, they don't need to get another new actor that looks younger. See what happens when you use logic and think instead of internet nerd rage.
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1:56PM on 11/19/2013
100% agree with you. Logic....it wins every time!
100% agree with you. Logic....it wins every time!
6:08PM on 11/17/2013
How come everyone was fine with Bale's Batman wanting to retire at the end of TDKR but says Affleck is too young to retire when he's actually older than Bale? Sounds like people are just finding every little thing to bitch about. I, for one, am psyched to see Batman and Superman on the big screen for the first time ever.
How come everyone was fine with Bale's Batman wanting to retire at the end of TDKR but says Affleck is too young to retire when he's actually older than Bale? Sounds like people are just finding every little thing to bitch about. I, for one, am psyched to see Batman and Superman on the big screen for the first time ever.
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9:16PM on 11/17/2013
Because with TDKR, we had two previous movies that brilliantly established the character of Batman. We saw him pushed to the edge. We were shown his journey into retirement through an epic saga. TDKR never had to explain why Batman was retired, we already knew. We experienced it too. We cared for his character right off the bat. His retirement meant something to us.

This new film has nothing established. Batman starts off retired, we don't know why and we have no connection to this on any
Because with TDKR, we had two previous movies that brilliantly established the character of Batman. We saw him pushed to the edge. We were shown his journey into retirement through an epic saga. TDKR never had to explain why Batman was retired, we already knew. We experienced it too. We cared for his character right off the bat. His retirement meant something to us.

This new film has nothing established. Batman starts off retired, we don't know why and we have no connection to this on any level. It means nothing. They are going to have to explain everything to us, and there is no emotional connection through explanation. Someone below said to call this film Exposition the Movie, which is true. Too much exposition is one of the worst things a movie can do, and this film is going to need a lot of it just to catch us up to speed. Nightwing is in this, and there is obviously history there, such as why is he no longer Robin? Where did Robin even come from? Why should we care that two characters we don't know or have any attachment to had a falling out? Exposition is the only way they can answer these questions. But exposition will never make us care.

This is why Marvel films are working so well. They don't need exposition to explain where someone came from or how they got to that point, we already know because we already saw it through the previous movies. Marvel built their universe up brick by brick, and the audience was a part of it from the first brick. We know where War Machine came from, we saw it happen. We know the history between Loki and Thor, we saw their falling out. No explanation was needed for The Avengers, we were 100% with the characters from frame one.
4:01AM on 11/18/2013
Well I, being one of those who said Affleck is too young to play a retired Batman, can say that I was never one of those who liked the idea of a retired Batman in TDKR. Now keep in mind that a quite some time passes in TDKR and that Batman hasn't really retired but decided to pretty much call it quits altogether. I'll also add that I hated the Nolan Batman movies but that I am not really looking forward to this next one much more.
Well I, being one of those who said Affleck is too young to play a retired Batman, can say that I was never one of those who liked the idea of a retired Batman in TDKR. Now keep in mind that a quite some time passes in TDKR and that Batman hasn't really retired but decided to pretty much call it quits altogether. I'll also add that I hated the Nolan Batman movies but that I am not really looking forward to this next one much more.
4:42PM on 11/17/2013

I pray it's wrong!

If he is in fact controlling drones, I hope it is just around Metropolis. I am eager to see an aged Batman, but not that old. The idea of Batman just sitting around in his cave sipping on tea from Alfred angerly while he keeps tabs on his city with drones? It just doesn't sound like the Batman I know and love.
If he is in fact controlling drones, I hope it is just around Metropolis. I am eager to see an aged Batman, but not that old. The idea of Batman just sitting around in his cave sipping on tea from Alfred angerly while he keeps tabs on his city with drones? It just doesn't sound like the Batman I know and love.
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10:11AM on 11/17/2013

