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07.14.2016

THE UNPOPULAR OPINION is an ongoing column featuring different takes on films that either the writer HATED, but that the majority of film fans LOVED, or that the writer LOVED, but that most others LOATHED. We're hoping this column will promote constructive and geek fueled discussion. Enjoy!

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There have always been dichotomies in the entertainment industry: Star Trek vs Star Wars, Nintendo vs Sega, Coke vs Pepsi. The list goes on and on. What is clear in 2016 is that one of the biggest rivalries in Hollywood is Marvel vs DC. Marvel Studios has ushered in a golden age for comic book films, the vast majority of which they have released themselves. The entire conceit of the modern cinematic universe is because of Marvel. While no other studio has managed to capture that same creative spark, many are trying. One of those competitors is Marvel's longtime foe, DC Comics. DC has not quite hit the same level of quality with their comic book adaptations outside of Christopher Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy, but we are witnessing the first steps towards their shared onscreen world with the MAN OF STEEL follow-up, BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE. While nowhere near the box office juggernaut of anything branded with Marvel, BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is nonetheless a unique and wholly satisfying film that presents movie buffs and comic fans with one of the most desired and exciting superhero match-ups ever. While lambasted by the majority, BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is a hell of a lot better than anyone has claimed.

First off, we need to stop everyone's bitching about how dark the DC Extended Universe is shaping up to be. Yes, I am a proponent for the lighter, candy-colored comic book adaptations like Sam Raimi's SPIDER-MAN or even the maligned FANTASTIC FOUR films, but there is room for multiple types of comic book films. While Superman has often been a beacon of light and hope in comics and the original film franchise, exploring him as a symbol to strive for in a world of nihilism and xenophobia is a very timely and intriguing premise. MAN OF STEEL began that theme but was bogged down in the fans and critics decrying the scope of the destruction porn they witnessed in the second half of the film. Why would Superman allow so much death without a second thought? Why would Superman kill General Zod when he is supposed to never kill? Well, what we need to all understand is that these are not the comic books of the 1940s but a new vision for our contemporary world. It is also, like the Marvel films, a variation on the expected and not a tried and true remake. That is why they call them adaptations, right? Looking at the DC television properties, Arrow and The Flash have managed to find a balance between light and dark that allows them to feel different from Marvel while still staying true to the source material.

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Now, I am not saying that BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is without faults. Clearly, this film is not quite the masterpiece it could have been. But, does that mean it is a failure or even a bad movie? Not at all. BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE functions more like CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE FIRST AVENGER: a placeholder to tease audiences for the spectacle that is to come. JUSTICE LEAGUE is going to be the true gauge as to whether the DCEU will succeed or fail, but it should never be measured against Marvel's output. It has become very popular to bash on Zack Snyder as if he were Michael Bay directing the TRANSFORMERS abominations. Sure, Snyder does rely on his bag of visual trademarks a bit too much but that is the hallmark of any filmmaker. What Snyder brings to this film is a gravitas and tone that creates an edginess to this universe. From the Knightmare sequence to the one on one showdown between the alter egos of Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent, Snyder imbues this film with a scale that rivals anything in Christopher Nolan's Batman films or even any DC film to date. The true scope of these heroes and their powers is realized for the first time in cinematic history and it is something incredible to behold.

Barring any argument about plotholes or weak justifications of Superman's actions in MAN OF STEEL, lets talk about what is great about BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE. For all of the complaints people made at the casting of Gal Gadot and Ben Affleck as Wonder Woman and Batman, respectively, these two are absolutely spot-on casting decisions. Gadot makes Diana alluring and mysterious while also making her the first true female superhero on the big screen to look ready to go mano a mano with her testosterone-laden colleagues. No offense to Black Widow or Scarlet Witch from the MCU, but Wonder Woman is easily on par with Thor in terms of strength and agility. Even though it felt like a glorified cameo, I cannot wait to see WONDER WOMAN when it hits theaters. Affleck, someone I was excited about the moment he was cast, is simply perfect as this version of Bruce Wayne. With all of the variations and changes made to the character over the years, we have never seen Batman in this phase of his career and it is refreshingly dark. This Batman is someone who will kill when he sees the need and is only brought back to the light by the film's end, something that will setup a more familiar Dark Knight in films to come. But, I hope they don't change him one bit as this is the Batman we deserve.

