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06.03.2015

THE UNPOPULAR OPINION is an ongoing column featuring different takes on films that either the writer HATED, but that the majority of film fans LOVED, or that the writer LOVED, but that most others LOATHED. We're hoping this column will promote constructive and geek fueled discussion. Enjoy!

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If there is one character that Marvel Studios needs to give the reboot treatment to, it is THE PUNISHER. With three films featuring Frank Castle taking vigilante justice in his own hands, most fans are still clamoring for a film that does the iconic character justice. There was the shitty Dolph Lundgren film and the mediocre WAR ZONE sequel, but fans still feel strongly about Thomas Jane's performance as the titular antihero in the 2004 version. A decade later, with the Marvel Cinematic Universe in full swing, Marvel Studios has the rights to reboot the character yet again but they shouldn't. In fact, they should make a direct sequel to Jonathan Hensleigh's under-appreciated movie.

Much like the majority of the Marvel-based films of the early 2000s, THE PUNISHER does not fit into a combined cinematic template. Where X-MEN, SPIDER-MAN, HULK, and FANTASTIC FOUR movies all featured their own unique take on what a comic book movie should look like, THE PUNISHER harkened back to a very different style of film that was much more popular and common in the 1970s. Taking a queue from movies like DEATH WISH and DIRTY HARRY, Jonathan Hensleigh's movie has almost no shred of levity or humor and instead wallows in the darkness of the subject matter.

THE PUNISHER is a sadistic and violent movie, just as it should be. The character of Frank Castle does not come from the same world as Tony Stark or Peter Parker, and yet this movie feels just as much a comic book as any other Marvel film to date. In fact, I would put the tone of this film more along the lines of Christopher Nolan's THE DARK KNIGHT or the recent Netflix Daredevil series. The Punisher is a street level hero who uses his military training to aid him in a brutal quest for revenge. With that in mind, the movie is spot on with what it was trying to accomplish. The villains and henchmen all feel like comic book cliches and the women are femme fatales right out of a film noir, but all are put to use the way they should be in a story like this.

The cast may be the strongest part of this movie. Led by Thomas Jane, THE PUNISHER has a cast that, at the time, was pretty impressive for such a low budget affair. John Travolta was still making decent movies in 2004 and chews the scenery in this movie in a way that is directly reminiscent of BROKEN ARROW and FACE/OFF. Rebecca Romjin and Laura Harring are both incredibly sexy and get to do more than just stand around, something many movies in this genre had not done well before this film. But, it is Thomas Jane that truly makes this movie work. I have never heard a complaint about his portrayal of Frank Castle and his follow-up appearance in the bootleg film Dirty Laundry cements that he was perfectly cast in this role.

THE PUNISHER is a hardcore movie that could have easily been a Charles Bronson movie if the characters had different names. Like the fan favorite DREDD, this is a movie that has gained a cult following after it was lambasted when it originally premiered. Like FANTASTIC FOUR, this is a movie that is not trying to be high art but rather a solid comic book movie and it achieves that in spades. Some have complained that the story doesn't make sense, but I find it to be a lean and direct plot without two many twists and turns. This is not a movie that requires layered thinking or ulterior motives. The sole purpose of this film is the same as Frank Castle's: kill everyone and take no prisoners. This is not a forgiving film but that does not make it a bad one.

What may be THE PUNISHER's saving grace is the fact it was not created by Marvel Studios. When Daredevil premiered on Netflix, it represented the most adult and violent comic book adaptation in the MCU. If they were to create THE PUNISHER under that umbrella, it would not be as dark and mean as it needs to be. Frank Castle is not a nice character and THE PUNISHER is not a nice movie. What failed in WAR ZONE was the fact that it tried to go too over the top. THE PUNISHER revels in the practical effects needed for blood splatter and violent kill shots. This is a movie full of hand to hand combat and death, just the way it was meant to be. This is a street level comic book character but by no means is he a hero in the traditional sense. THE PUNISHER is too negative for Marvel Studios and that is why it works.