41 ain't old

WTF?! Are all you turkeys teenagers? Affleck is going to be great. I've been rewatching MoS over again on Blu Ray and I like it a lot more after multiple viewings. Can't wait for the sequel.
WTF?! Are all you turkeys teenagers? Affleck is going to be great. I've been rewatching MoS over again on Blu Ray and I like it a lot more after multiple viewings. Can't wait for the sequel.
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4:35AM on 11/17/2013
So Affleck who's, in real life, 41 plays a tired and semi retired Batman? I don't think Batman would hang up the cowl that young. Maybe if they had went with someone who's still fit enough but older (or older looking). Someone aged 55 maybe, then yeah, I couldn get Batman being a little tired.
So Affleck who's, in real life, 41 plays a tired and semi retired Batman? I don't think Batman would hang up the cowl that young. Maybe if they had went with someone who's still fit enough but older (or older looking). Someone aged 55 maybe, then yeah, I couldn get Batman being a little tired.
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2:54AM on 11/17/2013

all rumor, all speculation

the "Batman" Daniel is describing is somewhere after 2000 in the comics (I think) when Dick Grayson leaves for Bludhaven and ventures out on his own and he disassociates himself from Bruce Wayne , there was a LONG stretch where Batman doesn't have a sidekick at all after Jason Todd dies and then later one finds him and becomes the next Robin (Damien Wayne?)
it's a low period in Batman's career where basically he's out there each night just running on impulse, doing what he needs to do without
the "Batman" Daniel is describing is somewhere after 2000 in the comics (I think) when Dick Grayson leaves for Bludhaven and ventures out on his own and he disassociates himself from Bruce Wayne , there was a LONG stretch where Batman doesn't have a sidekick at all after Jason Todd dies and then later one finds him and becomes the next Robin (Damien Wayne?)
it's a low period in Batman's career where basically he's out there each night just running on impulse, doing what he needs to do without a Robin.
Beasides does ANYBODY thing that Batman will sent out drones to fight Superman? LOL
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10:37PM on 11/16/2013

Based on Spoilers

We can piece together the plot of the movie.

First of all, the main baddies are Lex Luthor and the Joker. That's for certain. If this is a tired old Bat man then The Joker is probably in prison at the beginning of the movie and Lex Luthor arranges to get him released. Lex Luthor is a businessman and Lexcorp and Wayne Enterprises will be rivals. Lex Luthor learns that Bruce Wayne is/was Batman and hopes The Joker will kill him. He doesn't. He kills Batman's love interest and puts
We can piece together the plot of the movie.

First of all, the main baddies are Lex Luthor and the Joker. That's for certain. If this is a tired old Bat man then The Joker is probably in prison at the beginning of the movie and Lex Luthor arranges to get him released. Lex Luthor is a businessman and Lexcorp and Wayne Enterprises will be rivals. Lex Luthor learns that Bruce Wayne is/was Batman and hopes The Joker will kill him. He doesn't. He kills Batman's love interest and puts Nightwing in the hospital. Meanwhile Superman is busy helping earthquake victims in China. Bruce Wayne suits up as Batman intending to kill The Joker. But he doesn't: after all these years of not killing he is not going to start. But then The Joker jumps to his death making it look like Batman threw him. Now Superman is after Batman. Batman says something to the effect of "Now you show up" and Superman says something to the effect of "I had more important things to deal with" which drives Batman nuts.

Batman knows he can't kill Superman and Superman doesn't want to kill Batman so the fight goes on longer than would normally make sense. Eventually, Batman finds a way to take Superman out. Then Lex Luthor shows up in Kryptonian armor and tells Batman that he did a great service for mankind and that he'll take it from here. At one point Lex Luthor calls Batman "Bruce". Batman looks at Lex Luthor and says "You're the one who got The Joker out of prison and told him I was Bruce Wayne." Lex Luthor looks at Batman and says "He was supposed to kill you. Looks like I will have to do that myself." Then Superman gets up and they explain that Superman wasn't really hurt: they just wanted to see what would happen if it looked as though Superman were mortally injured. Superman makes short work of Lex Luthor. Lex Luthor tells the world that Batman is Bruce Wayne but then Barry Allen is able to show that The Joker committed suicide and Batman didn't kill him so Bruce Wayne doesn't have to face any charges. The end.
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8:44PM on 11/16/2013
if he's old and tired then maybe batman should be portrayed by sylvester stallone. can't find a more old and tired -looking character than that. for ben affleck, he'll need some aging make-up and a lot of internalizing to look old and tired.
if he's old and tired then maybe batman should be portrayed by sylvester stallone. can't find a more old and tired -looking character than that. for ben affleck, he'll need some aging make-up and a lot of internalizing to look old and tired.
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7:33PM on 11/16/2013

