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The World's End actor Simon Pegg has some colorful things to say about Star Trek and Star Wars

Aug. 21, 2013by: Paul Shirey

Actor Simon Pegg has slowly become a household name and kind of a beacon for geeks everywhere throughout the years. Starting with the British show Spaced he began to make his persona known and after Edgar Wright's SHAUN OF THE DEAD it was all over. Since that time Pegg has appeared in a number of roles, large and small, that have solidified his place as every bit the cultural icon that he has grown up worshipping himself. Starring as Scotty in J.J. Abrams rebooted STAR TREK franchise and finishing out Wright's Three Flavours Cornetto trilogy this month with THE WORLD'S END, the prolific actor talked with Huffington Post about his passion for STAR WARS and disdain for STAR TREK haters, using some choice and colorful words.

On the hate from STAR TREK fans and a recent convention poll that rated the latest adventure as the worst, Pegg said:

"I think they haven't had time to live with it. They haven't had time to review it. I think there's a degree of stuck-in-the-mud -- there's a faction within the "Star Trek" community of kind of like, "Well, I don't want to watch anything anymore." Which is fine. And, absolutely, they are entitled to that. You know, it's not for them, really. It's kind of for everyone."

On why he thinks some TREK fans are so beligerent about the franchise:

"I think it's like when you tire of an indie band that you love because, suddenly, they get a number one single. You don't necessarily start disliking their music, but you stop liking them because you're pissed off that they're famous, or whatever. "Star Trek Into Darkness" is the most successful "Star Trek" movie ever made. It is, in terms of what it took at the box office and how many people went to see it. More people saw that film than any iteration of "Star Trek" that existed before. That is probably slightly annoying to some "Star Trek" fans -- which I totally understand."

His response to those who think INTO DARKNESS is the worst of the franchise:

"...And you know what ... it absolutely isn't the worst "Star Trek" movie. It's asinine, you know? It's ridiculous. And frustrating, as well, because a lot of hard work and love went into that movie, and all J.J. wanted to do was make a film that people really enjoyed. So, to be subject to that level of sort of, like, crass fucking ire, I just say fuck you. Not you, but the people who said that. It's also that thing, as I say, that it hasn't been around long enough. It's the newest one. It's the one people least recognize. If you look back at things you really love, there's a big list: The things that you've got to re-watch and enjoy, they are going to be more up there. The thing that you know the least will be at the bottom. So it might be that, too, you know?"

On his love/hate relationship with STAR WARS:

"I don't hate "Star Wars." I love "Star Wars." "Star Wars" is an incredibly formative film for me as a human being and formed so much of who I am. It encouraged a love of classical music in me, because of the score. It encouraged literature and language and my imagination. It formed who I was as a child and it was something that I was incredibly passionate about. The prequels I didn't like at all, because they felt contrary to everything that made the first films great. When I was a kid, I was very protective of "Star Wars." When "The Black Hole" came out, some kids were going on that it was better than "Star Wars," I said, "No, it fucking isn't!" It upset me that they would say that."

On his disdain for the prequels and how it could affect him being in the next STAR WARS film:

"I think, then, because I was so impassioned about "Star Wars" I was the most offended by its sort of portrayal of its own ideals. The very talents of Lucas's creative process were thrown out. There's footage of him talking about special effects were a tool to tell a story. And then he makes films where it's just special effects. And I've been very outspoken about that. So I think for me to suddenly go running back to "Star Wars" would be an act of massive hypocrisy."

We're all big fans of Pegg in these parts and it's always interesting to hear him talk about these types of properties. I think some will take offense to his comments about those that hate the new STAR TREK, but I think it's important to keep in mind that Pegg is every bit a fan of these films as we are. He's "one of us" in that sense and I think it's refreshing that he expresses himself as such, rather than giving vanilla answers. Pegg speaks like a fan and as a professional, which I dig.

Pegg will next be seen in THE WORLD'S END, opening this Friday (go see it!) and will be rockin' an American accent for Frank Darabont's new AMC series Mob City in December.

Extra Tidbit: Pegg was awesome as the voice of Buck in Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs. Not a great movie by any means, but Pegg steals every scene and makes is way more fun than it should've been.
Source: Huffington Post

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9:31AM on 08/23/2013
He was talking about nostalgia. There is always going to be the "they don't make movies like they used to" crowd who are going to claim that every movie that comes out is crap. In any case, Into Darkness was NOT worse than Final Frontier, Insurrection or Nemesis. People are lumping the entire ten movie run together and saying that it was better than the Abrams movies which is ridiculous.

I'd like to see more people come out and say "Fuck you" to fans. Ratner should say "Fuck you" to fans who
He was talking about nostalgia. There is always going to be the "they don't make movies like they used to" crowd who are going to claim that every movie that comes out is crap. In any case, Into Darkness was NOT worse than Final Frontier, Insurrection or Nemesis. People are lumping the entire ten movie run together and saying that it was better than the Abrams movies which is ridiculous.