I firmly believe that Marvel needs characters that are apart from the MCU. There is no reason for Frank Castle to share the screen with characters who could blow him away with their god-like power. THE PUNISHER exemplifies why this kind of story works and it is the same reason GHOST RIDER failed. You cannot make THE PUNISHER in the same way you would IRON MAN or CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER. With all of the darkness lurking in the corners of Marvel, this is not a Disney movie. Jonathan Hensleigh's film has problems and some of them are a product of when it was made and by whom, but that does not count this one out as an enjoyable flick. I would be glad to put THE PUNISHER alongside BLADE as the best of the non-canon Marvel films. Who know, maybe if Disney nuts up enough to try and make a new one, they can bring Thomas Jane along for the ride.

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11:03AM on 06/05/2015
It had some great elements and then some other elements which let the film down. The guitar guy felt way out of place and the big russian guy fight could have worked had it not been for the cooking scene next door. Other than that it had some really good moments and the last shot with Frank on the bridge,with that ambient music sold it for me.
It had some great elements and then some other elements which let the film down. The guitar guy felt way out of place and the big russian guy fight could have worked had it not been for the cooking scene next door. Other than that it had some really good moments and the last shot with Frank on the bridge,with that ambient music sold it for me.
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5:57AM on 06/05/2015
Whoa! It was good but it wasn't THAT good. The scene where Frank Castle's family was killed was a bit over the top: they didn't just kill his wife and kids; they killed his mom and dad, his uncles and aunts and their children and grandchildren.

But after that, yeah, it was brilliantly done. I mean, Frank survives the attack and goes after Travolta. But he doesn't kill Travolta right away: he plants evidence that his wife is having an affair and then Travolota kills his wife. THEN
Whoa! It was good but it wasn't THAT good. The scene where Frank Castle's family was killed was a bit over the top: they didn't just kill his wife and kids; they killed his mom and dad, his uncles and aunts and their children and grandchildren.

But after that, yeah, it was brilliantly done. I mean, Frank survives the attack and goes after Travolta. But he doesn't kill Travolta right away: he plants evidence that his wife is having an affair and then Travolota kills his wife. THEN Castle goes in and tells Travolta that his wife was innocent BUT he still doesn't kill Travolta: he beats him up and ties him to the back off a car and then sends the car down the parking lot where he has set all the cars to explode.

Do you think maybe Frank was upset?

Anyway, yeah, they could have Thomas Jane as the Punisher, Wesley Snipes as Blade and Nicolas Cage as Ghost Rider all cameo on Netflix shows. Their movies weren't that bad and don't need to be redone.
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3:25AM on 06/05/2015
I like it for what it was, a decent low budget action movie. But a true Punisher movie should look like a cross between Rambo First Blood part 2 and the John Woo film Hard Boiled. Plus as good as Thomas Jane was I would like to see someone with real Martial Arts skills play him like Scott Adkins.
I like it for what it was, a decent low budget action movie. But a true Punisher movie should look like a cross between Rambo First Blood part 2 and the John Woo film Hard Boiled. Plus as good as Thomas Jane was I would like to see someone with real Martial Arts skills play him like Scott Adkins.
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7:33PM on 06/04/2015

Meh

Aside from Thomas Jane, who was great in the role, I thought the movie as whole was very mediocre. Weak script, poorly directed, and lousy action scenes. I was really disappointed when I saw in theaters.
Aside from Thomas Jane, who was great in the role, I thought the movie as whole was very mediocre. Weak script, poorly directed, and lousy action scenes. I was really disappointed when I saw in theaters.
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7:31PM on 06/04/2015

One of my favorite Marvel movies

The movie that made me a Punisher fan. The right amount of emotion, brutal violence, and humor.
The movie that made me a Punisher fan. The right amount of emotion, brutal violence, and humor.
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4:15PM on 06/04/2015

Love this movie!

