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C'mon Hollywood #232

Dec. 1, 2009by: J.A. Hamilton

...who is gonna be the Spider-Man 4 villain?
by J.A. Hamilton

Im a huge fan of all things Spider-Man, the first comic book I ever read was AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #313 featuring (coincidentally enough) the Lizard. Naturally I was hooked and started collecting every Spider-Man title out there. I also grew up watching the first animated cartoon (my favorite episode was the one with Sandman), and loved the follow up series in the nineties. So I was on cloud nine when the first feature film came out, the second one blew me away and the third had the potential to be great but got bogged down by too many elements and as such failed to deliver a coherent storyline. There have been rumors aplenty for SPIDER-MAN 4, and some of them have me worried.

They sure don't make em like this anymore

Firstly, Im glad Sonys excited about a fifth and sixth installment, but their focus should be on number four as far as Im concerned. Though Spidey 3 wasnt a complete dud, the masses (me included) were disappointed with a variety of things and our confidence in the series must be restored. As Ive said before, Im happy as hell to hear James Vanderbilt (ZODIAC, THE RUNDOWN, BASIC) is penning the next two scripts, but Im worried we might be getting ahead of ourselves here. I personally would have ended SPIDER-MAN 3 with Brock and the symbiote bonding and given part 4 to Venom but sadly thats not how things went down.

I'm still haunted by what could have been...

Speaking of villains, thats my next point of interest. I have nothing but respect for Dylan Baker (who worked well in Spidey 2 and 3), but I just cant get behind the Lizard as a villain, mainly because hes like an animal version of the Hulk and as such, a one dimensional character who doesnt really bring much to the table. A strong antagonist needs dialogue, without it, it becomes very hard to empathize or even enjoy the relationship between hero and villain. Some people are baffled by why fans love Venom so much, well go read some of the comics and youll find out. The back and forth between Brock and Peter is the very definition of nemesis.

Sorry, but no thanks

Im not at all fond of the Black Cat coming to town either. Im not hating on the character per say, but I find it curious that Raimi or the writers would want to put yet another love interest between Peter and Mary Jane. We got more than enough of that with Gwen Stacy in the last film, and with Peter and MJ getting engaged Im not sure another emotional obstacle is the right way to go. Furthermore, the rumor and or idea of a kid being thrown into the mix, is absolutely ridiculous (see Tony Langs article entitled Spidey has a baby). There is no reason for this whatsoever and in my opinion, this would only hurt the film and add yet another debatable angle that just doesnt need to be there.

This on the other hand, would make me smile

Im definitely rooting for SPIDER-MAN 4, as I said Im a die hard fan, but I strongly feel that this film will be a make or break point in the series. I made last weeks Requiem for Nachos joke about Bruce Campbell being Mysterio because thats exactly what I personally would love to see. I think Campbell could carry the film as Spideys nemesis this time around, and Mysterio is definitely a cool enough character to reinvigorate the fans much like Doc Ock did in part 2. Thats the sort of edge this film needs, rather than another cheap gimmick (a kid) or leaning on another love interest. Time will tell, but I sincerely hope this is a sequel the fans will want to see.
Extra Tidbit: Ive always been rather curious about how The Vulture would fit into the mix. Hes not the most compelling character, but Im sure hed make for some entertaining fun.
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6:51AM on 12/02/2009

Kraven & LIzard

All i want to see is Kraven coming to NYC to hunt the LIzard who is rampaging thru the city and sets his sites on spiderman as well
All i want to see is Kraven coming to NYC to hunt the LIzard who is rampaging thru the city and sets his sites on spiderman as well
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5:40AM on 12/02/2009
Great article, I really have no idea what I want with Spiderman 4, just something that shits all over 3 which was such a massive let down. A villian that is good, with a good actor playing the role, giving them some substance like with Doc Ock which fucking rocked the shit with part 2.
Great article, I really have no idea what I want with Spiderman 4, just something that shits all over 3 which was such a massive let down. A villian that is good, with a good actor playing the role, giving them some substance like with Doc Ock which fucking rocked the shit with part 2.
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4:16AM on 12/02/2009
Bruce Campbell as Mysterio would be awesome.
Bruce Campbell as Mysterio would be awesome.
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12:47AM on 12/02/2009

Don't care who's the villain, just want a good movie.

