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Ode to Bay!

Jul. 2, 2009by: The Arrow

Working the net for as long as I have, you notice trends; one of them has been the general disdain for certain directors. Namely: Uwe Boll, Paul Anderson, Stephen Sommers and Michael Bay. I have my useless opinion on all of them of course, but I'm here for Bay right now - you heard me - MICHAEL F*CKING BAY.

I personally never understood the often expressed hatred for the man being that he's one of the, if not THE top Hollywood action stylists on the block. Nope, my utter disdain for TRANSFORMERS 2 hasn't tarnished my respect for Bay and what he pulls off when it comes to staging astounding and often goose bump inducing action scenes. Nobody in Hollywood today does grand scale mayhem like The Bay Man (or shoot hot chicks in a manner that makes them look like goddesses) and I figured it was time for AITH to give him some props.


Bay yaps Leatherface with director Marcus Nispel...

As a director my top Bay films would have to be: THE ROCK (his best one according to this jerk - the scene showcased below always sends shivers up my spine), ARMAGEDDON, THE ISLAND and TRANSFORMERS. All entertaining flicks with engaging storylines, razor photography, booming scores and of course eye popping action/destruction sequences. As a producer (via his company Platinum Dunes), dig on remakes or not, nobody can deny that THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE and the FRIDAY THE 13TH remakes TOWER in terms of quality over non Bay retellings like ONE MISSED CALL or THE OMEN. So he's doing something right there too.

All that to stab, its called credit where credit is due and The Bay Man doesn't gets enough of it online. So even though his latest flick let me down hardcore like two dogs humping in the dark, I'm still rooting for the lad and am anticipating the next Bay Celluloid Demolition Derby hardcore. In closing, here are some of my FAV BAY DIRECTED ACTION BITS! ENJOY!

THE ROCK (1996)

TRANSFORMERS (2007)

THE ISLAND (2005)

ARMAGEDDON (1998)

BAD BOYS II (2003)

KEEP EM COMING LOUD AND PROUD BAY!

Extra Tidbit: Bay should have directed the GI JOE movie - I SAID IT!
Source: AITH

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11:05AM on 07/03/2009
Well I cant say I agree anymore on this Arrow, I LOVE Michael Bay movies, he makes THE best action you can watch IMO.

Pearl Harbor is really the only movie I dont care for all that much, but the R rated version has some amazing FX and action scenes, when the Japanese attack its one amazing shot after another, sure the story is sorely lacking and I certainly found the love triangle pretty bad, but I could watch those action scenes over and over again

At finoj05 you personally like more
Well I cant say I agree anymore on this Arrow, I LOVE Michael Bay movies, he makes THE best action you can watch IMO.

Pearl Harbor is really the only movie I dont care for all that much, but the R rated version has some amazing FX and action scenes, when the Japanese attack its one amazing shot after another, sure the story is sorely lacking and I certainly found the love triangle pretty bad, but I could watch those action scenes over and over again

At finoj05 you personally like more story and character to your action movies, a lot of us dont, we WANT stuff blowing up and amazingly shot explosions, cars flipping, helicopters crashing, etc. If the plot works enough to bring on more action scenes, we enjoy that......a lot of people seem to forget that and believe the masses and anyone who likes movies that way are somehow stupid or have lower IQs or something.

I personally carry an IQ of 130 and I'm far from stupid, but I'm easily pleased and look at life for the simple pleasures and Bay's movies bring that to me EVERY DAMN TIME! The only thing I dont agree is that Transformers 2 sucked, I found it better than the first with just more more more of what made the first one so awesome to begin with.......

I'm always up for Bay and I own all of his movies, plus I watch them over and over which finoj05 negates what you just said, Bay's movies are easily watchable over and over just like anything else and to me I would rather watch amazing and awesome action over Casino Royale any day (even though Casino Royale was a great movie)

Also you do realize that Bay doesnt write these movies right? I'm sure he's involved in some of it, but everyone always blames the director yet I'm sure a lot of the time he's given a script TO direct, some sure write and direct or help write and direct but I dont recall Bay writing much of anything for his movies, so I dont really lay the blame of a bad story or terrible dialog on him and most people never blame the writers for a bad story which doesnt make sense, its almost like blaming the reader of a book for interpreting it wrong
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7:51PM on 07/02/2009
Personally I've never had a major problem with Bay. His films aren't perfect and some I really don't like (Pearl Harbour) but for the most part they are awesome fun. The man knows action, no doubt about that. So good on ya Fallon for the Ode to Bay!
Personally I've never had a major problem with Bay. His films aren't perfect and some I really don't like (Pearl Harbour) but for the most part they are awesome fun. The man knows action, no doubt about that. So good on ya Fallon for the Ode to Bay!
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7:48PM on 07/02/2009

Hell yes

Hate on Bay all you want, the guy is one of the top action directors out there now. How many millions has Transformers 2 made? Fuck, the guy's commercial is funny as hell. "explosions!"
Hate on Bay all you want, the guy is one of the top action directors out there now. How many millions has Transformers 2 made? Fuck, the guy's commercial is funny as hell. "explosions!"
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5:49PM on 07/02/2009

Fuck yeah Arrow!

