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Did Robert Redford spill a major spoiler regarding Captain America: The Winter Soldier?

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Robert Redford has had many roles over the years: actor, director, activist, philanthropist, and now spoiler. In a recent interview with Here Be Geeks, the legendary Hollywood veteran may have let slip a big detail about his part in CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER, a part that until now was regarded as a mere cameo.

According to rumors online, Redford is playing a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent named Alexander Pierce, whom Nick Fury reports to. It was assumed we would see the chain of command at the covert agency. I mean, with Cobie Smulders, Scarlett Johansson, and Anthony Mackie all playing agents, some sort of supervisor would have to chew our Samuel L. Jackson's one-eyed hero, right? That may still be the case, but then take a look at this quote from Redford:

“I think a career requires a certain amount of reinvention. If you get caught in one track I think that can be dangerous. Success has a dark side to it. you want to be careful if you’ve had success at something, that you not try and follow it by just duplicating it. That’s why I’m doing this Captain America thing. I like the idea of playing a villain…I did that just because it’s a different thing for me to do.”

A villain? Before we get into rampant speculation, it was just assumed that Redford would be a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, so he could be playing someone totally different. Could he be the man responsible for brainwashing Sebastian Stan's Bucky Barnes into the titular Winter Soldier? Possibly. Here Be Geeks theorizes that the Winter Soldier's handler, General Aleksander Lukin, was also possessed by the consciousness of the Red Skull. This could explain the return of Toby Jones as Armin Zola.

Again, this is all speculation, but Redford may not realize what his slip of the tongue may have done for Marvel's plan with the movie. Or, we could be reading way too much into it. Either way, we will find out for sure when CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER opens on April 4, 2014.

Source: Here Be Geeks

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9:36AM on 05/09/2013
My guess is that Robert Redford will play Robert Redford - as usual. He is still one of the greatest though.

And what better actor is there to have involved in a political spy/thriller movie.. as this is supposed to be.
My guess is that Robert Redford will play Robert Redford - as usual. He is still one of the greatest though.

And what better actor is there to have involved in a political spy/thriller movie.. as this is supposed to be.
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1:18AM on 05/09/2013
My guess is one the following 4, for no reason whatsoever other than it would be cool to see Redford in any of those roles:
-Baron Zemo
-Baron Strucker
-"new"/recast Red Skull
-Baron Blood (well ok, maybe not this one!)
My guess is one the following 4, for no reason whatsoever other than it would be cool to see Redford in any of those roles:
-Baron Zemo
-Baron Strucker
-"new"/recast Red Skull
-Baron Blood (well ok, maybe not this one!)
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1:19AM on 05/09/2013
*the following 4. My bad.
*the following 4. My bad.
2:11AM on 05/09/2013
It would be seriously awesome to see Zemo, but alas, he is playing Alexander Pierce, who is a somewhat obscure, but pivotal character from the SHIELD comics of yore. Both of the main story arcs involving Pierce featured Hydra as the antagonist though, which would be pretty easy to incorporate into the Winter Soldier arc, so I think seeing Zemo or Strucker show up wouldn't be too much of a stretch, they just won't be played by Redford.
It would be seriously awesome to see Zemo, but alas, he is playing Alexander Pierce, who is a somewhat obscure, but pivotal character from the SHIELD comics of yore. Both of the main story arcs involving Pierce featured Hydra as the antagonist though, which would be pretty easy to incorporate into the Winter Soldier arc, so I think seeing Zemo or Strucker show up wouldn't be too much of a stretch, they just won't be played by Redford.
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10:38PM on 05/08/2013

Dude, just read the flipping source material I swear, and you can eliminate all of this rampant speculation!

Or even just take like 2 minutes and read the wiki entry! I know they won't stick EXACTLY to the comics, but this is Pierce's character in a nutshell. Instead of him being a "good guy who turns out to be a bad guy" he's more of a "bad guy who turns out to be a good guy." I was expect this is the angle they'll play in the movie.
Or even just take like 2 minutes and read the wiki entry! I know they won't stick EXACTLY to the comics, but this is Pierce's character in a nutshell. Instead of him being a "good guy who turns out to be a bad guy" he's more of a "bad guy who turns out to be a good guy." I was expect this is the angle they'll play in the movie.
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2:56AM on 05/09/2013
I went to the comic book database and it said "Pierce came out the SHIELD Academy a qualified top caliber field agent, majoring in integrated civilian surveillance and decoding high level HYDRA dispatches. However he receded into the 'sleeper' status and was living practically a civilian life in the Soho district of Manhattan when he was drafted into Fury's efforts to reclaim his organization from the vast conspiracy eating away at SHIELD."

In the movies, Fury could ask Pierce to come out
I went to the comic book database and it said "Pierce came out the SHIELD Academy a qualified top caliber field agent, majoring in integrated civilian surveillance and decoding high level HYDRA dispatches. However he receded into the 'sleeper' status and was living practically a civilian life in the Soho district of Manhattan when he was drafted into Fury's efforts to reclaim his organization from the vast conspiracy eating away at SHIELD."

