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What the hell? Alice in Wonderland about to cross $1 billion

05.26.2010

Best known as "the movie that turned me off from upconverted 3D forever," Tim Burton's ALICE IN WONDERLAND is about to cross the $1 BILLION threshold worldwide. What the...?

I knew the film did well here (it made $332M), but it put up HUGE numbers overseas, hauling in $667M, bringing it to a plateau that only five other movies have ever reached (AVATAR, TITANIC, LOTR:ROTK, THE DARK KNIGHT, PIRATES: DEAD MAN’S CHEST).

I'd say bravo for Burton and the studio on the accomplishment, but f*ck that. ALICE to me was everything that’s wrong with modern movies. It was a hackjob on a classic story from a director that USED to be original and creative. He tried to make it dark and edgy, but it was all just pretty pointless, and all the while it was milking the audience for cash with a sloppy, half-assed 3D conversion, without which it wouldn't have gotten anywhere near these numbers. Of all the movies that should cross a billion, this is by far the least deserving.

And you know what this means. Any movie that makes that much money is bound to get a sequel (outside of TITANIC for obvious reasons, but even that’s getting a 3D conversion), so I’m sure we’ll see some other poorly conceived ALICE story in the coming years. Oh boy.

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Extra Tidbit: The movie's one redeeming piece was Helena Bonham Carter's Red Queen.
Source: THR

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9:51AM on 05/29/2010

it was alright

the 3d was god awefull, but in 2d it was ok.
the 3d was god awefull, but in 2d it was ok.
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10:52PM on 05/27/2010

DUH

Just wanted to say Tassi, I agree on every point! wasted my money seeing this in 3D. but I thought Burton,Depp, how could it go wrong? boy did it! but I do disagree on the red queen,I hated her, enjoyed tweedledee and tweedledum much more. At least James Cameron apologized for this 3D madness! LOL
Just wanted to say Tassi, I agree on every point! wasted my money seeing this in 3D. but I thought Burton,Depp, how could it go wrong? boy did it! but I do disagree on the red queen,I hated her, enjoyed tweedledee and tweedledum much more. At least James Cameron apologized for this 3D madness! LOL
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1:34PM on 05/27/2010

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Please stop hating on the writers. It seems like every time a writer inserts his/her opinions into an article, there's always a backlash of negative comments and general douchebaggery. GIVE IT A REST. I've been coming to this site for nearly 10 years, and JoBlo.com has ALWAYS been an opinionated, funny news site. It's the reason I keep coming back. If this site stopped being opinionated, I wouldn't be a fan anymore. So let's calm down, respect each other, and move on. Yes?
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11:20AM on 05/27/2010

ALICE WAS COOL!

I thought ALICE was pretty ok, not as bad as people are claiming it was, but also not as good as many people, including me, were expecting, but overall ok, I think it's cool that it made all the money it did but if bad word of mouth got it 1 billion world wide imagine if it would have gotten good reviews...
I thought ALICE was pretty ok, not as bad as people are claiming it was, but also not as good as many people, including me, were expecting, but overall ok, I think it's cool that it made all the money it did but if bad word of mouth got it 1 billion world wide imagine if it would have gotten good reviews...
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10:41AM on 05/27/2010
It was a thoroughly disappointing movie... Undeserved success all the way. I didn't pay for it.
It was a thoroughly disappointing movie... Undeserved success all the way. I didn't pay for it.
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8:13AM on 05/27/2010

i still havent seen it...

it might find it's way on my netflix queue....it might not....
it might find it's way on my netflix queue....it might not....
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7:32AM on 05/27/2010
I thought Crispin Glover was pretty good..
I thought Crispin Glover was pretty good..
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11:45PM on 05/26/2010
Yeah, pretty dissapointing that the one billion dollar club will be tainted by this ugly, messy glop of film.
Now this is a film that can be said made its extra cash from 3D! At least Avatar had the common decency to do 3D right. Alice was a mess.
Take your 3D blood money and retire Burton!
Yeah, pretty dissapointing that the one billion dollar club will be tainted by this ugly, messy glop of film.
Now this is a film that can be said made its extra cash from 3D! At least Avatar had the common decency to do 3D right. Alice was a mess.
Take your 3D blood money and retire Burton!
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10:50PM on 05/26/2010
I am so glad I didn't contribute to this $1 billion insanity! I don't plan on seeing this in my life-time. I really wish you didn't post this I would of insisted never to know that it make it to this $1 billion mile-stone.
I am so glad I didn't contribute to this $1 billion insanity! I don't plan on seeing this in my life-time. I really wish you didn't post this I would of insisted never to know that it make it to this $1 billion mile-stone.
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9:57PM on 05/26/2010

Helena's Red Queen..

I'm 100% agreed with the extra tidbit. The Red Queen was the one and only part of this movie that I enjoyed watching. I love the tale of Alice, Johnny Depp is great, Burton used to be original. But this movie was GARBAGE.

So was the 3d...
I'm 100% agreed with the extra tidbit. The Red Queen was the one and only part of this movie that I enjoyed watching. I love the tale of Alice, Johnny Depp is great, Burton used to be original. But this movie was GARBAGE.

So was the 3d...
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9:17PM on 05/26/2010

I love Burton but...