Gotta be fake

Thats not a version of Batman anyone would want to see. So i'm sure it's not gonna happen.
Thats not a version of Batman anyone would want to see. So i'm sure it's not gonna happen.
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7:28PM on 11/16/2013

Holy crap people this is a joke

Like, as in Daniel is obviously making a joke here. Are you guys honestly SO starved for rumors that you're willing to take ANYTHING seriously??
I mean MY GOD, why am I the only one not treating this like a real spoiler? It's from a guy with no access to production, is clearly facetious, is tagged with the negatively connoted "batfleck", and references one of the sillier moments in Man of Steel (Drones? Come on)

Get your damn heads together, people. Good lord.
Like, as in Daniel is obviously making a joke here. Are you guys honestly SO starved for rumors that you're willing to take ANYTHING seriously??
I mean MY GOD, why am I the only one not treating this like a real spoiler? It's from a guy with no access to production, is clearly facetious, is tagged with the negatively connoted "batfleck", and references one of the sillier moments in Man of Steel (Drones? Come on)

Get your damn heads together, people. Good lord.
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5:16PM on 11/16/2013

I thought DIANE LANE was also in this?

Isn't DIANE LANE in this anymore? I thought she was reprising her role as Martha Kent ?
Isn't DIANE LANE in this anymore? I thought she was reprising her role as Martha Kent ?
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2:01PM on 11/16/2013

Disaster

This movie has disaster written all over it. I feel DC is just throwing batman in there to see if they can make more than the avengers. Really wish they just stuck to superman and brought in better villains like brainiac, doomsday, or metallo.
This movie has disaster written all over it. I feel DC is just throwing batman in there to see if they can make more than the avengers. Really wish they just stuck to superman and brought in better villains like brainiac, doomsday, or metallo.
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11:05AM on 11/16/2013

NIGHTMARE SCENARIO......

I KEEP thinking that they might possibly have Batman go into retirement or something like that....idk dare I say DIE.....all pertaining to him being weathered and worn...oh and OLD....I keep thinking that they will have BATMAN replaced or something...by [link] Grayson? that's why i keep thinking that they didn't care too much Ben Affleck was going to play him, they figured, who cares he's not going to make into any other movies.....
if that is the case, highly unlikely THANK GOD!, then they
I KEEP thinking that they might possibly have Batman go into retirement or something like that....idk dare I say DIE.....all pertaining to him being weathered and worn...oh and OLD....I keep thinking that they will have BATMAN replaced or something...by [link] Grayson? that's why i keep thinking that they didn't care too much Ben Affleck was going to play him, they figured, who cares he's not going to make into any other movies.....
if that is the case, highly unlikely THANK GOD!, then they would have someone other than Bruce Wayne as Batman for the Justice League and so on.....um....wouldn't that like SUCK??? anyway, that was just a thought that enters my head every, idk HOUR!!!!
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10:05AM on 11/16/2013

Jesus Horatio Key-RYSTE...

He's too young to be a semi retired Batman. The drones make me think of Kingdom Come, where he was so old and broken he HAD to use drones. He should be older and grizzled, but still out there every night kicking ass! Dammit Warners...I was on board with Affleck, but you guys take one step forward, ten steps back!
He's too young to be a semi retired Batman. The drones make me think of Kingdom Come, where he was so old and broken he HAD to use drones. He should be older and grizzled, but still out there every night kicking ass! Dammit Warners...I was on board with Affleck, but you guys take one step forward, ten steps back!
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8:37AM on 11/16/2013
I think you guys are worried over nothing. You're over reacting. Batman using drones isn't as preposterous, outlandish, and farfetched as you think. See Kingdom Come.