I'd like to see more people come out and say "Fuck you" to fans. Ratner should say "Fuck you" to fans who criticize him over X-Men: The Last Stand because he was coming in after X-Men 2 and adapting the Dark Phoenix storyline and X-Men 3 was never going to be as good as X-Men 2 and nor was it going to be as good as the original comics run. Raimi should say "Fuck you" to fans who complain about Spiderman 3 because Spiderman 3 was never going to be as good as Spiderman 2. Nolan should say "Fuck you" to fans who complain about The Dark Knight Rises because he gave us Batman Begins and The Dark Knight and some people are just ungrateful assholes. But they won't say "Fuck you" to fans because the fans won't accept the fact that they are assholes and instead they are going to stop going to see their movies. - See more at: [link]sthash.NnReQcJ9.dpuf
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11:57PM on 08/21/2013
I love Pegg, but he lost me when he said that fans dislike Star Trek Into Darkness because, "it hasn't been around long enough. It's the newest one. It's the one people least recognize. If you look back at things you really love, there's a big list: The things that you've got to re-watch and enjoy, they are going to be more up there. The thing that you know the least will be at the bottom." I don't think this is why people disliked Into Darkness by any means. Did the majority of Batman fans
I love Pegg, but he lost me when he said that fans dislike Star Trek Into Darkness because, "it hasn't been around long enough. It's the newest one. It's the one people least recognize. If you look back at things you really love, there's a big list: The things that you've got to re-watch and enjoy, they are going to be more up there. The thing that you know the least will be at the bottom." I don't think this is why people disliked Into Darkness by any means. Did the majority of Batman fans have a hard time deeming The Dark Knight the best Batman film just because it hadn't been around long enough? Many fans have already deemed Man of Steel the best Superman film ever and Skyfall the best Bond movie ever. These are just a few examples. On the contrary, there have been movies like Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and the Star Wars prequels that are deemed the worst of their respective series' by the majority. However, Pegg's reasoning is not the answer for why this is. It just so happens that some of these movies are good, while some aren't. I think he's over complicating the issue due to his bias from having been in Into Darkness.
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12:34AM on 08/22/2013
He was talking about nostalgia. There is always going to be the "they don't make movies like they used to" crowd who are going to claim that every movie that comes out is crap. In any case, Into Darkness was NOT worse than Final Frontier, Insurrection or Nemesis. People are lumping the entire ten movie run together and saying that it was better than the Abrams movies which is ridiculous.

I'd like to see more people come out and say "Fuck you" to fans. Ratner should say "Fuck you" to fans
He was talking about nostalgia. There is always going to be the "they don't make movies like they used to" crowd who are going to claim that every movie that comes out is crap. In any case, Into Darkness was NOT worse than Final Frontier, Insurrection or Nemesis. People are lumping the entire ten movie run together and saying that it was better than the Abrams movies which is ridiculous.

I'd like to see more people come out and say "Fuck you" to fans. Ratner should say "Fuck you" to fans who criticize him over X-Men: The Last Stand because he was coming in after X-Men 2 and adapting the Dark Phoenix storyline and X-Men 3 was never going to be as good as X-Men 2 and nor was it going to be as good as the original comics run. Raimi should say "Fuck you" to fans who complain about Spiderman 3 because Spiderman 3 was never going to be as good as Spiderman 2. Nolan should say "Fuck you" to fans who complain about The Dark Knight Rises because he gave us Batman Begins and The Dark Knight and some people are just ungrateful assholes. But they won't say "Fuck you" to fans because the fans won't accept the fact that they are assholes and instead they are going to stop going to see their movies.
10:19PM on 08/21/2013
He means "stuck-in-the-Mudd" right, eh? Eh?

To me, this doesn't feel like a diva actor running his mouth, it sounds like genuine frustration that is not unfounded and that has been voiced very well.
He means "stuck-in-the-Mudd" right, eh? Eh?

To me, this doesn't feel like a diva actor running his mouth, it sounds like genuine frustration that is not unfounded and that has been voiced very well.
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9:50PM on 08/21/2013

it's an alternate universe...

I see the JJ Trek as a "What If," or "Marvel Ultimates.". Stories that exist outside the standard universe (Spock even states this in the first one).
So, I'm fine with all the changes. What annoys me is the lazy writing in STID. There were only tiny elements of Wrath of Khan in STID, and they were totally unnecessary. They were only there to put a twist into the plot, that backfired as it was intended for the diehard Trekkies, but only served to irritated the Trekkies due to the heavy
I see the JJ Trek as a "What If," or "Marvel Ultimates.". Stories that exist outside the standard universe (Spock even states this in the first one).
So, I'm fine with all the changes. What annoys me is the lazy writing in STID. There were only tiny elements of Wrath of Khan in STID, and they were totally unnecessary. They were only there to put a twist into the plot, that backfired as it was intended for the diehard Trekkies, but only served to irritated the Trekkies due to the heavy handedness of the "see what we did there" nature of them. Spock crying "Khan"? Total non-sequitor...
I mostly liked STID, with the exception of the "Khaaaan!" scene and the resolution of that scene with "immortal blood."
Having said all of that, Simon is correct on it being far from the worst, but not be cause it was the most popular...
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9:34PM on 08/21/2013