...I saw this movie recently and was EMBARRASSED for him and Depp. Felt like a "sell-out" job if I ever saw one. Too much CGI, too much crap...stupid story (after the first 30 minutes at least). I can't believe this movie made $1 BILLION worldwide! The worst part is that this will likely convince other studios to KEEP MAKING such dreck...
...I saw this movie recently and was EMBARRASSED for him and Depp. Felt like a "sell-out" job if I ever saw one. Too much CGI, too much crap...stupid story (after the first 30 minutes at least). I can't believe this movie made $1 BILLION worldwide! The worst part is that this will likely convince other studios to KEEP MAKING such dreck...
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8:36PM on 05/26/2010
Makes one wonder what the total gross would have been if AiW had not been in 3D and theaters were not charging those higher prices for tickets.
Makes one wonder what the total gross would have been if AiW had not been in 3D and theaters were not charging those higher prices for tickets.
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8:21PM on 05/26/2010
Alice was ok, not one of Burton's best but certainly not the crap some people make it out to be. I'd take it over Marmaduke, Alvin, furry vengence any day. Also, do people realize the concept of inflation. I know people don't like to mention it, but that is because the studios like to advertise "Number one movie in the world" after the first week to attract customers. It is a marketing gimmick and nothing more. Crap movies will make a ton of cash (Transformers 2, Twilight), and amazing
Alice was ok, not one of Burton's best but certainly not the crap some people make it out to be. I'd take it over Marmaduke, Alvin, furry vengence any day. Also, do people realize the concept of inflation. I know people don't like to mention it, but that is because the studios like to advertise "Number one movie in the world" after the first week to attract customers. It is a marketing gimmick and nothing more. Crap movies will make a ton of cash (Transformers 2, Twilight), and amazing smaller films will barely make back there budget. I don't give a damn how much money a film makes, if I enjoy than to hell with what the everybody else is paying for. Avatar and Alice may have made a lot of money, but they aren't anywhere near my favorites.
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8:17PM on 05/26/2010
This film was entertaining. Far better than Dead Man's Chest, though not nearly as good as I had hoped for.

Still, Johnny Depp's blockbusters pull in huge audiences. Nothing surprising here. I seriously doubt 3D is why this film did so good.

Depp + Burton + Beloved Classic story = $$$$$$$
I would have been surprised if it didn't cross the $1billion mark worldwide.
This film was entertaining. Far better than Dead Man's Chest, though not nearly as good as I had hoped for.

Still, Johnny Depp's blockbusters pull in huge audiences. Nothing surprising here. I seriously doubt 3D is why this film did so good.

Depp + Burton + Beloved Classic story = $$$$$$$
I would have been surprised if it didn't cross the $1billion mark worldwide.
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7:27PM on 05/26/2010

I skipped it

When I seen the trailer for it with the IMAX showing of Avatar, it looked horrible. I know people talked crap on avatar, but do really think this film really was as entertaining?
When I seen the trailer for it with the IMAX showing of Avatar, it looked horrible. I know people talked crap on avatar, but do really think this film really was as entertaining?
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7:31PM on 05/26/2010
This film is worse in every imaginable way.
This film is worse in every imaginable way.
6:29PM on 05/26/2010
Alice in Wonderland was one of my favorite movies so far this year, however, I agree, the 3-D conversion was garbage, it dimmed the images and ruined the clarity among other things. I can't wait to see it on blu-ray in 2-D where it will look a million times better. My favorite part of the movie was Alice. I'm a fan of that actress from In Treatment and she was also in a pretty good zombie short film called "I Love Sarah Jane". I hope to see her in more movies.
Alice in Wonderland was one of my favorite movies so far this year, however, I agree, the 3-D conversion was garbage, it dimmed the images and ruined the clarity among other things. I can't wait to see it on blu-ray in 2-D where it will look a million times better. My favorite part of the movie was Alice. I'm a fan of that actress from In Treatment and she was also in a pretty good zombie short film called "I Love Sarah Jane". I hope to see her in more movies.
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6:18PM on 05/26/2010
The movie looked lame anyway.
The movie looked lame anyway.
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5:52PM on 05/26/2010

3D Dont Matter

Alice was a fun movie, that aside. Clash bombed and Shrek4 is doing horrible. 3D really dont mean anything after all. Iron Man 2 is blazing away. Stop hatin
Alice was a fun movie, that aside. Clash bombed and Shrek4 is doing horrible. 3D really dont mean anything after all. Iron Man 2 is blazing away. Stop hatin
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7:09PM on 05/26/2010
"Clash" made nearly half a billion dollars - hardly a bomb.
"Clash" made nearly half a billion dollars - hardly a bomb.
7:30PM on 05/26/2010
Clash of the Titans is doing great actually. Where are you getting your info?

And what does Shrek and Clash's box offices number have to do with how this POS did, and why it didn't deserve it?

And yes, 3D matters! The $5 surcharge adds soo much to the numbers, and IM2 is doing good for being a great sequel to a great movie.

Learn your box office numbers and come back.
Clash of the Titans is doing great actually. Where are you getting your info?

And what does Shrek and Clash's box offices number have to do with how this POS did, and why it didn't deserve it?

And yes, 3D matters! The $5 surcharge adds soo much to the numbers, and IM2 is doing good for being a great sequel to a great movie.