As for Ben playing Batman... I have no gripe. As for Ben playing an "aging" Batman... ehhhhh Well if you're gonna go that route, I'd soo rather prefer someone like Jon Hamm. He can definitely pull off an older Bruce.
I think you guys are worried over nothing. You're over reacting. Batman using drones isn't as preposterous, outlandish, and farfetched as you think. See Kingdom Come.

As for Ben playing Batman... I have no gripe. As for Ben playing an "aging" Batman... ehhhhh Well if you're gonna go that route, I'd soo rather prefer someone like Jon Hamm. He can definitely pull off an older Bruce.
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6:00AM on 11/16/2013
It sounds stupid...
It sounds stupid...
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4:39AM on 11/16/2013

Perfect casting

Clint Eastwood should have played an' aging Batman right after 'Unforgiven.' He could still play an aged Judge Dredd.
Clint Eastwood should have played an' aging Batman right after 'Unforgiven.' He could still play an aged Judge Dredd.
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3:46AM on 11/16/2013

If doing that version of batman

Sounds like they should have casted someone older. Like Jeffrey dean Morgan.
Sounds like they should have casted someone older. Like Jeffrey dean Morgan.
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2:00AM on 11/16/2013

Old, but not THAT old!

I was already a bit de-hyped by the fact that Batman is already "aged and grizzled" while Superman's run has barely even started. And as days go by descriptions of him are heading more and more into "grumpy old introvert", which is not what Batman is. I bet they're going to keep pushing his age till he turns into Old Man Wayne from Batman Beyond. Geez.

Then again, Ben Affleck's playing him so it's not like a young Batman in his prime would be any less dorky.
I was already a bit de-hyped by the fact that Batman is already "aged and grizzled" while Superman's run has barely even started. And as days go by descriptions of him are heading more and more into "grumpy old introvert", which is not what Batman is. I bet they're going to keep pushing his age till he turns into Old Man Wayne from Batman Beyond. Geez.

Then again, Ben Affleck's playing him so it's not like a young Batman in his prime would be any less dorky.
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9:41PM on 11/15/2013
So...he'll kill bad guys and civilians now? Like a few have said, I'm glad this will start out different, but it's gonna be bad
So...he'll kill bad guys and civilians now? Like a few have said, I'm glad this will start out different, but it's gonna be bad
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9:40PM on 11/15/2013

Might as well call this film 'Exposition: The Movie'.

Batman's retired and not speaking to Robin anymore who has since became Nightwing. Batman only uses drones now? We've had no previous movie to establish any of this Batman's history (which sucks because Batman's history is far more interesting than retired Batman). This is just a clusterfuck in the making (even if you ignore the horrible miscasting of Batman, or Goyer's inability to write anything outside of plot devices, or Snyder's miniscule attention span ). Sure the trailer is going to be
Batman's retired and not speaking to Robin anymore who has since became Nightwing. Batman only uses drones now? We've had no previous movie to establish any of this Batman's history (which sucks because Batman's history is far more interesting than retired Batman). This is just a clusterfuck in the making (even if you ignore the horrible miscasting of Batman, or Goyer's inability to write anything outside of plot devices, or Snyder's miniscule attention span ). Sure the trailer is going to be great, no doubt, Snyder makes his movies specifically for the trailer. But there is no way a regular audience is going to accept this much lapse in character history & development. Superman just started his career and Batman is already retired? This is a fucking lame attempt at forcing elements of The Dark Knight Returns into a movie.

And as pointed out below, Batman is supposed to be the dangerous unhinged character, and Superman is the boyscout who disproves of Batman's violent methods. Now, Superman is the dark unhinged character who murders and is extremely violent.
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9:19PM on 11/15/2013
I guess Batman got fed up trying to control those remote control Batarangs from Arkham Asylum and City and turned to drones instead. Man those things were a bitch to manoeuvre.
I guess Batman got fed up trying to control those remote control Batarangs from Arkham Asylum and City and turned to drones instead. Man those things were a bitch to manoeuvre.
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9:17PM on 11/15/2013
And coincidentally we have a Michael Keaton making drones and Robocops and shit...