I'm a little half and half on this

In some ways, OK. His stating "going back to Star Wars would be a hypocrisy" I don't agree with, because it's no Lucas helming the film.
As for those saying it's the worst Trek movie... I agree it's not. I am disappointed it didn't go completely in its own direction and forced comparisons - especially in the third act - but it was average.
It's tough to generalize a mass collective of fans and casual viewers, so these statements become difficult to accept OR disregard.
In some ways, OK. His stating "going back to Star Wars would be a hypocrisy" I don't agree with, because it's no Lucas helming the film.
As for those saying it's the worst Trek movie... I agree it's not. I am disappointed it didn't go completely in its own direction and forced comparisons - especially in the third act - but it was average.
It's tough to generalize a mass collective of fans and casual viewers, so these statements become difficult to accept OR disregard.
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7:46PM on 08/21/2013
I agree with everything Simon Pegg said here. As someone who spent 17 months of their life watching every Star Trek series and movie in chronological order I can say that Into Darkness is far from the worst Star Trek movie ever made. Not in a world where the Motion Picture, Final Frontier, Generations and the entire series of Voyager exist. The hate put upon ST: ID is still baffling to me and why I can never fully understand or respect Trekies/Trekers.
I agree with everything Simon Pegg said here. As someone who spent 17 months of their life watching every Star Trek series and movie in chronological order I can say that Into Darkness is far from the worst Star Trek movie ever made. Not in a world where the Motion Picture, Final Frontier, Generations and the entire series of Voyager exist. The hate put upon ST: ID is still baffling to me and why I can never fully understand or respect Trekies/Trekers.
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9:32PM on 08/21/2013
Don't forget Nemesis and Insurrection. Even First Contact is at Into Darkness' level at best.

And I wasn't even a fan of Into Darkness.
Don't forget Nemesis and Insurrection. Even First Contact is at Into Darkness' level at best.

And I wasn't even a fan of Into Darkness.
1:41AM on 08/22/2013
Star Trek Final Frontier (part 5) goes down into history as the most mind baffling shitty Trek movie ever created... and I hated Insurrection and Nemesis, those were both horrible.. .but by then I had grown tired of the TNG cast, I had grown weary of Paramount NOT giving the casts of the spin off shows like DS9 their Trek movies... all we were getting was the TNG cast which proved time and time again, even in the hands of a capable director, the later TNG movies were lazy and sloppy and fans
Star Trek Final Frontier (part 5) goes down into history as the most mind baffling shitty Trek movie ever created... and I hated Insurrection and Nemesis, those were both horrible.. .but by then I had grown tired of the TNG cast, I had grown weary of Paramount NOT giving the casts of the spin off shows like DS9 their Trek movies... all we were getting was the TNG cast which proved time and time again, even in the hands of a capable director, the later TNG movies were lazy and sloppy and fans were getting really tired of the same old cast.. time after time... no Sisco, no Janway, no mention of DS9... just "lets spotlight Riker and Pickard... AGAIN".. and those films weren't particular original either.
6:47PM on 08/21/2013
Pegg and George Takei should make a movie together. :D
Pegg and George Takei should make a movie together. :D
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12:25AM on 08/22/2013
Aw, hell yeah!
Aw, hell yeah!
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6:43PM on 08/21/2013

I guess we're all a little hypocritical.

Star Trek to them is what Goodfellas or Fight Club is to all of us... A remake or re-imagining would be sacrilege.
Star Trek to them is what Goodfellas or Fight Club is to all of us... A remake or re-imagining would be sacrilege.
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5:44PM on 08/21/2013
Ha! He totally nails the essence of fanboys. They love something totally and the second it becomes popular its suddenly the biggest pile of shit on the planet.

It's not hypocrisy to hate the prequels and suddenly be in the new one, its being realistic as to what the prequels were, utter shit!
Ha! He totally nails the essence of fanboys. They love something totally and the second it becomes popular its suddenly the biggest pile of shit on the planet.

It's not hypocrisy to hate the prequels and suddenly be in the new one, its being realistic as to what the prequels were, utter shit!
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5:22PM on 08/21/2013

what the fuck..

Is up with all the bitching about plot holes? Its a movie about fucking spaceships and aliens. Sorry your space movie set thousands of years in the future doesn't make more sense to you.
Is up with all the bitching about plot holes? Its a movie about fucking spaceships and aliens. Sorry your space movie set thousands of years in the future doesn't make more sense to you.
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12:27AM on 08/22/2013
I think Star Trek always prided itself on being a little more scientific. A little tighter with its logic. So for the die-hards, that excuse doesn't fly at all.
I think Star Trek always prided itself on being a little more scientific. A little tighter with its logic. So for the die-hards, that excuse doesn't fly at all.
1:46AM on 08/22/2013
plot holes are reserved for Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 and ....STAR WARS?
ok let me tell ya there is a website dedicated to movie plot holes... it lists them, ok let me tell you this, EVERY SINGLE MOVIE ever made has plot holes... it's a simple fact of life... if you LOOK for plot holes then you will FIND plot holes, if you're able to look past that kinda stuff you'll have a better time at the movies... it started to really bother me when I was the one pointing out plot holes in movies
plot holes are reserved for Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 and ....STAR WARS?
ok let me tell ya there is a website dedicated to movie plot holes... it lists them, ok let me tell you this, EVERY SINGLE MOVIE ever made has plot holes... it's a simple fact of life... if you LOOK for plot holes then you will FIND plot holes, if you're able to look past that kinda stuff you'll have a better time at the movies... it started to really bother me when I was the one pointing out plot holes in movies ALL THE TIME... there was no end... really... so I quit... WHO EFFING cares? NOBODY.... just watch the damn movie already.
10:54AM on 08/22/2013
The goddamn motherfucking problem is when the plotholes are so big, or so dumb and easily avoidable, it's laughable they weren't caught during read-throughs/ rewrites, etc. It's a sign of lazy storytelling, and that the filmmakers did not apply any form of base logic to their film (suspension of disbelief is very different, but these two things can overlap at times).