Learn your box office numbers and come back.
7:45PM on 05/26/2010
@ filmguy450- So your saying Avatar made most of its money via 3D, and wouldn't be the highest grossing movie of all time if it wasn't for yhe $5 addition charge...Cuz I agree.... I saw Avatar once, and it won't get anymore of my money, the rental was enough...
@ filmguy450- So your saying Avatar made most of its money via 3D, and wouldn't be the highest grossing movie of all time if it wasn't for yhe $5 addition charge...Cuz I agree.... I saw Avatar once, and it won't get anymore of my money, the rental was enough...
7:49PM on 05/26/2010
filmguy450, clash made a bit less then shutter island in the US. And did i mention shrek4 is a dud just about? you help my point by saying iron man 2 is doing well, becuase it shows most ppl want quality not gimmicks. 3d is a gimmick
filmguy450, clash made a bit less then shutter island in the US. And did i mention shrek4 is a dud just about? you help my point by saying iron man 2 is doing well, becuase it shows most ppl want quality not gimmicks. 3d is a gimmick
7:52PM on 05/26/2010
*clash made a bit more
*clash made a bit more
8:25PM on 05/26/2010
@Freddyrich, if Avatar only made all of its money through 3D, then why did it shatter bluray & DVD sales records? No 3D, yet it still broke records in those markets.
@Freddyrich, if Avatar only made all of its money through 3D, then why did it shatter bluray & DVD sales records? No 3D, yet it still broke records in those markets.
9:15PM on 05/26/2010
Strictly going off of American box office numbers, as reported by Box Office Mojo, Shutter Island, which is CONSIDER A HIT and is Scoresse's biggest box office film to date, and is considered a hit, made $127,603,947, while the new Clash of the Titans made $161,039,210, and the difference between to two isn't 'a bit', it's 33,436,263. That's a little over 33 million more.

Also, I was merely taking contention with the fact that you said Clash bombed. It's consider an immense hit, and is one
Strictly going off of American box office numbers, as reported by Box Office Mojo, Shutter Island, which is CONSIDER A HIT and is Scoresse's biggest box office film to date, and is considered a hit, made $127,603,947, while the new Clash of the Titans made $161,039,210, and the difference between to two isn't 'a bit', it's 33,436,263. That's a little over 33 million more.

Also, I was merely taking contention with the fact that you said Clash bombed. It's consider an immense hit, and is one of the year's highest grossing films so far. That's where my issue with your statement comes from, because saying it's bombed is not only BS, but a total freaking lie! So please, do all your research before you say something else.

Yes, the new Shrek film is considered a disappointment, with it only making 71 million. Yay, that's a decent amount, and if this were the first film in the franchise, would have been considered a huge success, but it's the last, and it's only a disappointment when compared to it's predecessors which all made over 100 million. So, those two examples FAIL at meaning what you'd like them to.

I do believe the higher ticket costs of 3D films are why so many of them are doing so well. Although, with "Avatar", it's a bit different, imo, but if it weren't in 3D, I do not think it would have become the highest grossing film ever (not counting for inflation), but maybe it would have gotten in the top ten, as I know some friends that saw it several times in theaters. People just kept seeing it, so it would have been a hit either way, just not as big of one.

3D does mean something, because are you really going to tell me that Burton's Alice would have made as much money if in 2D? The theater here only had it 3D, so think about that!
9:30PM on 05/26/2010
fimguy450. this aint 1990, a successfull film now seems to start with breaking the 200mill barrier, fine its a hit but thtas not my point. theres no big gap in 3d vs 2d movies. and get real if u think 30mill is a real amount in movie money. Also a 100+mill opening is the new 70mill opeing. I did enough research please learn simple math and look at recent numbers before making any false assumptions like not doing research.
fimguy450. this aint 1990, a successfull film now seems to start with breaking the 200mill barrier, fine its a hit but thtas not my point. theres no big gap in 3d vs 2d movies. and get real if u think 30mill is a real amount in movie money. Also a 100+mill opening is the new 70mill opeing. I did enough research please learn simple math and look at recent numbers before making any false assumptions like not doing research.
12:05AM on 05/27/2010
Where did the $200 mil barrier come from? That is an arbitrary figure you made up, just because it serves your purpose right now.

There is a big gap between the 2D and 3D, but you only cited a movie that was in 2D that was destined to make a gazllion dollars in Iron Man 2. Of course that was going to be a hit, so that's an awful example of a 2D film doing really well.

30 mil is plenty. Let's look at 'MacGruber', it made (roughly) $4 mill, and was considered a bomb. But if we add the very
Where did the $200 mil barrier come from? That is an arbitrary figure you made up, just because it serves your purpose right now.

There is a big gap between the 2D and 3D, but you only cited a movie that was in 2D that was destined to make a gazllion dollars in Iron Man 2. Of course that was going to be a hit, so that's an awful example of a 2D film doing really well.

30 mil is plenty. Let's look at 'MacGruber', it made (roughly) $4 mill, and was considered a bomb. But if we add the very slight amount (in your terms) of $30 mil, it made $34 mil, which is a little over triple the budget (a reported $10 mil), and while not a massive success, would have still been considered a hit and a moneymaker, thus you are flat out wrong in your ideology here.

Now, if you could please explain how I need to do math and research when you are the one with the wrong numbers and figures. If you could tell me that, I'd be happy. But I'd prefer if you'd stop being a moron and just let it die, knowing that your statement about "Clash" bombing, is 100% hardcore fact, dead fucking wrong. And if it did bomb as you say, then why the hell did they greenlight a sequel? Awful peculiar, eh?

And yes, Shrek 4 was a disappointment, but is not doing horrible as you say. Also, for the another $30 mil experiment, let's shave it off from the latest Shrek's haul, thus making it 41 mil, which is MUCH worse.

So, either way you splice it, you are wrong. "Clash Of The Titans" did not bomb. "Shrek 4" is doing poorly, and is considered a disappointment, but it's not doing horribly, as you insist.