In the movies, Fury could ask Pierce to come out of retirement because the incident described in the Avengers movie left S.H.I.E.L.D. short staffed. (Several S.H.I.E.L.D. agents were killed.) Or perhaps he is brought in by the "Security Council" we saw in teh Avengers movie to replace Fury and he and Fury butt heads and that's what he is talking about.
9:44PM on 05/08/2013
This is a pretty underwhelming spoiler. I mean it's cool that he is playing a villain, but not something that I would get frustrated with knowing before seeing the film.

Now if this were the Mandarin twist that would be another story.
This is a pretty underwhelming spoiler. I mean it's cool that he is playing a villain, but not something that I would get frustrated with knowing before seeing the film.

Now if this were the Mandarin twist that would be another story.
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6:10PM on 05/08/2013
maybe he'll play a good guy, who turns out to be a bad guy, who turns out to be an actor.
maybe he'll play a good guy, who turns out to be a bad guy, who turns out to be an actor.
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7:58PM on 05/08/2013
Sounds like the Mandarin
Sounds like the Mandarin
10:16PM on 05/08/2013
@Tae K: LOL. I was thinking the same thing...
@Tae K: LOL. I was thinking the same thing...
12:02AM on 05/09/2013
would you assholes plz shut the fuck up
would you assholes plz shut the fuck up
2:15AM on 05/09/2013
That's actually kinda along the right tracks.In the comics HYDRA secretly infiltrates SHIELD and overthrows Fury and then instals Pierce as a puppet director of the organization, however in the end it turns out that Pierce is a double agent for SHIELD and not HYDRA's man like they had thought and he and Fury work together to take back SHIELD. So he's a "bad guy" that turns out to be the good guy. My guess is that they're going to combine this arc with Winter Soldier and the big reveal will be
That's actually kinda along the right tracks.In the comics HYDRA secretly infiltrates SHIELD and overthrows Fury and then instals Pierce as a puppet director of the organization, however in the end it turns out that Pierce is a double agent for SHIELD and not HYDRA's man like they had thought and he and Fury work together to take back SHIELD. So he's a "bad guy" that turns out to be the good guy. My guess is that they're going to combine this arc with Winter Soldier and the big reveal will be that Pierce isn't the big bad guy, but that there's someone else, likely either Strucker or Zemo, who's responsible for both the SHIELD incident and the Winter Soldier.
3:00AM on 05/09/2013
Except that HYDRA in the movies was active in the 40s and there's nothing indicating that they are still around.

Anyway, didn't they have a similar plot with Spiderwoman? Fury asked her to infiltrate HYDRA and the HYDRA tells Spiderwoman to infiltrate SHIELD and then it turns out that Spiderwoman was a Skrull all along.
Except that HYDRA in the movies was active in the 40s and there's nothing indicating that they are still around.

Anyway, didn't they have a similar plot with Spiderwoman? Fury asked her to infiltrate HYDRA and the HYDRA tells Spiderwoman to infiltrate SHIELD and then it turns out that Spiderwoman was a Skrull all along.
9:49AM on 05/09/2013
But couldn't HYDRA not being around since the '40's be a motivating force for the villains in this movie? Perhaps Zemo has been trying to rebuild HYDRA since the end of WWII and is using Winter Soldier and Pierce to overthrow SHIELD and take over some kind of command. Perhaps they've switched tactics from full on invasion warfare to an espionage strategy. Zemo thinks he is using Pierce to gain control over SHIELD, in the end Pierce turns out to be a double agent working for SHIELD. And the
But couldn't HYDRA not being around since the '40's be a motivating force for the villains in this movie? Perhaps Zemo has been trying to rebuild HYDRA since the end of WWII and is using Winter Soldier and Pierce to overthrow SHIELD and take over some kind of command. Perhaps they've switched tactics from full on invasion warfare to an espionage strategy. Zemo thinks he is using Pierce to gain control over SHIELD, in the end Pierce turns out to be a double agent working for SHIELD. And the Winter Soldier has been dispatched to covertly eliminate SHIELD's top agents: Black Widow, Hawkeye, Falcon, Captain America.

Obviously pure speculation, but just because HYDRA hasn't been mentioned since Cap Am 1, doesn't mean they should be eliminated from the MCU as a potential villain. Remember, this is comics on screen. And in comics, no one ever truly dies.
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5:31PM on 05/08/2013

Watch cartoon for clue

I have said this before, but I have a feeling that Redford's character too big of an actor for just a bureaucrat would make a nice double agent to bring back the will/clone of Red Skull. Red Skull's greatest power grab was him not being Red Skull. Redford would be perfect for that. See Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Season 2 - Code Red.
I have said this before, but I have a feeling that Redford's character too big of an actor for just a bureaucrat would make a nice double agent to bring back the will/clone of Red Skull. Red Skull's greatest power grab was him not being Red Skull. Redford would be perfect for that. See Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Season 2 - Code Red.
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