I was discussing 'Iron Man 3' with a friend last night, and he brought up a minor plothole that I did not notice because I was
The goddamn motherfucking problem is when the plotholes are so big, or so dumb and easily avoidable, it's laughable they weren't caught during read-throughs/ rewrites, etc. It's a sign of lazy storytelling, and that the filmmakers did not apply any form of base logic to their film (suspension of disbelief is very different, but these two things can overlap at times).

I was discussing 'Iron Man 3' with a friend last night, and he brought up a minor plothole that I did not notice because I was so engrossed in everything going on. Sure, it was minor and therefore, I guess could have been considered nitpicking on his part, but it did cause me to think a bit before figuring out changing it would have very little impact on the story being told at large, and therefore logic (within the movie's universe) is still being applied.

In such films as 'Into Darkness' and 'Prometheus', every turn the story takes either creates a plothole or negates things we were already told- if they are suppose to be amazing scientists, why in the hell did that one guy act super idiotic and try to pet an unknown life form? How did the guy with the floating GPS orbs get lost?

Unfortunately, it's this sort of thing that has people complain (quite rightfully so) about plotholes. When they negate characterization or create a forced situation that makes no sense given the world the movie exists in- since we know the Federation spans the majority of the universe, and that what amounts to Skyping exists here, it's impossible to shrug off the idea that all the heads of (certain) Federation must be in one room on Earth, in person. That's such a forced contrivance and it's so obvious the movie is bending over backwards to set up the revenge factor for Kirk, it goes well beyond the typical manipulation inherit in any given artistic medium to being strained and quite noticeable, in the worst way possible.

If you are honestly too ignorant or just plain dumb-fucked retarded to not understand the difference between nitpicks/ small plotholes that assholes complain about and legitimate storytelling issues in how the cast and crew delivered X plot, please stop critiquing any works of art in any medium and resume bashing your head with a bat, as I presume that's the only way such an idiot could feel any sort of sensation.
4:56PM on 08/21/2013
Such a class act. And Into Darkness is misunderstood. Almost willfully imo. I don't think the more angry fanboys understand the context of the last act. And it's the third best Trek imo after Wrath and Undiscovered Country.
Such a class act. And Into Darkness is misunderstood. Almost willfully imo. I don't think the more angry fanboys understand the context of the last act. And it's the third best Trek imo after Wrath and Undiscovered Country.
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4:50PM on 08/21/2013
So it's alright for him to dislike the prequels, but those who are against the new Trek are 'asinine'... oooookay.
So it's alright for him to dislike the prequels, but those who are against the new Trek are 'asinine'... oooookay.
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6:23PM on 08/21/2013
I think he's talking specifically about the new movie being the worst, and the motivation behind the argument. Final Frontier - much worse movie. Insurrection - much worse movie.

If you look at the two franchises - the Fanboys of SW seem to be the biggest prequel apologists with the public deriding the films, whereas with Star Trek, the Fanboys are the biggest critics, and general audiences are at least neutral to them.
I think he's talking specifically about the new movie being the worst, and the motivation behind the argument. Final Frontier - much worse movie. Insurrection - much worse movie.

If you look at the two franchises - the Fanboys of SW seem to be the biggest prequel apologists with the public deriding the films, whereas with Star Trek, the Fanboys are the biggest critics, and general audiences are at least neutral to them.
9:35PM on 08/21/2013
Don't forget Nemesis, which is probably the worst. Seriously, there is no way that Into Darkness is worse than the one where Picard goes dune buggying for no discernible reason and Troi gets mind raped.
Don't forget Nemesis, which is probably the worst. Seriously, there is no way that Into Darkness is worse than the one where Picard goes dune buggying for no discernible reason and Troi gets mind raped.
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4:45PM on 08/21/2013
This is not the era anymore of people unanimously loving a movie. People nowadays are just too contrarian fully love anything so because of that I really don't give a shit what the "masses" think about things that I like because fuck em.
This is not the era anymore of people unanimously loving a movie. People nowadays are just too contrarian fully love anything so because of that I really don't give a shit what the "masses" think about things that I like because fuck em.
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4:27PM on 08/21/2013
I agree with all his comments including towards those that say INTO DARKNESS is the worst in the franchise. That's insanity.
I agree with all his comments including towards those that say INTO DARKNESS is the worst in the franchise. That's insanity.
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3:37PM on 08/21/2013

agree

Just based off of my "trekkie" friend's bitching and moaning, Simon hit the nail on the head. As a generality maybe this isn't the case, but in my xperience with the subject... nailed it
Just based off of my "trekkie" friend's bitching and moaning, Simon hit the nail on the head. As a generality maybe this isn't the case, but in my xperience with the subject... nailed it
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3:31PM on 08/21/2013
I'm a huge Pegg fan and all, but I hope he isn't ever even offered a role in the new Star Wars trilogy.
I'm a huge Pegg fan and all, but I hope he isn't ever even offered a role in the new Star Wars trilogy.
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4:51PM on 08/21/2013
I would have to agree with you here in regards to Pegg being cast in a Star Wars film. Just too goofy to me.
I would have to agree with you here in regards to Pegg being cast in a Star Wars film. Just too goofy to me.
5:46PM on 08/21/2013
Simon Pegg would be a goofy cast but Jar Jar is legit?
Simon Pegg would be a goofy cast but Jar Jar is legit?
7:50PM on 08/21/2013
I'm not thinking, too goofy, just too . . . everywhere.