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But we should not sleep on Henry Cavill. Cavill is a physical specimen who embodies exactly what Superman should look and act like. MAN OF STEEL was his introduction and he feels more like a side character in this film, but one whom you cannot take your eyes off of every moment he is on screen. From the Congressional massacre scene to his death, Cavill makes Superman the most human character in this movie. My only complaint is that we don't get enough of his as Clark Kent, but something tells me that is going to be seen less and less as these films progress. I always loved the balance of the Superman/Kent personalities but I don't think the DCEU is going to rely on alter egos for very much longer. The duality of these characters has always been a defining trope of comic books, but these films are breaking with the cliches and traditions to give us something very different. A prime example of this shift is Jesse Eisenberg's Lex Luthor. Often pointed out as one of the biggest failures in BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE, I loved Eisenberg's take on Superman's nemesis. This is a 21st century Lex Luthor. There is no need for him to be physically imposing as he is often portrayed in the comics. This Lex is clearly a broken person, albeit a brilliant one. Eisenberg is a scumbag in the vein of Ramsey Bolton, someone you just want to see get destroyed on screen.

But, BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is not a happy movie and it shouldn't be. Many critics complained about the lack of levity in the movie and found the few humorous moments to hint at a better film underneath. Rather, BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE starts as a film about hopelessness before transforming into a beacon of hope. Batman is a lost cause who fears the alien savior many see in Superman. Lex Luthor is the embodiment of the hate and fear-mongering that lingers within our modern society. Doomsday is a parallel to the hate and violence in our world and leads to the death of the one being who is good and wholesome. Even if Superman is not pure, he is better than all of us and still represents who we all should want to be. His death in this film and teased resurrection will evolve this universe into something more than what it currently is. 

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If BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE fails at anything, it is taking too long to get to the good stuff. Yes, this film has a very slow first half that is packed with exposition and talking heads. This is one of the hazards of building a cinematic universe and there was virtually no way to avoid it. DC/Warner Bros decided to go the route of starting with their team-up instead of beginning with individual superhero films. That means that BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE was destined to be the film that had to introduce all of these concepts and characters. While not executed in the most organic manner, Zack Snyder still manages to deliver on the spectacle and action grandeur we were promised. It never seemed quite feasible for Batman to hold his own against Superman, and the logic of it still doesn't quite click, but what Snyder managed to do here was deliver another decent Superman film and a damn good Batman movie. When all is said and done, BATMAN V SUPERMAN: DAWN OF JUSTICE is going to be regarded as a much better movie in retrospect and could also possibly herald the introduction of the best movie Batman we will ever see.

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12:49PM on 07/15/2016

"Funnel, fairy, bubble bath."

BvS didn't live up to the hype set up by the marketing. A bout of the century it was not. An unstable power hungry puppemaster pitting two heroes against each other, and the public against them, stays 2 steps ahead by getting access to Kryptonian knowledge, and in the process goes insane.

I dislike Eisenberg, a lot, I must say. Even after the first couple viewings I still didn't. But, by the time I watched the UE, I came around to seeing that it was not so much him, but the scoring of the
BvS didn't live up to the hype set up by the marketing. A bout of the century it was not. An unstable power hungry puppemaster pitting two heroes against each other, and the public against them, stays 2 steps ahead by getting access to Kryptonian knowledge, and in the process goes insane.

I dislike Eisenberg, a lot, I must say. Even after the first couple viewings I still didn't. But, by the time I watched the UE, I came around to seeing that it was not so much him, but the scoring of the movie around him that seemed off. I paralleled antagonist scenes from other films in my head that seem to flow better because they were more in tune with the character. I'm sorry, Hans. I've loved your scores since watching Gladiator all those many years ago, but I see now why you decided to quit after this movie. Perhaps, it was Snyder's call, but I feel I could of reworked the score better.