Once again I share your awesome opinion. I do realize that some of the haters have some valid arguments against him, mainly being him re-using many of his older shots, but fucking hell, no one can accuse of not being able to make kick ass action scenes. The Rock is probably on my top 5 movies of all time. Love that fucking movie, and ever since it, Bay has always been ace in my book.
Once again I share your awesome opinion. I do realize that some of the haters have some valid arguments against him, mainly being him re-using many of his older shots, but fucking hell, no one can accuse of not being able to make kick ass action scenes. The Rock is probably on my top 5 movies of all time. Love that fucking movie, and ever since it, Bay has always been ace in my book.
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5:44PM on 07/02/2009
If the Arrow didn't write this up, I probably would have gotten around to it myself in a little while. I'm a HUGE FAN of Michael Bay (for what he IS) and look forward to seeing each of his films in the theater. THE ISLAND was the shit as well!
If the Arrow didn't write this up, I probably would have gotten around to it myself in a little while. I'm a HUGE FAN of Michael Bay (for what he IS) and look forward to seeing each of his films in the theater. THE ISLAND was the shit as well!
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5:35PM on 07/02/2009
The problem stems not from Bay's work, but how he is treated compared to other director's.

He is a great business man, as he has avoided box office bombs all but once, as he has picked films that are likely to succeed, either because of the star power, the budget or the concept.

However, while his work is no better or worse than any other films dumb action films, because his all succeed financially, he gets more credit for his success.

Roland Emmerich, for instance, has similar films
The problem stems not from Bay's work, but how he is treated compared to other director's.

He is a great business man, as he has avoided box office bombs all but once, as he has picked films that are likely to succeed, either because of the star power, the budget or the concept.

However, while his work is no better or worse than any other films dumb action films, because his all succeed financially, he gets more credit for his success.

Roland Emmerich, for instance, has similar films as Bay, but he has just type-cast himself into directing disaster films. If Bay wasn't so smart at picking bankable pictures, he would be right down there with Emmerich, who has done nothing impressive since Independence Day or Stargate (films I think are better than ANY of Bay's, if only for the original ideas implemented into them).

Movies like Star Trek and The Dark Knight have shown how big bad action movies can be turned into real stories you want to watch again and again. Nobody watches Bay movies for the relationships or the story arch's or even the thrills. AND explosions are not thrills by the way.

Watch the battle sequence in Star Wars, the desert chase in Raiders or even the train chase in Back To The Future Part III. You can watch those alone and feel thrills that relate to the story. Not the dazzling imagery that helps sell it. Or watch the last 30 minutes of Terminator 2. Those are REAL thrills.

3 car chases and 8 total action sequences in films like Bad Boys 2 and Transformers do not impress me.

One-time watch audiences will like it, but most don't go back for more.

While films like Raiders, Back to The Future, Star Wars, Die Hard and The Terminator films, and new franchises such as The Dark Knight, Casino Royale, Star Trek will be thrilling every re-watch for years to come.

Bay however, despite his name value, Spielberg and Bruckheimer backing his projects, and his blank-check big budget action films, cannot make ONE movie that holds a candle to those films above.

While The Rock is good, it still is just an action movie. The story it tells, while the best of Bay's films, still takes a backseat to many of Bay's typical formulaic garbage. If that is truly his action masterpiece, then please, stop defending this man's reputation. He gets WAY more than he truly deserves.
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5:30PM on 07/02/2009

Bay

I'm a big Bay fan. People have their opinions and there's usually no swaying them but to each his own. I've loved almost all of Bay's films, especially the BAD BOYS flicks. Bay knows he's not good at the stuff under the surface so he aims for people to just have fun watching his flicks... and guess what, I do. As do most. He knows he's sterotyped, just take that 'Awesome' commercial Matt mentioned that Bay did for Verizon Fios. I always dig on someone who can poke fun at themselves and have fun
I'm a big Bay fan. People have their opinions and there's usually no swaying them but to each his own. I've loved almost all of Bay's films, especially the BAD BOYS flicks. Bay knows he's not good at the stuff under the surface so he aims for people to just have fun watching his flicks... and guess what, I do. As do most. He knows he's sterotyped, just take that 'Awesome' commercial Matt mentioned that Bay did for Verizon Fios. I always dig on someone who can poke fun at themselves and have fun with it.