Very reminiscent of 70s films with some of the photography. The whole sequence with the guy who looks like Johnny Cash was great too
Very reminiscent of 70s films with some of the photography. The whole sequence with the guy who looks like Johnny Cash was great too
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7:28PM on 06/04/2015
Oh yeah, that's a great scene too.
Oh yeah, that's a great scene too.
2:12PM on 06/04/2015
To me this is THE Punisher movie. It had substance unlike the other two and some emotion when needed with a satisfying climax. Sure, the neighbors could have been better but I like it for it's down to Earth approach instead of some stupid over the top bs.

I believe this could fit in with Netflix's DareDevil and upcoming Jessica Jones series. Someone make it happen.
To me this is THE Punisher movie. It had substance unlike the other two and some emotion when needed with a satisfying climax. Sure, the neighbors could have been better but I like it for it's down to Earth approach instead of some stupid over the top bs.

I believe this could fit in with Netflix's DareDevil and upcoming Jessica Jones series. Someone make it happen.
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1:19PM on 06/04/2015
The Punisher is a great action film. It is the only Marvel movie with practical effects. I even remember when the movie came out and how Johnathan Hensleigh was adamant of not using CG and making it completely practical to mirror 70's Charles Bronson flicks.

However, one thing I disagree when you said:

"I firmly believe that Marvel needs characters that are apart from the MCU. There is no reason for Frank Castle to share the screen with characters who could blow him away with their
The Punisher is a great action film. It is the only Marvel movie with practical effects. I even remember when the movie came out and how Johnathan Hensleigh was adamant of not using CG and making it completely practical to mirror 70's Charles Bronson flicks.

However, one thing I disagree when you said:

"I firmly believe that Marvel needs characters that are apart from the MCU. There is no reason for Frank Castle to share the screen with characters who could blow him away with their god-like power"

If you look closely, all of the characters that are currently part of the MCU are ALL characters who fight and operate on a large and political scale. Iron Man doesn't fight purse thieves and rapists...he fights evil lords to protect all of humanity. Frank Castle is a battered cop who fights crime. Just like Spider-Man and I find it great that Spidey's joining the MCU - especially with the Civil War storyline; we're beginning to be introduced to the heroes who fight crime on ground level who come together with the heroes who fight on a national and global scale. At the same time, I think it would be nice to have Marvel heroes apart from the MCU BUT, the first Iron Man movie is the only MCU movie to be completely grounded in reality (with no supernatural elements and/or forces) but by the time The Avengers came out, Tony Stark is with a team of other heroes who have something he doesn't - supernatural powers. All in all, I think characters like Frank Castle/The Punisher can easily coexist in the MCU - but, Frank Castle fights local baddies, so we can't assume all the evil being aimed at the world comes from aliens like Thanos or Loki - we should still have our crime fighters who fight on the local level because we need to see what's going on locally as a mirror of the effects of the global crisis going on between superheroes and threats to humanity. Plus, the members of The Avengers have bigger fish to fry.
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12:24PM on 06/04/2015
I recently watched this movie on Netflix about a months or so ago & thought it was pretty decent. Yes it's a Punisher film & rated R, it's dark, gritty & violent. However, some parts just drag on forever & the villain really didn't go crazy until the end. I know the studio interfered quite a bit, so maybe that was the issue & Hensleigh wasn't satisfied with the finished product. Thomas Jane did make an awesome Punisher though & I feel he should play him again if marvel decides to either do a
I recently watched this movie on Netflix about a months or so ago & thought it was pretty decent. Yes it's a Punisher film & rated R, it's dark, gritty & violent. However, some parts just drag on forever & the villain really didn't go crazy until the end. I know the studio interfered quite a bit, so maybe that was the issue & Hensleigh wasn't satisfied with the finished product. Thomas Jane did make an awesome Punisher though & I feel he should play him again if marvel decides to either do a movie or a TV show like Daredevil.
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10:52AM on 06/04/2015

Is this unpopular opinion?