That being said, there is no doubt in my mind, that the negative public and critics will sway their views in favor of this film a year from now.
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8:42AM on 07/15/2016
I enjoyed this film, even if it did feel oddly edited. Looking forward to checking out the extended edition.
The film's biggest issue was Eisenberg's portrayal of Luthor, and even that could be justified if they allow the character to evolve in future Superman movies (though I'm not sure that'll happen). I enjoyed Man Of Steel and this, feeling they've done a better job of representing modern comic books than the majority of superhero movies. I'm not Snyder's biggest fan, but I expect them to
I enjoyed this film, even if it did feel oddly edited. Looking forward to checking out the extended edition.
The film's biggest issue was Eisenberg's portrayal of Luthor, and even that could be justified if they allow the character to evolve in future Superman movies (though I'm not sure that'll happen). I enjoyed Man Of Steel and this, feeling they've done a better job of representing modern comic books than the majority of superhero movies. I'm not Snyder's biggest fan, but I expect them to continue to move away from him running the DCCU and give other directors a shot. There's brilliant potential in this movie universe and I've not been particularly disappointed with the movies so far. Marvel's output has been a bit patchy, but I think they've really hit their stride with the Russos lately. The fact that the DC films feel very different to the Marvel ones is a positive in my opinion, 'cause as much as I like the Marvel movies, they aren't perfect.
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11:42PM on 07/14/2016
Yeah I have to agree with a lot of the points above. The only thing I really disagree with, that many others have touched on is Luthor. We don't need a physically imposing Luthor, but we don't need one who is straight up insane. He reminded me a lot of the Arkham series take on The Riddler, which others have mentioned in the past. The thing that embodies Luthor in my opinion is that despite all his villiany, in the comics he eventually gets the American people to elect him president. That takes
Yeah I have to agree with a lot of the points above. The only thing I really disagree with, that many others have touched on is Luthor. We don't need a physically imposing Luthor, but we don't need one who is straight up insane. He reminded me a lot of the Arkham series take on The Riddler, which others have mentioned in the past. The thing that embodies Luthor in my opinion is that despite all his villiany, in the comics he eventually gets the American people to elect him president. That takes somebody who is both intelligent and devious but charming. Someone that projects trust, but it ultimately dishonest and nefarious. They took a shot and it didn't really work. I honestly think that is why they wrote an out for themselves in the film. He references his father all the time throughout the first section of the film and Lex even states that his father is the Lex in front of the LexCorp. If poppa shows up they could conceivably make him the Lex Luthor most fans wanted and expected.
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11:06PM on 07/14/2016
Unless Superman has the power to talk to ghosts, the scene with Pa Kent made no sense.
Unless Superman has the power to talk to ghosts, the scene with Pa Kent made no sense.
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1:34AM on 07/15/2016
My thoughts exactly.
My thoughts exactly.
9:01AM on 07/15/2016
If you think that scene makes no sense, then clearly movies are way too complex for you on every level including childrens movies.
If you think that scene makes no sense, then clearly movies are way too complex for you on every level including childrens movies.
10:22AM on 07/15/2016
Oh.. right, dream sequence like Batman was a precog when the Flash was yelling at him from the future or something..
Oh.. right, dream sequence like Batman was a precog when the Flash was yelling at him from the future or something..
11:43AM on 07/15/2016
that wasn't a dream. Flash was using speedforce to warn bruce. listen man if you're going to complain and not know a hero's power ability....your opinion doesn't really count for much.
that wasn't a dream. Flash was using speedforce to warn bruce. listen man if you're going to complain and not know a hero's power ability....your opinion doesn't really count for much.
1:05PM on 07/15/2016
It was just his imagination projecting him there. The UE makes it clear when Clark asks his mom why his dad never left Kansas.
It was just his imagination projecting him there. The UE makes it clear when Clark asks his mom why his dad never left Kansas.
10:14PM on 07/14/2016
This movie was great. Much better t
This movie was great. Much better t
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7:26PM on 07/14/2016
Glad to see this article. I think the issue is that there have been so many MCU films in the last few years, that everyone thinks superhero films need to be fun and comedic to be good. Even the Dark Knight Rises seemed to get the same type of complaints from some fans. BvS isn't a perfect film, but I like it and respect that it is trying to do it's own thing.
Glad to see this article. I think the issue is that there have been so many MCU films in the last few years, that everyone thinks superhero films need to be fun and comedic to be good. Even the Dark Knight Rises seemed to get the same type of complaints from some fans. BvS isn't a perfect film, but I like it and respect that it is trying to do it's own thing.
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6:21PM on 07/14/2016
Lets get something straight, its not the "darkness" that people (at least for me) didn't like its HOW it was executed. Chris Nolan's Batman trillogy was also grim and grounded but it respected its boundaries in terms of characterisation and plot structure. Non of those films tried to ape Marvel's "candy colored" style and they still worked.
BvS took itself way too serious that when it goofed it didn't acknowledge it making it harder to forgive. Kinda like when someone messes up and goes "hey
Lets get something straight, its not the "darkness" that people (at least for me) didn't like its HOW it was executed. Chris Nolan's Batman trillogy was also grim and grounded but it respected its boundaries in terms of characterisation and plot structure. Non of those films tried to ape Marvel's "candy colored" style and they still worked.
BvS took itself way too serious that when it goofed it didn't acknowledge it making it harder to forgive. Kinda like when someone messes up and goes "hey lighten up, I was jerking around" as a flimsy defence when caught. Clearly Batman was the weak link here as evident by the final confrontation with Supes and WW doing most of the fighting. There so many instances of these like my favourite when Bruce Wayne says my people were hunters and he does the complete opposite of that by blowing shit up and massacaring baddies instead of using stealth tactics when tracking his "prey" y'know, like hunters do. How do you stray so far from what you were building up to??
The dream sequences were just so excrutiating that I found myself going "Yeah, yeah we GET IT!!". Superman and Wonder Woman were ok but Zack Snyder dropped the ball when it came to Batman.
So please stop citing "dark" as the reason for fans not liking this movie.
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6:06PM on 07/14/2016

