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The UnPopular Opinion: Marvel's The Avengers

Aug. 29, 2012by: Alex Maidy

THE UNPOPULAR OPINION is an ongoing column featuring different takes on films that either the writer HATED, but that the majority of film fans LOVED, or that the writer LOVED, but that most others LOATHED. We're hoping this column will promote constructive and geek fueled discussion. Enjoy!

**** SOME SPOILERS ENSUE****

Watching the trailers for THE AVENGERS never really riled me up. My five-year-old son flipped out when he saw that there was a movie with the "real" Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, and Hulk all together. I watched his eyes glaze over at the tons of toys and t-shirts lining the shelves at Target. He has both an Iron Man and Captain America costume in his closet that he dons with regularity. So every time he had a really good day, I would pop on the trailer for THE AVENGERS and let his little heart leap at the spectacle on the screen before him.

I wish I felt that way about the movie. But, I never found myself all that excited to see it. Maybe it was because I never joined the Cult of Whedon. I tried watching BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER but never got into it. I never really thought FIREFLY was that great, either. While I completely feel that he did a competent job directing THE AVENGERS, I am still baffled at how anyone can really think it was the greatest superhero movie ever. For my money, both X2: X-MEN UNITED and THE INCREDIBLES are better superhero team movies than THE AVENGERS.

This poorly Photoshopped poster should have been a clue to the cobbled together nature of the movie itself. Half of the actors feel like they are in a different movie.

To start I must state that THE AVENGERS was the first of the films featuring these Marvel heroes that I saw in a theater (unless you count Ang Lee's THE HULK). I have seen all of the Phase One films on DVD or Blu-ray and liked CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER the best, followed closely by the first IRON MAN. I went into THE AVENGERS completely expecting to like it. I wanted to keep my expectations low despite it having already grossed well over $300 million by the time I saw it on the big screen. I sat in the theater and by the time the end credits rolled, I felt like I had eaten a Big Mac. I was full but knew I would be hungry a few hours later.

Lets start with the biggest problem in THE AVENGERS: the plot. The movie hinges on Loki as the central villain despite the fact that Thor is probably the third or fourth main character in the story. Iron Man is clearly the front runner as team leader even though Whedon tries really hard to make you think that Captain America is the leader. As much as I think Chris Evans is a good Steve Rogers, he just doesn't have the presence the Captain in the comics does. Robert Downey, Jr. inhabits his character so fully that none of the other actors comes even close. This movie is essentially IRON MAN 2.5, Even when Tony Stark has his face-off with Loki in the penthouse of Stark Tower it feels like they are forced to exist in the same movie. I like Tom Hiddleston's portrayal of Loki and think he is an excellent villain, but he should be restricted to the THOR movies.

Then you have the Chitauri who are, lets face it, the most useless fighting force ever. Whedon must have felt that using the green skinned Skrulls would look too cartoony for THE AVENGERS so he instead used an alien race that only comic book fans would recognize and he made sure to outfit them from Michael Bay's TRANSFORMERS garage sale. The entire final battle of THE AVENGERS felt like a copy of the Chicago sequence in DARK OF THE MOON. I have said it before and I will say it again, superhero movies work better when the villain is in some way either human or was human. Who are the best comic villains? The Joker, Norman Osborn, Doctor Octopus, Magneto, Lex Luthor, Red Skull, The Mandarin. When your villain is a faceless race of aliens, they just don't seem that big of a deal. Or, in the case of Loki, you know there is no way that humans, even superpowered ones, will defeat a god.

The good news was they got the Hulk right this time. The bad news is he was only right for fifteen minutes.

Which brings me to the next biggest problem with the movie. The single best part of THE AVENGERS was Mark Ruffalo's portrayal of Bruce Banner/The Hulk. The special effects were better than in either of the prior HULK films and Ruffalo brought a better human side to the character. But, for more than half of the movie, Hulk was a villain. Both of the movies with Hulk as the star failed because he spends the majority of the time smashing shit to oblivion with no semblance of control over his actions. He seems more like a wild animal than the Hulk in the comics. Once Bruce Banner finally finds his inner balance, the true Hulk we have been waiting for comes out to play. This Hulk is the one who can pulverize Loki and then say "puny god" and laughingly punch Thor without looking. This is the Hulk we have all been waiting for and he gets about fifteen minutes of total screen time.

Whedon may have succeeded in making a successful nexus for the Marvel movies, but he didn't make a great movie. The pacing felt way off for me. I could have dealt without the entire middle section of the film from the forest fight between Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America until the helicarrier sequence. That entire segment of the film was boring and overlong. It was right around the death of Agent Coulson that my five year old turned to me and said he never wanted to own this movie on DVD. Once the battle for New York City began, he turned to me again and said he wanted to own the DVD, but just not the first half. I have never been in further agreement with a kindergartener.

The best scene in the movie features no dialogue and comes during the credits. That speaks volumes for this movie.

At least when you have Sam Raimi, Christopher Nolan, Zack Snyder, Bryan Singer, Marc Webb, hell even Brett Ratner, you know there is going to be some sort of visual distinction to the movie. With THE AVENGERS, you really wouldn't know it wasn't directed by Joss Whedon if his name wasn't plastered everywhere. Sure, his style comes out in the screenplay but on screen there is just nothing unique to grab onto. Sam Raimi made the SPIDER-MAN trilogy feel like a comic book while Christopher Nolan's DARK KNIGHT films felt like a gritty reality. THE AVENGERS feels like a mash-up of all the directors who made the individual hero films that made up this super team. If there had been something distinct in this movie visually, I may have felt differently in the end. But, what we got was a very workmanlike film that lets you see everything on the screen without trying anything special with it.

Same goes for the score. Alan Silvestri's music feels like a recycled version of his CAPTAIN AMERICA soundtrack, updated from the 1940s to the 21st century. It was neither obtrusive nor memorable. None of us will forget the iconic music from THE DARK KNIGHT or SUPERMAN. Even SPIDER-MAN had a nice musical feel to flesh out the story on the screen. I was just left wanting more from the music. I was left wanting more from pretty much everything in this movie.

The entirety of THE AVENGERS felt watered down. Tony Stark is sarcastic and has his typical Downey Jr charm, but he feels like a lighter, safer version compared to the Jon Favreau films. Jeremy Renner's Hawkeye and Scarlett Johanssen's Black Widow both feel like placeholders for bigger superheroes in THE AVENGERS 2. Evan's Captain America, Chris Hemsworth's Thor and Samuel L. Jackson's Nick Fury were the only characters who came into the story as advertised. Bur, they neither blew me away nor disappointed me. But that could be said for the entire movie. I came out of the two and a half hours in the theater neither disappointed nor blown away. That is what makes this movie a failure in my eyes. It should have blown me away but it simply plodded along and set up Phase Two for Marvel. I hope that when Whedon sits down to pen the sequel that he puts some tension in the plot. I want to feel that at any moment, these heroes could fail and the world as we knew it would crumble. The comic counterparts for THE AVENGERS feel more realistic than these live action versions because the comics take risks. THE AVENGERS was flaccid and to me, the third best superhero movie of the year.

Extra Tidbit: That's right, folks. Third best. Despite the major flaws they all had, I still have more positive things to say about THE DARK KNIGHT RISES and THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN.
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6:22PM on 09/10/2012
While I didn't think that The Avengers was the best film of the summer, I have to say that I am surprised that I disagree with some of your criticisms. I'll give you the music being unmemorable, but I don't think this was the type of film where you would expect to see a very distinct stylistic signature by a particular director. I think this film was more about taking the already established style(s) from the previous films and meshing them together. It would have been different if Whedon had
While I didn't think that The Avengers was the best film of the summer, I have to say that I am surprised that I disagree with some of your criticisms. I'll give you the music being unmemorable, but I don't think this was the type of film where you would expect to see a very distinct stylistic signature by a particular director. I think this film was more about taking the already established style(s) from the previous films and meshing them together. It would have been different if Whedon had the choice of presenting Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, or the settings in accordance to his vision, but he had to be selfless and just concentrate on unifying what had already been done. Also, there was some good tension present in this film. In particular, the scene where the team starts bickering just before the attack on the airship is a good example of this.
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11:11PM on 08/30/2012
Is it me or does this article seem a bit forced? Never use your kid as an excuse for why you don't like a movie, it's a cop out. This was the best movie of the summer period, end of story. If it were not for this & TDKR & perhaps The Expendables 2. I would say this was a very lackluster summer.

I don't feel the last couple UnPopular articles have been up to par on the what they are suppossed to establish in the first place. They are just the writers reasons HE himself did not like it.
Is it me or does this article seem a bit forced? Never use your kid as an excuse for why you don't like a movie, it's a cop out. This was the best movie of the summer period, end of story. If it were not for this & TDKR & perhaps The Expendables 2. I would say this was a very lackluster summer.

I don't feel the last couple UnPopular articles have been up to par on the what they are suppossed to establish in the first place. They are just the writers reasons HE himself did not like it.
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5:36PM on 08/30/2012
I feel sad for you Alex.. truly, not being able to enjoy a fun-tastic summer ride of a movie is simply sad.

I feel sad for you Alex.. truly, not being able to enjoy a fun-tastic summer ride of a movie is simply sad.

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4:20PM on 08/30/2012

WHO STILL MISSES THE SIDEBAR??

Everybody bitching makes me want to bitch. JOBLO THE SIDEBAR WAS ONE OF THE BEST THINGS ABOUT YOUR SITE IT TAKES TWICE AS LONG TO PERUSE YOUR SITE AND IS WAY MORE INCONVENIENT. And oh yeah I didnt really like the Avengers, honestly not really my type of film but I have a lot of friends, whom I respect their opinions, that loved it. I love this column even though it always pisses me off. Thats the point.
Everybody bitching makes me want to bitch. JOBLO THE SIDEBAR WAS ONE OF THE BEST THINGS ABOUT YOUR SITE IT TAKES TWICE AS LONG TO PERUSE YOUR SITE AND IS WAY MORE INCONVENIENT. And oh yeah I didnt really like the Avengers, honestly not really my type of film but I have a lot of friends, whom I respect their opinions, that loved it. I love this column even though it always pisses me off. Thats the point.
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2:29PM on 08/30/2012

Jesus Christ, people are mean

For fuck sake, it's a MOVIE, people. Last I checked, liking or disliking a movie is nothing more than a matter of opinion and you know what (you might wanna be sitting down for this one)? OPINIONS ARE NEVER RIGHT NOR WRONG. That's why they're called opinions, not facts. All of you little babies need to get over yourselves and realize that not everybody is gonna like the same stuff you do, regardless of the pedestal you put it on.

Look, I loved The Avengers. It's my fourth favorite film of
For fuck sake, it's a MOVIE, people. Last I checked, liking or disliking a movie is nothing more than a matter of opinion and you know what (you might wanna be sitting down for this one)? OPINIONS ARE NEVER RIGHT NOR WRONG. That's why they're called opinions, not facts. All of you little babies need to get over yourselves and realize that not everybody is gonna like the same stuff you do, regardless of the pedestal you put it on.

Look, I loved The Avengers. It's my fourth favorite film of the year, behind ParaNorman, The Dark Knight Rises, and The Cabin in the Woods (have I lost all of my credibility yet?). I thought it was extremely well written with well developed characters, snappy dialogue, extraordinary action scenes (the final act is incredible), and was just nothing more than a fun time at the movies. Yeah, I didn't care for the handling of Hawkeye's character and the middle section dragged quite a bit, but the flick was a blast.

The thing is, though, as much as I liked the movie, I'm not fueled with hate and already burning an effigy of Mr. Maidy here. You know why? Because it's his OPINION. The article is very well written, thoughtful, brings up plenty of good points, and he offers his well thought out and honest opinion about why he didn't care for it. You guys are just making him out to be like he's saying, "This sucked, this sucked, and this sucked, just because they all SUCK." Nope. He wrote a completely honest review and you guys attack him for it. It's just a movie, people. Get over it.

Also, Petey must be Joss Whedon. He HAS to be.
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2:03PM on 08/30/2012

AGREED!

I have completely forgotten about this film since the day I watched it! Like The Amazing Spiderman... it was very boring! I felt like I was becoming a mindless sheep that Hollywood wants me to become so I keep giving them my money for their crap; I was just waiting for the trough to be thrown in front of me to eat out of while watching this. This will be in the Wal-Mart $5 bargain bin in 2 years... right where it belongs.
I have completely forgotten about this film since the day I watched it! Like The Amazing Spiderman... it was very boring! I felt like I was becoming a mindless sheep that Hollywood wants me to become so I keep giving them my money for their crap; I was just waiting for the trough to be thrown in front of me to eat out of while watching this. This will be in the Wal-Mart $5 bargain bin in 2 years... right where it belongs.
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1:43PM on 08/30/2012
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1:38PM on 08/30/2012

Not sure if anyone addressed this, but..

"..have seen all of the Phase One films on DVD or Blu-ray and liked CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER the best, followed closely by the first IRON MAN". I don't know why, but the fact that you're not really a Marvel fan (haven't seen any of the movies in theaters) and that Captain America is your favorite out of all the standalone films, I couldn't read and take this article seriously at all. To each their own I guess.
"..have seen all of the Phase One films on DVD or Blu-ray and liked CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER the best, followed closely by the first IRON MAN". I don't know why, but the fact that you're not really a Marvel fan (haven't seen any of the movies in theaters) and that Captain America is your favorite out of all the standalone films, I couldn't read and take this article seriously at all. To each their own I guess.
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12:28PM on 08/30/2012

The Unpopular Opinion

I respect his opinion although of course, as I said below, I don't agree with it.