When this movie was released, I was working at a movie theater. The employees got to see it for free the Thursday night before its Friday. Of the 20-ish folks there (including managers), only 2 people did not enjoy it, myself included. Since working there, I have only encountered a small number of people that did not like, it seems to me most audience members either were meh about it or really enjoyed it (excluding movie critics). So, I don't think this is as unpopular an opinion as you
When this movie was released, I was working at a movie theater. The employees got to see it for free the Thursday night before its Friday. Of the 20-ish folks there (including managers), only 2 people did not enjoy it, myself included. Since working there, I have only encountered a small number of people that did not like, it seems to me most audience members either were meh about it or really enjoyed it (excluding movie critics). So, I don't think this is as unpopular an opinion as you think.

With all that being said, I disagree with your assessment in everyway! Travolta, who will still occasionally try even today, is terrible in the movie. I understand why one would enjoy his campy performance, but it does not fit with the rest of the movie in any way, shape, or form; and that always bugged me. Then you have the worst sequence from any comic book movie that is titled "The Dark Knight Rises", in which the serious fight between Punisher and the gay Russian Waldo (I don't know the character's name, nor do I care enough to be bothered to look it up), with the "wacky" (read- annoying as shit and should die) neighbors lip syncing to some peppy song. It ruins the mood and atmosphere, and by feeling so forced (see, we aren't THAT dark and gritty, here are wacky shennigans!), it just reeks of inorganic storytelling- like they couldn't find a proper way to bring levity so they had to stop the movie cold.

On top of that, everything seemed to easy for our main character. However, with all the those issues, I do think Thomas Jane gives the best performance of all three actors that have portrayed the character on the big screen. He's great, and I wish we could put him in "War Zone" (Stevenson is perfectly acceptable, but nothing beyond that), because that movie is awesome.
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10:38AM on 06/04/2015
I've always liked this movie. It's the only Punisher movie to get the tone and characterization right. Personally, I think the movie falls firmly in the same PG-13 realm as Daredevil (on Netflix). I think it would be a wise move for Marvel to bring Thomas Jane back as Frank Castle and introduce him to the MCU through Daredevil. The violence on Daredevil was more or less on par with The Punisher, so I think Marvel could pull it off.
I've always liked this movie. It's the only Punisher movie to get the tone and characterization right. Personally, I think the movie falls firmly in the same PG-13 realm as Daredevil (on Netflix). I think it would be a wise move for Marvel to bring Thomas Jane back as Frank Castle and introduce him to the MCU through Daredevil. The violence on Daredevil was more or less on par with The Punisher, so I think Marvel could pull it off.
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10:31AM on 06/04/2015

Mediocre movie at best

I disagree that at the time, Travolta was still making decent films: it was 4 years after Battlefield Earth and his decline was very much in full swing. By the time the film was in theater, his villain shtick was already tired and repetitive.

As for Thomas Jane, I like him as an actor but he is not how I imagined Frank Castle. In the comics, Castle always skirts the line between hero and villain but the film's version make him look a lot more like a typical film hero than the comic ever did.
I disagree that at the time, Travolta was still making decent films: it was 4 years after Battlefield Earth and his decline was very much in full swing. By the time the film was in theater, his villain shtick was already tired and repetitive.

As for Thomas Jane, I like him as an actor but he is not how I imagined Frank Castle. In the comics, Castle always skirts the line between hero and villain but the film's version make him look a lot more like a typical film hero than the comic ever did. In comics, clashes between Castle and heroes like Daredevil, Captain America and Spider-man are frequent but I see this version of the character getting along with them just fine; heck, he'd probably stop his violent ways if he had the chance to talk to them.