On the topic of Batman using drones, read Kingdom Come. In fact, with the description saying Batman as semi-retired, not talking to Robin, and using drones, that's basically how Batman is in Kingdom Come. I won't be surprised if his costume will be very Alex Ross inspired.
And coincidentally we have a Michael Keaton making drones and Robocops and shit...

On the topic of Batman using drones, read Kingdom Come. In fact, with the description saying Batman as semi-retired, not talking to Robin, and using drones, that's basically how Batman is in Kingdom Come. I won't be surprised if his costume will be very Alex Ross inspired.
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7:32AM on 11/16/2013
Just googled the Kingdom Come suit... If they try and use that medieval style Bat suit, I will laugh my ass off. Please, no. I'm sure the story for Kingdom Come is cool, but the suit design is shit.
Just googled the Kingdom Come suit... If they try and use that medieval style Bat suit, I will laugh my ass off. Please, no. I'm sure the story for Kingdom Come is cool, but the suit design is shit.
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7:34PM on 11/15/2013
Not that it would be a balanced fight anyway, but when I pictured a Batman vs. Superman movie, I figured both these guys would be in their prime. The fact that one is older and semi-retired has me losing interest. I get that they don't want to repeat the stuff from Nolan's films too soon, but no one is forcing them to add Batman to this movie. Several fans would be happy with just a pure Man of Steel sequel, including me.
Not that it would be a balanced fight anyway, but when I pictured a Batman vs. Superman movie, I figured both these guys would be in their prime. The fact that one is older and semi-retired has me losing interest. I get that they don't want to repeat the stuff from Nolan's films too soon, but no one is forcing them to add Batman to this movie. Several fans would be happy with just a pure Man of Steel sequel, including me.
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7:04PM on 11/15/2013
Am i the only one who feels that this is some kind of "fishing"? I 'm not fond of conspiracy theories, but all this stuff going on social media giving away a bit of information here and there from "reliable" sources (he's damn WB producer...) makes me think like if there's some kind of an "inside deal" that people involved with the movie let deliberately slip various info to the public to see people's reaction. Perhaps it helps them to make a few adjustments in their plans...
So, for me,
Am i the only one who feels that this is some kind of "fishing"? I 'm not fond of conspiracy theories, but all this stuff going on social media giving away a bit of information here and there from "reliable" sources (he's damn WB producer...) makes me think like if there's some kind of an "inside deal" that people involved with the movie let deliberately slip various info to the public to see people's reaction. Perhaps it helps them to make a few adjustments in their plans...
So, for me, seeing is believing...
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6:59PM on 11/15/2013
The farther they can get away from Nolans films the fresher this will feel. I'm liking what I'm hearing so far. If one is familiar with the comics, Bats is no stranger to drones (Kingdom Come, the OMACs)
The farther they can get away from Nolans films the fresher this will feel. I'm liking what I'm hearing so far. If one is familiar with the comics, Bats is no stranger to drones (Kingdom Come, the OMACs)
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6:57PM on 11/15/2013

How does this make sense to the general audience?

Sure Batman semi-retiring and not talking to Robin/Nightwing anymore makes sense to the fans and fanboys. But what about everyone else? The consequence to skipping over Batman's early career is that they're going to have to take up valuable screentime explaining all this backstory.

And don't forget that this is a Superman sequel, so his story and the ramifications of killing Zod and leveling half of Metropolis has to be dealt with too. Oh, and Bruce Wayne's love interest is apparently going
Sure Batman semi-retiring and not talking to Robin/Nightwing anymore makes sense to the fans and fanboys. But what about everyone else? The consequence to skipping over Batman's early career is that they're going to have to take up valuable screentime explaining all this backstory.