Just remember people, the column is called The Unpopular Opinion for a reason.
I respect his opinion although of course, as I said below, I don't agree with it.

Just remember people, the column is called The Unpopular Opinion for a reason.
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9:30AM on 08/30/2012

I love the column...

The Unpopular Opinion is one of my favorites on Joblo. It's not all that often that my opinion differs from the critical consensus, but when it does, I'm shocked. On this particular film, however, I'm right there with the masses. It wasn't perfect, but it was amazing for what it was. I thought it was the perfect blend of action and comedy. It's no easy task taking all of these characters, all of these storylines, all of these big actors, tying them all together, and ending up with a film
The Unpopular Opinion is one of my favorites on Joblo. It's not all that often that my opinion differs from the critical consensus, but when it does, I'm shocked. On this particular film, however, I'm right there with the masses. It wasn't perfect, but it was amazing for what it was. I thought it was the perfect blend of action and comedy. It's no easy task taking all of these characters, all of these storylines, all of these big actors, tying them all together, and ending up with a film like this. I always figured that when we finally saw an Avengers movie, it'd be a disaster, and what we got was easily one of the best superhero films ever made.
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9:04AM on 08/30/2012
I also want to say that I love the Unpopular Opinion and C'Mon Hollywood series, and I look forward to seeing more in the future. (Perhaps one day I will write some of my own Unpopular Opinions, heck knows I have plenty of movies to choose from...)
I also want to say that I love the Unpopular Opinion and C'Mon Hollywood series, and I look forward to seeing more in the future. (Perhaps one day I will write some of my own Unpopular Opinions, heck knows I have plenty of movies to choose from...)
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3:16AM on 08/30/2012
I hate to do this because I posted a version of it on the Top Movies of The Summer article already but I'm genuinely curious what the response will be here. It's about the flaws and problems with The Dark Knight Rises that I found. It's a bit long but hopefully interesting. Anyway, I should state that I did love The Avengers and feel it's a bit better than TDKR, while both are significantly better than Amazing Spiderman.

Firstly, overall, I enjoyed the The Dark Knight Rises. Mostly for the
I hate to do this because I posted a version of it on the Top Movies of The Summer article already but I'm genuinely curious what the response will be here. It's about the flaws and problems with The Dark Knight Rises that I found. It's a bit long but hopefully interesting. Anyway, I should state that I did love The Avengers and feel it's a bit better than TDKR, while both are significantly better than Amazing Spiderman.

Firstly, overall, I enjoyed the The Dark Knight Rises. Mostly for the cinematography, score, some key performances, and some great connections to Batman Begins. The movie is (in my opinion) ridiculously flawed and not even close to the other films in the series. Regardless, I'm always open to opposing views and love reading them in a hope to see a well constructed argument that will change my opinion.
@Guy Most of my nodding in approval was at your comments. Not because I agree with all your points or that we're both united in being "haters" or some other crap people without any arguments like to throw out. I nodded because you backed up every single one of your opinions with scenes from the film and how specifically they counter the morals/mythos of Batman both as a character of the comics and as a character in the Nolan films. In short, opinion backed by EVIDENCE.
Do I agree with everything. No. For one, the point about how Bruce gets back to Gotham. If we had been told that he returned to Gotham in a matter of hours or even days, I'd agree; but, if I recall, Nolan leaves a gap of a few weeks and while yes, it would be difficult, it's not impossible.
It reminds me of when The Dark Knight released and people kept going on about "plot holes". To this day, the only real "plot hole" I've actually heard mentioned is what happens to the Joker after he tosses Rachel of the building only to have Batman jump after her. It's a slight flaw, and we could have used a scene showing why Joker just left instead of causing more damage with the Gotham elite but it's not necessary. He came for Dent, couldn't find him, caused a little bit of chaos, and left. In the same way, it would be nice to see a scene showing Bruce getting back to Gotham, but since there was a reasonable amount of time, I was willing to look past it.
Also, I applaud you for staying civil and responding to the critiques.
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Although I applaud you staying civil and not turning this into a name calling match, I must admit most of my head shaking was at your comments. Mostly because your "arguments" are anything but. Almost every single one of your answers is "That doesn't matter", "That's not important", "Who cares about that?". These are not arguments. These are ways of avoiding the question. Guy's answers aren't "the way (he'd) have liked it to be" but are the way Nolan had written these characters and stories and they way they should have logically continued. For example, Bruce, who has been in love with Rachel since he was a child, whose respect for her leads to the climax of TDK (It's your actions that define you) and whose sadness over her death led to him becoming recluse and never venturing out to find another love would NOT sleep with the first girl he sees after knowing her for about 10 minutes. This isn't what Guy or I wanted, it's the build up of the character that Nolan had written. Remember, in Nolan's films, Rachel is as much a reason for him becoming Batman as the death of his parents. It's her anger at him almost killing Chill that leads him on the road to becoming Batman. It's illogical for him to then not just forget about her, but also "move on" with not just one, but two women in one freaking movie.
However, the argument about Bruce not coming up with a better plan than just punching Bane again is one that I side with you on. Having Batman come up with a brilliant plan is something that the Batman of the comics or Animated Series would have done but the Batman of the Nolan films hasn't ever really come up with great plans for defeating the villain. He comes up with good ways of tracking the baddies but he basically just stumbles his way into actually defeating them. Would it be cool to see him come up with a plan? Yeah. But I admit that's the Batman fanboy speaking and not based in any sort of history that Nolan built up.

That all aside, I did enjoy the back and forth between you guys. By the way, Guy, you didn't even address some of my biggest complaints with the film. Just to add fuel to the fire:
1. According to the film, the power source only becomes a bomb as it slowly becomes more and more unstable. How then, does Bane immediately know exactly how long till the Bomb explodes down to the precise second? Surely something going unstable is not calculable to that precision? Also, why the hell was there a timer on the energy source? Did Bane add it? If so, why? If he didn't, why was there a timer on an energy source?
2. During the Gordon being exiled scene, apparently the ice is so thin that Gordon and his men spread out and walk carefully with people still falling in. Wouldn't it be ridiculous if Batman, fully decked out in his 100+ pound suit, was standing right in front of them? Oh wait.
3. Also, Batman only has a few hours before the bomb blows and decides to use that time to take a bunch of gasoline (previously shown to be a rare commodity as Blake gets it for the school bus) and burn his emblem onto the bridge? Aren't there a bit more important things to do?
4. Speaking of which, how does Batman know how much time is left? In fact, seeing as how the bomb has been moving around on a closed truck since it was armed, how does anyone know how much time is left?
5. How ridiculous is the clean slate program? Gee, let's spend a whole scene with Dagget explaining to Catwoman just how RIDICULOUS the idea of a clean slate program is only to have Batman magically form one later in the film. I don't think there's any excuse for this one.
6. How terrible is Catwoman as a character? She acts like she's Robin Hood but at no point does she steal anything to help anyone other than herself. She then has the balls to tell Bruce Wayne (the millionaire philanthropist) that he should feel bad for not helping the poor. What the fuck have you done for the poor? The only things you steal in the films are for your selfish needs. Also, let's forget that you willingly took Batman to his death and yet I'm supposed to be happy that Bruce ends up with this selfish and hypocritical bitch. Oh wait, she saved Batman so it's okay. Let's ignore the fact that she saves him by KILLING, the one thing Batman disapproves of and in any sort of logical film, he would have hated her for.
7. Why does Bane trap the cops? So that what happens would happen ie. they escape and defeat him? Why wouldn't he kill them? They're trapped. Go in, shoot them. Collapse the streets on top. Anything. Also, food is a rare commodity but I guess Blake and and couple of his buddies apparently have so much to spare that they feed ALL the cops of Gotham almost singlehandedly, for 5 months. Yeah.
8. Why did Bane and Talia stick around? Batman is gone, cops are trapped, and chaos rules the streets. They could have slipped out at any point without anyone knowing. Also, was their plan always to die? Why? If you're keeping The League of Shadows alive, why would you kill all their key leaders/members in their very first post-Ra's mission? How does them dying help anything?
9. Speaking of which, Bane breaks Batman's back in the middle of his master plan. So what does he do? He takes Batman, puts him on a plane (How awkward if Bruce had woken up?), flys him to his old prison halfway around the world, takes him down said prison, and waits for old Brucey to wake up all so that he can tell Bruce that he can't die yet. Couldn't he have phoned the doctor and told him to tell Bruce? Better than flying halfway around the world in the middle of your dastardly plan.
10. How the hell does everyone in this movie know Bruce is Batman? Catwoman knows because Bane says it in front of her. Fine. How does Bane know? He was kicked out of TLOS long before Bruce joined up. Bruce destroys the headquarters when he is first there. Maybe Talia knew? But how? Ra's recovers from the explosion and heads toward Gotham. If he did meet Talia during this brief time, this is definitely a scene that needed to be filmed and included.
*Extra fanboy thing. Why is Blake named Robin? Is Bruce's real name Bruce Batman Wayne. Surely it should have been Dick Grayson, Tim Drake, Jason Todd or maybe even Terry McGinnis.

Well, I'd love to hear some responses and comments, so fire away.
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10:22AM on 08/30/2012
I'm upset I missed all of this over on the other article, it made for a nice read. And I do agree with a lot of your criticisms, I simply just didn't have the time or patience to go into a lot of them myself as I felt like I'd put over a convincing enough argument. So jumping into spoilers again here..

Don't get me wrong, there was enough in the film to enjoy, but I felt like the script needed someone to have a good go over, one more pass at it to tighten it up and have it make more sense
I'm upset I missed all of this over on the other article, it made for a nice read. And I do agree with a lot of your criticisms, I simply just didn't have the time or patience to go into a lot of them myself as I felt like I'd put over a convincing enough argument. So jumping into spoilers again here..

Don't get me wrong, there was enough in the film to enjoy, but I felt like the script needed someone to have a good go over, one more pass at it to tighten it up and have it make more sense from a literal stand point. The thing about Nolan is that a lot of his films are thematic, they deal with recurring themes and use locations and object as concepts and representations rather than literal places. So Bruce crawling out of the pit makes for a fantastic physical metaphor for his redemption and makes for a great circling to the concept of him falling in the well in Begins and the re-enforcement of the whole "why do we fall?" idea from the first movie. So on that scale the movie knew what it was doing, and I feel this is the reason a lot of people adored it, because it was aiming for the right emotional and thematic responses. But I feel it was concentrating so hard on that, that it just completely and utterly forgot about the logistics and literalism in the construction of it's own physical world. The cave is a great idea, but what about Bruce's smashed up old man knees that have no ligaments in them? Why has that magically just gone away? Why introduce it in the first place to just forget about it? Why did Bane stick Bruce in a prison next to the ONLY legitimate and practicing Doctor, the one person who knows how to fix a broken back?

It was the Blake character that got me the most because, even though JGL was fantastic in the movie (I'm not disputing that) that character has literally no reason to exist other than to inherit the cave, thus completing the theme from Begins of Batman being immortal and "more than just a man". As a theme it's fantastic, the legend grows with the passing of the mantle (as a fanboy I hate that Batman just accepts his parents deaths, and up and retires but that's a different argument altogether), as a concept I get it completely. However as a character, Blake is under-written and unnecessary. We know this because he spends the whole running time of the movie essentially BEING Commissioner Gordon. To the point where Gordon is actually just shot and stuck in a bed for the entire duration of the movie. Gordon should be the one good cop left in Gotham, the one that Bats can rely on, he should be the only guy smart enough to be running around doing the cop work, but Blake is doing his role and Gordon is LITERALLY sidelined for the whole movie. So not only is Blake just filling the role of an existing character, but his reasons for knowing who Bruce is, and his history with the main character are poorly thought out at best (he just knows because he saw him sad once and related to him....so he must be Batman?). This all says to me that the only reason that he exists as a character is so that theme of the passing of the torch could be completed towards the end of the movie, not because he has any actual motivation or characterisation.

The fact that he then says his name is "Robin" at the end really upsets me. This upsets me because the character has no formal training, no martial arts training, no training with Batman's equipment, no characterisation besides being Gordon number 2, and yet essentially inherits the cave at the end of the movie. Meanwhile there's a character in Catwoman who is an angry poor criminal, who finds redemption by believing in the Batman, has martial arts training, experience with Bruce's tech AND a characterisation of their own who by the end of the film...is fighting alongside Batman essentially as Robin but whilst wearing a Catsuit, and yet ISN'T awarded the passing of the mantle.

In my mind (and this IS where I get to the part where I'm essentially re-writing the movie in a way I think makes more sense, so feel free to ignore it), these two characters could have been combined into one perfect Robin character. An orphaned thief that steals from Bruce Wayne, with martial arts training, who betrays Batman to Bane, then believes in Bats, becomes Robin and using Bat-tech (Batpod) fights alongside Batman to inherit the Batcave and the passing of the mantle. They would be a far more fully formed character combined than the two half characters that Blake and Catwoman are, the themes of passing of the mantle would still be intact, all of the themes of redemption that the Catwoman character achieves would still be intact, it would also leave room for Gordon to actually play his role in this movie as Gotham's one good cop instead of some new guy playing it whilst Gary Oldman lies in a bed, and as a bonus would probably shave some of the running time off the length of the film by only introducing one new character. As an extra fanboy bonus the character could be called Jason Todd, because wouldn't you know it, that role describes that character perfectly.