Unfairly Maligned

I was absolutely shocked with the hated for this film. I love that it went for something tonally far different than that of the Marvel movies (and I love the Marvel movies). Snyder takes a lot of abuse, but this film is beautiful and he shot the crap out of it. I can't think of a Marvel film that looks as good as this film does, visually it is stunning. It is funny that the ultimate edition actually seems shorter than the theatrical as it flows so much better. Are there still problems?
I was absolutely shocked with the hated for this film. I love that it went for something tonally far different than that of the Marvel movies (and I love the Marvel movies). Snyder takes a lot of abuse, but this film is beautiful and he shot the crap out of it. I can't think of a Marvel film that looks as good as this film does, visually it is stunning. It is funny that the ultimate edition actually seems shorter than the theatrical as it flows so much better. Are there still problems? Of course, but I didn't hear the same kind of nit picking over plot issues with Civil War (How the appearance of Iron Man was a necessity at the end and yet how would've Zemo have known he'd show? I actually found this way less organic than the "Martha" everyone loves to complain about). I love that the whole darkness is the point as it brings Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman back to hope. The movie is convoluted (the UE helps) and there is way too much exposition for one movie, but it is not and never was a disaster. I can guarantee that I will watch this movie many more times as I will continue to see new things and pick up on plot points I missed the first three times. I hope they improve on B v S with Justice League, but instead of being wary I am hopeful that they will create something as visually stunning that isn't quite so hard to digest on one sitting.
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2:26AM on 07/15/2016
Civil War had humour thrown here and there as welcomed distraction, off course why would Tony Stark recruit a teenager to fight a highly trained super soldier/hero and not, say, The Punisher? If Bruce Banner could be found easily in some remote corner of the world in the 1st Avengers movie, what more Frank Castle in NYC? Spidey's wit and Ant Man's charm countered the heavy violence and destruction allowing us to suck in the illogical-ness of what scenes follow next.
Regarding the 'Martha'
Civil War had humour thrown here and there as welcomed distraction, off course why would Tony Stark recruit a teenager to fight a highly trained super soldier/hero and not, say, The Punisher? If Bruce Banner could be found easily in some remote corner of the world in the 1st Avengers movie, what more Frank Castle in NYC? Spidey's wit and Ant Man's charm countered the heavy violence and destruction allowing us to suck in the illogical-ness of what scenes follow next.
Regarding the 'Martha' thingy, what made it ridiculous was Batman losing it and trying to perform a massive character shift within a few scenes and yet he's supposed to be the Greatest Detective who's never heard of "coincidence" in this grim world/reality which was setup to be taken seriously, but only to break away from its tone and mess up the viewing experience.
Besides, who calls their mother by their first name whether adopted or biological when talking to strangers?
5:19PM on 07/14/2016
Finally a Great unpopular opinion. BvS is definitely one of those movies like Blade Runner, that was hated by critics and will be loved by most later on. Hell, people who hated it are already starting to turn around and say they liked or loved it. The movie is so radically different from the stuff that Marvel pumps out (dont get me wrong, i love marvel) but this movie is full of allegorical references, great performances, great action, great cinematography (WOW Larry Fong..just WOW) that anyone
Finally a Great unpopular opinion. BvS is definitely one of those movies like Blade Runner, that was hated by critics and will be loved by most later on. Hell, people who hated it are already starting to turn around and say they liked or loved it. The movie is so radically different from the stuff that Marvel pumps out (dont get me wrong, i love marvel) but this movie is full of allegorical references, great performances, great action, great cinematography (WOW Larry Fong..just WOW) that anyone who says this is one of the WORST movies ever made has either A) only seen 2 movies and the other movie is like Citizen Kane and or B) wrote this movie off before they even went to see it.

People who wrote off the Martha scene as a Step Brothers moment are complete idiots and know that there is a much deeper subtext, in which the word Snaps Bruce to his senses and he realizes that A) superman is quite human and B) Batman is now in the place of Joe Chill .standing above his prey ready to willingly MURDER someone. WILLINGLY being the operative word. He has become that which he hates...that which he swore to defeat.