This and the casting of Rebecca Romjin as Joan the Mouse pretty much illustrates my issue with this film: it's the Hollywood sanitized version of a much grittier character. A Punisher film would need to be much darker than Nolan's Batman to really work. It would probably be the only "superhero" Tarantino could do justice to.
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10:27AM on 06/04/2015
6/10.
6/10.
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9:45AM on 06/04/2015
I re-watched this recently and I still like the movie a lot. Thomas Jane's performance is great. What I liked about the film was a commitment to Castle's life, with this sour menacing revenge driven vigilante connecting with his neighbors and affecting them. The epic fight scene with the Russian was gruesome yet marvelously entertaining.
I re-watched this recently and I still like the movie a lot. Thomas Jane's performance is great. What I liked about the film was a commitment to Castle's life, with this sour menacing revenge driven vigilante connecting with his neighbors and affecting them. The epic fight scene with the Russian was gruesome yet marvelously entertaining.
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7:47AM on 06/04/2015
I loved this movie. Not only did I think they nail the ambiance, the story of revenge was clever and spot on. IMO, it kicked ass and it was awesome to see Jane back for Dirty Laundry!
I loved this movie. Not only did I think they nail the ambiance, the story of revenge was clever and spot on. IMO, it kicked ass and it was awesome to see Jane back for Dirty Laundry!
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7:20AM on 06/04/2015

Great flick

I've never understood the dislike for this movie. Thomas Jane *owned* the character. Why couldn't Marvel insert a cameo of The Punisher (using Thomas Jane) into a flick? Just throw a bone at the fans....for the $100,000 Jane could ask for a 5 minute cameo, the studio would make millions more in ticket sales when word gets out. Doesn't have to be a whole movie...just flesh out the MCU a little!

P.S. Look up "Dirty Laundry" with Thomas Jane and Ron Perlman. Awesome!
I've never understood the dislike for this movie. Thomas Jane *owned* the character. Why couldn't Marvel insert a cameo of The Punisher (using Thomas Jane) into a flick? Just throw a bone at the fans....for the $100,000 Jane could ask for a 5 minute cameo, the studio would make millions more in ticket sales when word gets out. Doesn't have to be a whole movie...just flesh out the MCU a little!

P.S. Look up "Dirty Laundry" with Thomas Jane and Ron Perlman. Awesome!
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7:43AM on 06/04/2015
That Dirty Laundry short alone could actually be the pilot for any would-be The Punisher series. I'd be hooked if it's an actual Pilot episode.
That Dirty Laundry short alone could actually be the pilot for any would-be The Punisher series. I'd be hooked if it's an actual Pilot episode.
5:32AM on 06/04/2015
I don't get the hate for this movie. Sure, it's not the best Marvel Comics movie but it's a damn entertaining action movie in the vein of Death Wish. Various action scenes were well done especially The Punisher vs. The Russian. Great scene. John Travolta was pretty entertaining. But the best thing about this movie is Thomas Jane. He's the perfect Frank Castle - smart, cunning, violent all in one. For me, it's Jane's best role.
I don't get the hate for this movie. Sure, it's not the best Marvel Comics movie but it's a damn entertaining action movie in the vein of Death Wish. Various action scenes were well done especially The Punisher vs. The Russian. Great scene. John Travolta was pretty entertaining. But the best thing about this movie is Thomas Jane. He's the perfect Frank Castle - smart, cunning, violent all in one. For me, it's Jane's best role.
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5:26AM on 06/04/2015
I agree with another.... the best thing about this movie was brutal the fight with the Russian. The brutal death of his family was also staged well. The rest ...well the rest was very very meh. You give this movie far too much credit. Jane knows it wasn't very good ...that's why we got the amazing Dirty Laundry short... brutal...brutal like Man on Fire, a movie that came out in the same year as Punisher...and is what Punisher should have been. If I was Marvel I'd make Dirty Laundry a micro
I agree with another.... the best thing about this movie was brutal the fight with the Russian. The brutal death of his family was also staged well. The rest ...well the rest was very very meh. You give this movie far too much credit. Jane knows it wasn't very good ...that's why we got the amazing Dirty Laundry short... brutal...brutal like Man on Fire, a movie that came out in the same year as Punisher...and is what Punisher should have been. If I was Marvel I'd make Dirty Laundry a micro pilot for a planned Netflix series..only if they keep that same level of intensity it had.