I couldn't agree more with an article like this, great job J.A. You sound much like me, to this day I wish Spidey 3 could be redone. But I'm none too worried about what villain we will get in Spidey 4, I just want to see Raimi and co. make another great Spider-Man movie.

The problem with Spidey 3 was everyone, including the filmmakers, got too worked about who the villains would be and cared less and less for the story. SM4 needs to be the other way around.
I couldn't agree more with an article like this, great job J.A. You sound much like me, to this day I wish Spidey 3 could be redone. But I'm none too worried about what villain we will get in Spidey 4, I just want to see Raimi and co. make another great Spider-Man movie.

The problem with Spidey 3 was everyone, including the filmmakers, got too worked about who the villains would be and cared less and less for the story. SM4 needs to be the other way around.
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9:10PM on 12/01/2009
Visually, I think the Lizard could make an awesome baddie, imagine the battles. I'd be ok if a second villian was added as well. A part of me will always hope for Carnage, but it would be best for another director to handle him, since Raimi prefers the older villians.
Visually, I think the Lizard could make an awesome baddie, imagine the battles. I'd be ok if a second villian was added as well. A part of me will always hope for Carnage, but it would be best for another director to handle him, since Raimi prefers the older villians.
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9:07PM on 12/01/2009
I'm not fond of the Black Cat idea either, it just seems tacky and unoriginal. They need to go back to the basics and bring out a villain that's gonna get everyone excited again.
I'm not fond of the Black Cat idea either, it just seems tacky and unoriginal. They need to go back to the basics and bring out a villain that's gonna get everyone excited again.
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7:06PM on 12/01/2009
I didn't realize there was so much Vulture hype going around, I'm getting excited to see if it's gonna be true. Other than that, a spider-baby, that's the dumbest idea ever.
I didn't realize there was so much Vulture hype going around, I'm getting excited to see if it's gonna be true. Other than that, a spider-baby, that's the dumbest idea ever.
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6:11PM on 12/01/2009
YES MYSTERIO-BRUCE CAMPBELL!!!!
YES MYSTERIO-BRUCE CAMPBELL!!!!
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4:27PM on 12/01/2009

GET BIG!!

Bruce Campbell ALL THE WAY! Mysterio may be low on super powers, but C'MON! It would be Bruce FREAKIN' Campbell!! But if you gotta have more than one GET BIG and go for Electro, Scorpion, or RHINO! Horror angle would be great but if you go for Morbius, and if you want to go for a werewold, Man-Wolf would be cool OR introduce another marvel character and bring in Jack Russell's WEREWOLF BY NIGHT!
But ya know, BRUCE CAMPBELL could carry the whole thing. Too Bad some dumb ass killed of Doc
Bruce Campbell ALL THE WAY! Mysterio may be low on super powers, but C'MON! It would be Bruce FREAKIN' Campbell!! But if you gotta have more than one GET BIG and go for Electro, Scorpion, or RHINO! Horror angle would be great but if you go for Morbius, and if you want to go for a werewold, Man-Wolf would be cool OR introduce another marvel character and bring in Jack Russell's WEREWOLF BY NIGHT!
But ya know, BRUCE CAMPBELL could carry the whole thing. Too Bad some dumb ass killed of Doc Ock, what a waste. HE would always be welcome!
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4:22PM on 12/01/2009
John Malcovich as Vulture!!!!
John Malcovich as Vulture!!!!
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2:43PM on 12/01/2009

Drag Spidey to Hell

I for one was excited about those early Morbious rumors, let Sam sprinkle some of his horror magic in there. HES STILL GOT IT!
I for one was excited about those early Morbious rumors, let Sam sprinkle some of his horror magic in there. HES STILL GOT IT!
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2:31PM on 12/01/2009