But yeah... I'm definitely with the Arrow on this one and have MUCHO respect for the Bay-man.
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5:26PM on 07/02/2009

Props Arrow!

I'm with you Arrow, I'm definitely a Bay fan. I mean, c'mon everybody...The Rock!

I will never understand the hate for Transformers 2 and especially Bad Boys 2. I mean, did you see that car chase sequence? How can any action lovers hate a movie that has like 8 sequences like that?

But don't forget, the man's movies make shitloads of money (other than The Island), so obviously the average moviegoer likes the man's films...so I guess the Internet is NOT an indication of general opinion.
I'm with you Arrow, I'm definitely a Bay fan. I mean, c'mon everybody...The Rock!

I will never understand the hate for Transformers 2 and especially Bad Boys 2. I mean, did you see that car chase sequence? How can any action lovers hate a movie that has like 8 sequences like that?

But don't forget, the man's movies make shitloads of money (other than The Island), so obviously the average moviegoer likes the man's films...so I guess the Internet is NOT an indication of general opinion. How shocking.
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5:25PM on 07/02/2009

Props Arrow!

I'm with you Arrow, I'm definitely a Bay fan. I mean, c'mon everybody...The Rock! That was probably Sean Connery's most badass movie, and that's saying a lot!

I will aslo never understand the hate for Transformers 2 and especially Bad Boys 2. I mean, did you see that car chase sequence? How can any action lovers hate a movie that has like 8 sequences like that?

But don't forget, the man's movies make shitloads of money (other than The Island), so oviously the average moviegoer likes the
I'm with you Arrow, I'm definitely a Bay fan. I mean, c'mon everybody...The Rock! That was probably Sean Connery's most badass movie, and that's saying a lot!

I will aslo never understand the hate for Transformers 2 and especially Bad Boys 2. I mean, did you see that car chase sequence? How can any action lovers hate a movie that has like 8 sequences like that?

But don't forget, the man's movies make shitloads of money (other than The Island), so oviously the average moviegoer likes the man's films. Fuck the fanboy haters!
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5:19PM on 07/02/2009

I'm with the haters

Well I don't have time to get into an argument about Michael Bay, because this is like opening a Pandora box. You either love him, or hate him and the argument could go forever. I absolutely hate him. I have several reasons, but the most obvious is I absolutely hate his action sequences. Let's be honest: they are a mess. Like visual diahrrea. I often have migraines, and everytime I see one of his movies it makes it worse. Flooding your cerebral cortex with flashy images and faster-than-light
Well I don't have time to get into an argument about Michael Bay, because this is like opening a Pandora box. You either love him, or hate him and the argument could go forever. I absolutely hate him. I have several reasons, but the most obvious is I absolutely hate his action sequences. Let's be honest: they are a mess. Like visual diahrrea. I often have migraines, and everytime I see one of his movies it makes it worse. Flooding your cerebral cortex with flashy images and faster-than-light cuts, coupled with pointless slowmo is not my kind of action. And correct me if I am wrong, but he is one of the precursors of this shitty MTV-like action sequences that appeared in our beloved action movies in the mid-90s. Again, you may find it awesome. But I don't. Just a matter of taste, I guess. Secondly he is an asshole. You can tell he is just by his arrogant smile, and most importantly the few interviews he had. Finally, he can't tell a story or direct actors, and his movies are incredibly cheesy. Gigantic explosions do give me boners, yes... but when they are decently filmed. As a producer I would say he is pretty good. His Platinum Dunes remake have been pretty cool so far. But as a director, this guy is a hack with zero talent and way too much money in his pockets. PS: you want to know why all this hate is focused on him... I would say that this is because he sort of represents everything which is despicable about modern Holywood. "Make things big, make things dumb, feed the audience shit, blow their eyeballs away, and make us some goddamn money!". In a way, his movies may be an assault on senses, but they are even more an insult on intelligence.
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5:08PM on 07/02/2009

Arrow

Once again you prove how much of a badass you are. I love most of Bays movies (even TF2 which i gave a 7.5/10) and the hate he receives is unfair in my eyes. Not saying he's above criticism, but the guys films aren't any more shallow or mainstream then 80% of the shit that comes out in theaters. People just zero in on him for some reason.
Once again you prove how much of a badass you are. I love most of Bays movies (even TF2 which i gave a 7.5/10) and the hate he receives is unfair in my eyes. Not saying he's above criticism, but the guys films aren't any more shallow or mainstream then 80% of the shit that comes out in theaters. People just zero in on him for some reason.
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4:58PM on 07/02/2009

The Bay Hate

Michael Bay, before Transformers, was just another stupid director to me. I liked his films. I own a few of them as well.

The Rock is a good action film. Bad Boys is a good action comedy (to me anyways, I know most don't think much of it since it's formulaic, a problem Bay has in pretty much every one of his films).

