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Simon Kinberg talks X-Men: Apocalypse, Gambit and The Fantastic Four

Jul. 23, 2014by:

In a recent interview with Latino-Review, screenwriter Simon Kinberg talked in-depth about two of FOX's upcoming comic book movies, X-MEN: APOCALYPSE and Josh Trank's THE FANTASTIC FOUR.

Since most of you don't seem too thrilled about THE FANTASTIC FOUR, we'll start with X-MEN stuff first. Simon Kinberg was asked to compare FOX's X-MEN movies to Marvel's phase structure.

The answer is we really do think more broadly than one movie at a time. We think about it in sort of two ways – one is the global and one is the personal.We think about these X-MEN movies as spread over – X-MEN: FIRST CLASS, DAYS OF FUTURE PAST to APOCALYPSE was imagined as a trilogy for us. It’s the Origin stories in some ways of Charles, Raven, Hank and Eric and we will be settling things up in APOCALYPSE that will be generating new stories. We look at it globally as to where to mutants fit into the world. That’s why we jump from the 60’s to the 70’s and now the 80’s. We really want to be able to track the progression of the world and where do mutants fit in that world. It’s a pretty radical thing to do in any movie but certainly in a superhero franchise where you are jumping a decade each time you make a film. The reason that it is globally is that we wanted to be able to track the impact of mutants and the emergence of mutants into the world. Personally, we are very clear from the beginning as to how Charles, Eric and Raven especially dovetail, duck and weave in and out of each others lives. We were building, in some ways, a trilogy that is a story of three people; a brother, a little sister and another man who comes, in some ways, as a brother and how that sister leaves with the new brother. The war for that sisters’ soul between these two men defines FIRST CLASS, DAYS OF FUTURE PAST and APOCALYPSE. That’s a larger story we are telling even though each of those films is its own coherent and complete film. You can look at the arc of those three characters almost like a television show arcing over three complete episodes.

Last month we learned X-MEN: APOCALYPSE will be set in the 1980s, and like X-MEN: FIRST CLASS and X-MEN: DAYS OF FUTURE PAST, Simon Kinberg says the upcoming film will also "take advantage of the historical context" of the time period.

Simon Kinberg was also asked if Gambit will be introduced in a team movie like APOCALYPSE, or in a solo film.

I genuinely don’t know the answer to that question. It’s something we are all talking about whether it would be good for Gambit to be in a mainline X-MEN movie or he would be in his own stand-alone movie potentially one day to be able to be in another X-MEN movie after his Gambit movie introduces him. I really don’t know the answer. I don’t think there is a hard and fast rule which way is better. I think both ways have worked and I think actually the real question will be is there a role that is strong and specific enough for Gambit in a mainline X-MEN movie whether it be APOCALYPSE or future X-MEN movie that would be the right way to introduce the character. You don’t want to stick characters in these movies and manufacture something for them to do. You want the movie to tell you that it needs another character or ideally it needs this specific character.

Simon Kinberg went on to talk a little about the Four Horsemen in X-MEN: APOCALYPSE.

I will tell you this and obviously there are a lot of different versions of the Horseman over the books, and this will not reveal any of the identities so I apologize in advance. I will let you know that our choosing of the Horseman was something that we, Bryan and myself took very, very seriously and did only after an exhaustive review of all the different Horseman, both in the comics and the cartoons who have at one point or another fallen under Apocalypse.

Moving on to THE FANTASTIC FOUR, Kinberg says there won't be anything from the reboot at this year's SDCC.

No, I can definitively officially tell you that there will not be anything from Fantastic Four at this year’s Comic Con. We are still very much in the middle of shooting and we don’t want to show anything until it’s ready and it’s not ready yet. We want the first stuff that we show from the film to really blow people away, and it will but we have got to wait until it’s ready. We are hopefully going to be refining the way the people see the Fantastic Four movies. There are so many things we are doing different from the previous film and so many things different from other comic books films. When we really step forward we want it to be with our best foot forward. Instead of rushing something together for the Con we’d rather really wait until we have that perfect first image, perfect first sequence and first scene to show people. And I know that there’s a lot of people that think that’s the big surprise from Fox this year at the Con and knowing that I’m talking to a reporter and I’m going on record that I’m saying unfortunately that will not be a surprise for the fans of Comic-Con this year. Obviously the Comic-Con world is incredible important to Fantastic Four and because of that we want to give them the best version of what we are making.