Thanks for making me laugh so damn much! Your general lack of knowledge, your arbitrary system of numbers, and your utter stupidity, and the fact that your so convinced that you are right, when the FACTS STATE YOU ARE WRONG have been quite hilarious to me, thank you!
12:16AM on 05/27/2010
filmguy, you needn't bother. hkamania is unable to support his incorrect statement and is now trying to rationalize it, and will continue to do so, so afraid is he of being proven wrong again.
filmguy, you needn't bother. hkamania is unable to support his incorrect statement and is now trying to rationalize it, and will continue to do so, so afraid is he of being proven wrong again.
12:32AM on 05/27/2010
Keep trolling donna, and filmguy450, clearly u missed the topic "3D dont matter" clash was rotten on RT and so was Alice. Pll dont rush to a movie because its 3D ie, 3D dont Matter. go troll some place else u ignorant ppl. SCORE BOARD is what matters, not a budget, not cost vs gross. thats what this post was. thx for wasting ur time on it (insert stupid smile ascii here)
Keep trolling donna, and filmguy450, clearly u missed the topic "3D dont matter" clash was rotten on RT and so was Alice. Pll dont rush to a movie because its 3D ie, 3D dont Matter. go troll some place else u ignorant ppl. SCORE BOARD is what matters, not a budget, not cost vs gross. thats what this post was. thx for wasting ur time on it (insert stupid smile ascii here)
12:58AM on 05/27/2010
oh and donna, a movie can be a hit and a failure. I acknoleged that. See superman returns. A critcal, fincial success but still rulled a failure, again next time stick to the post on the topic and remeber to look before u leap
oh and donna, a movie can be a hit and a failure. I acknoleged that. See superman returns. A critcal, fincial success but still rulled a failure, again next time stick to the post on the topic and remeber to look before u leap
3:40AM on 05/27/2010
Since when did this become about a movie's Tomato-meter Freshness score? It was never about that.

Also, 3D means a lot more than you are giving it credit for, and if you have some kids, and they really want to see X-movie because it's in 3D, that will happen; I live with a young child, and will state with 100% accuracy, that does happen. Kids love this gimmick. To be fair though, I'm exaggerating how much of a difference it does make for added effect.

However, all of this is beside the point
Since when did this become about a movie's Tomato-meter Freshness score? It was never about that.

Also, 3D means a lot more than you are giving it credit for, and if you have some kids, and they really want to see X-movie because it's in 3D, that will happen; I live with a young child, and will state with 100% accuracy, that does happen. Kids love this gimmick. To be fair though, I'm exaggerating how much of a difference it does make for added effect.

However, all of this is beside the point of my original reply to your post- you stated that "Clash Of The Titans" bombed, and that's not only wrong, but your insistence at saying such, and FAILURE TO PROVE it was at all (because you can't argue with the facts, and it clearly wasn't) is baffling to me.

And to let you know, cost vs. gross is what determines a hit. Standard rule in Hollywood is that if the movie made back twice as much as it cost, it's a decent success, three times, pretty good hit, and anything above that is excellent, so my MacGruber example stands as 100% on bloody topic.

Also, going by the scoreboard (as you call it) and not by your ridiculously dumb "It must hit $200 mil: thing, "Clash Of The Titans" was still a goddamn hit!

I'm not trying to troll, but your insistence at being soo wrong about such a thing that is soo obvious, especially when the information is freely available is just stupidly absurd. You said "Clash" bombed, it clearly did not; it's made an buttload of cash, and was so profitable, that a sequel is being made- that don't do that sort of thing on a bombed film (ie "The Golden Compass").

You then stated that "Shrek Forever After" did horribly. Again, not true. Simply compared to the other three, it did poorly, but again, poorly vs. horribly is a huge difference. It did not do as well as expected, but it did do decently. And that's the point I have been making ad nauseam here, and it's clearly a point you are failing to get any grasp on.

YOU STATED TWO INCORRECT AND FALSE THINGS!

Got it now?
4:57PM on 05/26/2010

Looking Glass Wars

Burton and Depp should have grabbed the option based on "The Looking Glass Wars" series. It's dark and macabre enough for Burton and still allow Depp to kick some major ass as Hatter Madigan.
Burton and Depp should have grabbed the option based on "The Looking Glass Wars" series. It's dark and macabre enough for Burton and still allow Depp to kick some major ass as Hatter Madigan.
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9:08AM on 05/27/2010
Now that the Burton/Depp Alice has done so well we probably won't see anyone attempting a major project in wonderland anytime soon. I'd love to see it happen though.
Now that the Burton/Depp Alice has done so well we probably won't see anyone attempting a major project in wonderland anytime soon. I'd love to see it happen though.
4:45PM on 05/26/2010
Alice In Wonderland was a Masterpiece in my opinion. Great movie, story, characters, and cinematography. Burton did a great job and so did the rest of the cast. Made me feel like a kid again and all of the haters who hate it can go cry in a corner because this movie made a billion dollars. Get over yourselves, all of you.
Alice In Wonderland was a Masterpiece in my opinion. Great movie, story, characters, and cinematography. Burton did a great job and so did the rest of the cast. Made me feel like a kid again and all of the haters who hate it can go cry in a corner because this movie made a billion dollars. Get over yourselves, all of you.
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5:00PM on 05/26/2010
I really enjoyed Alice In Wonderland, but I think it's far from a masterpiece.
I really enjoyed Alice In Wonderland, but I think it's far from a masterpiece.
7:28PM on 05/26/2010
Hahaha! Soloist, on every comment section i see you post, you become more of a joke to me.