Martha has always been a name that Batman holds absolutely close to him. Hell even in Batman Arkham Knight, the Knightfall protocol is activated by the password Martha.

Is this movie perfect? No. Did it have problems in the theatrical cut? sure. but being avid movie fans, the editing is something we shouldn't be complaining too much about as we are able to follow movies with harder narrative structures to follow.

Was jesse eisenberg good? when i first saw the movie, i disliked him however the more i watch the movie the more I see what Zack is doing and am ok with his performance and where they are heading with the character.

2 movies in and DCEU is already light years ahead of where Marvel was 2 movies in. Nuff said.
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4:22PM on 07/14/2016
I just seen it and was suprised how much I liked it, given the bad Reviews. And I was no fan of Man of Steel either! But this one just offered more than those heavy Jesus Symbolik, bland to unlikeable characters (Pa Kent) and Bay-ish Destruction porn of Man of Steel. Maybe even a bit too much, therefore the movie was all over the place. But hey, it offered some epic Moments, eye candy galore, a badass Batman and a spot on Wonder Woman. It was even a bit more fun (thanks to Jeremy Irons Alfred)
I just seen it and was suprised how much I liked it, given the bad Reviews. And I was no fan of Man of Steel either! But this one just offered more than those heavy Jesus Symbolik, bland to unlikeable characters (Pa Kent) and Bay-ish Destruction porn of Man of Steel. Maybe even a bit too much, therefore the movie was all over the place. But hey, it offered some epic Moments, eye candy galore, a badass Batman and a spot on Wonder Woman. It was even a bit more fun (thanks to Jeremy Irons Alfred) and despite some shortcomings and IMO a really terrible Lex Luthor it was a nice start into the DC universe. Canīt wait to see Dawn of Justice.
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4:09PM on 07/14/2016

Finally

I've been waiting for this Unpopular Opinion. It's the first thing that came to mind when I saw the hate pouring in for this movie and I absolutely loved it. And I'll be honest, I hated Man of Steel. I kept falling asleep at every attempt to watch it. BvS just touched me emotionally, and YES Henry made me care about his Superman. I thought Henry and Amy's chemistry felt real. I loved Affleck's batman. We needed the serious real world take after the quipy Marvel movies. I agree with everything
I've been waiting for this Unpopular Opinion. It's the first thing that came to mind when I saw the hate pouring in for this movie and I absolutely loved it. And I'll be honest, I hated Man of Steel. I kept falling asleep at every attempt to watch it. BvS just touched me emotionally, and YES Henry made me care about his Superman. I thought Henry and Amy's chemistry felt real. I loved Affleck's batman. We needed the serious real world take after the quipy Marvel movies. I agree with everything this article said.
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4:23PM on 07/14/2016
Amen to that.
Amen to that.
3:14PM on 07/14/2016
This article is well done and I agree. I'd give BvS an 8/10. I enjoyed it. Sure it has faults, but overall I thought it was bold and different (from the boring Marvel formula). Plus I like the darker style and loved Gadot as WW and Affleck as Batman.
This article is well done and I agree. I'd give BvS an 8/10. I enjoyed it. Sure it has faults, but overall I thought it was bold and different (from the boring Marvel formula). Plus I like the darker style and loved Gadot as WW and Affleck as Batman.
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1:47PM on 07/14/2016