I know I've gotten a bit into silly fan fiction there, but my original point is that someone needed to take a look at the script and tighten it up. They needed a collaborator not to ask the big questions, but the smaller, logistical ones.
11:31PM on 08/30/2012
I agree with pretty much every single one of your points. It seems we both had the same issues with this film.

As you can probably tell from my avatar, the sidelining of Gordon definitely got under my skin. I'd understand if there was no place for a cop character in the movie but there was. There is nothing that Blake does that Gordon couldn't have done. It's one of those things where I really feel Nolan completely forgot the relationships these characters had. Just as it's ridiculous for
I agree with pretty much every single one of your points. It seems we both had the same issues with this film.

As you can probably tell from my avatar, the sidelining of Gordon definitely got under my skin. I'd understand if there was no place for a cop character in the movie but there was. There is nothing that Blake does that Gordon couldn't have done. It's one of those things where I really feel Nolan completely forgot the relationships these characters had. Just as it's ridiculous for Bruce to "move on" with 2 separate women in one movie, it's also ridiculous to have written Gordon such a small part. He is Batman's other half. Gordon was the only person that fought WITH Batman. Sure Fox and Alfred offered a few bits of advice here and there, but who was on the front lines. If Gordon wasn't around, Bruce would have been completely alone in his battle. He's crucial. It's probably why, while everyone was tearing up at the Alfred scenes, I teared up at the "Even a man doing something as simple and reassuring as putting a coat around a little boy's shoulders to let him know that the world hadn't ended." Fucking perfect. To split his character up and not have him help Bruce all the way through was a mistake.

As for other useless characters, is there ANYONE that gave a shit about Mathew Modine's character? Seriously, that was about 10 minutes of the movie but when they have that shot of his dead body, literally no one in the audience had any reaction. I couldn't care less that he died. It was not emotional, or poignant. Also, at no point does Catwoman do anything that, like you said, couldn't have been done by someone else already in the script.

As for combining useless characters, how about combining Talia and Bane into a single character, named Bane. What the hell is Talia even doing here? The story could have completely removed the Talia twist and not missed a single beat. Bane was kicked out of TLOS, creates his own separate branch, decides to take down the city Ra's failed to to prove he is better than Ra's. Perfectly logical and simple.

I really like your idea of combining Blake and Catwoman. It would have worked much better that way. I mean, what the hell is Blake supposed to do after the credits. Great, you've found the batcave. Good luck figuring out how to use all that stuff. Also, don't break anything because it's not like you have any money to replace anything like Bruce could. Also, don't get into a fist fight because you're pretty useless at those (remember him "accidentally" killing 2 people in his only fist fight), and don't go into any places with people with guns because remember, even a crippled Gordon got the better of you by using the brilliant strategy of hiding in a corner. Basically, you are in WAY over you're head and practically speaking, you'll be dead in a month.

But like you said, the performances were good (except Hathaway), some plot lines were great, some great dialogue, the scene with the backbreaking and recovery in prison were actually probably my favorite bits of the movie due to the connections with BB.

But, between the two of us, I don't think we're even close to covering all the flaws of this movie. I mean, how did Bane know where Fox was keeping all those Tumblers and weapons, even though you specifically spent a scene earlier between Bruce and Fox where Fox flatly states that there is NO way anyone could know this place exists?

I actually fully blame Jonathan Nolan for all the problems. Chris Nolan had consistently and emphatically insisted that he would NEVER include characters like Catwoman and Robin, due to the silliness attached. Apparently it was Jonathan Nolan that kept insisting and pushed his brother into including them. That's probably why we got half characters instead of full, rounded characters because it became a matter of "How many characters can we cram into this thing". Overall, it's probably my least favorite Nolan film but as they say, Nolan's worst is still a hell of a lot better than most people's best.
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1:49AM on 08/30/2012

With the utmost of respect to the writer, this one is waaaay off base.

I strenuously disagree with pretty much everything here, especially the Silvestri score.

Chris Evans as Captain America makes a lot more sense than Chris Evans as Johnny Storm.

As for the use of the Chitauri, those are called minions. It's perfectly okay for the heroes to waste them several at a time as they work their way toward the showdown with the main villain. Complaining about this is like complaining that every single unnamed soldier Rambo killed didn't have a fully fleshed out
I strenuously disagree with pretty much everything here, especially the Silvestri score.

Chris Evans as Captain America makes a lot more sense than Chris Evans as Johnny Storm.

As for the use of the Chitauri, those are called minions. It's perfectly okay for the heroes to waste them several at a time as they work their way toward the showdown with the main villain. Complaining about this is like complaining that every single unnamed soldier Rambo killed didn't have a fully fleshed out backstory and character development.

Also, even you have to admit The Avengers was way better than Twilight Spid-, I mean, The Amazing Spider-Man.
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1:23AM on 08/30/2012
My double post still disagrees with you
My double post still disagrees with you
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12:53AM on 08/30/2012
I don't know shit about Doctor Who, does anybody want to read a column I wrote about a Doctor Who episode I watched out of context? You clearly know very little about comic books but that hasn't stopped you from having an opinion on what the characters should be. You're assessment on the Hulk is disgusting. Sorry it took time for the Hulk to learn how to gain some control of his rage and focus his aggression on a common threat. I'm also sorry that story, character development and the character
I don't know shit about Doctor Who, does anybody want to read a column I wrote about a Doctor Who episode I watched out of context? You clearly know very little about comic books but that hasn't stopped you from having an opinion on what the characters should be. You're assessment on the Hulk is disgusting. Sorry it took time for the Hulk to learn how to gain some control of his rage and focus his aggression on a common threat. I'm also sorry that story, character development and the character interactions in the middle got in the way of you're movie. And I love how people's conceptions of "comic book-y" are based on the silver and golden age incarnations of these characters. Either these people haven't actually picked up a comic in the past 30 years or their opinions are based solely on the animated series made for kids.
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12:09AM on 08/30/2012

Wrong

"Then you have the Chitauri who are, lets face it, the most useless fighting force ever. Whedon must have felt that using the green skinned Skrulls would look too cartoony for THE AVENGERS so he instead used an alien race that only comic book fans would recognize and he made sure to outfit them from Michael Bay's TRANSFORMERS garage sale."

The Skrulls are part of the Fantastic Four family, and thus as such - could not be used. Marvel licensed them to Fox. They pretty much had to use the
"Then you have the Chitauri who are, lets face it, the most useless fighting force ever. Whedon must have felt that using the green skinned Skrulls would look too cartoony for THE AVENGERS so he instead used an alien race that only comic book fans would recognize and he made sure to outfit them from Michael Bay's TRANSFORMERS garage sale."

The Skrulls are part of the Fantastic Four family, and thus as such - could not be used. Marvel licensed them to Fox. They pretty much had to use the Chitauri.
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11:56PM on 08/29/2012

Totally agree with Matt

First off I'm a big fan of Joblo and I visit it twice a day. The movie news and other sections of the site are great (Ok, not the poster section) and I would've missed out on some great films had I been not visiting Joblo. Having said that, the editorials do not hold a candle to the other quality material on the website. It would really be a bonus if the editorials were creative.

Come on guys, this is your job! This is what you do for a living and you do it day in day out. Show some flair!
First off I'm a big fan of Joblo and I visit it twice a day. The movie news and other sections of the site are great (Ok, not the poster section) and I would've missed out on some great films had I been not visiting Joblo. Having said that, the editorials do not hold a candle to the other quality material on the website. It would really be a bonus if the editorials were creative.

Come on guys, this is your job! This is what you do for a living and you do it day in day out. Show some flair!
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10:19PM on 08/29/2012
Avengers was by no means the perfect film that everyone seems to make it out to be, and while I will concede a number of your points, I would hardly call them deal breakers. Yeah, I agree it was nice seeing the good Hulk at the end and I would have liked to see more of that side of him, having him still be out of control at the beginning gave his character an arc that I feel he needed, especially with a fresh face taking the roll. Yeah, if Norton had been in the roll instead then it might
Avengers was by no means the perfect film that everyone seems to make it out to be, and while I will concede a number of your points, I would hardly call them deal breakers. Yeah, I agree it was nice seeing the good Hulk at the end and I would have liked to see more of that side of him, having him still be out of control at the beginning gave his character an arc that I feel he needed, especially with a fresh face taking the roll. Yeah, if Norton had been in the roll instead then it might have felt like a bit of a retread of Incredible Hulk, but that didn't happen and retreading allowed Ruffalo to grow on us.
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10:11PM on 08/29/2012
COMPLETELY DISAGREE
COMPLETELY DISAGREE
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9:24PM on 08/29/2012

DP...no, not that kind...

Double post. I agree with what my doppelganger said below...
Double post. I agree with what my doppelganger said below...
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9:12PM on 08/29/2012
A well written article, but it gets some things wrong (Hulk as a villain?!) and as such, I have a hard time accepting it as a full and proper entity. Also, why is having character development a bad thing? Re-watch, reflect, and come back to the movie around the beginning of next year. This was bad timing for this particular "Unpopular Opinion" piece.
A well written article, but it gets some things wrong (Hulk as a villain?!) and as such, I have a hard time accepting it as a full and proper entity. Also, why is having character development a bad thing? Re-watch, reflect, and come back to the movie around the beginning of next year. This was bad timing for this particular "Unpopular Opinion" piece.
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8:46PM on 08/29/2012

Respectfully disagree, but commend Alex for his honest piece

I feel the polar opposite of Alex in terms of The Avengers. I loved the movie from start to finish and it exceeded my expectations in every way. For me, it was the realization of the unimaginable; a kick ass adaptation of the comic heroes I'd grown up with in the comics. It had all the ingredients of a summer superhero blockbuster and baked up one hell of cinematic pie.

With that said, I have to come to Alex's defense in terms of what he's presented here; his opinion. I don't agree
I feel the polar opposite of Alex in terms of The Avengers. I loved the movie from start to finish and it exceeded my expectations in every way. For me, it was the realization of the unimaginable; a kick ass adaptation of the comic heroes I'd grown up with in the comics. It had all the ingredients of a summer superhero blockbuster and baked up one hell of cinematic pie.

With that said, I have to come to Alex's defense in terms of what he's presented here; his opinion. I don't agree with it, but I feel that he presented it respectfully and honestly, carefully wording his thoughts and feelings on the film without treading into some rabid fanboy rage, which we have all endured before (and have a bit of below). With the popularity of THE AVENGERS at such a high level, it's a brave thing to step out and go against the masses. It makes for interesting conversation and may even put the film being discussed in a new light. Hearing what others have to say, whether we agree or not, is what makes a comments sections worthwhile...or not.
Anyone that registers here has a right to interact and share their own opinion on any article, be it news, columns, lists, polls, whatever. It gives you a voice and deservedly so. We all want to be heard and we all want to talk about what we love so much at a place like this; movies and entertainment.

As a writer and columnist for this site, I am always interested in what you guys have to say, unless it's straight vitriol. There's a lot of that going on below and it's unnecessary. On one hand, I get it; people love the damned Avengers. I LOVE THE AVENGERS. As superfans, we get passionate about the movies we love and start to take it personal when people dont agree with us. I've had many a heated debate with folks who disagree with me on a movie or vice versa and it's easy to get into "nasty" territory. The trick is to not let yourself take it so personally. In the end, as JoBlo himself has stated below, they're just movies. Not everyone is always going to feel the same way, so there's no reason to tear them a new asshole if they don't.

For @MattFNWallace, sorry you don't dig the columns, man. But, here's the reality; you can't please everyone all the time, which goes for Alex's piece here as well. Everyone has their hits and misses, but between Unpopular Opinion and C'mon Hollywood, you have two columns that offer a perspective not often seen on the "other guys" sites. Everyone here writes their hearts out, whether you believe it or not. If that's not good enough for you, then no worries. It's too easy NOT to read our dreck.

And despite your belief that this column is not as packaged, youre incorrect. A review IS an opinion and this is an unpopular one. As advertised.
Personally, I love writing C'mon Hollywood and I love the feedback from the Schmoes, including a lot of the familiar faces that are replying in this thread. I love debating and I love hearing what folks have to say. It makes my job that much more satiating to hear what the fans have to say and that's the truth. Sometimes it challenges me and I dig that. It keeps me on edge, where I should be.

I always look forward to seeing what Alex or Alejandro have cooked up for the next week, too. Its fun and its what makes visiting movie sites an interactive experience rather than just reading the news (which you always have the option to do).

Okay, this has turned into a column in itself, so Ill wrap it up. Bottom line: Theres no reason we cant be respectful in forming our opinions, just as Alex was in formulating his. Most of you have structured your feedback as such and I commend you for it. You make the Schmoe-verse go round, truly. For those who have a disconnect between a respectful debate and outright nastiness, its time to put it in perspective.