And I am obviously in the minority from all the thumbs down. Apparently he just NEEDS to be cast in Star Wars. . .
I'm not thinking, too goofy, just too . . . everywhere.

And I am obviously in the minority from all the thumbs down. Apparently he just NEEDS to be cast in Star Wars. . .
3:26PM on 08/21/2013
"More people saw that film"?! According to his point of view,Twilight saga films must be greater films than Hot fuzz and shaun of the dead.even though i agree with some of his thoughts,i never expected these kind of half-assed,frustrated "colorful" opinions from him
"More people saw that film"?! According to his point of view,Twilight saga films must be greater films than Hot fuzz and shaun of the dead.even though i agree with some of his thoughts,i never expected these kind of half-assed,frustrated "colorful" opinions from him
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3:28PM on 08/21/2013
You are my new hero, and not just because of your kickass name!
You are my new hero, and not just because of your kickass name!
3:24PM on 08/21/2013

Spoilers! Spoilers!

First off, just because someone hates "Into Darkness" that does not make them a Trekkie. Yes, all the Trekkies I know hated it, but I hated it for being a bad action film with too many plotholes and the most insulting film to come out in many a moon. I have seen some full episodes of the original Trek show and some Next Gen, and all the movies, because some are important to pop culture ("Wrath of Khan"), and some are so bad they have to be seen to be believed (# 5 or 6. The one about the guy
First off, just because someone hates "Into Darkness" that does not make them a Trekkie. Yes, all the Trekkies I know hated it, but I hated it for being a bad action film with too many plotholes and the most insulting film to come out in many a moon. I have seen some full episodes of the original Trek show and some Next Gen, and all the movies, because some are important to pop culture ("Wrath of Khan"), and some are so bad they have to be seen to be believed (# 5 or 6. The one about the guy that believes he's a god).

Second, I love Simon Pegg as much as the next movie nerd, but damn, he's being an asshat here. I am not doubting the love and hardwork put into the movie, but that doesn't necessarily equate to talent (re: "The Room"), nor does being a box office success equate to being a legitimately good film (re: "Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen"). I think he's just too close to be able to objectively view the film and see how the forced moments from "Wrath" don't fit and how the story only makes sense when you apply anti-logic to it (in the case of a severe crisis, all the heads of an interplanetary organization must meet in a single room on Earth? Even nowadays, we can do video conferencing, Skyping, etc.) I do believe everyone tried their hardest, and the acting, especially Cumberbatch as a retardedly written character, is damned good. Unfortuantely, the writers/ producers/ director/ etc. only used Khan because of how famous he is, not because it was necessary to the story. If I write a Batman comic, where he chases down a jewel thief, then halfway through, the jewel thief turns out to be the Joker, but all he is in this story is a jewel thief, I have seriously fucked up. I have misunderstood what the fans love about the character, the character's interaction with Batman, the importance of the character to pop culture in general, and have failed to utilize the Joker to either his fullest extent or found a new take on him, etc. The filmmakers of 'Into Darkness' have done just that, and also had the big, brass balls (good for them there, bad for fans) to left certain scenes wholesale from that popular (most respected?) Trek film for no discernible reason, other than because it's a popular scene from said film. "Into Darkness" isn't techincally the worst Trek film, but it is by far the most insulting, and the most insulting film of the year.

So, yeah, Simon Pegg, love you and all that jazz, but maybe not open up your mouth so large next time.
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4:49PM on 08/21/2013
Most insulting film to come out in many a moon is definitely Elysium. But I understand your point.
Most insulting film to come out in many a moon is definitely Elysium. But I understand your point.
6:12PM on 08/21/2013
"Ah! He has a good point! Shun him!" Great response filmguy. Nice to see someone here in the comments who has their head out of their ass.
"Ah! He has a good point! Shun him!" Great response filmguy. Nice to see someone here in the comments who has their head out of their ass.
1:09AM on 08/22/2013
I suppose they could have had the villain be Joachim / Joaquim. Then they wouldn't have had to lie about the villain not being Kahn and everything else would have made sense.
I suppose they could have had the villain be Joachim / Joaquim. Then they wouldn't have had to lie about the villain not being Kahn and everything else would have made sense.
11:02AM on 08/22/2013
@DeeJay, I haven't had the time to see 'Elysium' yet. Not good, huh?

@Martin, a majority of the issues would have been circumvented, not all. But it would have been at least 80% better, and more in line with the 2009 film: continuing to be an alternate universe, and therefore not bound by bazillion episodes/ movies canon of original Trek. Thanks for the love!
@DeeJay, I haven't had the time to see 'Elysium' yet. Not good, huh?