Disagree

I liked Snyder's Superman, and hoped to like this, but it was a mess. I watched it and when it was over, I had no desire to ever watch it again. In fact it felt like I had wasted my time. Not because it was dark. I like dark. It was just bad. I wasn't a Superman movie or a Batman movie. I couldn't tell you what it was, or why. And don't even get me started on Lex Luthor. I am holding on to hope for Suicide Squad. It looks like it could be really good, but Batman v Superman was just
I liked Snyder's Superman, and hoped to like this, but it was a mess. I watched it and when it was over, I had no desire to ever watch it again. In fact it felt like I had wasted my time. Not because it was dark. I like dark. It was just bad. I wasn't a Superman movie or a Batman movie. I couldn't tell you what it was, or why. And don't even get me started on Lex Luthor. I am holding on to hope for Suicide Squad. It looks like it could be really good, but Batman v Superman was just joyless.
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5:12PM on 07/14/2016
G8 B8 M8 8/8
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1:08PM on 07/14/2016
I really enjoyed the movie. My biggest beef would be the final battle with Abomination (a.k.a Doomsday). It needed less energy blasts and more fisticuffs. I mean yeah, Bats can't do a lot other than use his Kryptonite gas, but Superman and Wonderwoman could have gone a bit more hand to hand. It's one thing I loved about the Hulk vs Abomination fight, it felt like a fight. That's the only thing I would change about the final battle.
I really enjoyed the movie. My biggest beef would be the final battle with Abomination (a.k.a Doomsday). It needed less energy blasts and more fisticuffs. I mean yeah, Bats can't do a lot other than use his Kryptonite gas, but Superman and Wonderwoman could have gone a bit more hand to hand. It's one thing I loved about the Hulk vs Abomination fight, it felt like a fight. That's the only thing I would change about the final battle.
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5:13PM on 07/14/2016
Agreed. The final battle should have had less Explosion blasts from Doomsday and more Fisticuffs as you put it. I would've loved to have seen supes take some massive damage and have his suit torn etc, but minor quible.
Agreed. The final battle should have had less Explosion blasts from Doomsday and more Fisticuffs as you put it. I would've loved to have seen supes take some massive damage and have his suit torn etc, but minor quible.
12:38PM on 07/14/2016
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I agree with Alex Maidy! Light the beacons!!!



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Ultimate Edition is the movie I wanted. I wouldn't cut a thing.
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12:10PM on 07/14/2016
I didn't hate the movie, but I also wasn't thrilled with it. My biggest problem is that they tried to do too much. They tried to give us Civil War, but the film couldn't handle the multitude of characters. Bruce Wayne/Batman is great, much to my surprise that Ben Affleck delivered, but the Superman here just isn't all that interesting. Wonder Woman is wasted as little more than a tease for her character. Lex Luthor is ho-hum as a villain, crazy yes (a characterization I actually liked), but his
I didn't hate the movie, but I also wasn't thrilled with it. My biggest problem is that they tried to do too much. They tried to give us Civil War, but the film couldn't handle the multitude of characters. Bruce Wayne/Batman is great, much to my surprise that Ben Affleck delivered, but the Superman here just isn't all that interesting. Wonder Woman is wasted as little more than a tease for her character. Lex Luthor is ho-hum as a villain, crazy yes (a characterization I actually liked), but his story seems to make little sense. There are so many plot threads and themes at play here, it over-complicates the film and none of these really stand out like they should. I wanted to like the film more than I did, but I mostly just found myself bored. Even the fight between the two wasn't as great as it was teased to be.
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11:41AM on 07/14/2016
Great film. Liked it in the theater, LOVE the Ultimate Edition. Supes/ Clark is so much more fleshed out that it brings a really great balance to the story all while portraying Batman as a type of misguided villain. Looking forward to see how Suicide Squad takes the events further and plants another batch of seeds in this universe.
Great film. Liked it in the theater, LOVE the Ultimate Edition. Supes/ Clark is so much more fleshed out that it brings a really great balance to the story all while portraying Batman as a type of misguided villain. Looking forward to see how Suicide Squad takes the events further and plants another batch of seeds in this universe.
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11:24AM on 07/14/2016

I liked it

I think the darkness, the themes are very much in tune with our times. The fantasy, the old timey comic book super heroes seem to reflect a modern angst of xenophobia and hopelessness that permeates the world today. And that is uncomfortable as heck for people looking for some fun action packed escapism. But for what it is, it works for me. It did not surpass my expectations, so I suppose I COULD be disappointed with it. But I am not. I was very open for the film and found way more good
I think the darkness, the themes are very much in tune with our times. The fantasy, the old timey comic book super heroes seem to reflect a modern angst of xenophobia and hopelessness that permeates the world today. And that is uncomfortable as heck for people looking for some fun action packed escapism. But for what it is, it works for me. It did not surpass my expectations, so I suppose I COULD be disappointed with it. But I am not. I was very open for the film and found way more good than bad in it. I LOVED Ben Affleck's portrayal as Bruce Wayne/Batman. It felt genuine.
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10:54AM on 07/14/2016

This movie...

