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Peyton Reed talks Ant-Man and The Wasp and the failure of Fantastic Four

11.11.2015

We know that ANT-MAN director Peyton Reed has been in talks to return to the director's chair for ANT-MAN AND THE WASP and, while nothing official has been announced yet, the director told Yahoo Movies that "we’re [still] in negotiations, but I think it’s looking pretty good." After Edgar Wright's departure from the film, Marvel quickly began searching for a new director who would be able to jump in to a film which already had many of its key elements in place. Peyton Reed was definitely up for the job and the finished product surprised many of us; however, Peyton Reed would love the opportunity to be able to build ANT-MAN AND THE WASP from the ground up this time.

I think one of the appealing things about coming back for a sequel is to be able to build it from the ground up this time. Also, [there’s] stuff that we clearly set up in the first movie that we want to pay off and have fun with in the second movie. Since we know [the characters’] origins, we can go in some weird, unique and different territory.

As evident by the title, Evangeline Lilly's character will be taking on a much larger role this time around and Reed is very excited to be able to give the character her chance to shine:

Her last line in the movie — ‘It’s about damn time’ — [is] very much about her specific character and arc in that movie, but it is absolutely about a larger thing. It’s about damn time: We’re going to have a fully realized, very very complicated hero in the next movie who happens to be a woman.

Once upon a time, Peyton Reed was developing a Fantastic Four film only to find himself replaced by Tim Story. FANTASTIC FOUR and its sequel, FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER, were moderately successful but overly campy films which unfortunately ended the franchise. We all had high hopes that the heroic foursome would finally get their due in Josh Trank's FANTASTIC FOUR, but...that's just too painful to talk about. After three big-screen attempts at bringing Marvel's first family to life, Fox's inability to translate these character successfully is a little frustrating, which is a feeling Peyton Reed definitely shares:

Fantastic Four in the comics was always the pinnacle of Marvel, the crown jewel — they were the first family of Marvel Comics. The two existing versions did massive pendulum swings from each other. One was very pitched toward younger kids and very broad, and the second was a much darker version of it. I just personally feel like they have not gotten the tone right. And man, it’s a bummer. I think the tone has got to be one of optimism, and you’ve got to take it seriously. I think they haven’t really gotten Mr. Fantastic’s powers right visually on screen. I think there’s some really badass ways to make that [character] work. I just know there’s a great Fantastic Four movie to be had. I’m convinced that it can work.

ANT-MAN AND THE WASP is set to hit theaters on July 6, 2018.

Source: Yahoo Movies

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2:05PM on 11/12/2015

Fair comment on the FF.

I agree with Reed's take, but 2 questions:
1.) How many Mulligans does this franchise get?
2.) At what point do we begin to think that the concept itself (not the execution) is the real flaw, and that the FF idea simply won't appeal to a mass audience?
I agree with Reed's take, but 2 questions:
1.) How many Mulligans does this franchise get?
2.) At what point do we begin to think that the concept itself (not the execution) is the real flaw, and that the FF idea simply won't appeal to a mass audience?
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8:19PM on 11/12/2015
With regard to 2, that's easy. After Marvel does it. Whilst it was my most favourite MCU movie at one point, clearly even Marvel thinks that they are unable to create a successful solo Hulk film.
With regard to 2, that's easy. After Marvel does it. Whilst it was my most favourite MCU movie at one point, clearly even Marvel thinks that they are unable to create a successful solo Hulk film.
9:07AM on 11/12/2015

The best thing that could happen is...

The Fantastic Four goes back to Marvel and they do it the way it should be done!
The Fantastic Four goes back to Marvel and they do it the way it should be done!
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5:28AM on 11/12/2015
I was never a FF fan and rarely touched the comics unless it was part of some crossover story. No doubt coz, I liked my stuff more dark. However, as for "tone has got to be one of optimism", surely the first two films did that, no? Yet the movies got heavily slated by the fans. What was it missing? It seems to be getting more recognition of late because the reboot was apparently so bad. Personally, apart from getting Johnny and Ben right in both movies and that SIlver Surfer intro I
I was never a FF fan and rarely touched the comics unless it was part of some crossover story. No doubt coz, I liked my stuff more dark. However, as for "tone has got to be one of optimism", surely the first two films did that, no? Yet the movies got heavily slated by the fans. What was it missing? It seems to be getting more recognition of late because the reboot was apparently so bad. Personally, apart from getting Johnny and Ben right in both movies and that SIlver Surfer intro I didn't think those movies were very memorable though I have to admit, I do like watching the Brooklyn Bridge scene every time my kids puts the DVD on as I've always loved scenes that depict civilians reacting to heroic acts (it'll come as no surprise to you that my best scene from Superman Returns was the plane save and why one of my issues with MoS was that it lacked that kind of scene).