A 'masterpiece'? Really? You'd put it up there with Cinema Paradiso, Casablanca, and Easy Rider (all of which are considered masterpieces, whether or not you like them). That's just too funny for words. Congratulations on being wrong, as usual. The movie had truly terrible CGI effects,the 3D was lousy, Helen Bonham Carter and Johnny Depp acted as if in an entirely different film (no really, they're like
Hahaha! Soloist, on every comment section i see you post, you become more of a joke to me.

A 'masterpiece'? Really? You'd put it up there with Cinema Paradiso, Casablanca, and Easy Rider (all of which are considered masterpieces, whether or not you like them). That's just too funny for words. Congratulations on being wrong, as usual. The movie had truly terrible CGI effects,the 3D was lousy, Helen Bonham Carter and Johnny Depp acted as if in an entirely different film (no really, they're like out of some sort of farce whereas everyone else is ultra serious), etc.

Yay for being wrong!
9:55PM on 05/26/2010
masterpiece? =[
masterpiece? =[
4:39PM on 05/26/2010

fuck this movie

glad to see the writer of this article shares my opinion. worthless film.
glad to see the writer of this article shares my opinion. worthless film.
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4:16PM on 05/26/2010
This is a world where "Avatar" was a humongous hit. I'm not surprised.
This is a world where "Avatar" was a humongous hit. I'm not surprised.
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7:24PM on 05/26/2010
But "avatar" is a 10000000000000 times better than this dreck.
But "avatar" is a 10000000000000 times better than this dreck.
8:30PM on 05/26/2010
Avatar was by far one of the best films of 2009 (and one of the best adventure films of the past decade). Alice is by far not the best film of 2010.
Avatar was by far one of the best films of 2009 (and one of the best adventure films of the past decade). Alice is by far not the best film of 2010.
4:11PM on 05/26/2010

The World's Gone Mad...

Really? $1 Billion? For this? And I thought American markets were crazy...

And as for the opinionated article, that's the fun of the site, IMO. If you want dry reporting, go to IMDB. If you want a report on the news with a movie geek's opinion interwoven in, stay here. He's dead on the money here. Burton has always relied on adaptations, but lately it's become more of a joke than anything else and I don't think this movie deserves $1 Billion and we didn't deserve this film from what used to
Really? $1 Billion? For this? And I thought American markets were crazy...

And as for the opinionated article, that's the fun of the site, IMO. If you want dry reporting, go to IMDB. If you want a report on the news with a movie geek's opinion interwoven in, stay here. He's dead on the money here. Burton has always relied on adaptations, but lately it's become more of a joke than anything else and I don't think this movie deserves $1 Billion and we didn't deserve this film from what used to be one of the few "good guy" directors out there.
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7:23PM on 05/26/2010
Exactly!
Exactly!
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3:44PM on 05/26/2010

people sure do love Johnny Depp

he starred in 2/5 movies to reach a billion.

he needs to star in a James Cameron adaptation of some superhero/fantasy. it'll make a gajillion dollars
he starred in 2/5 movies to reach a billion.

he needs to star in a James Cameron adaptation of some superhero/fantasy. it'll make a gajillion dollars
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4:04PM on 05/26/2010
Who else votes for Johnny Depp as The Riddler in the 3rd Nolan Batman film?! :)
Who else votes for Johnny Depp as The Riddler in the 3rd Nolan Batman film?! :)
3:33PM on 05/26/2010
Its just a wild shot in the dark but I am pretty sure the movie isn't aimed at the majority of subscribers/authors of the articles on this site so to have one person just penning an article based more on their opinion of the movie with very little movie 'news' once again diminishes my interest in this site. Thankfully there are just as many entertaining site contributors as there are hacks on here so it sweetens the pill to an extent but its getting harder and harder on here.

But I do agree
Its just a wild shot in the dark but I am pretty sure the movie isn't aimed at the majority of subscribers/authors of the articles on this site so to have one person just penning an article based more on their opinion of the movie with very little movie 'news' once again diminishes my interest in this site. Thankfully there are just as many entertaining site contributors as there are hacks on here so it sweetens the pill to an extent but its getting harder and harder on here.

But I do agree that Burton has lost a lot of originality that drew me to him initially. Beetlejuice is the single most entertainingly original movie I think he has done so far.
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7:22PM on 05/26/2010
This movie was aimed at everyone! Who the fuck do you think it was for?

It's a Burton directed, fantasy, with action. Who should that be aimed at?

Damn fool!
This movie was aimed at everyone! Who the fuck do you think it was for?

It's a Burton directed, fantasy, with action. Who should that be aimed at?

Damn fool!
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3:26PM on 05/26/2010
Hey Paul... More news. Less opinion.

Thanks.
Hey Paul... More news. Less opinion.

Thanks.
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3:41PM on 05/26/2010
I def agree. I don't ever fully buy into this kid's opinion judging by some of the things he says and movies he's admitted to actually never seeing, which means he should just report. He's a little too "green" for me to fully give a shit. Opinion based articles are more like space filler, anyway. So, I get what's he's doing. It's slow news- a ramble.
I def agree. I don't ever fully buy into this kid's opinion judging by some of the things he says and movies he's admitted to actually never seeing, which means he should just report. He's a little too "green" for me to fully give a shit. Opinion based articles are more like space filler, anyway. So, I get what's he's doing. It's slow news- a ramble.
3:25PM on 05/26/2010

This movie was a disappointment...

This and "Robin Hood." I'm with Paul. Fuck this noise.
This and "Robin Hood." I'm with Paul. Fuck this noise.
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7:20PM on 05/26/2010
Exactly, those both sucked soo much!!
Exactly, those both sucked soo much!!
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3:25PM on 05/26/2010

One thing...