As for that shitty Dolph Lundgren film, granted, it had its faults and it's also been a very long since I've seen it but I've seen it twice and enjoyed it both times - the tone of that movie is spot on - very sombre and right down to his promise to the gangster child that if he turns out like his father, he'll be back for him.
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3:20AM on 06/04/2015
While I love Jane and love his enthusiasm for the character, this movie was not good. First and most importantly, they fucking located and filmed this in Tampa Bay if I remember it right. The city was as much a character in the Punisher books as any other main character. Moving the locale from the gritty streets of the NY boroughs changed the tone of the character in my eyes. Seeing crustal blue Caribbean waters in shots made me shake my head. Maybe its just me but it hurt the movie. The one
While I love Jane and love his enthusiasm for the character, this movie was not good. First and most importantly, they fucking located and filmed this in Tampa Bay if I remember it right. The city was as much a character in the Punisher books as any other main character. Moving the locale from the gritty streets of the NY boroughs changed the tone of the character in my eyes. Seeing crustal blue Caribbean waters in shots made me shake my head. Maybe its just me but it hurt the movie. The one solid thing in this movie, as @justjoe mentioned, was the fight with The Russian. Kevin Nash was imposing as fuck in it and the fight was one of the more believable comic book fights ever on screen. This of course might have something to do with the fact that Jane actually stabbed Nash for real during the fight. I'd welcome Jane back in the role, but only if done with the attention to detail most Marvel studios movies typically have.
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1:37AM on 06/04/2015
The only good things from this movies: Thomas Jane and the fight with the Rusian. Otherwise just a forgettable B-movie with lame Action Scenes, hammy Performances, an unnecessary complicated plot and the wrong Setting. Sorry, but Lundgrens "shitty" film blows this one out of the water.
The only good things from this movies: Thomas Jane and the fight with the Rusian. Otherwise just a forgettable B-movie with lame Action Scenes, hammy Performances, an unnecessary complicated plot and the wrong Setting. Sorry, but Lundgrens "shitty" film blows this one out of the water.
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1:16AM on 06/04/2015
One of my more personal favorite comic book films. Great story and smart, bloody, violent action with a terrific performance from Thomas Jane who IS Frank Castle. If Marvel were smart (which they are) they would not reboot the character (again) and just continue from where Jane's film left off from and go from there. I mean, the Dirty Laundry short was terrific and proves that Jane is still up and enthusiastic for playing the part. They could easily go in the direction of signing Jane to
One of my more personal favorite comic book films. Great story and smart, bloody, violent action with a terrific performance from Thomas Jane who IS Frank Castle. If Marvel were smart (which they are) they would not reboot the character (again) and just continue from where Jane's film left off from and go from there. I mean, the Dirty Laundry short was terrific and proves that Jane is still up and enthusiastic for playing the part. They could easily go in the direction of signing Jane to reprise the role and giving the character his own dark, gritty series on Netflix (like they have done successfully with Daredevil).

I was always disappointed we never got a sequel to this version, but got a shitty over the top version instead.
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5:34AM on 06/04/2015
I think with the success of Netflix's Daredevil, I sure hope Marvel would consider The Punisher as a TV series. Daredevil was a surprise hit and I'm sure The Punisher can use the same formula that makes Daredevil TV series works.
I think with the success of Netflix's Daredevil, I sure hope Marvel would consider The Punisher as a TV series. Daredevil was a surprise hit and I'm sure The Punisher can use the same formula that makes Daredevil TV series works.
11:52PM on 06/03/2015
There's quite frankly a better film to be made. The one's okay but the charecter deserves better.

What they really need to have is Punisher cameo in Civil War, having the same scenes he did in the comic. A brief but perfect introduction to the charecter. Get Tom Hardy to play him If he want's to do it. Best of all don't tell anyone he's going to be in it. Make it a nice little out of noware appearence.
There's quite frankly a better film to be made. The one's okay but the charecter deserves better.

What they really need to have is Punisher cameo in Civil War, having the same scenes he did in the comic. A brief but perfect introduction to the charecter. Get Tom Hardy to play him If he want's to do it. Best of all don't tell anyone he's going to be in it. Make it a nice little out of noware appearence.
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