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8:37PM on 08/29/2012

Disagree

The Avengers had real character development, a sense of rhythm, timing and urgency. Things the "other" major superhero film of the year lacked.
The Avengers had real character development, a sense of rhythm, timing and urgency. Things the "other" major superhero film of the year lacked.
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8:29PM on 08/29/2012

Geez

"lol" at all you butthurt fanboys. The Avengers was okay, not great. Like a kitten distracted by a set of jangly keys, people seem to automatically equate decently written and occasionally witty dialogue with movie "greatness," never mind the 1 dimensional "I'm an angry douche so I'm going to take over the world" villain, at times horrible exposition (PULL ON THAT BIG OLE' RED LEVER!) and further lols for the "inner conflict" that Loki caused all of our characters, by summarily executing the
"lol" at all you butthurt fanboys. The Avengers was okay, not great. Like a kitten distracted by a set of jangly keys, people seem to automatically equate decently written and occasionally witty dialogue with movie "greatness," never mind the 1 dimensional "I'm an angry douche so I'm going to take over the world" villain, at times horrible exposition (PULL ON THAT BIG OLE' RED LEVER!) and further lols for the "inner conflict" that Loki caused all of our characters, by summarily executing the side character who was important / recognisable enough that we'll actually notice his death, but yet not important enough that we won't forget in about five minutes time or prevent any toys from being sold for Avengers 2. What actual "inner" conflict is this? It's the most arbitrarily overt "outer" motivation possible, a random, revenge-fueling death. Watch out in Avengers 2 Cobie Smulders. And what motivation did Cap have to defeat Loki?

Don't get me started on the worst army the universe has ever beheld in the final action sequence. It felt like I was back watching one of the Star Wars prequels, with bad guys that were either really, really easy or really, really difficult to defeat depending on whatever level of tension the particular scene required. Holy crap, if one freaking arrow can kill one of these guys, and they can be disarmed by a short chick doing some pirouettes and hair flicks, there ain't no way Earths armies wouldn't defeat there guys in about 8 minutes flat. Put a shotgun in my grandma"s arms and she could have taken plenty of them down. Too bad the mwahaha evilllllll council (equipped with token asian..ya know, for diversity) conveniently displayed on ominously dark computer screens on a ship where of course every other display is lit up like a goddamn christmas tree, was a bit too trigger happy, paving the way for the most popular avenger to save the day of course.

The entire movie just felt so tensionless. Loki, with his grand plan and all his power, turns out just needed to be smashed around for a few seconds to be defeated. Good thing Hulk didnt accidentaly come across him when they were all on the ship together (right after Hawk fired his computer hacking USB arrow) oherwise we wouldnt have been able to witness the video-game that was the final 40 minutes. Meh on this film.
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9:09PM on 08/29/2012
The problem is that Loki isn't just one dimensional. His characterization from "Thor" has to be taken int account as well. As such, it's a logical continuation from where we left him in "Thor"- wanting revenge because Thor 'let' him slip into the abyss.
The problem is that Loki isn't just one dimensional. His characterization from "Thor" has to be taken int account as well. As such, it's a logical continuation from where we left him in "Thor"- wanting revenge because Thor 'let' him slip into the abyss.
8:13PM on 08/29/2012

A valid opinion, but...

...one somewhat minor disagreement. I have no memory whatsoever of the music from The Dark Knight. True, maybe the Avengers music isn't destined to be as instantly recognizable as Superman, Star Wars or Indiana Jones, but The Dark Knight? Really?

Everything else is so subjective that I can't argue with it. I thought the flick was damn near flawless and even after the fourth viewing, I still held a really high opinion of it.
...one somewhat minor disagreement. I have no memory whatsoever of the music from The Dark Knight. True, maybe the Avengers music isn't destined to be as instantly recognizable as Superman, Star Wars or Indiana Jones, but The Dark Knight? Really?

Everything else is so subjective that I can't argue with it. I thought the flick was damn near flawless and even after the fourth viewing, I still held a really high opinion of it.
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7:32PM on 08/29/2012

Flawed viewing

It's such a flawed manner of watching a movie and then perverting the experience by judging it as better or worse than any other number of great movies. You're ignoring what makes the particular movie work because you misguidedly foster the expectation that a movie can't be great for vastly different reasons. You magnify flaws when these flaws have nothing to do with what makes the movie work in it of itself (The Avengers: as an emotionally enthralling piece of cinema that is simply fun, in the
It's such a flawed manner of watching a movie and then perverting the experience by judging it as better or worse than any other number of great movies. You're ignoring what makes the particular movie work because you misguidedly foster the expectation that a movie can't be great for vastly different reasons. You magnify flaws when these flaws have nothing to do with what makes the movie work in it of itself (The Avengers: as an emotionally enthralling piece of cinema that is simply fun, in the best sense of the word). The movie knows its pitfalls and therefore works at taking advantage of building up its characters so their actions resonate meaningfully. True the point of the movie is to build up to that moment where the Avengers work as a team, but at least the movie builds up each character so that its THESE avengers coming together. Setup is vital to making action compelling but so many people ignore it nowadays because they dont actually care or know about story-telling or appreciate a movies pitfalls. What distinguishes the final action sequence from movies like Transformers is that the movie sets it up coherently, honestly, and meaningfully. It doesn't feed people's neutered perception of action as one explosion after the other where no one cares about the characters on screen. There is purpose to that first half and i mourn the fact that people dont understand how vital it all was to set up the final act. You end up ignoring what the movie essentially needed to accomplish in order to work in the first place. People also don't seem to realize that the fundamental requirements of this movie justifies its flaws. 6 main characters, 3 side characters, 1 antagonist that needs to be able to challenge every one of those characters. He doesnt pose a physical threat? Boo hoo. Thats not the point! The goal is to have a villain that creates inner conflict for each character so you understand why they would band together against him. How then do you justify all these characters in this movie? You build them up properly so that the payoff works. [To the writer of the column]: Why are you watching the movie like a five year old child? A child rarely comprehends and appreciates the set up because he doesn't realize that the best reason the final battle works so well was because of the so-called "boring" and "overlong" first half. Whedon, in fact had a great grasp on each and every characters' mythos, down to their core personalities. He also happens to be a very talented writer and director who knows when to neglect an aspect of a movie to make another more vital aspect sing to the audience. It all comes down to story-telling and how you tell the story that is handed to you, especially when that story is handed to you with baggage that you are prohibited from cutting out. I respect what the movie achieves and therefore, commend it as a great superhero movie that accomplished as best it could what it needed to do. I am not bashing the right to have a different opinion. I respect people's varying opinions but it still peeves me when they stubbornly cling to an opinion about a movie out of pride, ego, or ignorance especially when they dont know how to weigh what works for a movie and what doesnt. Maybe you dont care about the story-telling and really just go to the movies to turn off your brain, but you can at least appreciate the effort that goes into making such a project worthy of recognition.
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8:44PM on 08/29/2012
I was going to write a response to the column, but hot damn, you said it all 100%! Most excellent!
I was going to write a response to the column, but hot damn, you said it all 100%! Most excellent!
6:39PM on 08/29/2012

Agree some, but not all

Movie would have been better if you felt like Loki could actually fight. Instead, he pretty much doesn't fight at all, and gets kicked around like a can when he does. Also, why all the hate on these articles? I never see so many people flip out when these articles come up. Is there a timestamp of when it's OK to not be 'too soon?' It's an opinion, and it's unpopular. But don't attack the site like they just insulted your mother.
Movie would have been better if you felt like Loki could actually fight. Instead, he pretty much doesn't fight at all, and gets kicked around like a can when he does. Also, why all the hate on these articles? I never see so many people flip out when these articles come up. Is there a timestamp of when it's OK to not be 'too soon?' It's an opinion, and it's unpopular. But don't attack the site like they just insulted your mother.
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5:46PM on 08/29/2012

Editorial Reform at JoBlo

You guys really need to sit down and take a hard look at your current slate of editorial features. Because they all kind of suck right now. They're poorly conceptualized and badly branded. This one is a prime example. This isn't a column. I'm going to repeat that, because it bears repeating. This. Is not. What. A column. Is. This is simply a review of a movie I saw five months ago. It's too soon to have any retrospective value and it's too late to add anything to a discussion that's already
You guys really need to sit down and take a hard look at your current slate of editorial features. Because they all kind of suck right now. They're poorly conceptualized and badly branded. This one is a prime example. This isn't a column. I'm going to repeat that, because it bears repeating. This. Is not. What. A column. Is. This is simply a review of a movie I saw five months ago. It's too soon to have any retrospective value and it's too late to add anything to a discussion that's already been had. And when I click on it and realize that's what it is, despite what you're packaging it as, it wastes my time and pisses me off and makes me want to use the site less. I'm not talking about the content and whether I agree with it or not. That's irrelevant. Like this article. This is happening more and more lately ("C'mon, Hollywood" is another good example). I like the site. I really do. I like the news, the interviews, a lot of the other features. But your editorial columns are severely lacking in any kind of creativity or relevance and I really believe you can do much better.
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6:05PM on 08/29/2012
I simply cannot agree more. You just completely took my thoughts exactly how they are feeling towards this BS and you put it brilliantly.
I simply cannot agree more. You just completely took my thoughts exactly how they are feeling towards this BS and you put it brilliantly.
6:51PM on 08/29/2012
Thanks for your feedback but columns like UNPOPULAR OPINION and C'MON HOLLYWOOD are 2 of our best received columns on the entire network, so obviously people do appreciate them. That said, nobody said that everyone has to like everything we do on the site, so if you don't like these columns, just skip them, no?

In the end, our UNPOPULAR OPINION columns fill a very basic "fanboy" element which is the element of DEBATE. One of the reasons I started JoBlo.com 14 years ago was because I loved
Thanks for your feedback but columns like UNPOPULAR OPINION and C'MON HOLLYWOOD are 2 of our best received columns on the entire network, so obviously people do appreciate them. That said, nobody said that everyone has to like everything we do on the site, so if you don't like these columns, just skip them, no?

In the end, our UNPOPULAR OPINION columns fill a very basic "fanboy" element which is the element of DEBATE. One of the reasons I started JoBlo.com 14 years ago was because I loved movies, but even moreso, I enjoyed debating/discussing them with others. I thank all the respondents below this article who "respectfully disagreed" with the author or stated their own arguments against him, because...well, that's what this is all about. For all others bashing the site or the author....I mean REALLY? Do you really expect everyone in the world to agree with every one of your opinions all the time? Chill out, folks. It's just a movie and it's just one guy's OPINION. If you disagree, just state your reasonings below, but enough of the "site bashing" simply because you disagree with this guy. C'mon...let's not turn into other sites' TALK BACK sections...
9:54PM on 08/29/2012
Joblo. Please don't brush this off as "Oh it's just fanboys getting upset over an unpopular opinion."

If you read Matt's response or even any of mine, you would see that no one is talking about the writer's opinion. That is not the issue. We have been here long enough to know that people respond to movies differently and that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I love these columns and I love this website. However, Matt is right, this one particular column just pisses me off. It's
Joblo. Please don't brush this off as "Oh it's just fanboys getting upset over an unpopular opinion."

If you read Matt's response or even any of mine, you would see that no one is talking about the writer's opinion. That is not the issue. We have been here long enough to know that people respond to movies differently and that everyone is entitled to their opinion. I love these columns and I love this website. However, Matt is right, this one particular column just pisses me off. It's basically a review from a per-conceived non fan who lacks credibility by not doing research for a column. Here are some of many issues I have with this piece. As you can see, non of them are about the writer's opinion.

1. Writer attacked the fans of the director prior to viewing the movie by labeling them "Cult of Whedon" very professional I might add.
2. Why would we want to read a column from someone who didn’t see the pre existing movies. Isn’t this a movie fan site?
3. Contradicting himself. He loves the Avengers comics better than the movie. Hates Loki as a villain in the movie. Fails to realize Loki was the main villain in Avengers issue #1. Obvious writer didn’t read any Avengers comics as that would be hard to forget.
4. States Osbourne, Lex and Mandarin are better villains. Osbourne was hated by fans and critics. Lex was the main issue Superman Returns was a flop and getting rebooted. Mandarin has never been in a live action movie.
5. Calling the Hulk a villain. Out of three movies, not once has the Hulk been a villain.
6. Using a 5 year old’s response for a column on a highly respected website like this one? Really? And thinking this movie is geared to 5 year olds? Is that why it’s PG-13?
7. Isn’t way too early for an unpopular opinion on this movie? Not like any opinions were even posted.
10:18PM on 08/29/2012
"And thinking this movie is geared to 5 year olds? Is that why it’s PG-13?"

LOL quote of the day. "It's not geared to five year olds.. it's geared to 13 year old's!!"

And no Petey, you ARE just a rabid fanboy who will blindly dismiss any criticism of this movie. You don't give a damn about the logic or the construction or the "research" behind what is ultimately an opinion piece, you really are just upset that someone is criticising your baby.

"no one is talking about the
"And thinking this movie is geared to 5 year olds? Is that why it’s PG-13?"

LOL quote of the day. "It's not geared to five year olds.. it's geared to 13 year old's!!"

And no Petey, you ARE just a rabid fanboy who will blindly dismiss any criticism of this movie. You don't give a damn about the logic or the construction or the "research" behind what is ultimately an opinion piece, you really are just upset that someone is criticising your baby.

"no one is talking about the writer's opinion."

- States Osbourne, Lex and Mandarin are better villains. Osbourne was hated by fans and critics.

Bravo sir.