@Martin, a majority of the issues would have been circumvented, not all. But it would have been at least 80% better, and more in line with the 2009 film: continuing to be an alternate universe, and therefore not bound by bazillion episodes/ movies canon of original Trek. Thanks for the love!
3:11PM on 08/21/2013
he's probably right about it being the most recent trek film and therefore the least beloved. But he can't ignore fact that Into Darkness was a watered down, boring, mish mash that was uninspired and totally ripped off wrath of khan, and not in a good way. It's not the worst, but in terms of sheer disappointment, it could be the Star Trek film that sent the franchise back to the outer fringes of relevance. Nemesis, anyone? (only $43 million in domestic box office) Into Darkness was like
he's probably right about it being the most recent trek film and therefore the least beloved. But he can't ignore fact that Into Darkness was a watered down, boring, mish mash that was uninspired and totally ripped off wrath of khan, and not in a good way. It's not the worst, but in terms of sheer disappointment, it could be the Star Trek film that sent the franchise back to the outer fringes of relevance. Nemesis, anyone? (only $43 million in domestic box office) Into Darkness was like the ugly lovechild of Khan and Nemesis that got orphaned as a kid and therefore had to grow up on the streets like a messy ragamuffin. Yeah.
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3:26PM on 08/21/2013
Normally, I find you and your reasonings to be nonsensical/ off the wall/ I am positive you are a troll (still might be trolling here), but I mostly agree with you here.
Normally, I find you and your reasonings to be nonsensical/ off the wall/ I am positive you are a troll (still might be trolling here), but I mostly agree with you here.
2:57PM on 08/21/2013
I agree with Pegg, but I'd take it a step further. Trekkies are a smaller and more...obsessive fanbase than people who like Star Wars (who can be accepted in the community as a casual fan who can't draw out a blueprint of a ship from memory). JJ made a movie for everyone. He didn't make it for them. Most of their complaints follow the lines of "The writing was awful, I mean, how could they even fight in subspace warp when clearly Roddenberry said back in Next Gen that..." which are things
I agree with Pegg, but I'd take it a step further. Trekkies are a smaller and more...obsessive fanbase than people who like Star Wars (who can be accepted in the community as a casual fan who can't draw out a blueprint of a ship from memory). JJ made a movie for everyone. He didn't make it for them. Most of their complaints follow the lines of "The writing was awful, I mean, how could they even fight in subspace warp when clearly Roddenberry said back in Next Gen that..." which are things trekkies, and only trekkies, care about. I saw a fun, exciting, emotional summer film that was deeper than most of the garbage we get from May to early September. This should have been the reigning champ, but all the immediate knee jerk reactions from hardcore fans who couldn't get past the science and the rehashing of Khan gave it such awful word of mouth, that it underperformed for the studios expectations. It just pisses me off every comment from someone who starts off saying, "as a life long Star Trek fan..." as if that makes them some expert on what makes a good movie.
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3:05PM on 08/21/2013
I am not a Trekkie and I saw a godawful, boring movie with soo many plotholes my brain almost exploded and the worse use of a pop culture iconic villain, maybe ever. Nothing about the plan makes sense. Nothing about using Khan makes sense, and a good movie, by definition, would not have plotholes you can drive 5 spaceships through. There are good aspects though, but they are lost in bad writing and uninspired direction.
I am not a Trekkie and I saw a godawful, boring movie with soo many plotholes my brain almost exploded and the worse use of a pop culture iconic villain, maybe ever. Nothing about the plan makes sense. Nothing about using Khan makes sense, and a good movie, by definition, would not have plotholes you can drive 5 spaceships through. There are good aspects though, but they are lost in bad writing and uninspired direction.
2:41PM on 08/21/2013

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2:37PM on 08/21/2013
Pegg's a reasonable kind of guy, but it's difficult to comment on something you care about without taking sides and coming off partisan. I think a lot of people are in a similar position as fans as he is as a fan - I certainly agree that the Trek reboot was worthwhile and mostly well done, and that the Star Wars prequels were a missed opportunity. I can see why some fans of classic Star Trek wouldn't like the new films - I happen to like both - but yes it's different, and that's probably for
Pegg's a reasonable kind of guy, but it's difficult to comment on something you care about without taking sides and coming off partisan. I think a lot of people are in a similar position as fans as he is as a fan - I certainly agree that the Trek reboot was worthwhile and mostly well done, and that the Star Wars prequels were a missed opportunity. I can see why some fans of classic Star Trek wouldn't like the new films - I happen to like both - but yes it's different, and that's probably for the best. Classic Trek told certain types of stories because it was a tv show born in the early sixties, and as much as it evolved over the decades it was always beholden to its roots to some extent, even when it evolved into a film franchise - it often told stories much like the tv show episodes. New Trek is a movie franchise first and foremost, so that's where its storytelling sensibilities lie. Even though it's based on a tv show, its emphasis is on the larger experience rather than the minutiae. Is Into Darkness the worst Trek movie? Not by a frickin' mile. As a Trek fan there was only one moment in that film that pissed me off, the rest was excellent.
I never really got the whole Star Wars vs Star Trek thing. They're pretty different takes on science fiction - why not enjoy both? While you're at it, watch some Babylon 5 too. The more the merrier.
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2:02PM on 08/21/2013
I just went and saw Into the Darkness in the two dollar theater and enjoyed it much more than I had expected. I'm 33 years old and Star Trek could never measured up to Star Wars, not even close. Star Trek is finally interesting. Granted the new ones aren't that deep. Just one ludicrous action sequence after another, but the acting and dialog I thought were great. The old stuff just seemed humorless.
I just went and saw Into the Darkness in the two dollar theater and enjoyed it much more than I had expected. I'm 33 years old and Star Trek could never measured up to Star Wars, not even close. Star Trek is finally interesting. Granted the new ones aren't that deep. Just one ludicrous action sequence after another, but the acting and dialog I thought were great. The old stuff just seemed humorless.
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1:59PM on 08/21/2013