Armageddon is an over-bloated epic action drama that is more suiting for the resume of Roland Emmerich to go along with his typical-hollywood love stories centered around
Michael Bay, before Transformers, was just another stupid director to me. I liked his films. I own a few of them as well.

The Rock is a good action film. Bad Boys is a good action comedy (to me anyways, I know most don't think much of it since it's formulaic, a problem Bay has in pretty much every one of his films).

Armageddon is an over-bloated epic action drama that is more suiting for the resume of Roland Emmerich to go along with his typical-hollywood love stories centered around things getting destroyed. The story is rather plain and shallow, considering it's emotions it tries to convey.

Many of Bay's films seem to pretend to be a great story surrounded by an epic backdrop, but the story is always missing many elements that made greater films better. Even originality aside, Bay just seems to paste simple stories into his movies, and it comes off like the story was put in last and the action set piece and direction first.

Take for example, the Megan Fox/Shia relationship in BOTH transformers movies. It seems like he wrote that last and put in these hints about it throughout, just so people think it was actually a planned story arch, when it's really just an excuse to put these sex symbols in the film.

Bay's next film, Pearl Harbor, was written as an action film and the love story was terribly written because it wasn't really Bay's focus. He just put in there to pretend it had a story other than the action.

It just comes off as trying to match the romantic story's that fit into greater films such as The Empire Strikes Back or Indiana Jones the last Crusade (as a companion father/son story).

Bad Boys 2, made no excuses and knew the love story wasn't the center. My only real problem with that movie is it's about 30 to 45 minutes too long, similar to the latest Transformers film. Just a whole lot of everything to get to nothing. A non-sense action film should not exceed two hours unless it has real substance.

The Island, was two different movies. A good scifi film and then a bad michael bay action film. If he decided to leave out the over-excessive action, then maybe fans of the first half wouldn't have felt so cheated in the second. Thus, why the film bombed.

Transformers suffers many of the same problems. One is, as much time that is spent on the human characters, the Transformers are STILL more interesting. However, just way too much time is spent on the human characters, when the story are so cookie-cuttered into it anyways.

Now... all this wouldn't be much of a problem with most people. Bay is Bay. He is what he is.

What pisses people off is how much he is given credit for the success of his films and how he is considered one of the top action director's and he simply hasn't created any real original material since he made Got Milk (his best creation in my book).

Outside of Bad Boys and The Island (second of which was a bomb), he has worked with A-List Talent, and or established franchises with large budgets. He has not been challenged to really create a box office success on artistic merit alone. However, a guy like Spielberg, who HAS been challenged several times in his career and succeeded, talks about Bay as if he is going to be the #1 Director of the 21st century.

Now, Michael Bay is no longer an action director that makes dumb movies. He is the next Spielberg.

This is why so many people don't like him. He is over-hyped and has nothing to show for his skill besides Got Milk.

Oh... not to mention most that have worked with him, who are NOT famous, talk about how terrible he is to work with.
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4:55PM on 07/02/2009

Thx BatDaddy!

Just saying it like it is (in my world anyways) - I'm sure lots of peeps dissagree with me - all good - to each his own.
Just saying it like it is (in my world anyways) - I'm sure lots of peeps dissagree with me - all good - to each his own.
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10:50AM on 07/02/2009

I like all of Bay's films!

Even Pearl Harbor to an extent. I do not understand the hate for this guy. I also like the Platinum dunes films he produces.
Even Pearl Harbor to an extent. I do not understand the hate for this guy. I also like the Platinum dunes films he produces.
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10:47AM on 07/02/2009
Been a Michael Bay fan since The Rock.

Transformers 2 was decent though. The twins sucked.
Been a Michael Bay fan since The Rock.

Transformers 2 was decent though. The twins sucked.
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10:24AM on 07/02/2009
Wow, who knew Bay was ripped?
Wow, who knew Bay was ripped?
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9:57AM on 07/02/2009

Sho'nuff

Bay got my respect when he did the "It must be awesome" commercial (can't remember what he was pitching though). Bay's not perfect, but neither is Spielberg.
Bay got my respect when he did the "It must be awesome" commercial (can't remember what he was pitching though). Bay's not perfect, but neither is Spielberg.
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9:52AM on 07/02/2009
Arrow dude, you've got some brass balls the size of... well... that giant robot in that lame new Michael Bay movie. But I'm with you - Bay does what he does, he is what he is, and he usually does a pretty damn good job of it. When he's "on," I have a helluva lot of fun.
Arrow dude, you've got some brass balls the size of... well... that giant robot in that lame new Michael Bay movie. But I'm with you - Bay does what he does, he is what he is, and he usually does a pretty damn good job of it. When he's "on," I have a helluva lot of fun.
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