11:00PM on 08/29/2012
Maybe if Mandarin was ever in a movie then it would be an opinion. The 10 rings from IronMan does not count. Fact - Mandarin was never in a movie.
Fact - Superman Returns is getting a reboot and is considered a failure.
Fact - Lex is the only villain in Returns. His henchmen does not count.
Fact - Your quote of the day was never written by me and you made that up all on your own. A quote is something someone actually said or wrote.

Maybe if Mandarin was ever in a movie then it would be an opinion. The 10 rings from IronMan does not count. Fact - Mandarin was never in a movie.
Fact - Superman Returns is getting a reboot and is considered a failure.
Fact - Lex is the only villain in Returns. His henchmen does not count.
Fact - Your quote of the day was never written by me and you made that up all on your own. A quote is something someone actually said or wrote.

11:50PM on 08/29/2012
Fact: it isn't a fact that Lex is a worse villain than Loki.. just an opinion..

And I know about the quote.. I took some artistic licence and reiterated it.. your quote was the one that was the quote of the day.
Fact: it isn't a fact that Lex is a worse villain than Loki.. just an opinion..

And I know about the quote.. I took some artistic licence and reiterated it.. your quote was the one that was the quote of the day.
11:21PM on 08/30/2012
You do know there is no such word as irrelevant? Much like irregular isn't a real word, sorry just an observation.
You do know there is no such word as irrelevant? Much like irregular isn't a real word, sorry just an observation.
1:51PM on 08/31/2012
Thank you Joblo. This is hilarious. Seriously, if we all agreed on everything - the world would be freakin' boring. This IS just fanboys getting upset. As you said before, if you don't like the column, don't read it. I was a former DJ, and we had people bitch about the music we played (I didn't care for it either). When they called in, we just informed them that most radios had dials. And once they figured that out, the complaints went way down.
Thank you Joblo. This is hilarious. Seriously, if we all agreed on everything - the world would be freakin' boring. This IS just fanboys getting upset. As you said before, if you don't like the column, don't read it. I was a former DJ, and we had people bitch about the music we played (I didn't care for it either). When they called in, we just informed them that most radios had dials. And once they figured that out, the complaints went way down.
5:46PM on 08/29/2012
Seriously? I don't get why people keep harping bad things on this film. The fact that it's a film with so many superheros that had their own film, each are given enough screen time and each feel true to their character is more than enough to warrant the film a pass. The action is never dull or boring and Whedon pulled off something that in my opinion was damn near impossible. Want to look towards an action film that is redundant, boring and too long? Look to Transformers. Look to Avengers when
Seriously? I don't get why people keep harping bad things on this film. The fact that it's a film with so many superheros that had their own film, each are given enough screen time and each feel true to their character is more than enough to warrant the film a pass. The action is never dull or boring and Whedon pulled off something that in my opinion was damn near impossible. Want to look towards an action film that is redundant, boring and too long? Look to Transformers. Look to Avengers when you want to see it done right.
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4:49PM on 08/29/2012
Couldn't disagree more. Every character, even if they didn't have much screentime, was well developed and entertaining. Whedon did a fantastic job of creating a relationship between each of the characters, so not only was the action fantastic, but the downtime was as well. I also beg to differ on several points: Hulk was a villain for a small chunk of time, Loki was the main villain, and a good choice for one too as he does such a fantastic job, and the Chintauri aspect was minor imo, simply a
Couldn't disagree more. Every character, even if they didn't have much screentime, was well developed and entertaining. Whedon did a fantastic job of creating a relationship between each of the characters, so not only was the action fantastic, but the downtime was as well. I also beg to differ on several points: Hulk was a villain for a small chunk of time, Loki was the main villain, and a good choice for one too as he does such a fantastic job, and the Chintauri aspect was minor imo, simply a setup for whatever story they have planned with Thanos. Certainly, there are probably a lot of people out there who don't like the film, but it was just so much damn fun that I really can't complain. In fact, it's the only movie this year so far that I've seen twice in the theater and so far my favorite movie of the year. And I'm not even a comic book geek, I just thoroughly enjoyed it.
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4:29PM on 08/29/2012
@veddhead. No one is upset over another person's opinion. As I stated earlier, I would agree to disagree with him if he simply stated his opinion. No one thinks you are a horrible human being just because you didn't like the avengers. All the extra stuff OP added which is not opinion is what I think the issue is. here is a few of the many examples, saying Hulk was a villain. bringing up Ratner, not seeing the phase one movies, quoting a five year old, not knowing Loki was the villain in issue
@veddhead. No one is upset over another person's opinion. As I stated earlier, I would agree to disagree with him if he simply stated his opinion. No one thinks you are a horrible human being just because you didn't like the avengers. All the extra stuff OP added which is not opinion is what I think the issue is. here is a few of the many examples, saying Hulk was a villain. bringing up Ratner, not seeing the phase one movies, quoting a five year old, not knowing Loki was the villain in issue #1, Mandarin hasn't been in a movie, ... I can go on.
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4:59PM on 08/29/2012
Actually Phase One had been seen by the writer, just not in theaters. Who cares if he quoted a five year old? Marvel aimed these movies at five year olds. A kids' opinion is just as valid on this movie as a grown up or senior citizen.
Actually Phase One had been seen by the writer, just not in theaters. Who cares if he quoted a five year old? Marvel aimed these movies at five year olds. A kids' opinion is just as valid on this movie as a grown up or senior citizen.
5:38PM on 08/29/2012
The movie was not aimed at five year olds! It's PG-13!!
The movie was not aimed at five year olds! It's PG-13!!
9:52PM on 08/29/2012
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1:24PM on 08/31/2012
Yeah and so was Transformers. A TOY!!!!!
Rating doesn't matter, it was clearly aimed at 5 year olds. How do you explain the lunchboxes, birthday decor, kids bedding, backpacks, children's clothing etc??
So if rating means audience direction, explain the PG rating the horror film "Poltergiest" received...
Yeah and so was Transformers. A TOY!!!!!
Rating doesn't matter, it was clearly aimed at 5 year olds. How do you explain the lunchboxes, birthday decor, kids bedding, backpacks, children's clothing etc??
So if rating means audience direction, explain the PG rating the horror film "Poltergiest" received...
4:28PM on 08/29/2012

So not so much 'unpopular opinion'...

Sooo this is not so much "Unpopular Opinion" as it is "Uninterested Opinion." You freely admit that you hadn't cared enough to see any of the Marvel lead-up films in theaters, nor did you have any level of interest in The Avengers itself beforehand. And I should care about your opinion why exactly? I was hoping to hear someone who was actually excited about the movie give me reasons why it fell short of their expectations. I don't give a damn about the low opinion of someone who already had
Sooo this is not so much "Unpopular Opinion" as it is "Uninterested Opinion." You freely admit that you hadn't cared enough to see any of the Marvel lead-up films in theaters, nor did you have any level of interest in The Avengers itself beforehand. And I should care about your opinion why exactly? I was hoping to hear someone who was actually excited about the movie give me reasons why it fell short of their expectations. I don't give a damn about the low opinion of someone who already had low expectations. This was utterly worthless.
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4:27PM on 08/29/2012

wow

Remind me to never read an UnPopular Opinion article again. This was way too soon for this movie. I've been a long time member of this site and this is the first time I disliked an article and completely disagreed with everything a joblo writer had to say.
Remind me to never read an UnPopular Opinion article again. This was way too soon for this movie. I've been a long time member of this site and this is the first time I disliked an article and completely disagreed with everything a joblo writer had to say.
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4:19PM on 08/29/2012
Agree with a lot of what was said here. Also have to commend your braveness, as the hyperbolic geek levels for this one are at quite a high level. This was definitely a pretty good time, but with everything leading up to it in Phase One...it was a bit of a letdown. The point i agree with the most is the pacing. The first half just felt...awkward. Couldn't really put my finger on it at the time. Personally, I was a bigger fan of "Iron Man" and "Captain America: The First Avenger".

As for the
Agree with a lot of what was said here. Also have to commend your braveness, as the hyperbolic geek levels for this one are at quite a high level. This was definitely a pretty good time, but with everything leading up to it in Phase One...it was a bit of a letdown. The point i agree with the most is the pacing. The first half just felt...awkward. Couldn't really put my finger on it at the time. Personally, I was a bigger fan of "Iron Man" and "Captain America: The First Avenger".

As for the visual distinction, pretty much agree, for the most part. However, Whedon did make his presence known in that "one shot" hovering of the whole team during the battle.
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4:14PM on 08/29/2012

Also

Thor was one of the worst comic book/superhero movies ever made. Comparable to LXG.
Thor was one of the worst comic book/superhero movies ever made. Comparable to LXG.
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4:10PM on 08/29/2012

I couldn't agree more!

Every point mentioned here is exactly how i felt. Maybe I had unrealistic expectations because I was half-way between 'WTF' and 'That was entertaining' but never like 'ZOMFG BST MOVI EVUR'. There were things which bugged me and unfortunately the movie would vaguely explain or just push it to the side like 'meh, thats not important' (e.g From Loki's plan for the Hulk to use him or something to Hawkeye & crew calmly walking on top of that Helicarrier...WHILE ITS AT HIGH SPEED AND
Every point mentioned here is exactly how i felt. Maybe I had unrealistic expectations because I was half-way between 'WTF' and 'That was entertaining' but never like 'ZOMFG BST MOVI EVUR'. There were things which bugged me and unfortunately the movie would vaguely explain or just push it to the side like 'meh, thats not important' (e.g From Loki's plan for the Hulk to use him or something to Hawkeye & crew calmly walking on top of that Helicarrier...WHILE ITS AT HIGH SPEED AND ALTITUDE!)

Then I realized its just a comic-movie and it can only do so much and I dunno if that was the film's intention or not.
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4:05PM on 08/29/2012

Also

Thor was one of the worst comic book/superhero movies ever made. Comparable to LXG.
Thor was one of the worst comic book/superhero movies ever made. Comparable to LXG.
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4:04PM on 08/29/2012

I respectfully disagree.

I think the Avengers was the most fun I have had at a film.
I think the Avengers was the most fun I have had at a film.
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4:03PM on 08/29/2012

WOW, everyone chill out.

This is one person's opinion. I actually agree that it wasn't the cat's meow either. I guess that makes me a horrible human being. As stated before, this film was nothing more than a cash grab. Marvel was successful in what they set out to do.
This is one person's opinion. I actually agree that it wasn't the cat's meow either. I guess that makes me a horrible human being. As stated before, this film was nothing more than a cash grab. Marvel was successful in what they set out to do.
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3:56PM on 08/29/2012

I agree 100% with your assessment

The Avengers reminded me of the big screen Power Rangers movie. It looked shiny and expensive and was thrilling for the kid in me, but it ultimately rang hollow and pointless.
The Avengers reminded me of the big screen Power Rangers movie. It looked shiny and expensive and was thrilling for the kid in me, but it ultimately rang hollow and pointless.
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3:52PM on 08/29/2012
My favorite part of this article is how the writer says in one paragraph how he doesn't like Loki as a villain. Then in the last paragraph he mentions how much he likes the comic book counter part to The Avengers so much better because they take risks. I wonder if the writer has ever read an Avengers comic. Or could it be that he forgot Loki is a the first Avengers villain in The Avengers issue #1.
My favorite part of this article is how the writer says in one paragraph how he doesn't like Loki as a villain. Then in the last paragraph he mentions how much he likes the comic book counter part to The Avengers so much better because they take risks. I wonder if the writer has ever read an Avengers comic. Or could it be that he forgot Loki is a the first Avengers villain in The Avengers issue #1.
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3:47PM on 08/29/2012
One way to loose every bit of fanboy credibility: to mention Brett Ratner in the same breath with Raimi, Snyder and Nolan. BTW the Amazing Spiderman was unnecessary and TDKR a cool looking, bloated mess.
One way to loose every bit of fanboy credibility: to mention Brett Ratner in the same breath with Raimi, Snyder and Nolan. BTW the Amazing Spiderman was unnecessary and TDKR a cool looking, bloated mess.
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3:47PM on 08/29/2012
Hulk originally was a "wild animal" and was mercilessly hunted by the military. The other Hulk movies portrayed that pretty well. Sounds to me like you need to brush up on your history and then try watching these films again.
Hulk originally was a "wild animal" and was mercilessly hunted by the military. The other Hulk movies portrayed that pretty well. Sounds to me like you need to brush up on your history and then try watching these films again.
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3:35PM on 08/29/2012
I agree with some of your points. I enjoyed it, but wasn't blown away by it. I also felt that Black Widow became way too powerful after only seeing her in one movie. She was bigger than Captain America in the final battle which made me angry. Not because it was a woman, but because Captain Freakin America should have stood out more than the Black Widow
I agree with some of your points. I enjoyed it, but wasn't blown away by it. I also felt that Black Widow became way too powerful after only seeing her in one movie. She was bigger than Captain America in the final battle which made me angry. Not because it was a woman, but because Captain Freakin America should have stood out more than the Black Widow
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3:30PM on 08/29/2012

Lost me at...

"I never really thought FIREFLY was that great, either."
"I never really thought FIREFLY was that great, either."
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6:03PM on 08/29/2012
Amen!
Amen!
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3:26PM on 08/29/2012

You Lost All Credibility When You Mentioned Ratner

Really, you want to say something positive about Brett Ratner's X-Men film???? I'll never read an article of yours again because you sir are an idiot.