VULTURE

Vulture will be in the next film, I'll bet my reputation, my alter-ego online reputation, that is.
Vulture will be in the next film, I'll bet my reputation, my alter-ego online reputation, that is.
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7:05PM on 12/01/2009
Hope you're right.
Hope you're right.
1:09PM on 12/01/2009
I think Vulture will be one of the baddies in the next one personally. The rumors are saying Anne Hathaway is up for the role of his daughter and vulture was supposed to be the badguy in spider-man 3 when the studio changed that and made him add venom.
I think Vulture will be one of the baddies in the next one personally. The rumors are saying Anne Hathaway is up for the role of his daughter and vulture was supposed to be the badguy in spider-man 3 when the studio changed that and made him add venom.
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12:50PM on 12/01/2009
The point that has to be looked at as far as The Lizard is concerned is this....Peter knows that Connors is the Lizard and the fact that he both respects him and views him as a father figure. The Lizard on the other hand is a force of nature, a raw brute force. That in itself brings out plenty of emotional conflict within the storyline. You don't really have to identify with the Lizard, but from the side of Peter you can relate to the conflict he's going through. To stop the Lizard without
The point that has to be looked at as far as The Lizard is concerned is this....Peter knows that Connors is the Lizard and the fact that he both respects him and views him as a father figure. The Lizard on the other hand is a force of nature, a raw brute force. That in itself brings out plenty of emotional conflict within the storyline. You don't really have to identify with the Lizard, but from the side of Peter you can relate to the conflict he's going through. To stop the Lizard without killing him and save Dr. Connors without himself being destroyed by the good doctor. That type of emotional conflict is what sets the Marvel Universe apart from the DC Universe.
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12:42PM on 12/01/2009
Mysterio might be kinda cool...but I say have Lizard be the only villain, and don't bother with dialogue after he's converted to full Lizard. Just have the most intense, hardcore battle of all time. We know Raimi can do intense. Look at Evil Bead (the 1st one) or the Dr. Octopus surgery scene in SM2. Awesome.
Mysterio might be kinda cool...but I say have Lizard be the only villain, and don't bother with dialogue after he's converted to full Lizard. Just have the most intense, hardcore battle of all time. We know Raimi can do intense. Look at Evil Bead (the 1st one) or the Dr. Octopus surgery scene in SM2. Awesome.
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12:11PM on 12/01/2009

Great read..

I agree Mysterio would be a cool villian, they've destroyed the venom storyline so I really don't have much faith in the franchise but I'll stick around for another installment.Adding Bruce Campbell would give me even more the reason to check it out. I was thinking Electro in a sidestory would be cool, in a "Elle from Heroes" sort of way. The Rhino is a no go in my opinion, don't think they could make it work without making him look stupid, and then they would probally get either John Cena or
I agree Mysterio would be a cool villian, they've destroyed the venom storyline so I really don't have much faith in the franchise but I'll stick around for another installment.Adding Bruce Campbell would give me even more the reason to check it out. I was thinking Electro in a sidestory would be cool, in a "Elle from Heroes" sort of way. The Rhino is a no go in my opinion, don't think they could make it work without making him look stupid, and then they would probally get either John Cena or Dywane the toothfairy Johnson to play him anyways. hahaha!
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12:08PM on 12/01/2009
Mysterio would be cool to see, but Black cat is too much like another catwoman and Lizard's kinda lame. Scorpion could be interesting if done right.
Mysterio would be cool to see, but Black cat is too much like another catwoman and Lizard's kinda lame. Scorpion could be interesting if done right.
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12:08PM on 12/01/2009
Frankly, I'd like to see the Kingpin as the Spidey 4 villain. After all, The Kingpin started off harassing Spidey long before Daredevil got into the mix.
Frankly, I'd like to see the Kingpin as the Spidey 4 villain. After all, The Kingpin started off harassing Spidey long before Daredevil got into the mix.
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11:44AM on 12/01/2009
Another good article for C'Mon Hollywood. Honestly I would love to see Tombstone and Hammerhead at some point of Spider-Man 4.
Another good article for C'Mon Hollywood. Honestly I would love to see Tombstone and Hammerhead at some point of Spider-Man 4.
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10:38AM on 12/01/2009
I think the Lizard could be the single villain, and can still have dialogue. He would take Peter/Spider-Man somewhere he's never been and build his character since he's known Peter, and Peter looks at him as his role model.
I think the Lizard could be the single villain, and can still have dialogue. He would take Peter/Spider-Man somewhere he's never been and build his character since he's known Peter, and Peter looks at him as his role model.
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10:26AM on 12/01/2009
throw vulture in as a villain peter battles and defeats in a short amount of time
throw vulture in as a villain peter battles and defeats in a short amount of time
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10:08AM on 12/01/2009
Well said.
Well said.
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9:50AM on 12/01/2009
As long as the villain isn't some misunderstood person who got his powers through a science accident, but redeems himself at the end, then I'll be happy.
As long as the villain isn't some misunderstood person who got his powers through a science accident, but redeems himself at the end, then I'll be happy.
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9:05PM on 12/01/2009
Ain't that the truth.
Ain't that the truth.
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9:49AM on 12/01/2009
"I personally would have ended SPIDER-MAN 3 with Brock and the symbiote bonding and given part 4 to Venom but sadly thats not how things went down."