Even though the movie made tons of money.. tickets prices for 3D cost pretty much the dobble as for regular ones.. so I believe this fact should get into account...
Even though the movie made tons of money.. tickets prices for 3D cost pretty much the dobble as for regular ones.. so I believe this fact should get into account...
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3:23PM on 05/26/2010
Did this really have to turn into another Burton bashing post?
Did this really have to turn into another Burton bashing post?
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7:19PM on 05/26/2010
Yes, he sucks as of late.
Yes, he sucks as of late.
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3:16PM on 05/26/2010
Burton's movies entertain me, he has a style that goes through all his movies. Woody Allen doesn't get crapped on for making the same movies.
Burton's movies entertain me, he has a style that goes through all his movies. Woody Allen doesn't get crapped on for making the same movies.
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3:55PM on 05/26/2010
no woody allen gets craped on for adopting then marrying his daughter. creepy factor of 10
no woody allen gets craped on for adopting then marrying his daughter. creepy factor of 10
7:18PM on 05/26/2010
He doesn't make the same film, and I don't think anyone is bashing him for that. We're bashing him for making a pretentious piece of shit, that was boring, looked god awful, had little reason to exist, and has some of the worst acting from the actors and actresses involved.
He doesn't make the same film, and I don't think anyone is bashing him for that. We're bashing him for making a pretentious piece of shit, that was boring, looked god awful, had little reason to exist, and has some of the worst acting from the actors and actresses involved.
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3:13PM on 05/26/2010
I liked it.
I liked it.
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3:07PM on 05/26/2010

Common Sense

Does anyone ever check the worldwide gross of any film? Almost every film released worldwide makes 2 to 4X the US domestic take. The fact that Alice grossed so much shouldn't surprise anyone. Iron Man 2? Hell, even that piece of shit MacGruber will net $50 million worldwide when it's all said and done.
Does anyone ever check the worldwide gross of any film? Almost every film released worldwide makes 2 to 4X the US domestic take. The fact that Alice grossed so much shouldn't surprise anyone. Iron Man 2? Hell, even that piece of shit MacGruber will net $50 million worldwide when it's all said and done.
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2:39PM on 05/26/2010
didn't see, it and now i'm glad i wasn't one of the people who plunked down their hard earned cash in the billion dollars. helena bonham carter is one of my favorite actors, and even she couldn't draw my attention
didn't see, it and now i'm glad i wasn't one of the people who plunked down their hard earned cash in the billion dollars. helena bonham carter is one of my favorite actors, and even she couldn't draw my attention
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2:23PM on 05/26/2010

Movie's one redeeming piece...

...was not Helena Bonham Carter, but Anne Hathaway.
...was not Helena Bonham Carter, but Anne Hathaway.
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3:44PM on 05/26/2010
You're right. Tassi is off the mark here, as usual. Glover works too. Depp was pretentious and annoying.
You're right. Tassi is off the mark here, as usual. Glover works too. Depp was pretentious and annoying.
2:19PM on 05/26/2010
aw come on, Crispin Glover was pretty good!
aw come on, Crispin Glover was pretty good!
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2:00PM on 05/26/2010

ugh

getting to the point where tassi's opinionated writing makes me not want to read his articles.
getting to the point where tassi's opinionated writing makes me not want to read his articles.
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7:15PM on 05/26/2010
The movie sucked, sorry, you liked it. Why can't the guy says what he thinks?
The movie sucked, sorry, you liked it. Why can't the guy says what he thinks?
12:49AM on 05/27/2010
alice in wonderland wasnt a great movie but there were moments i did enjoy, but tassi seems to latch on to hate and spread it like butter
alice in wonderland wasnt a great movie but there were moments i did enjoy, but tassi seems to latch on to hate and spread it like butter
1:40PM on 05/26/2010
Alice In Wonderland was awful. What was up with that retarded dance Depp did at the end? Was that really necessary? By far Burton's worst film. The guy used to be a decent director, but I now see him as an old useless hack.
Alice In Wonderland was awful. What was up with that retarded dance Depp did at the end? Was that really necessary? By far Burton's worst film. The guy used to be a decent director, but I now see him as an old useless hack.
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7:15PM on 05/26/2010
What was with that dance? Good question!
What was with that dance? Good question!
1:39PM on 05/26/2010
Burton and Depp can now get anything they want green lighted which is a very good thing.. And im not worried about the upconverting 3D, the studios know they wont be able to swindle audiences for much longer and every 3D movie from now on will most likely be done in proper 3D.
Burton and Depp can now get anything they want green lighted which is a very good thing.. And im not worried about the upconverting 3D, the studios know they wont be able to swindle audiences for much longer and every 3D movie from now on will most likely be done in proper 3D.
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1:29PM on 05/26/2010

Second Worst Movie Of The Year So Far

While not a huge Burton fan, he does have some excellent films (Big Fish, Ed Wood, Sleepy Hollow), but this was boring, the CGI was awful, most of the acting was terrible, the plot was meandering and pointless.

For me the only god thing was Hathaway as the White Queen. HBC was acting as if an entirely different film, and it was headache inducing. The girl with played Alice was bland. I hated this! WHy are audiences so duped?! Us film fans have noone to blame for the state of Hollywood's
While not a huge Burton fan, he does have some excellent films (Big Fish, Ed Wood, Sleepy Hollow), but this was boring, the CGI was awful, most of the acting was terrible, the plot was meandering and pointless.