was really good. I don't understand the low rating, but it seems pretty strange all the people who made new accounts on Rotten Tomatoes just to give this movie a rating and never to be seen from again. Anyhow, this movie was slow in some parts, but I thought it was good. I loved pretty much all the Batman stuff, and Wonder Woman came out fantastic. The only things I didn't like were Lex Luthor, who seemed more like a crazy teenager than a genius villain and the fact that Superman died in
was really good. I don't understand the low rating, but it seems pretty strange all the people who made new accounts on Rotten Tomatoes just to give this movie a rating and never to be seen from again. Anyhow, this movie was slow in some parts, but I thought it was good. I loved pretty much all the Batman stuff, and Wonder Woman came out fantastic. The only things I didn't like were Lex Luthor, who seemed more like a crazy teenager than a genius villain and the fact that Superman died in only his 2nd movie of the franchise (even though we know he comes back). In some sense, I feel like they tried to do too much with this movie, but in no world should a quality movie like this be rated so low.
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10:54AM on 07/14/2016
Overall this movie was surprisingly great. The only real weak link was Lex Luthor. As a kind of hipster doofus, it was really difficult to take him as a serious nemesis to Superman or Batman, and it felt like he was trying to out-Heath Ledger in his performance. Other than that it was a lot of fun, much better than Man of Steel I thought.

I'm hoping the extended cut isn't just more Lex Luthor, that wouldn't better the film any.
Overall this movie was surprisingly great. The only real weak link was Lex Luthor. As a kind of hipster doofus, it was really difficult to take him as a serious nemesis to Superman or Batman, and it felt like he was trying to out-Heath Ledger in his performance. Other than that it was a lot of fun, much better than Man of Steel I thought.

I'm hoping the extended cut isn't just more Lex Luthor, that wouldn't better the film any.
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10:51AM on 07/14/2016

Great film

I personally loved the film. Yes it has its faults but so does every film. I equally enjoy the lighter tone of Marvel films but for DC I think the dark tine works.
I personally loved the film. Yes it has its faults but so does every film. I equally enjoy the lighter tone of Marvel films but for DC I think the dark tine works.
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10:49AM on 07/14/2016

Well said.

I don't get the hate other than 'it's not a Marvel clone'. Was it perfect? No, it's not Citizen Kane, But it's still a good movie. The extended edition really helps flesh out Lex JR's machinations setting up Superman.

One thing about the article, remind people it's Lex Luthor's SON, it's not supposed to be the original Lex. I actually liked Jesse's annoying, Aspergery, modern tech start up CEO persona. It fits the times we live in.

PTSD Batman was spot on -a great take on what a older
I don't get the hate other than 'it's not a Marvel clone'. Was it perfect? No, it's not Citizen Kane, But it's still a good movie. The extended edition really helps flesh out Lex JR's machinations setting up Superman.

One thing about the article, remind people it's Lex Luthor's SON, it's not supposed to be the original Lex. I actually liked Jesse's annoying, Aspergery, modern tech start up CEO persona. It fits the times we live in.

PTSD Batman was spot on -a great take on what a older seasoned Batman may be like - with a great character arc. WW actually seemed interesting and mysterious. Sure Doomsday was a typical Snyder over CGI'd monster mess with too little setup, but he served his purpose.

Overall it was a difficult task and somehow they pulled it off pretty well, despite everyone wanting a Marvel clone with action every 15 minutes with half a dozen one liners.

The first half while slow has almost a film noir like tone to it.
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10:43AM on 07/14/2016

Definitely nowhere near the level of garbage of Fantastic Four (2015), Spider-Man 3, or The Amazing Spider-Man 2

It's funny, when Marvel makes a dud (Iron Man 2, Avengers 2) no one really complains on such an extensive level compared to when DC messes up. BvS was littered with issues, but this ongoing complaint of being too dark is utterly ridiculous. DC is attempting to set themselves apart from Marvel/Disney's more family friendly approach to their characters. Suicide Squad looks like the perfect blend of what WB should have probably opened their cinematic universe with, instead of the forgettable Man
It's funny, when Marvel makes a dud (Iron Man 2, Avengers 2) no one really complains on such an extensive level compared to when DC messes up. BvS was littered with issues, but this ongoing complaint of being too dark is utterly ridiculous. DC is attempting to set themselves apart from Marvel/Disney's more family friendly approach to their characters. Suicide Squad looks like the perfect blend of what WB should have probably opened their cinematic universe with, instead of the forgettable Man of Steel. I really hope they find their footing with SS next month, and Wonder Woman and Justice League next year.
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10:54AM on 07/14/2016
Agreed people don't seem to hate on Marvel's films to the same extent. Marvel has had its share bad films (Thor, Thor 2, Iron man 2, Avengers 2).
Agreed people don't seem to hate on Marvel's films to the same extent. Marvel has had its share bad films (Thor, Thor 2, Iron man 2, Avengers 2).
10:58AM on 07/14/2016
@GR-44_Benny - I don't agree about any of the films you claim are bad Marvel films. If you had said Iron Man 3 was bad I would wholeheartedly agree. The movies you mentioned, while not being great, were still good superhero movies. In the same light, BvS was not great but good and could have been epic. I think it deserves far more respect than it gets.
@GR-44_Benny - I don't agree about any of the films you claim are bad Marvel films. If you had said Iron Man 3 was bad I would wholeheartedly agree. The movies you mentioned, while not being great, were still good superhero movies. In the same light, BvS was not great but good and could have been epic. I think it deserves far more respect than it gets.
10:58AM on 07/14/2016
I don't have as high of hopes for SS as most people. The characters are not that familiar and I'm not fan of Ayer.I do hope it's good and I'm wrong.