I can't help but feel his knee-jerk reaction to the prequels is very similar to the reactions to Into Darkness

I agree, I think Star Trek Into Darkness is a very good movie. In fact, I prefer it to the previous film. But I think the hypocrisy is him defending a new iteration of an aged sci-fi franchise and still criticizing the Star Wars prequels. I understand his reasoning based on his comments, but I'm not sold on his objectivity and his comments towards his Trek base. I still love the guy, though.
I agree, I think Star Trek Into Darkness is a very good movie. In fact, I prefer it to the previous film. But I think the hypocrisy is him defending a new iteration of an aged sci-fi franchise and still criticizing the Star Wars prequels. I understand his reasoning based on his comments, but I'm not sold on his objectivity and his comments towards his Trek base. I still love the guy, though.
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2:21PM on 08/21/2013
Yeah but the Prequels have been out for 10+ years- I actually GREW to dislike the prequels, I liked them when they cam eout, I was stoked, but the more I saw of them the more removed from Star Wars they were.
Yeah but the Prequels have been out for 10+ years- I actually GREW to dislike the prequels, I liked them when they cam eout, I was stoked, but the more I saw of them the more removed from Star Wars they were.
1:56PM on 08/21/2013
I think there is some truth to his favorite band becomes popular analogy and that maybe its just too early to be appreciated, but when compared to his opinions on Star Wars, as a whole, I think they come off hypocritical, mostly his "Fuck you" paragraph since he seemed very respective of their opinion until that point.
I think there is some truth to his favorite band becomes popular analogy and that maybe its just too early to be appreciated, but when compared to his opinions on Star Wars, as a whole, I think they come off hypocritical, mostly his "Fuck you" paragraph since he seemed very respective of their opinion until that point.
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1:47PM on 08/21/2013

Star Trek Into Greatness!

Pegg is right on the money on all counts. Star Trek Into Darkness is a fantastic Trek installment and boldly went where no film has gone before- a remake of a sequel. In this age of rebooting/remaking classic films, its nice that someone had the balls to take another go at a sequel while honoring the original and pushing it forward. I hated that Khan died in the original sequel. The character is Kirk's Joker and deserved to been seen on screen again. The remake not only brought Khan back
Pegg is right on the money on all counts. Star Trek Into Darkness is a fantastic Trek installment and boldly went where no film has gone before- a remake of a sequel. In this age of rebooting/remaking classic films, its nice that someone had the balls to take another go at a sequel while honoring the original and pushing it forward. I hated that Khan died in the original sequel. The character is Kirk's Joker and deserved to been seen on screen again. The remake not only brought Khan back to the big screen brilliantly, but kept him alive! Major points for that.
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3:00PM on 08/21/2013
It's insulting to use Khan, because that character could have been anybody else. That's my issue. Why was Cumberbatch Khan? Solely because everyone (even non-Trek fans/ casual moviegoers) knows Khan. Then to left scenes directly from that movie solely because you can, is insultingly.

If they wanted to actually remake it, they should have done that. Instead, they went the coward's route and only did things because they were cool because it was a Star Trek sequel.
It's insulting to use Khan, because that character could have been anybody else. That's my issue. Why was Cumberbatch Khan? Solely because everyone (even non-Trek fans/ casual moviegoers) knows Khan. Then to left scenes directly from that movie solely because you can, is insultingly.

If they wanted to actually remake it, they should have done that. Instead, they went the coward's route and only did things because they were cool because it was a Star Trek sequel.
1:44PM on 08/21/2013

As far as "People worked hard on 'In To Darkness' - so it can't be a bad movie" ...

I bring you one of my favorite quotes about movies:
"Somebody killed themself making the worst piece of shit you ever saw".
Every movie is somebody's favorite and somebody's least favorite. Fucking deal with it. If you felt that the film was as good as you say, then you wouldn't have needed to say it.
That being said, I am stoked like a mofo for World's End.
I bring you one of my favorite quotes about movies:
"Somebody killed themself making the worst piece of shit you ever saw".
Every movie is somebody's favorite and somebody's least favorite. Fucking deal with it. If you felt that the film was as good as you say, then you wouldn't have needed to say it.
That being said, I am stoked like a mofo for World's End.
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2:07PM on 08/21/2013
But at the same time there is literally no such thing as "I didn't like it" anymore. Negative criticism has become personal long-winded hateful diatribes full of mud-slingings and shamings that many times have nothing to do with the actual film. Filmmakers and the like would probably feel less likely to have to defend themselves if critics (as in those who criticize, not just pro-writers) were more "I didn't like it and here's why...." instead of "You raped my childhood" bullshit.
But at the same time there is literally no such thing as "I didn't like it" anymore. Negative criticism has become personal long-winded hateful diatribes full of mud-slingings and shamings that many times have nothing to do with the actual film. Filmmakers and the like would probably feel less likely to have to defend themselves if critics (as in those who criticize, not just pro-writers) were more "I didn't like it and here's why...." instead of "You raped my childhood" bullshit.
2:57PM on 08/21/2013
@Cereal- I disagree. I think "Into Darkness" is the worst film I have seen all year (to date), and it's not directed at anyone specific person. It's insulting, it's stupid, it has soo many huge plotholes it's confusing, and it's way too long with same-y action, it gets boring. I do believe everyone tried their hardest, and the acting, especially Cumberbatch as a retardedly written character is amazing. Unfortuantely, the writers/ producers/ director/ etc. only used that certain character
@Cereal- I disagree. I think "Into Darkness" is the worst film I have seen all year (to date), and it's not directed at anyone specific person. It's insulting, it's stupid, it has soo many huge plotholes it's confusing, and it's way too long with same-y action, it gets boring. I do believe everyone tried their hardest, and the acting, especially Cumberbatch as a retardedly written character is amazing. Unfortuantely, the writers/ producers/ director/ etc. only used that certain character because of how famous he is, not because it was necessary to the story.