However, Simon Kinberg does say THE FANTASTIC FOUR could end up being showcased at a different event, like the New York Comic Con or WonderCon. The screenwriter goes on to say he would love to see The Fantastic Four and X-Men team up on the big screen, but it'll be a difficult task.

I would love to see the X-MEN and FANTASTIC FOUR team up if only because I’m a fan and certainly it’s something we’ve thought about and talked about. The challenge is that they essentially live in different universes. In the X-Men world of the movies we never hear them talk about a famous super team called the FANTASTIC FOUR and in the FANTASTIC FOUR movie they are fantastic because they are the only ones of their kind meaning there aren’t other people with super powers on the streets. The FANTASTIC FOUR are in this movie are the first to transform into something super powerful. So given that they exist in these different domains or dimensions there are some inherent challenges. Part of the fun of working in this realm is trying to overcome those challenges and try to figure out how you can bridge the gaps between different worlds and different dimensions.

Finally, Kinberg addressed Kate Mara's recent comments about how THE FANTASTIC FOUR's plot won't be based on any of the Marvel comics.

I actually think that this Fantastic Four movie is sort of a celebration of all the Fantastic Four comics that have preceded it. We have elements from the original Fantastic Four that there’s a sort of optimism and inspirational quality to the film. In some ways a comedy that was really distinct in the original Fantastic Four. Also, the notion of this dysfunctional surrogate family that comes together and has to work together is very present in the movie that owes a great debt to the originals. And this idea that they are scientist and that it’s almost like this science adventure, more than being superheroes, they are almost like scientific adventurers, that’s a big part of the movie too. We also owe a lot to the Ultimate’s and the current crop of Fantastic Four comics and you’ll see that. I don’t want to give anything away but you will see it in the details and a lot of the story telling. It’s really sort of inspired by all the different history of the Fantastic Four comics. I think what Kate meant, and I read that comment, I think what she meant which was right is that it’s not based on any one run. Days of Future Past was obviously based on Days of Future Past comic run and that was something that I could easily give the actors to read and they’d know the whole story. In this case because we are really snatching details, story lines, moments, action sequences from across the whole gambit of the decades of Fantastic Four, there isn’t one comic that defines the movie.

Lots of interesting stuff from Simon Kinberg. Although I'm not worried at all about X-MEN: APOCALYPSE, I'm pretty concerned about what the filmmakers might be doing with THE FANTASTIC FOUR. However, we haven't seen a damn thing from it yet, nor do we know exactly what will be going on in the film, so all we can do at this point is hope for the best and prepare for the worst. I may not like some of the plans for the reboot, but I do have my fingers crossed Josh Trank will surprise many of us with THE FANTASTIC FOUR.

THE FANTASTIC FOUR will be in theaters on June 19, 2015, and X-MEN: APOCALYPSE will be released on May 27, 2016.

Source: Latino-Review

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4:42AM on 07/24/2014
Sounds like Kinberg has a great plan for the Fox-Marvel movies moving forward. I'm glad that he and Lauren Shuler Donner have their shit together.
Sounds like Kinberg has a great plan for the Fox-Marvel movies moving forward. I'm glad that he and Lauren Shuler Donner have their shit together.
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12:58AM on 07/24/2014
Not a fan of setting the X-Men movies in certain time periods, loses the timelessness of the characters.
Not a fan of setting the X-Men movies in certain time periods, loses the timelessness of the characters.
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12:42AM on 07/24/2014

way to contradict yourself Simon Kinberg.

maybe im reading the context weird... but

first he talks about how important the Prof. X / Mystique / Magento relationship is to DoFP, then he says that he could give the DoFP comics to actors and they'd know the whole story.

i don't believe any of that troubled Jennifer Lawrence bullshit is in the comics.
maybe im reading the context weird... but

first he talks about how important the Prof. X / Mystique / Magento relationship is to DoFP, then he says that he could give the DoFP comics to actors and they'd know the whole story.

i don't believe any of that troubled Jennifer Lawrence bullshit is in the comics.
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10:05PM on 07/23/2014