For me the only god thing was Hathaway as the White Queen. HBC was acting as if an entirely different film, and it was headache inducing. The girl with played Alice was bland. I hated this! WHy are audiences so duped?! Us film fans have noone to blame for the state of Hollywood's movie making, other than ourselves.
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1:16PM on 05/26/2010
anyone who read Burton on Burton knows that this guy is money first, everything else second. he literally states this... not much of an artist in my opinion. But i am sure he is over the moon about his billion dollar take.
anyone who read Burton on Burton knows that this guy is money first, everything else second. he literally states this... not much of an artist in my opinion. But i am sure he is over the moon about his billion dollar take.
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4:02PM on 05/26/2010
Uhh... I read the book, and I got the exact opposite feeling. If there's any director out there who is still very passionate about the art, it's definitely Burton. This is a ridiculous statement.
Uhh... I read the book, and I got the exact opposite feeling. If there's any director out there who is still very passionate about the art, it's definitely Burton. This is a ridiculous statement.
5:32PM on 05/26/2010
Burton on Burton pg 51 - "i care about money, which is why i get so intense when these people are on my case" saying i don't make commercial movies because i always felt so responsible to the people who put up the money."

Burton on Burton pg 51 - "i care about money, which is why i get so intense when these people are on my case" saying i don't make commercial movies because i always felt so responsible to the people who put up the money."

1:11PM on 05/26/2010

In regards to the article

A little opinionated, but yeah, I see the problem. As long as audiences don't discern between lukewarm conversions and films shot in 3D, this'll happen. Sure, the online community knows all about it, but the vast majority of filmgoers don't follow online controversies - they just show up to watch the film. In this case, it was fantasy, it was a kids' flick, it had recognizable characters, it was Disney and it was 3D - five things that made it a box office monster.
A little opinionated, but yeah, I see the problem. As long as audiences don't discern between lukewarm conversions and films shot in 3D, this'll happen. Sure, the online community knows all about it, but the vast majority of filmgoers don't follow online controversies - they just show up to watch the film. In this case, it was fantasy, it was a kids' flick, it had recognizable characters, it was Disney and it was 3D - five things that made it a box office monster.
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1:05PM on 05/26/2010
I love Burton, but I agree with this assessment of the film - it is actually in my opinion, by far his worst movie. Yes, even worse than Planet of the Apes. I also condemn the success that fake, converted 3D is enjoying. That said, I am a huge fan of Burton, Johnny, Helena and the rest of them, and I am happy that they have enjoyed this success, so I remain neutral on this for now :)
I love Burton, but I agree with this assessment of the film - it is actually in my opinion, by far his worst movie. Yes, even worse than Planet of the Apes. I also condemn the success that fake, converted 3D is enjoying. That said, I am a huge fan of Burton, Johnny, Helena and the rest of them, and I am happy that they have enjoyed this success, so I remain neutral on this for now :)
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1:48PM on 05/26/2010
Don't take this the wrong way, but I doubt you really want to use 'condone' in your post.
Seems like 'condemn' is what you were looking for, although I'd rather use 'abhor'.

Nitpick out
Don't take this the wrong way, but I doubt you really want to use 'condone' in your post.
Seems like 'condemn' is what you were looking for, although I'd rather use 'abhor'.

Nitpick out
1:03PM on 05/26/2010

Snoopmish needs to listen to her own advice.

"The movie was filmed in Digital 3D with all CGI backgrounds....it was not converted, like Clash of the Titans."

Actually, the film was shot in 2D against green screens. 3D CGI was added later for the backgrounds and the 2D footage "dimensionalized" by companies like In-Three and Legend 3D.

This information is available online freely, and has been corroborated by the filmmakers. Opinionated Paul may be, but in this case, misinformed he is not. Please do your own research before indulging
"The movie was filmed in Digital 3D with all CGI backgrounds....it was not converted, like Clash of the Titans."

Actually, the film was shot in 2D against green screens. 3D CGI was added later for the backgrounds and the 2D footage "dimensionalized" by companies like In-Three and Legend 3D.

This information is available online freely, and has been corroborated by the filmmakers. Opinionated Paul may be, but in this case, misinformed he is not. Please do your own research before indulging in hypocrisy.
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1:11PM on 05/26/2010
Legend3D talks about their 3D work on the film...
[link]

Hollywood Reporter article about 2D-3D conversions, including "Alice"...
[link]

InThree talks about their work on the conversion...
[link]

James Cameron criticizes Tim Burton for shooting in 2D and converting later...
[link]

Need I go on?
Legend3D talks about their 3D work on the film...
[link]

Hollywood Reporter article about 2D-3D conversions, including "Alice"...
[link]

InThree talks about their work on the conversion...
[link]

James Cameron criticizes Tim Burton for shooting in 2D and converting later...
[link]

Need I go on?
2:11PM on 05/26/2010
Bra-vo.
Bra-vo.
7:12PM on 05/26/2010
You are my new hero!
You are my new hero!
2:55AM on 05/27/2010
3D doesnt matter , it was who wanted to see the movie. Bother are rotten by on RT, some would say their ops matter actually Alice is fresh on RT by top critics. ppl dont run to a movie becuase of 3D its just a lame gimmick. Avatar proved it was good by shattering even dvd recourds. its not in 3d
3D doesnt matter , it was who wanted to see the movie. Bother are rotten by on RT, some would say their ops matter actually Alice is fresh on RT by top critics. ppl dont run to a movie becuase of 3D its just a lame gimmick. Avatar proved it was good by shattering even dvd recourds. its not in 3d
2:59AM on 05/27/2010
Bad paste, Alice was rotten and so was clash of the titans. They would have made the same ammount if all that mattered was 3D. Alot of ppl dont go to a movie because its 3D , so i dont buy the "3D equals more money" argument
Bad paste, Alice was rotten and so was clash of the titans. They would have made the same ammount if all that mattered was 3D. Alot of ppl dont go to a movie because its 3D , so i dont buy the "3D equals more money" argument
1:01PM on 05/26/2010
If the success of this movie turns off Burton from making ORIGINAL movies ever again, I think I'm gonna cry...