I mean to each their own. I'll admit, X-2 was really good, but let's leave Ratner out of this.
Really, you want to say something positive about Brett Ratner's X-Men film???? I'll never read an article of yours again because you sir are an idiot.

I mean to each their own. I'll admit, X-2 was really good, but let's leave Ratner out of this.
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3:47PM on 08/29/2012
Same here man. I can't understand why Joblo would want to have writers pissing off all their members. I mean, it's one thing to state an opinion but to bring up idiotic points, not having seen the movies, not liking the directors previous work. Stating wrong facts or facts that are irrelevant (ie mandarin) is just plain stupid.
Same here man. I can't understand why Joblo would want to have writers pissing off all their members. I mean, it's one thing to state an opinion but to bring up idiotic points, not having seen the movies, not liking the directors previous work. Stating wrong facts or facts that are irrelevant (ie mandarin) is just plain stupid.
3:21PM on 08/29/2012
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3:06PM on 08/29/2012

Agree with u.neither disappointed nor blown away

The three superhero films disappointed me.they r not extraordinary.The Avengers is Average with pretty normal story.Helicarrier action episode is overlong.Climax is Deja v of TRANSFORMERS 3.if i hav to rank,my ranking 1)The Avengers 2)Amazing spiderman 3)TDKR.waiting for The Unpopular opinion on TDKR.
The three superhero films disappointed me.they r not extraordinary.The Avengers is Average with pretty normal story.Helicarrier action episode is overlong.Climax is Deja v of TRANSFORMERS 3.if i hav to rank,my ranking 1)The Avengers 2)Amazing spiderman 3)TDKR.waiting for The Unpopular opinion on TDKR.
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3:02PM on 08/29/2012
I have to disagree about Whedon having no style to set this movie apart. If you are simply talking visual flare then perhaps but Whedon has a very distinctive style that has served him well over the years and the reason why his fans flock to his shows. He is incredible with his characters. This is one of the things that set him apart as the perfect director for the Avengers as his focus has always been on character rather than just visuals. I'm not a huge Whedon fan myself in the fact that I
I have to disagree about Whedon having no style to set this movie apart. If you are simply talking visual flare then perhaps but Whedon has a very distinctive style that has served him well over the years and the reason why his fans flock to his shows. He is incredible with his characters. This is one of the things that set him apart as the perfect director for the Avengers as his focus has always been on character rather than just visuals. I'm not a huge Whedon fan myself in the fact that I never got into Buffy, Angel and I only recently watched Firefly but one thing I knew when he was announced as director he would make sure that all the characters in the movie were given their distinctive voices which he does in spades. That's the reason why Avengers was so successful. Not because it had more explosions than other movies or better action but because Whedon made sure that we cared about the characters that were fighting.

Best Superhero movie ever? Not in my opinion but one of the most fun superhero movies to come around for quite some time.
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2:50PM on 08/29/2012
Go read some Avengers comics and tell me this movie still sucks. Also you can't start the Avengers without Loki being the first villain, FACT.
Go read some Avengers comics and tell me this movie still sucks. Also you can't start the Avengers without Loki being the first villain, FACT.
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2:57PM on 08/29/2012
If he went and did some homework/research by reading some comics that would mean he is a serious writer. He is obviously not a serious writer. He didn't know Loki was the first Avengers villain in the comics. He thinks Osborne and Mandarin are better villains.
If he went and did some homework/research by reading some comics that would mean he is a serious writer. He is obviously not a serious writer. He didn't know Loki was the first Avengers villain in the comics. He thinks Osborne and Mandarin are better villains.
2:58PM on 08/29/2012
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2:46PM on 08/29/2012
If this article was written by someone who actually had a clue when it comes to comic book movies, it would have merit. I would agree to disagree as we are entitled to our opinions. However, this is not the case. You obviously went into the movie with a per-conceived notion that Batman and Spiderman are the best movies and will not be matched (so wrong). Heck, you didn't even see any of the previous movies in theaters.
If this article was written by someone who actually had a clue when it comes to comic book movies, it would have merit. I would agree to disagree as we are entitled to our opinions. However, this is not the case. You obviously went into the movie with a per-conceived notion that Batman and Spiderman are the best movies and will not be matched (so wrong). Heck, you didn't even see any of the previous movies in theaters.
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2:39PM on 08/29/2012
This article is beyond fail. You lost your credibility as soon as you said Firefly isn't all that great. Then you lost your credibility again when you said you have not seen any of the phase one movies in a theater. That should automatically disqualify you from even writing this article. A member of the Cult of Whedon you may not be, but you can't hide the fact that you are an obvious Nolan groupie. Oh, and to say Norman Osborne and Lex Luther are better villains than Loki is just plain wrong.
This article is beyond fail. You lost your credibility as soon as you said Firefly isn't all that great. Then you lost your credibility again when you said you have not seen any of the phase one movies in a theater. That should automatically disqualify you from even writing this article. A member of the Cult of Whedon you may not be, but you can't hide the fact that you are an obvious Nolan groupie. Oh, and to say Norman Osborne and Lex Luther are better villains than Loki is just plain wrong. I guess that's why Super Man Returns is on everyone's top 10 super hero movie list. Is this also why the Osborne power ranger costume was so amazing? Spider-Man2 was a great movie, but the trilogy as a whole was a joke. Macy Gray/Sand-man/skinny venom/emo spidey...there was so much fail in that trilogy.
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2:32PM on 08/29/2012

Mostly an Accurate Description

I feel that you should feel strongly about a film, either love it or hate it. You shouldn't just be okay with it, or else it hasn't done its job, so I can agree with Alex on that aspect. I will also agree with the faceless villains. They were nobodies. It's like in the Phantom Menace. You have these droids fighting, and they're not compelling in the least. They're a meaningless obstacle. I know a lot will instantly hate that I compared the Avengers to the Phantom Menace. The Avengers is
I feel that you should feel strongly about a film, either love it or hate it. You shouldn't just be okay with it, or else it hasn't done its job, so I can agree with Alex on that aspect. I will also agree with the faceless villains. They were nobodies. It's like in the Phantom Menace. You have these droids fighting, and they're not compelling in the least. They're a meaningless obstacle. I know a lot will instantly hate that I compared the Avengers to the Phantom Menace. The Avengers is far better. I would argue that while it's not the best superhero film ever produced, Joss Whedon, whether it felt like a Whedon film or not, did a great job of putting these heroes together. Yes, some of them get the shaft, some of them were Shaft, but overall, you have a great film, definitely a 7 or 8 out of 10. My favorite superhero film is probably Spider-Man 2, if you want to know where I'm coming from.
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2:23PM on 08/29/2012

Devil's Advocate Much?

Dude, you made some really interesting points, but next time, try seeing the flick with folks your own age or a room full of fanboys, instead of a 5 year old. [What were you thinking bringing a 5 yr old to this movie in the first place. My kid is 9 and I still thought it was too much for her.] It makes a big difference. You're not watching for a 5 yr old's reaction to a giant explosion of a film, you are able to fully immerse yourself in it (at an adult, or even teen level).
That being said,
Dude, you made some really interesting points, but next time, try seeing the flick with folks your own age or a room full of fanboys, instead of a 5 year old. [What were you thinking bringing a 5 yr old to this movie in the first place. My kid is 9 and I still thought it was too much for her.] It makes a big difference. You're not watching for a 5 yr old's reaction to a giant explosion of a film, you are able to fully immerse yourself in it (at an adult, or even teen level).
That being said, how the hell can you kick this awesome ride?! I can't imagine anyone being able to pull this off, and Whedon did it in spades?! By your own admission, you're not even a really big super hero fan in the first place. And, sorry pal, but this is a movie for super hero enthusiasts. THE movie for super hero enthusiasts. It wasn't made for you. Obviously.
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2:24PM on 08/29/2012
Another Joblo double post. What is up with that?
Another Joblo double post. What is up with that?
2:20PM on 08/29/2012
Greatest superhero movie ever? No.

Greatest comic book movie ever? Hell yeah.
Greatest superhero movie ever? No.

Greatest comic book movie ever? Hell yeah.
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2:18PM on 08/29/2012

Devil's Advocate Much?

Dude, you made some really interesting points, but next time, try seeing the flick with folks your own age or a room full of fanboys, instead of a 5 year old. [What were you thinking bringing a 5 yr old to this movie in the first place. My kid is 9 and I still thought it was too much for her.] It makes a big difference. You're not watching for a 5 yr old's reaction to a giant explosion of a film, you are able to fully immerse yourself in it (at an adult, or even teen level).
That being said,
Dude, you made some really interesting points, but next time, try seeing the flick with folks your own age or a room full of fanboys, instead of a 5 year old. [What were you thinking bringing a 5 yr old to this movie in the first place. My kid is 9 and I still thought it was too much for her.] It makes a big difference. You're not watching for a 5 yr old's reaction to a giant explosion of a film, you are able to fully immerse yourself in it (at an adult, or even teen level).
That being said, how the hell can you kick this awesome ride?! I can't imagine anyone being able to pull this off, and Whedon did it in spades?! By your own admission, you're not even a really big super hero fan in the first place. And, sorry pal, but this is a movie for super hero enthusiasts. THE movie for super hero enthusiasts. It wasn't made for you. Obviously.
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2:18PM on 08/29/2012

Here's an easy way to counter you.

$207,438,708 -- Opening Night (Gross Sales)
$617,800,446 -- Overall (Gross Sales)

I think 61,780,045 (just assuming each ticket is at an average of $10) people disagree with you...well actually -- 61,780,044 people (since you obviously bought a ticket)
$207,438,708 -- Opening Night (Gross Sales)
$617,800,446 -- Overall (Gross Sales)

I think 61,780,045 (just assuming each ticket is at an average of $10) people disagree with you...well actually -- 61,780,044 people (since you obviously bought a ticket)
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2:39PM on 08/29/2012
Since when does $ = Quality???

Episode 1, Episode 2, Episode 3, The Twilight Series, The Transformers Series, High School Musical 3, The Proposal, Avatar, Titanic. Do I need to keep going?
Since when does $ = Quality???

Episode 1, Episode 2, Episode 3, The Twilight Series, The Transformers Series, High School Musical 3, The Proposal, Avatar, Titanic. Do I need to keep going?
8:38PM on 08/29/2012
$ = Quality when people go and see this movie multiple times.
Titanic wasn't quality?
Twilight Series was quality to the people who were fans of the books
I thought the first transformers movie was pretty epic and I loved it. 2nd movie was quality but it wasn't the best movie out there.
Contrary to popular belief, I liked Ep 1, 2 and 3 even though they didn't stack up to their "sequels".

Quality is in the eyes of those who want to find it in the movies. I saw the Avengers a few times in
$ = Quality when people go and see this movie multiple times.
Titanic wasn't quality?
Twilight Series was quality to the people who were fans of the books
I thought the first transformers movie was pretty epic and I loved it. 2nd movie was quality but it wasn't the best movie out there.
Contrary to popular belief, I liked Ep 1, 2 and 3 even though they didn't stack up to their "sequels".

Quality is in the eyes of those who want to find it in the movies. I saw the Avengers a few times in theaters. I though the acting was great, action was spectacular and was very pleased w/ the end result. I didn't say his opinion was crap, I just said people disagree.
1:10PM on 08/31/2012
Quality is in the eye of the beholder, I find those films mentioned a low quality of entertainment. I am not easily amused. I do not like to be spoon fed by studios, fanboys or anyone else as to what I am supposed to like.
Quality is in the eye of the beholder, I find those films mentioned a low quality of entertainment. I am not easily amused. I do not like to be spoon fed by studios, fanboys or anyone else as to what I am supposed to like.
2:07PM on 08/29/2012

Avengers was what it was...a CASH GRAB

Marvel executed their plan to perfection: churning out several mediocre films (except 1st Iron Man & Norton's Hulk) in order to get to this MAD CASH making film. While I won't compare it to other comic book movies, I will say that it still didn't live up to the hype or deliver any of the goods I had expected. 6 or 7 out of 10. BTW, Norton would have been a better Banner. I like Ruffalo, but he is no Norton IMO.
Marvel executed their plan to perfection: churning out several mediocre films (except 1st Iron Man & Norton's Hulk) in order to get to this MAD CASH making film. While I won't compare it to other comic book movies, I will say that it still didn't live up to the hype or deliver any of the goods I had expected. 6 or 7 out of 10. BTW, Norton would have been a better Banner. I like Ruffalo, but he is no Norton IMO.
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6:13PM on 08/29/2012
It more than lived up to the hype AND made a ton of cash because of it. People don't go see a movie multiple times in the theater if it doesn't bring the goods. Avengers brought the goods. And just so you know... movie studios are in this business to make money, so every single film ever made is a cash grab.
It more than lived up to the hype AND made a ton of cash because of it. People don't go see a movie multiple times in the theater if it doesn't bring the goods. Avengers brought the goods. And just so you know... movie studios are in this business to make money, so every single film ever made is a cash grab.
1:06PM on 08/31/2012
Films like "Shame," "Red State" "A Dangerous Method," "Following," "Pink Flamingos" were all made with the purpose of making money?? You are not seeing the big picture. So by your rationale, "Twilight" was one of the most beloved movies ever because tweens saw that over and over. Laughable.
Films like "Shame," "Red State" "A Dangerous Method," "Following," "Pink Flamingos" were all made with the purpose of making money?? You are not seeing the big picture. So by your rationale, "Twilight" was one of the most beloved movies ever because tweens saw that over and over. Laughable.
2:06PM on 08/29/2012
Anyone that likes Spider-man more than Avengers needs their head checked.
Dark Knight was ok
Spider-man sucked
Avengers awesome.
Anyone that likes Spider-man more than Avengers needs their head checked.
Dark Knight was ok
Spider-man sucked
Avengers awesome.
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2:02PM on 08/29/2012

Nuckin Futts

Geez man, they weren't trying to cure cancer for F-sakes ! It was balls to the wall pure entertainment. Sure, it's not for everyone, but even my wife who don't even like Superhero type movies thoroughly enjoyed the shit outta The Avengers. It accomplished what it set out to do, and made millions in its path. Your very unpopular opinion is just making you look like a damn fool.
Geez man, they weren't trying to cure cancer for F-sakes ! It was balls to the wall pure entertainment. Sure, it's not for everyone, but even my wife who don't even like Superhero type movies thoroughly enjoyed the shit outta The Avengers. It accomplished what it set out to do, and made millions in its path. Your very unpopular opinion is just making you look like a damn fool.
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1:58PM on 08/29/2012

Too soon!