As for Ant-Man, it does make me laugh the number of people that went OTT over Wright's departure. I'm very glad the movie did well - not the best Marvel movie by any stretch of the imagination...but it was enjoyable.
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4:19AM on 11/12/2015
I'm glad he's back to do the sequel. First movie took me by surprise of how good and enjoyable it was. As for Fantastic Four, I think Reed is right. To me, Trank did not get the tone of the movie right. Fantastic Four supposes to be a light-hearted action / comedy movie for the whole family. The new version was so dark and stressful. That's why I really like two Tim Story's Fantastic Four. Who knows? Maybe Peyton Reed should direct Fantastic Four, if the rights ever be reverted back to Marvel.
I'm glad he's back to do the sequel. First movie took me by surprise of how good and enjoyable it was. As for Fantastic Four, I think Reed is right. To me, Trank did not get the tone of the movie right. Fantastic Four supposes to be a light-hearted action / comedy movie for the whole family. The new version was so dark and stressful. That's why I really like two Tim Story's Fantastic Four. Who knows? Maybe Peyton Reed should direct Fantastic Four, if the rights ever be reverted back to Marvel.
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3:18AM on 11/12/2015
Fox should have reunited the cast from the first two films and replaced Chris Evans with Freddie Prince Jr. (seriously because he looks the part) and made Fantastic Four and a Half and had the story focus on Franklin Richards. They could even have made it an X-Men crossover: when they find out that Franklin has powers they consult Professor Xavier. The villains would have to have been the Skrulls: the Skrulls have been replacing people in power for years and Franklin can see that they are
Fox should have reunited the cast from the first two films and replaced Chris Evans with Freddie Prince Jr. (seriously because he looks the part) and made Fantastic Four and a Half and had the story focus on Franklin Richards. They could even have made it an X-Men crossover: when they find out that Franklin has powers they consult Professor Xavier. The villains would have to have been the Skrulls: the Skrulls have been replacing people in power for years and Franklin can see that they are aliens but nobody believes him so he joins forces with the youngest of the young students at Xavier's school and they uncover the plot. It would have been Marvel Superheroes meets Spy Kids. Actually, this is something that they can do still with the current cast. People might actually want to go see it if it has Patrick Stewart as Professor Xavier and a few other X-Men cameos.
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4:25AM on 11/12/2015
I like your idea of Franklin Richards consulting with Professor Xavier, thus later teaming up with X-Men to fight the villain. But I'm not sure about The Skrulls.
I like your idea of Franklin Richards consulting with Professor Xavier, thus later teaming up with X-Men to fight the villain. But I'm not sure about The Skrulls.
11:42PM on 11/11/2015
Am I the only one who thinks Ant-man is very close in style and comedy to Story's Fantastic Four films? Other than having a better cast, I felt like Ant-man was really similar to those films. Which is why I was surprised when people seem to love the ant-man film but bash those FF films. Maybe it's because expectations were low for Ant-man. Or people just claim to love it since it is a part of the MCU. I enjoyed it, but feel it is somewhat overrated.
Am I the only one who thinks Ant-man is very close in style and comedy to Story's Fantastic Four films? Other than having a better cast, I felt like Ant-man was really similar to those films. Which is why I was surprised when people seem to love the ant-man film but bash those FF films. Maybe it's because expectations were low for Ant-man. Or people just claim to love it since it is a part of the MCU. I enjoyed it, but feel it is somewhat overrated.
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4:22AM on 11/12/2015
I get your point. I might be the minority here but I really like two movies of Tim Story's Fantastic Four. Personally I think people like Ant-Man because it's like a breath of fresh air after big budget action extravaganza of three Iron Man movies and two Avengers movie. Not that those are bad movie but sometimes scale it down to smaller size (literally) of a movie, like Ant-Man, is like a breath of fresh air.
I get your point. I might be the minority here but I really like two movies of Tim Story's Fantastic Four. Personally I think people like Ant-Man because it's like a breath of fresh air after big budget action extravaganza of three Iron Man movies and two Avengers movie. Not that those are bad movie but sometimes scale it down to smaller size (literally) of a movie, like Ant-Man, is like a breath of fresh air.
7:46AM on 11/12/2015
Yes, they were both light in humour, but ANT-MAN was tongue-in-cheek. It made fun of clichés, while FANTASTIC 4 stuck to them.
Yes, they were both light in humour, but ANT-MAN was tongue-in-cheek. It made fun of clichés, while FANTASTIC 4 stuck to them.
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