Really hoping WW turns out well. I liked how they handled her.
I don't have as high of hopes for SS as most people. The characters are not that familiar and I'm not fan of Ayer.I do hope it's good and I'm wrong.

Really hoping WW turns out well. I liked how they handled her.
10:36AM on 07/14/2016
As much as fulfilling the Extended Cut is, it is way too long. I'm surprised that the Theatrical Cut is more straight to the point than Extended Cut without feeling anything left out. In fact, it could even be shorter than the Theatrical Cut. That's the only downfall of this movie for me as well.
As much as fulfilling the Extended Cut is, it is way too long. I'm surprised that the Theatrical Cut is more straight to the point than Extended Cut without feeling anything left out. In fact, it could even be shorter than the Theatrical Cut. That's the only downfall of this movie for me as well.
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10:52AM on 07/14/2016
What would you cut in your opinion? I felt the extended version really fleshed out Lex's plans much better. I'm not sure what you could cut and still make the movie make sense.

Maybe the mountain top scene? The training montage? I'm not sure but the editing is a legit criticism of this movie.
What would you cut in your opinion? I felt the extended version really fleshed out Lex's plans much better. I'm not sure what you could cut and still make the movie make sense.

Maybe the mountain top scene? The training montage? I'm not sure but the editing is a legit criticism of this movie.
11:15AM on 07/14/2016
The Extended Cut does reveal Lex's plan fully like you said. I'd cut out some of Bruce Wayne's training montage and his personal agony scene, some of the Party Scene, most of Lexcorp scenes and Clark Kent's soul-searching scene. Personally I'd put Bruce's Nightmare Vision as After credits.
The Extended Cut does reveal Lex's plan fully like you said. I'd cut out some of Bruce Wayne's training montage and his personal agony scene, some of the Party Scene, most of Lexcorp scenes and Clark Kent's soul-searching scene. Personally I'd put Bruce's Nightmare Vision as After credits.
11:37AM on 07/14/2016
After the credits? That's not a bad idea. I understand why it was where it was to help establish Batman's fear of Superman. After the credits he's changed his tune on Supes so I'm not sure it would fit as well. The Stephenwolf scene could have made a nice after the credits scene.

I think you have some good ideas.
After the credits? That's not a bad idea. I understand why it was where it was to help establish Batman's fear of Superman. After the credits he's changed his tune on Supes so I'm not sure it would fit as well. The Stephenwolf scene could have made a nice after the credits scene.

I think you have some good ideas.
11:45AM on 07/14/2016
True. It does support Batman's fear of Superman but it's very out of place and maybe out of context a bit. The Nightmare scene would have been a great After Credits scene ending with overview shot of Darkseid's Omega sign.
True. It does support Batman's fear of Superman but it's very out of place and maybe out of context a bit. The Nightmare scene would have been a great After Credits scene ending with overview shot of Darkseid's Omega sign.
10:53PM on 07/14/2016
I agree. I remember walking out of the theater thinking "that should either have been 30 minutes longer or 30 minutes shorter".
I agree. I remember walking out of the theater thinking "that should either have been 30 minutes longer or 30 minutes shorter".
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10:20AM on 07/14/2016
Please, stop reminding us that this film exists.
Please, stop reminding us that this film exists.
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10:51AM on 07/14/2016
Speak for yourself. I liked this movie - there is no "us," only the people that like it and don't like it. Marvel fanboys need to calm down.
Speak for yourself. I liked this movie - there is no "us," only the people that like it and don't like it. Marvel fanboys need to calm down.
10:55AM on 07/14/2016
No kidding Coldsum. Unless it's a Marvel clone, it sucks. If it was a Marvel clone, everyone would pile on as well.
No kidding Coldsum. Unless it's a Marvel clone, it sucks. If it was a Marvel clone, everyone would pile on as well.
1:00PM on 07/14/2016
Or please stop posting about hating the film in a thread talking about liking it.
Or please stop posting about hating the film in a thread talking about liking it.
5:26PM on 07/14/2016
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