And you're wrong,from now on anything written by Alex Maidy is immediately suspect.
And you're wrong,from now on anything written by Alex Maidy is immediately suspect.
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1:53PM on 08/29/2012
I swear these "articles" are just made to see how many people Joblo writers can piss off.
I swear these "articles" are just made to see how many people Joblo writers can piss off.
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1:33PM on 08/29/2012
I swear reading this column just furthers my belief that these days anybody under the age of 28 just doesn't have the ability to sit back and just enjoy a film for what it is anymore.
I swear reading this column just furthers my belief that these days anybody under the age of 28 just doesn't have the ability to sit back and just enjoy a film for what it is anymore.
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1:28PM on 08/29/2012

Right, so.

In this case I'm just going to rely on my years of film watching, years of film study, years of film-making and years of film teaching to give an apt an unbiased and critical opinion on The Avengers. I'm just going to put my fanboyism aside for a second, because I'd hate to sound like a gushing child and I'd hate to overstate the value of this film based on being a comic book fan, so I'll have to tone it down a bit. Here's my review:

In my opinion, The Avengers is probably the best thing to
In this case I'm just going to rely on my years of film watching, years of film study, years of film-making and years of film teaching to give an apt an unbiased and critical opinion on The Avengers. I'm just going to put my fanboyism aside for a second, because I'd hate to sound like a gushing child and I'd hate to overstate the value of this film based on being a comic book fan, so I'll have to tone it down a bit. Here's my review:

In my opinion, The Avengers is probably the best thing to ever happen on planet Earth. Ever.

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2:13PM on 08/29/2012
Those who can't do, teach. Remember that.
Those who can't do, teach. Remember that.
2:23PM on 08/29/2012
Best. Review. Ever.
Best. Review. Ever.
2:23PM on 08/29/2012
Best. Review. Ever.
Best. Review. Ever.
2:51PM on 08/29/2012
Actually, Rob it's more like:

"Those who want a stable income and family life before their mid-thirties, probably shouldn't be in the film industry"
Actually, Rob it's more like:

"Those who want a stable income and family life before their mid-thirties, probably shouldn't be in the film industry"
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1:26PM on 08/29/2012
The Incredibles shouldn't be categorized with all the live action super hero movies,
The Incredibles shouldn't be categorized with all the live action super hero movies,
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1:03PM on 08/29/2012

TDKR has no replay value...

If you didn't like The Avengers that is fine, we are just fans of movies that are fun and entertaining. Feel free to buy TDKR on Blu-Ray and watch it over and over again. I'm sure if you watch it enough the characters start to get their characteristics back...something the Avengers didn't have a problem doing the first time.
If you didn't like The Avengers that is fine, we are just fans of movies that are fun and entertaining. Feel free to buy TDKR on Blu-Ray and watch it over and over again. I'm sure if you watch it enough the characters start to get their characteristics back...something the Avengers didn't have a problem doing the first time.
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2:00PM on 08/29/2012
I enjoyed both movies and plan to own both. But TDKR has plenty of replay value. In fact, I've enjoyed it more each time I've seen it. I find that it has more replay value than either of the other 2 Nolan Batfilms, and more than Avengers, which I've seen twice but am not in a huge rush to watch for a third time.
I enjoyed both movies and plan to own both. But TDKR has plenty of replay value. In fact, I've enjoyed it more each time I've seen it. I find that it has more replay value than either of the other 2 Nolan Batfilms, and more than Avengers, which I've seen twice but am not in a huge rush to watch for a third time.
6:17PM on 08/29/2012
I, for one, will never watch TDKR again. It was bad enough the first time. Not "Batman & Robin" bad, but still pretty bad. And I like Begins and TDK a lot. Nolan dropped the ball with the third one.
I, for one, will never watch TDKR again. It was bad enough the first time. Not "Batman & Robin" bad, but still pretty bad. And I like Begins and TDK a lot. Nolan dropped the ball with the third one.
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12:54PM on 08/29/2012

Claiming to be the best

It annoys me when people talk about the "best superhero movie' is this or that. The avengers was a hell of a good time I don't think it was the best superhero movie but I don't think X2 or The Dark Knight are either. Lets just be happy we live in a time with multiple good superhero films with many different styles. The Avengers was a breath of fresh air and a nice break from the normal "dark" and "gritty" films that everyone seems to not get enough of. I loved the avengers and I don't think
It annoys me when people talk about the "best superhero movie' is this or that. The avengers was a hell of a good time I don't think it was the best superhero movie but I don't think X2 or The Dark Knight are either. Lets just be happy we live in a time with multiple good superhero films with many different styles. The Avengers was a breath of fresh air and a nice break from the normal "dark" and "gritty" films that everyone seems to not get enough of. I loved the avengers and I don't think that somehow diminishes the greatness of other super hero films. Oh and also the Citauri was the perfect alien race to use. Loki was the villian and whedon just need an expendable alien army for the action scenes. If Whedon had used the skrulls or another popular group there would not have been enough focus devoted to either the skrulls or loki.
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12:47PM on 08/29/2012

Blasphemy!

Nah I'm just kidding. I loved The Avengers and disagree with nearly everything you just said, but I'm going to respect your opinions and say kudos on a well-written article. At least you didn't pop a pimple out of pure rage and type in all-caps. Avengers was one of the best times I've had in a cinema, and I'm 25. It was fun, it was entertaining, and it showed great chemistry between our fave heroes. What's not to like.
Nah I'm just kidding. I loved The Avengers and disagree with nearly everything you just said, but I'm going to respect your opinions and say kudos on a well-written article. At least you didn't pop a pimple out of pure rage and type in all-caps. Avengers was one of the best times I've had in a cinema, and I'm 25. It was fun, it was entertaining, and it showed great chemistry between our fave heroes. What's not to like.
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12:40PM on 08/29/2012

IMHO Avengers >TDKR. This coming for a big DC>Marvel geek.

FYI, the Chitauri were originally supposed to be Skrulls but for copyright reasons they were changed. Fox obtained the rights with Fantastic Four.
FYI, the Chitauri were originally supposed to be Skrulls but for copyright reasons they were changed. Fox obtained the rights with Fantastic Four.
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12:38PM on 08/29/2012

Claiming to be the best

It annoys me when people talk about the "best superhero movie' is this or that. The avengers was a hell of a good time I don't think it was the best superhero movie but I don't think X2 or The Dark Knight are either. Lets just be happy we live in a time with multiple good superhero films with many different styles. The Avengers was a breath of fresh air and a nice break from the normal "dark" and "gritty" films that everyone seems to not get enough of. I loved the avengers and I don't think
It annoys me when people talk about the "best superhero movie' is this or that. The avengers was a hell of a good time I don't think it was the best superhero movie but I don't think X2 or The Dark Knight are either. Lets just be happy we live in a time with multiple good superhero films with many different styles. The Avengers was a breath of fresh air and a nice break from the normal "dark" and "gritty" films that everyone seems to not get enough of. I loved the avengers and I don't think that somehow diminishes the greatness of other super hero films. Oh and also the Citauri was the perfect alien race to use. Loki was the villian and whedon just need an expendable alien army for the action scenes. If Whedon had used the skrulls or another popular group there would not have been enough focus devoted to either the skrulls or loki.
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12:38PM on 08/29/2012

Sry

but i stopped reading after the Hulk paragraph cause it was so off base i had a hard time believing what i was reading. The Hulk as a "wild Animal" in the earlier movies? No Shit? funny cause that's the WHOLE CHARACTER in the early runnings on his career. The idea that Banner has any control over the Hulk persona wasn't something that happened until years after the character being around. If you understood the character at all you would know that the part where Banner lets out that he is in
but i stopped reading after the Hulk paragraph cause it was so off base i had a hard time believing what i was reading. The Hulk as a "wild Animal" in the earlier movies? No Shit? funny cause that's the WHOLE CHARACTER in the early runnings on his career. The idea that Banner has any control over the Hulk persona wasn't something that happened until years after the character being around. If you understood the character at all you would know that the part where Banner lets out that he is in control now is one of the biggest reveals in all of the Marvel movies thus far. I cheered loudly when that scene happened cause that was the perfect evolution of the character within the framing of the movies. Maybe its not a matter of how good or not Whedon is and your own limited understanding about the characters that he so nicely fits together in his movie that is your problem with enjoying it. Just a theory.
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12:37PM on 08/29/2012
I liked this movie, and reading an opinion piece from your point of view is a great read. I enjoyed how you've analyzed the film.
I did feel that Captain America had leadership, it just took til the end for him to finally take it due to the emotion and events that happened.
Keep it up with pieces like this. Great read.
I liked this movie, and reading an opinion piece from your point of view is a great read. I enjoyed how you've analyzed the film.
I did feel that Captain America had leadership, it just took til the end for him to finally take it due to the emotion and events that happened.
Keep it up with pieces like this. Great read.
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12:28PM on 08/29/2012
TDKR is much worse than the Avengers due to being hugeley flawed and STUPID (as well as taking it's audience for a bunch of retards) - But good Article anyway
TDKR is much worse than the Avengers due to being hugeley flawed and STUPID (as well as taking it's audience for a bunch of retards) - But good Article anyway
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12:20PM on 08/29/2012
The Dark Knight Rises was just a mess...you should do an unpopular opinion about it
The Dark Knight Rises was just a mess...you should do an unpopular opinion about it
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12:16PM on 08/29/2012

While I agree with a lot of these points

I don't think it's enough to disregard the whole movie. The final battle of Transformers 3 was (in my own opinion) a far superior visual spectactle and made The Avengers just seem a bit boring by comparison.
I don't think it's enough to disregard the whole movie. The final battle of Transformers 3 was (in my own opinion) a far superior visual spectactle and made The Avengers just seem a bit boring by comparison.
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12:28PM on 08/29/2012
Curious, I felt the opposite. TF3's final battle was too long, robotic and souless. I'm a sucker for big action scenes and explosions, but I started yawning about two-thirds into the climax and even felt tired at the end of it. The Avengers's final battle was more exciting, better balanced among the superheroes, more fun and even more funny (damn that Hulk! :P ).
Curious, I felt the opposite. TF3's final battle was too long, robotic and souless. I'm a sucker for big action scenes and explosions, but I started yawning about two-thirds into the climax and even felt tired at the end of it. The Avengers's final battle was more exciting, better balanced among the superheroes, more fun and even more funny (damn that Hulk! :P ).
12:31PM on 08/29/2012
What made the battle scene of the Avengers so awesome, was the simple fact that it was never too chaotic and you could always tell who the good guys were, see where each of them was during the battle and even see what each of them was doing. The battle scene in Dark Of The Moon, is just a bunch of identical robots blowing each other up. Good luck trying to find your favorite character in this mess, unless he's Optimus Prime, of course.
What made the battle scene of the Avengers so awesome, was the simple fact that it was never too chaotic and you could always tell who the good guys were, see where each of them was during the battle and even see what each of them was doing. The battle scene in Dark Of The Moon, is just a bunch of identical robots blowing each other up. Good luck trying to find your favorite character in this mess, unless he's Optimus Prime, of course.
12:57PM on 08/29/2012
I felt exhausted at the end of TDKR similar to the ay Transformers 3 made me feel. It wasn't exciting at all, because they ruined the movie up to that point by wasting Talia Al Ghul and Bane in a lame plot twist.

I noticed that the people who LOVE this movie don't know anything about the characters relationships, or personalities. Talia is Batman's one big romance, and they skim over that by having him fuck her one night in the empty mansion and never seeing her again. Then they bring her
I felt exhausted at the end of TDKR similar to the ay Transformers 3 made me feel. It wasn't exciting at all, because they ruined the movie up to that point by wasting Talia Al Ghul and Bane in a lame plot twist.

I noticed that the people who LOVE this movie don't know anything about the characters relationships, or personalities. Talia is Batman's one big romance, and they skim over that by having him fuck her one night in the empty mansion and never seeing her again. Then they bring her back as a twist that sucked SO HARD. You could see it coming a mile away, and even if you didn't it wasn't great at all. They tell us Bane was the student of Ras Al Ghul, essentially trained as a ninja and then they kill him off in a blink of an eye. The movie has tons of lame problems, but most of all it just isn't FUN or ENTERTAINING.