And don't forget that this is a Superman sequel, so his story and the ramifications of killing Zod and leveling half of Metropolis has to be dealt with too. Oh, and Bruce Wayne's love interest is apparently going to have a big role as well. Ditto for Lois Lane. And of course, Wonder Woman and the Flash are being shoehorned into this as well. And I haven't even mentioned the villain, likely Lex Luthor, yet! How exactly are they going to fit all this in one movie? Geez, this movie already looks like it's going to be a huge mess. Tighten the story, guys!
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11:16PM on 11/15/2013
That's why studios invented things called Prequels.
That's why studios invented things called Prequels.
4:49PM on 11/16/2013
Not sure if you're being sarcastic...or somehow implying that Batman vs Superman is going to be a prequel....or that we should wait for WB to actually make an entire prequel for the sequel of Man of Steel, simply to explain why he uses drones and doesn't talk to Robin anymore? I really hope you're just being sarcastic though.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic...or somehow implying that Batman vs Superman is going to be a prequel....or that we should wait for WB to actually make an entire prequel for the sequel of Man of Steel, simply to explain why he uses drones and doesn't talk to Robin anymore? I really hope you're just being sarcastic though.
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6:23PM on 11/15/2013
Wasn't Batman retired in the last Batman movie? Haven't we JUST watched that?

Also, as an aside, I already hate the idea of Batman being the guy giving Superman a morality lesson due to Superman's super-murder. I mean aren't they very very specifically the other way around when it comes to ethics and morality? With Batman being the overly violent darker vigilante and Supes being the boy scout trying to reign him in? Isn't that like...their entire relationship in a nutshell? Honestly it feels
Wasn't Batman retired in the last Batman movie? Haven't we JUST watched that?

Also, as an aside, I already hate the idea of Batman being the guy giving Superman a morality lesson due to Superman's super-murder. I mean aren't they very very specifically the other way around when it comes to ethics and morality? With Batman being the overly violent darker vigilante and Supes being the boy scout trying to reign him in? Isn't that like...their entire relationship in a nutshell? Honestly it feels like they've already gotten this wrong.
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6:41PM on 11/15/2013
Neither of them really kill in the comics...while Batman is certainly a darker character, they both (usually) uphold a certain belief in the American justice system rather than enacting due justice themselves. Because Batman is going to be depicted as an aged and storied crimefighter, it would make sense that he is the one who pushes Superman in the direction of not killing, and subduing his enemies in a more reasonable manner.
Neither of them really kill in the comics...while Batman is certainly a darker character, they both (usually) uphold a certain belief in the American justice system rather than enacting due justice themselves. Because Batman is going to be depicted as an aged and storied crimefighter, it would make sense that he is the one who pushes Superman in the direction of not killing, and subduing his enemies in a more reasonable manner.
6:49PM on 11/15/2013
Both have killed in the comics depending on the circumstance. Having Batman pushing Superman not to kill would be a rather lame plot device, yes yes its role reversal but lame none the less. Batman always worked in extremes, black and white, Superman worked in the gray for a more inclusive result. Hell, Superman had to get called in so Bats wouldn't kill Joker after he wasted Jason to avoid an international incident (fuck New 52).
Both have killed in the comics depending on the circumstance. Having Batman pushing Superman not to kill would be a rather lame plot device, yes yes its role reversal but lame none the less. Batman always worked in extremes, black and white, Superman worked in the gray for a more inclusive result. Hell, Superman had to get called in so Bats wouldn't kill Joker after he wasted Jason to avoid an international incident (fuck New 52).
6:55PM on 11/15/2013
Sure, they've both killed, but it's not as if Batman is some savage murdering all the criminals in Gotham. 99% of the time (in modern times, not looking into their earlier comic stories) , they both leave criminals alive. And as far as superman stopping batman from killing joker...have you seen [link]
Sure, they've both killed, but it's not as if Batman is some savage murdering all the criminals in Gotham. 99% of the time (in modern times, not looking into their earlier comic stories) , they both leave criminals alive. And as far as superman stopping batman from killing joker...have you seen [link]
6:56PM on 11/15/2013
The link isn't working but it's a comic panel of Superman murdering the joker.
The link isn't working but it's a comic panel of Superman murdering the joker.
5:13AM on 11/16/2013
I'm not saying that either of them are killers, I'm saying that Batman is supposed to be the darker, more violent character of the two that Superman feels he has to keep tabs on and reign in....not the other way around.
I'm not saying that either of them are killers, I'm saying that Batman is supposed to be the darker, more violent character of the two that Superman feels he has to keep tabs on and reign in....not the other way around.
5:29PM on 11/15/2013
I like the idea that the appearance of Superman would force Batman out of retirement. Not sold on the drones at all though.
I like the idea that the appearance of Superman would force Batman out of retirement. Not sold on the drones at all though.
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5:20PM on 11/15/2013