Also, I don't agree with the extra tidbit. I HATED HBC's Red Queen. I'm usually a big fan of her's, but she never seemed to pinpoint her character, juggling between personalities from scene to scene...

The one redeeming (or two) factor for me were Hathaway as the White Queen and that girl who played Alice. She did a more than decent job compared to Depp...
If the success of this movie turns off Burton from making ORIGINAL movies ever again, I think I'm gonna cry...

Also, I don't agree with the extra tidbit. I HATED HBC's Red Queen. I'm usually a big fan of her's, but she never seemed to pinpoint her character, juggling between personalities from scene to scene...

The one redeeming (or two) factor for me were Hathaway as the White Queen and that girl who played Alice. She did a more than decent job compared to Depp...
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12:57PM on 05/26/2010

that's odd

i haven't seen this movie, nor do i intend to, but i find it odd it's made this much money. seems weird to list with other movies like LOTR:ROTK, THE DARK KNIGHT,.
i haven't seen this movie, nor do i intend to, but i find it odd it's made this much money. seems weird to list with other movies like LOTR:ROTK, THE DARK KNIGHT,.
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12:46PM on 05/26/2010
I totally agree on all points made in the article: so not deserving, way too popular and red queen only thing good
I totally agree on all points made in the article: so not deserving, way too popular and red queen only thing good
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12:44PM on 05/26/2010
"ALICE to me was everything thatís wrong with modern movies"
Um what?

"f all the movies that should cross a billion, this is by far the least deserving."
Ahahaha, good one. It still was waaaay better than crap like Avatar.
"ALICE to me was everything thatís wrong with modern movies"
Um what?

"f all the movies that should cross a billion, this is by far the least deserving."
Ahahaha, good one. It still was waaaay better than crap like Avatar.
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1:36PM on 05/26/2010
If you seriously think Avatar was worse than Alice, you are off your rocker.
If you seriously think Avatar was worse than Alice, you are off your rocker.
7:12PM on 05/26/2010
"Alice" is what's wrong with modern films. "Avatar", whether you liked it or not, was at least different, and offered you visuals the likes of which had never been seen. On that fact alone, it's better, because Alice's visuals were utter shit.
"Alice" is what's wrong with modern films. "Avatar", whether you liked it or not, was at least different, and offered you visuals the likes of which had never been seen. On that fact alone, it's better, because Alice's visuals were utter shit.
12:33PM on 05/26/2010

Converted 3D

Does anyone here actually do research on the films they are writing sbout? I have seen so many errors lately it's ridiculous.

The movie was filmed in Digital 3D with all CGI backgrounds....it was not converted, like Clash of the Titans. I don't know what is going on lately but the reporting here has gotten a bit sloppy and rushed.
Does anyone here actually do research on the films they are writing sbout? I have seen so many errors lately it's ridiculous.

The movie was filmed in Digital 3D with all CGI backgrounds....it was not converted, like Clash of the Titans. I don't know what is going on lately but the reporting here has gotten a bit sloppy and rushed.
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12:39PM on 05/26/2010
I agree with you. I actually made it into a game. I will read the article first without checking who wrote it. Then if it sounds strange I look at the author. Then I go, ah ok. It's P.T.
I agree with you. I actually made it into a game. I will read the article first without checking who wrote it. Then if it sounds strange I look at the author. Then I go, ah ok. It's P.T.
1:32PM on 05/26/2010
This film was filmed "with conventional cameras, and convert the footage into 3D during post-production; Zanuck explained 3D cameras were too expensive and 'clumsy' to use, and they felt that there was no difference between converted footage and those shot in the format."

Therefore IT WAS FUCKING CONVERTED, you dumbass. Learn your shit, then talk!

Until that happens, shut the fuck up, or else you look like an absolute asshole, which you are.
This film was filmed "with conventional cameras, and convert the footage into 3D during post-production; Zanuck explained 3D cameras were too expensive and 'clumsy' to use, and they felt that there was no difference between converted footage and those shot in the format."

Therefore IT WAS FUCKING CONVERTED, you dumbass. Learn your shit, then talk!

Until that happens, shut the fuck up, or else you look like an absolute asshole, which you are.
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12:31PM on 05/26/2010
Burton used to be original and creative? Yeah, I know I'll get a lot of thumbs down for this but he's really not all that great. The last decade he's spent trying to copy the style of A Nightmare Before Christmas, a film he didn't even direct (Henry Sellick directed and created the visual look).

The only two movies of Burton's that I find watchable are Pee Wee's Big Adventure, and Ed Wood. And that's mainly due to the scripts (Phil Hartman co-wrote Pee Wee) and the actors (Martin Landau's
Burton used to be original and creative? Yeah, I know I'll get a lot of thumbs down for this but he's really not all that great. The last decade he's spent trying to copy the style of A Nightmare Before Christmas, a film he didn't even direct (Henry Sellick directed and created the visual look).

The only two movies of Burton's that I find watchable are Pee Wee's Big Adventure, and Ed Wood. And that's mainly due to the scripts (Phil Hartman co-wrote Pee Wee) and the actors (Martin Landau's best performance).
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