I wish people would avoid these films like the plague

That way the rights could revert back to Marvel, and we could get all the Marvel heroes under one (studio) roof. Just imagine the possibilities. Secret Wars, Civil Wars, crossovers, Infinity Gauntlet, etc etc. I hope this happens in my lifetime. The vast majority of these properties have been mediocre at best, but I'm betting Marvel would do them justice.
That way the rights could revert back to Marvel, and we could get all the Marvel heroes under one (studio) roof. Just imagine the possibilities. Secret Wars, Civil Wars, crossovers, Infinity Gauntlet, etc etc. I hope this happens in my lifetime. The vast majority of these properties have been mediocre at best, but I'm betting Marvel would do them justice.
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7:07PM on 07/23/2014
Hey guys remember the climax of DofP when 1 robot shoots bullets at parked cars and the X-Men are completely powerless to stop it? And then everyone talks and the movie ends?
Hey guys remember the climax of DofP when 1 robot shoots bullets at parked cars and the X-Men are completely powerless to stop it? And then everyone talks and the movie ends?
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4:05PM on 07/23/2014
It's not like he's talking out of his arse. It's like he's a giant arsehole that can talk...and has no idea what he/it is talking about.
It's not like he's talking out of his arse. It's like he's a giant arsehole that can talk...and has no idea what he/it is talking about.
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1:43PM on 07/23/2014
That last pic of THIng and Wolvy begs the question...can't Marvel use Wolvy in the Avengers since he is a big part of that team as well? LIke they doin with Quicksilver and Witch? I mean they both can use Quick and Witch, then why not Wolvy or other characters who are on both teams?!!!
That last pic of THIng and Wolvy begs the question...can't Marvel use Wolvy in the Avengers since he is a big part of that team as well? LIke they doin with Quicksilver and Witch? I mean they both can use Quick and Witch, then why not Wolvy or other characters who are on both teams?!!!
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2:07PM on 07/23/2014
well his charcter is contractually obligated to FOX while Quick and Witch are in a shared grey area where they can both be used but cannot mention the flip side of whatever version they are in. So for FOX Silver cant mention the Avengers and for marvel version he cant mention his father or the xmen.
well his charcter is contractually obligated to FOX while Quick and Witch are in a shared grey area where they can both be used but cannot mention the flip side of whatever version they are in. So for FOX Silver cant mention the Avengers and for marvel version he cant mention his father or the xmen.
12:39AM on 07/24/2014
^ what this dude said. i believe the Fox and Marvel lawyers actually sat down like comic book nerds and went through a list of characters to list who gets who. Fox obviously called for 100% of Wolverine off the bat.
^ what this dude said. i believe the Fox and Marvel lawyers actually sat down like comic book nerds and went through a list of characters to list who gets who. Fox obviously called for 100% of Wolverine off the bat.
12:17PM on 07/23/2014
"A celebration of the Fantastic Four comics that preceded it..."

Funny, I celebrate my birthday by just completely ignoring it, too!
"A celebration of the Fantastic Four comics that preceded it..."

Funny, I celebrate my birthday by just completely ignoring it, too!
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12:19PM on 07/23/2014
Lol!
Lol!
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11:33AM on 07/23/2014

Really?

"You dont want to stick characters in these movies and manufacture something for them to do."

Like, for instance, Singer stating he really wanted Quicksilver in his movie, so they manufactured a scene for him? Cool scene but pointless to the movie. Don't try to tell me you don't throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks. They obviously are with Fantastic Four.
"You dont want to stick characters in these movies and manufacture something for them to do."

Like, for instance, Singer stating he really wanted Quicksilver in his movie, so they manufactured a scene for him? Cool scene but pointless to the movie. Don't try to tell me you don't throw shit at the wall and hope it sticks. They obviously are with Fantastic Four.
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2:03PM on 07/23/2014
yeah totally pointless, I mean why would they have to break magneto out of prison, I mean they could have figured out how to have the movie without him right? UGH wth are you talking about?
yeah totally pointless, I mean why would they have to break magneto out of prison, I mean they could have figured out how to have the movie without him right? UGH wth are you talking about?
3:07PM on 07/23/2014
Pointless as in you could have a number of other mutants/people break him out. He was not central to anything in the plot of the movie.
Pointless as in you could have a number of other mutants/people break him out. He was not central to anything in the plot of the movie.
7:00PM on 07/23/2014
I agree with you totally. Quicksilver was a set piece then vanishes entirely.
I agree with you totally. Quicksilver was a set piece then vanishes entirely.
11:26AM on 07/23/2014
I'm so conflicted about X-Men. I feel there are moments of genius throughout the franchise - Nightcrawler's White House scene, Quicksilver's jailbreak scene - and I genuinely enjoy them. On the other hand I feel things are a little muddled at this stage and it would be nice to get a fresh take after a few years break. I have little doubt that I'll enjoy Apocolypse, but I would be excited if I heard they were tying up the story and patting themselves on the back for a damn good stab at it,
I'm so conflicted about X-Men. I feel there are moments of genius throughout the franchise - Nightcrawler's White House scene, Quicksilver's jailbreak scene - and I genuinely enjoy them. On the other hand I feel things are a little muddled at this stage and it would be nice to get a fresh take after a few years break. I have little doubt that I'll enjoy Apocolypse, but I would be excited if I heard they were tying up the story and patting themselves on the back for a damn good stab at it, with talk of a reboot down the line.
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11:35AM on 07/23/2014
For the eventual reboot, I want the storyline to focus on a young Scott Summers and Jean Grey that eventually leads to Mr. Sinister.