Of course he can use drones...

... because he's Batman ! As long as he doesn't refer to himself as "the goddamn Batman", I'm all for it.
... because he's Batman ! As long as he doesn't refer to himself as "the goddamn Batman", I'm all for it.
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5:12PM on 11/15/2013
Aside from the drones (lame) this is almost how I imagined it. Pictured Bats completely retired w something big happening in Gotham that injures Nightwing & brings Supes into town, drawing Bats out of retirement.
Aside from the drones (lame) this is almost how I imagined it. Pictured Bats completely retired w something big happening in Gotham that injures Nightwing & brings Supes into town, drawing Bats out of retirement.
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5:10PM on 11/15/2013

Like TheRealKalEL said

So in this flick Batman has already gone full circle? As in they are trying to snag prominent issues from both Kingdom Come and Dark Knight Returns and already he's in the withdrawn state of totalitarian control? I know they seem to be distancing themselves from Nolan's movies, but it just seems like they are fast tracking past what made the Superman/Batman dynamic work in the first place, the man and the god. If Bruce is already Old Man Bruce from Kingdom Come than he's already past the point
So in this flick Batman has already gone full circle? As in they are trying to snag prominent issues from both Kingdom Come and Dark Knight Returns and already he's in the withdrawn state of totalitarian control? I know they seem to be distancing themselves from Nolan's movies, but it just seems like they are fast tracking past what made the Superman/Batman dynamic work in the first place, the man and the god. If Bruce is already Old Man Bruce from Kingdom Come than he's already past the point where they shared common ground and he's now more like Luther or even Zod controlling shit from afar without getting his hands dirty. What respect what Supes have for a man like that that would put them on common ground?
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5:08PM on 11/15/2013
Aside from the drones (lame) this is almost how I imagined it. Pictured Bats completely retired w something big happening in Gotham that injures Nightwing & brings Supes into town, drawing Bats out of retirement.
Aside from the drones (lame) this is almost how I imagined it. Pictured Bats completely retired w something big happening in Gotham that injures Nightwing & brings Supes into town, drawing Bats out of retirement.
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5:05PM on 11/15/2013
Considering what Superman does to the drone at the end of MoS, Batman's drones won't be around long. Maybe that's the catalyst that gets them feuding.
Considering what Superman does to the drone at the end of MoS, Batman's drones won't be around long. Maybe that's the catalyst that gets them feuding.
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4:56PM on 11/15/2013

Eh

I dunno how I feel about him controling drones from the batcave, I feel like Batman only did that when he really wasn't physically able to fight crime anymore, like Kingdom Come, I really hope the drones part isn't true
I dunno how I feel about him controling drones from the batcave, I feel like Batman only did that when he really wasn't physically able to fight crime anymore, like Kingdom Come, I really hope the drones part isn't true
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4:54PM on 11/15/2013

Drones? Oh, god.

No doubt a thinly veiled socio-political reference. Sounds exactly like Snyder. The subtlety of a jackhammer. Nolan addressed post-9/11 paranoia and fear with his Dark Knight. Snyder is gonna have his Batman using fucking drones because... Drones are bad, mmkay?
No doubt a thinly veiled socio-political reference. Sounds exactly like Snyder. The subtlety of a jackhammer. Nolan addressed post-9/11 paranoia and fear with his Dark Knight. Snyder is gonna have his Batman using fucking drones because... Drones are bad, mmkay?
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