I predict this movie will be forgotten pretty fast once people try re-watching on Blu-Ray. Also Batman needs to be a detective in the next reincarnation, instead of a mopey idiot who gets heartbroken over a girl like Rachel...
8:52PM on 08/29/2012
In TF3, please give the geography of the characters at any given point during that battle, I bet unless you drew a map while watching and pausing the film, you couldn't do it. I could do it for The Avengers quite handily- thus, this was the better fight.
In TF3, please give the geography of the characters at any given point during that battle, I bet unless you drew a map while watching and pausing the film, you couldn't do it. I could do it for The Avengers quite handily- thus, this was the better fight.
12:14PM on 08/29/2012

Couldn't disagree more

This was the first time in my life that I wanted to re-watch a movie right after I left the theater and the only time that I actually paid to see a movie twice at the cinema. I don't know what movie you watched, but the one I watched was a spectacular, non-stop roller coaster ride that gave each of its stars, even Black Widow, their moment in the sun, something that X-Men movies prior to First Class, simply never did. I am not saying that they are bad, I am just saying that they could be called
This was the first time in my life that I wanted to re-watch a movie right after I left the theater and the only time that I actually paid to see a movie twice at the cinema. I don't know what movie you watched, but the one I watched was a spectacular, non-stop roller coaster ride that gave each of its stars, even Black Widow, their moment in the sun, something that X-Men movies prior to First Class, simply never did. I am not saying that they are bad, I am just saying that they could be called "Wolverine and A Bunch Of Other Dudes" for all I care. In fact, the only complain that I can make about The Avengers, and I'm surprised by the fact that it hasn't been brought up all this time, is the fact that Captain America doesn't come off as awesome or powerful in this movie. He is supposed to be a super soldier and what not, but it seems that the Widow and Hawkeye are just as capable as he is, perhaps even more so in some occasions.
Anyway, is this the best superhero movie ever made? No, The Drak Knight is better in every way, but you know what? If given the chance, I'd ather watch The Avengers right now, instead of the Dark Knight. Sure, it's a deeper and much better movies and all that, but in the end of the day, The Avengers was way more fun. It may not be the best film of the year, but so far, it is by far my favorite, with TDKR being a close second and TASM barely cracking the top 5
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12:12PM on 08/29/2012
Can't say I agree. While I don't think The Avengers is a masterpiece, it is a heck of a lot of fun and a well-made movie. The first of two things holding it back, in my opinion, is the story, which is by no means grand enough for this team-up. "Supervillain threatens the world--heroes must save the world." Been there a million times over--The Avengers deserved something fresh!

The next thing that holds it back is that, as good as the final action sequence was, seeing New York get trashed
Can't say I agree. While I don't think The Avengers is a masterpiece, it is a heck of a lot of fun and a well-made movie. The first of two things holding it back, in my opinion, is the story, which is by no means grand enough for this team-up. "Supervillain threatens the world--heroes must save the world." Been there a million times over--The Avengers deserved something fresh!

The next thing that holds it back is that, as good as the final action sequence was, seeing New York get trashed for the billionth time in the last ten years was a little tiresome. Again--something bigger, something grander, is what The Avengers needed. Other than those two flaws, though, Avengers is one of the most fun movies I have seen all year. Tom Hiddleston rocks.
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12:11PM on 08/29/2012

Out of your skrull

First of all I find it hard to respect the opinion of someone who is openly admitting he doesn't go see the other films of the series in the theater. Second the fact that you're agreeing with a Kindgartener about not owning the movie because it slowed a little in the center in order to provide us with further story details then you clearly aren't smart enough to understand and appreciate the fact that Whedon was able to seemlessly blend films from multiple different directors and give this
First of all I find it hard to respect the opinion of someone who is openly admitting he doesn't go see the other films of the series in the theater. Second the fact that you're agreeing with a Kindgartener about not owning the movie because it slowed a little in the center in order to provide us with further story details then you clearly aren't smart enough to understand and appreciate the fact that Whedon was able to seemlessly blend films from multiple different directors and give this many characters equally high stakes in the film without having the entire film become a colossal Revenge of the Fallen style mess.

The reviewers on this site need to have their heads examined, they always clamor for stronger focus on a better story but then when a director gives us this and has to take a few minutes away from action everyone gets up in arms about how terribly slow the movie was.
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9:57PM on 08/29/2012
Who cares if he wasn't able to see the previous films in theaters? Why lose respect for him immediately because of that? He still made it a point to see the movies, as opposed to him going in completely uninitiated. You and him clearly state that he has a 5 year old kindergartner, so that would put his son around 1 when Iron Man came out. Kids take a lot out of your time and money, so you can't just go see a movie whenever you feel like it, because you have a human being to care for. No need to
Who cares if he wasn't able to see the previous films in theaters? Why lose respect for him immediately because of that? He still made it a point to see the movies, as opposed to him going in completely uninitiated. You and him clearly state that he has a 5 year old kindergartner, so that would put his son around 1 when Iron Man came out. Kids take a lot out of your time and money, so you can't just go see a movie whenever you feel like it, because you have a human being to care for. No need to come off as such a dick just because he didn't like the movie.
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12:07PM on 08/29/2012

ok

The Avengers was OK as a movie I'd give it a 7/10 therefore not agreeing with the 8, 8.5 or 9's that we're being given
The Avengers was OK as a movie I'd give it a 7/10 therefore not agreeing with the 8, 8.5 or 9's that we're being given
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12:03PM on 08/29/2012

Good article

i respectfully disagree, but i see the point you are trying to make.

I just wanna touch upon the Hulk thing you mentioned. In none of the movies he was a villain. he was always just an uncontrolable force. And when you put that in a situation with rules and regulations, chaos erupts. In all three movies, the Hulk had been thrown into situations where he is always being chased or controlled. and the Hulk doesnt want that, being the clumsy mess that he is, destruction follows. The difference
i respectfully disagree, but i see the point you are trying to make.

I just wanna touch upon the Hulk thing you mentioned. In none of the movies he was a villain. he was always just an uncontrolable force. And when you put that in a situation with rules and regulations, chaos erupts. In all three movies, the Hulk had been thrown into situations where he is always being chased or controlled. and the Hulk doesnt want that, being the clumsy mess that he is, destruction follows. The difference in the last scene of the Avengers, is that this is the first time they are not controlling The Hulk, they let him do what he wants and he kicks ass. In all movies he has a soft side and only hurts people trying to hurt him. A more controlled Hulk in the the comics would be nice to see on the big screen, but in the film it is still early for Banner, maybe for Avengers 2.
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12:02PM on 08/29/2012
One thing for sure: Marvel pulled off the impossible - making The Avengers movie with same actors from previous movies. That's a big task and the result is very rewarding both for Marvel and audiences.
One thing for sure: Marvel pulled off the impossible - making The Avengers movie with same actors from previous movies. That's a big task and the result is very rewarding both for Marvel and audiences.
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12:59PM on 08/29/2012
"One thing for sure: Marvel pulled off the impossible - making The Avengers movie with same actors from previous movies."

No they didn't.

Who played The Hulk in previous films??
"One thing for sure: Marvel pulled off the impossible - making The Avengers movie with same actors from previous movies."

No they didn't.

Who played The Hulk in previous films??
7:19PM on 08/29/2012
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
8:48PM on 08/29/2012
@Vedhead- Don't be a nitpicker. It's meant to be the same character, and that they do all come together, and it works, is impressive, in and of itself.
@Vedhead- Don't be a nitpicker. It's meant to be the same character, and that they do all come together, and it works, is impressive, in and of itself.
11:55AM on 08/29/2012
In total agreement. Entertaining? Sure. The greatest comic book movie of all-time? NOT EVEN CLOSE! I don't know what movie you guys were watching, but this was more of a heartless cartoon than anything.
In total agreement. Entertaining? Sure. The greatest comic book movie of all-time? NOT EVEN CLOSE! I don't know what movie you guys were watching, but this was more of a heartless cartoon than anything.
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11:53AM on 08/29/2012
Pretty much disagree with every point you made.
Pretty much disagree with every point you made.
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11:53AM on 08/29/2012
While certainly not the best, I do think it was the most fun out of super hero films, and certainly the biggest. I strongly disagree about any of the characters feeling watered down. You go on to say Tony Stark steals the show then say he felt watered down while Captain and Thor were as advertised. I do however agree on the lack of human villain being the films biggest problem. But the issue is trying to create a conflict that would justify needing the Avengers to assemble. The Chitauri just
While certainly not the best, I do think it was the most fun out of super hero films, and certainly the biggest. I strongly disagree about any of the characters feeling watered down. You go on to say Tony Stark steals the show then say he felt watered down while Captain and Thor were as advertised. I do however agree on the lack of human villain being the films biggest problem. But the issue is trying to create a conflict that would justify needing the Avengers to assemble. The Chitauri just never for a second felt like a threat. Faceless, boring and not at all visually impressive. That was my only issue with the film. I thought Loki was terrific; Hulk the best part. The aliens sucked. And im all for aliens, could have been executed better.
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11:53AM on 08/29/2012
Fuck third-best. I even liked GHOST RIDER: SPIRIT OF VENGEANCE more than THE AVENGERS. My biggest problem was with the script. I too don't like Joss Whedon's body of work, including and especially Firefly. His problem is that he makes himself into the biggest character in the film. He even dwarfs Iron Man. By this I mean that he's always inserting some kind of quip or sarcastic comment into the dialogue to constantly remind you that you're watching Whedon. In moderation it's fine. He does it in
Fuck third-best. I even liked GHOST RIDER: SPIRIT OF VENGEANCE more than THE AVENGERS. My biggest problem was with the script. I too don't like Joss Whedon's body of work, including and especially Firefly. His problem is that he makes himself into the biggest character in the film. He even dwarfs Iron Man. By this I mean that he's always inserting some kind of quip or sarcastic comment into the dialogue to constantly remind you that you're watching Whedon. In moderation it's fine. He does it in every scene, which kills the tension and is frankly annoying as fuck.

I didn't hate THE AVENGERS. It was okay. It had some cool moments in its overlong action scenes, but for the most part, the writing really hurt the film for me.
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12:20PM on 08/29/2012
From the article: "With THE AVENGERS, you really wouldn't know it wasn't directed by Joss Whedon if his name wasn't plastered everywhere."

From magjournal's comment: " His problem is that he makes himself into the biggest character in the film.[...] constantly remind you that you're watching Whedon."

I just thought these two opinions looked interesting, because they're so different from one another.
From the article: "With THE AVENGERS, you really wouldn't know it wasn't directed by Joss Whedon if his name wasn't plastered everywhere."

From magjournal's comment: " His problem is that he makes himself into the biggest character in the film.[...] constantly remind you that you're watching Whedon."

I just thought these two opinions looked interesting, because they're so different from one another.
11:51AM on 08/29/2012
I think you make a lot of good points (finally nailing Hulk, Iron Man taking too much focus). And while everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I couldn't disagree with you more about the score. I heard Alan Silvestri's theme once and I got goosebumps. It was stuck in my head for days, the way Danny Elfman's Batman and Spider-Man score were. If you put a gun to my head I wouldn't be able to hum you four notes of The Amazing Spider-Man's score. And with the exception of the reused themes from
I think you make a lot of good points (finally nailing Hulk, Iron Man taking too much focus). And while everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I couldn't disagree with you more about the score. I heard Alan Silvestri's theme once and I got goosebumps. It was stuck in my head for days, the way Danny Elfman's Batman and Spider-Man score were. If you put a gun to my head I wouldn't be able to hum you four notes of The Amazing Spider-Man's score. And with the exception of the reused themes from Batman Begins, none of Hans Zimmer's TDKR score remains with me (unless the chanting counts). I think Alan Silvestri nailed it, and not just with the theme, but with the subtle character cues as well. If anything I think it was one of the film's strengths.
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11:48AM on 08/29/2012

You are nuts, dude.

If you picked apart X2 and The Incredibles (which is not a fair comparison in the first place because it is animated, which allows for much bigger scale where effects are concerned) with the veracity that you went into The Avengers with, you would find just as many flaws with them. You obviously went in not wanting to like it, and have some kind of vendetta against Whedon or his fans, or his dog, or his success, or his voice, or who knows what, but your contempt is obvious.)
If you picked apart X2 and The Incredibles (which is not a fair comparison in the first place because it is animated, which allows for much bigger scale where effects are concerned) with the veracity that you went into The Avengers with, you would find just as many flaws with them. You obviously went in not wanting to like it, and have some kind of vendetta against Whedon or his fans, or his dog, or his success, or his voice, or who knows what, but your contempt is obvious.)
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11:46AM on 08/29/2012
The movie was far from perfect, but I think this article is way wrong. Whedon took 6 movies and gelled them up into a 2 1/2 movie of pure awesome. Lost all respect at the fact you liked THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN better.
The movie was far from perfect, but I think this article is way wrong. Whedon took 6 movies and gelled them up into a 2 1/2 movie of pure awesome. Lost all respect at the fact you liked THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN better.
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11:40AM on 08/29/2012
I enjoyed the film but I do respect your opinion and agree that there are better comic book films out there. Avengers may certainly be the biggest, but the best it is not.
I enjoyed the film but I do respect your opinion and agree that there are better comic book films out there. Avengers may certainly be the biggest, but the best it is not.
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