Start completely from the beginning and start from there.
For the eventual reboot, I want the storyline to focus on a young Scott Summers and Jean Grey that eventually leads to Mr. Sinister.

Start completely from the beginning and start from there.
11:52AM on 07/23/2014
As a kid Cyclops was my favourite. He was criminally underused throughout the franchise (don't talk to me about X3). Another thing that didn't sit well for me and still doesn't is that however much I like Wolverine he is NOT the center of the X-Men universe. Would be nice to se these things rectified in a fresh take but that's a long way off. Still it's fantastic that we get these characters at all. There are those conflicted feelings again.
As a kid Cyclops was my favourite. He was criminally underused throughout the franchise (don't talk to me about X3). Another thing that didn't sit well for me and still doesn't is that however much I like Wolverine he is NOT the center of the X-Men universe. Would be nice to se these things rectified in a fresh take but that's a long way off. Still it's fantastic that we get these characters at all. There are those conflicted feelings again.
11:08AM on 07/23/2014
"We also owe a lot to the Ultimates"

That is why you fail.
"We also owe a lot to the Ultimates"

That is why you fail.
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10:14AM on 07/23/2014
Can't wait for Apocalypse after seeing Days of Future Past correct the timeline and fix the franchise.

And when it comes to introducing Gambit, I say you re-introduce the character in Apocalypse and then give the character his own solo origins film.
Can't wait for Apocalypse after seeing Days of Future Past correct the timeline and fix the franchise.

And when it comes to introducing Gambit, I say you re-introduce the character in Apocalypse and then give the character his own solo origins film.
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10:18AM on 07/23/2014
Gambit sucks. He does not need his own feature. So many better characters who should get a solo film before his annoying ass.
Gambit sucks. He does not need his own feature. So many better characters who should get a solo film before his annoying ass.
10:24AM on 07/23/2014
That's why I possibly suggested he be in Apocalypse as a supporting role first then maybe being the full lead in his own film.

Gambit has always been one of my favorite X-Men characters, so I can't agree with you that he sucks. But I do kind of wish we were getting other solo origin films along with his for other X-Men characters such as Cyclops and/or Deadpool.
That's why I possibly suggested he be in Apocalypse as a supporting role first then maybe being the full lead in his own film.

Gambit has always been one of my favorite X-Men characters, so I can't agree with you that he sucks. But I do kind of wish we were getting other solo origin films along with his for other X-Men characters such as Cyclops and/or Deadpool.
11:14AM on 07/23/2014
Days of Future past was great but created more plot holes than fixed (despite plugging up a few). It did NOT fix the timeline.
Days of Future past was great but created more plot holes than fixed (despite plugging up a few). It did NOT fix the timeline.
4:10PM on 07/23/2014
You have way too much faith in Singer and Fox.
You have way too much faith in Singer and Fox.
3:27PM on 07/24/2014
why not have faith in singer? dofp was great. no matter what happens with this franchise your a fanboy who will never be satisfied
why not have faith in singer? dofp was great. no matter what happens with this franchise your a fanboy who will never be satisfied
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10:03AM on 07/23/2014
What's with the "different" and "stepping forward" ? I wonder.... Is F4 going to be a found footage movie or is gonna have found footage parts?
What's with the "different" and "stepping forward" ? I wonder.... Is F4 going to be a found footage movie or is gonna have found footage parts?
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