If I write a Batman comic, where he chases down a jewel thief, then halfway through, the jewel thief turns out to be the Joker, but all he is in this story is a jewel thief, I have seriously fucked up. I have misunderstood what the fans love about the character, the character's interaction with Batman, the importance of the character to pop culture in general, and have failed to utilize the Joker to either his fullest extent, etc. The filmmakers of 'Into Darkness' have done just that, and also had the big, brass balls (good for them there, bad for fans) to left certain scenes wholesale from that popular (most respected?) Trek film for no discernible reason, other than because it was in that film.

And I am not even a huge Trek fan. I have seen some full episodes of the original and Next Generation, but couldn't begin to tell you the mythos, history, etc, of the universe. I have seen all the movies though, because I am a huge movie buff and some are important to film/ pop culture, some are so bad they must be seen to be believed, etc.

"Into Darkness" isn't techincally the worst Trek film, but it is by far the most insulting, and the most insulting film of the year.
3:41PM on 08/21/2013
@filmguy, I don't know what this has to do with my post
@filmguy, I don't know what this has to do with my post
11:16AM on 08/22/2013
@Cereal, I was pointing out that it's quite possible to still respect all parties involved, and believe they simply created a shitty, misguided product, without mudslinging. Also, Pegg is referring to fanboys, and so your whole critic angle falls apart.
@Cereal, I was pointing out that it's quite possible to still respect all parties involved, and believe they simply created a shitty, misguided product, without mudslinging. Also, Pegg is referring to fanboys, and so your whole critic angle falls apart.
1:43PM on 08/21/2013
Also obligatory Special Effects: effects done on set- Visual Effects: effects done on a computer.
Also obligatory Special Effects: effects done on set- Visual Effects: effects done on a computer.
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1:41PM on 08/21/2013
Into Darkness doesn't suck, per-say. It's better than most movies with the exception of Pacific Rim- that came out this summer. With that said, to me, the reason why people have problems with Star Trek Into Darkness (disregarding that it's basically a "best of" Star Trek film) is that it made us question our intelligence with it's sub-standard writing. I won't list all the reasons (interplanetary transwarp beaming, Faster Than Light/Warp space battles?? Etc) - however if you have to question
Into Darkness doesn't suck, per-say. It's better than most movies with the exception of Pacific Rim- that came out this summer. With that said, to me, the reason why people have problems with Star Trek Into Darkness (disregarding that it's basically a "best of" Star Trek film) is that it made us question our intelligence with it's sub-standard writing. I won't list all the reasons (interplanetary transwarp beaming, Faster Than Light/Warp space battles?? Etc) - however if you have to question why a character made a certain decision or why a writer wrote a plot-hole, it takes you away from the immersion of the film. Which would be the reason I have for not favoring the film in it's entirety.
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1:34PM on 08/21/2013

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Pegg is the Man and I agree wholeheartedly. People were just looking for a reason to hate the new Trek and its freakin awesome! One thing people have to understand is that the new team does not have 40 plus years of back story and working together to make the movies seem better than they are because we are happy to see the characters together again.
But he is so good with the characters in the new films that I already feel like they have been making films for 20 years together.
And fuck the
Pegg is the Man and I agree wholeheartedly. People were just looking for a reason to hate the new Trek and its freakin awesome! One thing people have to understand is that the new team does not have 40 plus years of back story and working together to make the movies seem better than they are because we are happy to see the characters together again.
But he is so good with the characters in the new films that I already feel like they have been making films for 20 years together.
And fuck the Star Wars prequels!
Hopefully with Star Wars being under new management we can get back to the original ideas and feelings of the first movies with the updated effects of today, but make it about story not effects.
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1:21PM on 08/21/2013
I strongly disagree with Pegg on his reasoning on why Trekkies do not like the Abrams movies. Not to make a list or anything but a lot of us do not like the new films for specific reasons and it is truly asinine to think that we don't like them because they're popular again. Before the 2009 film, The Voyage Home was the highest grossing Trek film and none of us went "yeah, it sucks now because it's popular." I really think he shot himself in the foot with this whole ordeal and I really like
I strongly disagree with Pegg on his reasoning on why Trekkies do not like the Abrams movies. Not to make a list or anything but a lot of us do not like the new films for specific reasons and it is truly asinine to think that we don't like them because they're popular again. Before the 2009 film, The Voyage Home was the highest grossing Trek film and none of us went "yeah, it sucks now because it's popular." I really think he shot himself in the foot with this whole ordeal and I really like Simon Pegg! I think he's hilarious but saying this with complete respect for the man, I don't think he knows what he's talking about.
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1:16PM on 08/21/2013
Simon Pegg speaks the truth! I completely agree on alot of points that he made in the interview.
Simon Pegg speaks the truth! I completely agree on alot of points that he made in the interview.
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