How do you know? All that was shown was an explosion at the end of Spider-Man 3. It's still unclear if they died.
"I personally would have ended SPIDER-MAN 3 with Brock and the symbiote bonding and given part 4 to Venom but sadly thats not how things went down."

How do you know? All that was shown was an explosion at the end of Spider-Man 3. It's still unclear if they died.
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11:26AM on 12/01/2009
Considering that you can see Brock's bones disintegrate, I think he's dead.
Considering that you can see Brock's bones disintegrate, I think he's dead.
12:09PM on 12/01/2009
Spiderman 3's ending was pretty self explanatory I think.
Spiderman 3's ending was pretty self explanatory I think.
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8:48AM on 12/01/2009

Always check for typos...

This article is about 4 right? (check the title..)
I've always thought scorpian was a great underused villain myself. As good as big Bruce would be as mysterio, could mysterio carry a whole movie? I agree a spiderman baby is a terrible idea, and to honest I think that was pure rumour.
This article is about 4 right? (check the title..)
I've always thought scorpian was a great underused villain myself. As good as big Bruce would be as mysterio, could mysterio carry a whole movie? I agree a spiderman baby is a terrible idea, and to honest I think that was pure rumour.
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8:43AM on 12/01/2009

Hold on

OK seriously.

First off Lizard is more then one dimensional as the whole thing aobut the character is that the savage Lizard persona is trying to take over his body. There are lots of times where conversation has been had while he was of sound mind.

Second. If Black cat comes in then MJ will probably be out. That's what it was in the comics was that Cat was there when MJ leave Peter the first time (i may be a bit fuzzy on this one as it's been a while since i've read those issues). Also
OK seriously.

First off Lizard is more then one dimensional as the whole thing aobut the character is that the savage Lizard persona is trying to take over his body. There are lots of times where conversation has been had while he was of sound mind.

Second. If Black cat comes in then MJ will probably be out. That's what it was in the comics was that Cat was there when MJ leave Peter the first time (i may be a bit fuzzy on this one as it's been a while since i've read those issues). Also she adds a different angle since her character was in love with Spider Man and NOT Peter Parker.

Totally agree on the Venom should have been held til 4 part though, would have worked out way better.
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8:01AM on 12/01/2009

Must be my ESP...

but I am pretty sure the Spiderman 3 villians are going to be Venom and Sandman.

Seriously, I would love to see Lizard and/or Black Cat. If BC was Mysterio I'd be thrilled. I think he'd be slightly less effective as Black Cat.
but I am pretty sure the Spiderman 3 villians are going to be Venom and Sandman.

Seriously, I would love to see Lizard and/or Black Cat. If BC was Mysterio I'd be thrilled. I think he'd be slightly less effective as Black Cat.
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7:57AM on 12/01/2009

The Bruce Campbell thing goes back a few years.

I'm pretty sure there was a rumor back in 07 where they said he was Mysterio which explains why he keeps popping up.

Which would be pretty awesome, and a great way to tie all of the Spider-Man movies together.
I'm pretty sure there was a rumor back in 07 where they said he was Mysterio which explains why he keeps popping up.

Which would be pretty awesome, and a great way to tie all of the Spider-Man movies together.
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